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Ruby Annotation support
I'd like Opera to support the ruby annotation (http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/). I browse mainly Japanese websites, and some of them use the ruby annotation. The annotation degrades well, so it's not a problem. I like the simplicity of the ruby annotation, and I think Opera should support it when it's a W3C recommendation that IE6 already supports.
Opera should consider the japanese point of view more seriously.
Now it has a Nintendo DS version, more and more Japanese will download Opera for their Desktop computer too.
And <ruby> is used important for writing Japanese ふりがな.
Now it has a Nintendo DS version, more and more Japanese will download Opera for their Desktop computer too.
And <ruby> is used important for writing Japanese ふりがな.
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<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=23251">LDAP</a>
<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=148253">Antispam engine enhancements proposals</a>
<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=145786">Opera browser sync (desktop/mobile)</a>
<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=242038">Integration with social networks</a>
<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=106283">Offline page viewing</a>
<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=223542">Opera folder sync</a>
<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=109437">Opera calendar</a>
<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=159410">ENUM lookups</a>
<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=170047">Microformats</a>
<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=152871">Metalinks</a>
<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=158493">Hashcash</a>
<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=93994">Jabber</a>
<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=23251">LDAP</a>
It would seem pretty obvious to support this if you are going to be on a product that is made by a Japanese company...... +1
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Would support for simple Ruby, like the one below, be sufficient?
<ruby><rb>Base</rb><rt>annotation</rt></ruby>
It should understand the standard complex ruby as well (which is not so complex) :
<ruby><rbc><rb>熱</rb><rb>血</rb></rbc><rtc><rt>ねっ</rt><rt>けつ</rt></rtc></ruby>
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+1
If you copy the CSS from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=93043 or http://web.nickshanks.com/stylesheets/ruby.css to your user CSS file, you can get very basic support for Ruby. It's somewhat buggy, it doesn't support two sets of ruby texts like in http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/shinkansen-top-bottom.gif but it seems to at least produce legible Ruby for just one set. You might have to edit the CSS to change the font size or vertical alignment, I had to add !important after the font size for the Ruby text to force it to be smaller.
Screenshot of it in action: http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5977/bildschirmphoto1kf9.png
Question for the Opera devs, should any read this: Do you plan to add support for Ruby? There's hardly anything left of XHTML that you don't support! While the Ruby CSS3 module is a bit more complicated, I don't think the XHTML code should be overly difficult to support. It would be really great if Opera could become the first cross platform browser to support Ruby.
RADicaLMMS: It's not the only thing IE beat the other browsers to, it also supports vertical text and no other browsers do.
If you copy the CSS from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=93043 or http://web.nickshanks.com/stylesheets/ruby.css to your user CSS file, you can get very basic support for Ruby. It's somewhat buggy, it doesn't support two sets of ruby texts like in http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/shinkansen-top-bottom.gif but it seems to at least produce legible Ruby for just one set. You might have to edit the CSS to change the font size or vertical alignment, I had to add !important after the font size for the Ruby text to force it to be smaller.
Screenshot of it in action: http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5977/bildschirmphoto1kf9.png
Question for the Opera devs, should any read this: Do you plan to add support for Ruby? There's hardly anything left of XHTML that you don't support! While the Ruby CSS3 module is a bit more complicated, I don't think the XHTML code should be overly difficult to support. It would be really great if Opera could become the first cross platform browser to support Ruby.
RADicaLMMS: It's not the only thing IE beat the other browsers to, it also supports vertical text and no other browsers do.
There are some userjs (here and there) too but this should be part of Opera. It's part of IE for years and years.
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Originally posted by nikkinikki:
Ruby is both a set of (x)html elements and css rules, so both have forcefully to be implemented together.While the Ruby CSS3 module is a bit more complicated, I don't think the XHTML code should be overly difficult to support.
Then heuristics must be thought, and compared against IE to handle malformed ruby in html tag soup.
Originally posted by nikkinikki:
IE supports simple RubyIt would be really great if Opera could become the first cross platform browser to support Ruby.
For a collection of user scripts visit
http://my.opera.com/xErath/blog/
http://my.opera.com/xErath/blog/
Originally posted by xErath:
IE supports simple Ruby
And complex ruby as well (IE6 here).
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No, it only seems like IE supports it. IE treats all the rb tags as a single rb and the same for the rt tags... at least IE7 seems to treat them like that.
If you look at Hokyo or Kishu in your page, you see that the rt intended for the second kanji spans the second half of the first kanji as well. It's more noticeable in the complex ruby tests in the W3C I18N Test Suite.
If you look at Hokyo or Kishu in your page, you see that the rt intended for the second kanji spans the second half of the first kanji as well. It's more noticeable in the complex ruby tests in the W3C I18N Test Suite.
Oh yes, that's ugly! I did not open IE long enough to spot this
But again at least basic support is the minimum that Opera doesn't even provide.
That's quite a serious inconvenience for a browser that is on (japanese) Wii and on (japanese) DS, isn't it?
But again at least basic support is the minimum that Opera doesn't even provide.
That's quite a serious inconvenience for a browser that is on (japanese) Wii and on (japanese) DS, isn't it?
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At least they work in those browsers, don't they ?
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This is really a pitty when you imagine that this basis of japanese scripture only works in Internet Explorer.
Developers should open any japanese magazine to see for themselves that all the pages are covered by hundreds or ruby!
The Japanese should build up a pressure group
Developers should open any japanese magazine to see for themselves that all the pages are covered by hundreds or ruby!
The Japanese should build up a pressure group
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WebKit based browsers may be getting rudimentary ruby annotation support soon. Soon is a relative term, but at least we know there's some progress there.
Comment 5 by rolandst...@google.com, Today (5 hours ago)
The patch has been submitted to WebKit, and had to be split up in order to reduce individual patch size. Main review should hopefully start soon.
Originally posted by Ti:
What is webkit?
A rendering engine developed by apple used for browsers such as safari and chrome.
18. November 2009, 03:17:50 (edited)
It's here.
Ruby annotation support in Chrome, that is. The new versions of Chrome in dev channel (4.0.245.0+) and webkit nightlies include basic support for ruby annotation. No text spacing yet, and they only support the HTML 5 edition of ruby annotation (so complex ruby annotation support as in the XHTML 1.1 ruby module is unlikely), but they now have a native solution.
Implementation progress on the HTML5 <ruby> element via mycom journal
This also means that Safari and other webkit-based browsers will be getting ruby annotation support in the not-so-distant future. It's your turn, Opera. I hope you consider implementing it for Opera 11.
Ruby annotation support in Chrome, that is. The new versions of Chrome in dev channel (4.0.245.0+) and webkit nightlies include basic support for ruby annotation. No text spacing yet, and they only support the HTML 5 edition of ruby annotation (so complex ruby annotation support as in the XHTML 1.1 ruby module is unlikely), but they now have a native solution.
Implementation progress on the HTML5 <ruby> element via mycom journal
This also means that Safari and other webkit-based browsers will be getting ruby annotation support in the not-so-distant future. It's your turn, Opera. I hope you consider implementing it for Opera 11.
16. February 2010, 18:59:49 (edited)
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16. February 2010, 19:01:05 (edited)
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16. February 2010, 18:59:13 (edited)
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+1 once again for the poor japanese guys
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And well... now it's going to be in HTML 5. The HTML 5 version is going to be much simpler than the XHTML 1.1 Ruby module that everyone including IE ignored. Now that webkit has implemented the HTML 5 version (and IE has arguably implemented since it's pretty much the same as the draft ruby spec for HTML 4), I hope Opera will follow in their footsteps.
Hi Kai, I can't wait for HTML5 by the way ! It's just like the HTML POWAR IS COMING BACK ! (I've always downlooked at XHTML and did not use it).
But oh, please Opera do that <ruby> thing even before you do HTML5. The wait has been too long already.
Thanks to dudes like kailapis and White Lynx we actually do have a userjs solution. But it's a shame having to use a workaround in 2010 after Jesus Christ 21st century.
But oh, please Opera do that <ruby> thing even before you do HTML5. The wait has been too long already.
Thanks to dudes like kailapis and White Lynx we actually do have a userjs solution. But it's a shame having to use a workaround in 2010 after Jesus Christ 21st century.
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Hey It's incredible censorship, Moderators keep deleting all instances of the following (true) statement :
IE5 beta 2 was released in june 1998, with ruby support included.
It should really be let in this forum, what is the point of hiding this from Opera users??
(I'm also an Opera user, I still love it too all those years)
IE5 beta 2 was released in june 1998, with ruby support included.
It should really be let in this forum, what is the point of hiding this from Opera users??
(I'm also an Opera user, I still love it too all those years)
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Hi there, bad news.
I’ve tested the brand new Opera version 11.50 (1074) and I have to admit that it still has no <ruby> support of any kind.
Yet again long live to Kailapis’ HTML Ruby extension.
1998
PS. to moderators, this is not troll / spam / duplicate : I have waited for testing two new Opera versions before noticing there is still no <ruby> support (which is ancient W3C standards and therefore will eventually come into Opera, there is no doubt about this). So please don’t remove this notice.
I’ve tested the brand new Opera version 11.50 (1074) and I have to admit that it still has no <ruby> support of any kind.
Yet again long live to Kailapis’ HTML Ruby extension.
1998PS. to moderators, this is not troll / spam / duplicate : I have waited for testing two new Opera versions before noticing there is still no <ruby> support (which is ancient W3C standards and therefore will eventually come into Opera, there is no doubt about this). So please don’t remove this notice.
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+1 as always
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Still no <ruby> in 11.62.Here is a quick shortcut to the most basic simple ruby test (from W3C ruby test page new URL).
Get Kailapis’ HTML Ruby extension.
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Still no <ruby> support in Opera 12. (1467 win XP)Here is a quick shortcut to the most basic simple ruby test (from W3C ruby test page new URL).
Get Kailapis’ HTML Ruby extension.
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+1 (Better late than never, right? )
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