Why do young British males keep stabbing each other?

Why do young British males keep stabbing each other?

Please see link below:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Bolton-Stabbing-Teen-Charged-With-Murder-Of-Cody-Turner-in-Tonge-Moor/Article/201004415619461?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_15619461_Bolton_Stabbing%3A_Teen_Charged_With_Murder_Of_Cody_Turner_in_Tonge_Moor

This seems like a weekly occurance now in the tiny tiny island of Great Britain. Its more often than not in England.
I speak from the perspective of one who has not always been a model citizen, but this situation is getting ridiculous.

Why are people stabbing each other for no apparent reason? Do the moronic perpetrators actually believe that its the same as punching someone. I'm lost for words!!!

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

Why are people stabbing each other for no apparent reason?

Because they don't have guns to shoot each other

Glasgow had the highest rate of any city in western Europe, including Belfast, Madrid, Paris, London, Amsterdam and Dublin.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1331201/posts

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The number of murders in Glasgow is far higher than in my beloved Grand Rapids....and I mean far higher. And we have guns to do it more efficiently.

You can only stab one at a time, so you have to do it more often. In the States, the scumbags have weapons with a high rate of fire, so you can take out more victims faster.

The number of murders in Glasgow is far higher than in my beloved Grand Rapids....and I mean far higher. And we have guns to do it more efficiently.

I shot a Glock 9mm, and an AK47 at a rifle range in Las Vegas. That was my first and possibly last contact with guns. I can't really imagine blowing anyones head off and i certainly can't imagine stabbing anyone, for little or no reason. The Glock was weird. Like a toy gun.
I really do think that the little rudeboys who stab people actually think that its not that dangerous.

I have only fired air guns.

I've fired a .22 rifle, it was on a farm and we were aiming at a can. Plenty of room and the assurance that nobody was downrange so it was about as safe as it could be when an uncle is insisting that the kids take turns firing the gun.

Troy, I'm afraid I have to agree with other here, the kids in the UK are stabbing each other because they don't have guns. In Chicago, they do have guns and cars. The combination results in the drive-by shooting, and that seems to result in babies, old ladies, dogs, cats and assorted vagrants getting killed while the intended target doesn't even realise somebody's shooting until he sees bodies falling around him. Stabbing would be better, that way only the intended target gets killed.

Note for those who say "Take away the guns...."; just this weekend we had a savage beating take place on the Near North Side of the city. The assailant used an aluminum baseball bat to beat his victims unconscious so he could rob them. You may have read about it in the news, one of the victims was from Northern Ireland, the other person was her friend that she was visiting here. We'd better register aluminum baseball bats and make sure they don't fall into the hands of criminals.........

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

Why are people stabbing each other for no apparent reason? Do the moronic perpetrators actually believe that its the same as punching someone.

The greatest incitement to crime is the hope of sinning with impunity. (Roman) ...

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

I'm lost for words!!!

me too

An idle mind is the devil's playground.

We really need to pray for them. I think it's possession!

you are damn right thabo...we need to pray for those poeple who dont consider killing as evil.

London is becoming a playground for young murderers.

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

...Why are people stabbing each other for no apparent reason? Do the moronic perpetrators actually believe that its the same as punching someone. I'm lost for words!!!

I reckon you've almost hit the nail on the head there Troy. In my experience those who carry a weapon want to punch you but aren't ready to be punched back.
When it comes to a fist fight, everybody's got their tools to hand, but when you've got a weapon drawn you can be confident that even an armed adversary won't be able to reach for their weapon fast enough to defend themselves.

Perhaps it comes down to cowardice and pride. Maybe they're cowards afraid of getting hurt or afraid of losing face. Maybe they just value their pride over other's lives.

And what's the solution? How do you teach anyone that it's okay not to be top dog, that you can lose and not be thought badly of? Put Rocky on the National Curriculum? My initial reaction is to say let kids fight more: literally and figuratively. Games, sport, ranked academia, and good old fashioned duking it out. The more you fight, the more chances you've got to win. And maybe if someone's a winner in some sense then they won't feel that desperation to establish themselves through brutality; but I know from bitter experience that there's always an element that just can't take losing.

the fact is that those youngsters are frustated.hmmm,maybe because of the rising unemployment quotient,care-free attitudes of parents and psychological depression. Someone need to exhume the body of Dr.Luther king;he stil have unfinished script on non-violence to preach

Originally posted by keloda:

the fact is that those youngsters are frustated.hmmm,maybe because of the rising unemployment quotient,care-free attitudes of parents and psychological depression. Someone need to exhume the body of Dr.Luther king;he stil have unfinished script on non-violence to preach

Knife crime appears to have become epidemic only in the last decade. Either reporting on it has changed or else it's only recently become in vogue. It seems fair then to suggest that it is symptomatic of a change that has happened recently.
Unemployment is spiking at the moment, but it comes and goes. Depression is nothing new either. Maybe parental attitudes are to blame. But I wouldn't limit the investigation to care-free parents when it could equally be indicative of overbearing parents and those whose expectations far exceed their child's abilities.

I don't think exhuming Dr. King would help. He's dead. They didn't just bury him to shut him up.

Originally posted by WastedCharlie:

I know from bitter experience that there's always an element that just can't take losing.

I think some of the kids are just plain scared shitless.. My own boys were state level wrestlers where you wrestle until you loose. They would never think of packing however it is a very bad climate out there right now,. Most sports like boxing and wrestling are not even allowed in some schools. and the libbies are out to get rid of these.

You cant pin knife crime down to one problem. Some of the time it is an isolated situation (extreme bullying). Some time it is because of gangs. I think alot of it happens because people aren't allowed to vent all their built up anger and frustration.

Originally posted by Denny77:

I think some of the kids are just plain scared shitless.. My own boys were state level wrestlers where you wrestle until you loose. They would never think of packing however it is a very bad climate out there right now,. Most sports like boxing and wrestling are not even allowed in some schools. and the libbies are out to get rid of these.

Bloody libbies
I can see the point of schools not pushing heavy contact sports in their facility, but I think they ought to be allowed there. If they were mandatory, I'd have an objection, but a lot of kids like to get physical and I say have at it. I don't know much about wrestling but we had a boxing club where I grew up. I'm not much of a boxer, but I'm glad I had the chance to find that out. There's a lot of lessons to be learned at the ring. Some folk reckon that boxing is just throwing punches at each other, but they forget the other side : Walking into a ring knowing you're going to get pummelled and that the only way out is to fight better. It takes guts.

So Denny, what sort of lessons do you reckon your boys learned from wrestling? Do you think it helped them to become guys who would never think of packing?

On any side we look at it,if these hardened-hearted dudes keep displaying such excess juvenile extremity,they certainly gotta catch a sooorrreeee as* most certainly behind stinky cells or staring on the earth with their neck inbetween the knots of the hangman rope.

Originally posted by WastedCharlie:

I'm not much of a boxer, but I'm glad I had the chance to find that out. There's a lot of lessons to be learned at the ring.

I boxed 4 smokers in the service all I learned is don't box with someone who knows what they are doing especially someone who has boxed at pro level. I also slap boxed a heavyweight golden gloves runner up from Boston. he did outweigh me by a lot and he did in fact bruise the shit out of me. luckily he was a good friend.

I think my boys wouldn't pack or use drugs etc as I would have abused them. Now one is 6'5" goes about 260 lbs and one is 6' 1 goes about 185 lbs and they both are bigger, taller and probably tougher than the old man, They would not think of talking back.,ignore yes, talk back no. besides their ma.... taught them well.

No doubt wrestling and boxing teach certain things that are only learned the hard way into days society... Athletic teach these.

Edit: The biggest stat over here, for problems, is single mothers or long gone dads

Stabbings and the accompanying media hoo-hah usually goes in cycles, normally they just do a knife amnesty and they all go back to thinking of other things for a while.
Bring back national service and put the injection into girls as they start a period for not to have babies until they are either married stable in job (what jobs ) so never ending .Basicaly call the girl up for national service too they always want equality .Better still dress them in purda and no one will want to look what you all think .I did national service and it was good .I turned out brilliant i am now a Juggalo own my own home got a good income and i work and pay my bills i also sing dance and play a instrument and i also carry a baton for protection .So i must be bad .

Stabbings and the accompanying media hoo-hah usually goes in cycles, normally they just do a knife amnesty and they all go back to thinking of other things for a while.
Bring back national service and put the injection into girls as they start a period for not to have babies until they are either married stable in job (what jobs ) so never ending .Basicaly call the girl up for national service too they always want equality .Better still dress them in purda and no one will want to look what you all think .I did national service and it was good .I turned out brilliant i am now a Juggalo own my own home got a good income and i work and pay my bills i also sing dance and play a instrument and i also carry a baton for protection .So i must be bad .

I was talking to a Spanish girl the other night on Messenger who i met on a dating site. She lives in the same town as me but her English is pretty bad though her looks made me try that little bit harder. I am again, lost for words. I'm sure most of the people on here are 'nice', though i'm not sure they actually know what they're writing.

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

Stabbings and the accompanying media hoo-hah usually goes in cycles, normally they just do a knife amnesty and they all go back to thinking of other things for a while.
Bring back national service and put the injection into girls as they start a period for not to have babies until they are either married stable in job (what jobs ) so never ending .Basicaly call the girl up for national service too they always want equality .Better still dress them in purda and no one will want to look what you all think .I did national service and it was good .I turned out brilliant i am now a Juggalo own my own home got a good income and i work and pay my bills i also sing dance and play a instrument and i also carry a baton for protection .So i must be bad .

I was talking to a Spanish girl the other night on Messenger who i met on a dating site. She lives in the same town as me but her English is pretty bad though her looks made me try that little bit harder. I am again, lost for words. I'm sure most of the people on here are 'nice', though i'm not sure they actually know what they're writing.

getting at me troy concidering your words of me was utterly discusting once thread got deleted did it not ( but then you did not know what you was writing

getting at me troy concidering your words of me was utterly discusting once thread got deleted did it not ( but then you did not know what you was writing

yes quite.

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

getting at me troy concidering your words of me was utterly discusting once thread got deleted did it not ( but then you did not know what you was writing

yes quite.

i don't know who anyone is anymore. could be cocoa butter.could be anyone. random sockpuppetness. could be a greenland person. hold on doesn't greenland owe us loads of money.no thats iceland. stop. carry on. lol

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

i don't know who anyone is anymore. could be cocoa butter.could be anyone. random sockpuppetness. could be a greenland person. hold on doesn't greenland owe us loads of money.no thats iceland. stop. carry on. lol

Maybe i am the spanish girl troy but other than that your so cold .

ah well. i suppose it keeps me guessing. the spanish girl would be great but her english is really bad. she is pretty though. even if i were to coax her out on a date, whats the point? it all gets lost in translation.
nice face and big breasts versus limited conversation and possible awkward moments. its a tough one.
i sleep soundly with the knowledge that she will never read this. hopefully.

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

ah well. i suppose it keeps me guessing. the spanish girl would be great but her english is really bad. she is pretty though. even if i were to coax her out on a date, whats the point? it all gets lost in translation.
nice face and big breasts versus limited conversation and possible awkward moments. its a tough one.
i sleep soundly with the knowledge that she will never read this. hopefully.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

Why are people stabbing each other for no apparent reason?

Because they don't have guns to shoot each other

That's exactly what I was about to post.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

Why are people stabbing each other for no apparent reason?

Because they don't have guns to shoot each other

That's exactly what I was about to post.

you sure about that go to nottingham and brummy land birmingham i can pic some hotspots out for yah

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

and possible awkward moments.

There is only one thing to do when the conversation runs dry, and the quicker it runs dry, the better!

Then eventually you´ll learn some Spanish. And after a while wish you hadn´t. Just find out the Spanish for "Nag, nag, nag" and you´re sorted

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

ou sure about that go to nottingham and brummy land birmingham i can pic some hotspots out for yah

Yes but are they "British males"?

Originally posted by Acorn15:

Yes but are they "British males"?

they can still be 'British females' As a theme of fact,females stab better than the males..

Originally posted by keloda:

they can still be 'British females' As a theme of fact,females stab better than the males..

I think what he really wants to say is 'are they white'....

Originally posted by garydenness:

Originally posted by keloda:

they can still be 'British females' As a theme of fact,females stab better than the males..

I think what he really wants to say is 'are they white'....

Aw! I waz faster than my sh*d*w.

Why are so many of these London incidents from minority backgrounds?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Why are so many of these London incidents from minority backgrounds?

That's because the majority backgrounds are lily-livered(weaklings) therefore the brave-hearted minority rain the consequency of a societal division on the weaky-jelly red punks

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Why are so many of these London incidents from minority backgrounds?

Good question Mr Howie! Can you think of an answer - one that is free of prejudice? Can you identify all the minority backgrounds?

Originally posted by Denny77:

The biggest stat over here, for problems, is single mothers or long gone dads

And extremely good graphic in the video games.

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

I can't really imagine blowing anyones head off

The military tried to teach us to focus on silhouettes.. It don't work.

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

Why do young British males keep stabbing each other?

Because they are British?

Well I do wish there was a definitive answer to this garydenness to be direct. It is as puzzling as to why so many of may fellow Scots cannot see beyond Labour but I digress. It seems odd that you can have children from different ethnic or indigenous backgrounds all starting school at the same time but some traditions consistently not getting to the mark. There must be something deeply inherited from backgrounds that needs indepth looking at without the usual scream of the idiot class of racism. Time and time again there is a disproportionate number of Afro and Caribbean involvement even when they have the same starting chance as their neighbours.

The comment from keloda kind of gives the attitude of many of these young coloured men in London. A might shoulder chip. It might be his way of trying to be funny but in reality shows something of the kindred spirit that he finds it amusing that his compatriots go around stabbing and shooting each other (and occasionally anyone who gets in the road). Typically we always get excuses from he chattering liberal minds sitting comfortably in their drawing rooms mumbling about the lack of fathers or equal lack of role models. A load of bull when you see entertainers, politicians and business people from the non-indignous people who have worked and made their mark. Maybe simple minds like keloda might exercise a bit more concern for his compatriots and some more curiosity rather than bigotry?

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

Why do young British males keep stabbing each other?

Because they are British?

Partly.
Actually they are lazy. They would much rather stab a Portuguese but the long swim is a bit daunting.

Originally posted by OnetimePoster:

Partly.

Actually they are lazy. They would much rather stab a Portuguese but the long swim is a bit daunting.

There are places so so much far.. I think they used to send criminals for there.

We always had gladly stabbed ourselves. And we don't complain, in fact we like it. But just for passionate issues.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

It seems odd that you can have children from different ethnic or indigenous backgrounds all starting school at the same time but some traditions consistently not getting to the mark. Time and time again there is a disproportionate number of Afro and Caribbean involvement even when they have the same starting chance as their neighbours.

I like the fact that you have identified an equal starting point for the different ethnic groups as being useful in assessing the issue.

But do they have equal starting points? No. You see, it's not accurate to simply state that youths of African and Afro Caribbean descent are responsible for (and victims of) a disproportionate amount of knife, and gun, crime in London. Firstly, because Asians (of descent) are also usually included in these stats. Indians too, not just Pakistanis.

The accurate statement is something a little more like "youths of Asian, African and Afro Caribbean descent from economically and socially deprived backgrounds are responsible for (and victims of) a disproportionate amount of knife, and gun, crime in London"

This suggests that Asian, African and Afro Caribbean youths who live in areas which are not considered deprived are not running around stabbing each other.

What do you make of that? It does seem to suggest one line of thought you've suggested.....

Originally posted by rjhowie:

....There must be something deeply inherited from backgrounds that needs indepth looking at....

....is far from the truth.

Which suggests that prejudice is at the heart of that argument, and as a result, by using such an argument, you are open to....

Originally posted by rjhowie:

ut the usual scream of ... racism.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Typically we always get excuses

mr. Howie,Britain has failed in it's attempt to maintain a society of tranquility. Stop hauling your blame on innocent blacks and other minority. Your society is divided and you've got to work hard to get that fixed.stop giving excuses and take the bull by the horn!!

Innocent blacks and other minorities? How naive can you people be over there?

For your information oh ignorant one 18% of our jail population is black and brown that is approaching almost 1 in 5 in case you can't work it out. It is not us picking on them but them on damn well us! They flood in here and we don't charge them any City Tax for a year or two, give them houses, all the things they need like fridges, cookers, and so on. Excellent Welfare benefits having contributed sweet Fanny Adams to the system. Free bus passes and God knows what and we are picking on them? Even the credit card etc fraud is sewn up by people from another country. Of the list of police most wanted case you should see the number of brown and black faces on the list. Yeah we are picking on you. It sosts us tens of millions just in translation services. Yeah, picking. The ones I meet all speak brilliant English and we have well clothed them too. No-one can fault people for wanting to improve their impoverished lot in their old countries but we are a small island and we cannot take everyone so get real. The majority of the youth murders in London are by young blacks and always we have excuses as to why they are ignorant after years of education. What can't be claimed on Welfare can be got by crime.

On top of your sheer damn ignorance of things here you have the sheer gall coming from a country split in two north and south, bloodshed and massacres, an indolent political hierarchy, corruption and widespread poverty when you have oil and you come on here slagging us off about being unfair? Cue for a hollow laugh not a belly laugh because you are being serious and that is the utter stupidity of the case. I still want my country back!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

For your information oh ignorant one 18% of our jail population is black and brown that is approaching almost 1 in 5 in case you can't work it out.

Oh Mr Howie, we were just making some progress, and then you go all frothy at the mouth and launch into yet another misinformed rabid rant.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

It is not us picking on them but them on damn well us!

Us and them, huh. I see one of your problems right there. Its a social problem too. Are you sure it's them picking on us? Who 'started it'? Shame you didn't bother to follow through with the 'social deprivation' idea I put to you.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

They flood in here and we don't charge them any City Tax for a year or two, give them houses, all the things they need like fridges, cookers, and so on. Excellent Welfare benefits having contributed sweet Fanny Adams to the system.

Illegal immigrants do not get benefits Mr Howie. Legal immigrants do not get benefits for years either, Mr Howie. No fridge freezers and so on either.

You're making stuff up again.

(Or have you simply lumped all types of immigrant together again, and gotten asylum seekers confused with other immigrants? Again?)

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Of the list of police most wanted case you should see the number of brown and black faces on the list.

Just in case you later become perplexed as to why you should be accused of racism, the above in the context of your post serves as one of many examples. You talk of immigrants and blacks and browns in prison, and never separate the two. Thats because as far as you are concerned there is no separation. It's all 'us and them'.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The majority of the youth murders in London are by young blacks and always we have excuses as to why they are ignorant after years of education.

What's your excuse for your ignorance after years of education?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I still want my country back!

It's not your country. It never was, it never will be. It is a piece of land shared by many communities of people, as it has always been.

You can't handle change, of any sort, good or bad - thats your problem.

Thank you garydeness. I think-i really mean think!-mr.rj will grab some chunks of info and wits from your post. That is if he isn't a hardened devil advocate who portrays an undying picture of a wise-acre

Just shows the simplicity of the African mind there maybe keloda that you have to fall back on the emigre in Mexico. He is a mighty big man with is students in a country like that but nothing here back home I am afraid.

While you are feeling encouraged by him I would continue to advise you that every day not that far from me I continually see fokk from your ilk living in free housing with all the facilities I state. They not all only get houses, free tax for a year or tow but clothing and all the things the rest of us have to work and save for and we are the taxpayers. Well dressed, mobile phones, free bus passes, speak English. Obvious they are all economic migrants. Here in the Scotland part of the Kingdom we have had nearly 50,000 dumped on us in the last year alone and we are a small country with not a lot of lving space once you take the uplands and mountains away. You might feel buoyed by garydenness's diatribe to give you a boost but his view is not typical of the man in the street who has had enough of his country's hospitality misused by people from just about everywhere.

Immigration costs us big, big, money and we are now probably the most overcrowded country in Europe because of our bountiful generosity. Add to that the countless tens of millions of pounds we send to Africa when we are having an economical disaster and the levl of ridiculousness in Mexico man's rant is apparent. He might impress you a man from a country in the Third World but hey use him because there aare millions more here in Gt Britain that will identify more with me than him. Immigrants do contribute markedly to our crime statistics and as I say 18% are from that community. That you have him in your corner is sadly not a real help at all. He no doubt likes being in lesser places because there he will be a something rather than just another Joe in GB that no-one would notice or pay a blind attention to. Judging by the level of contributions we are getting here from your constituency over there you do in fairness need someone of depth and a help. Your choice has not been wise but use him if feeling a tad desperate to cope with me. He aotomatically diatribes against anything I say and as you are grubbing about looking for support being used. I may disagree with you but I now do feel a sense of sorrow for you.

Bunch of fibs and hocus-pocus.MR. Howie:"THE ONLY INFORMED MAN IN MODERN EUROPE"huh? Kind of being pedagogic,huh?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

He is a mighty big man with is students in a country like that but nothing here back home I am afraid.

Unlike yourself, who is nothing everywhere. Except in your own mind. Thankfully.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I continually see fokk from your ilk

Do you care to expand on exactly who 'folk from his ilk' are? A little more description? Is that too much to ask?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

They not all only get houses, free tax for a year or tow but clothing and all the things the rest of us have to work and save for and we are the taxpayers. Well dressed, mobile phones, free bus passes, speak English.

Who exactly? Legal immigrants? Illegal immigrants? Asylum seekers? You clearly say 'all'. I think you are lying. I'll wager you cannot provide a link to a reputable site that says any such thing.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You might feel buoyed by garydenness's diatribe to give you a boost but his view is not typical of the man in the street who has had enough of his country's hospitality misused by people from just about everywhere.

And yet you cannot actually pinpoint any error in my posts. Which are responses. Not diatribe. Diatribe is your speciality Mr Howie.

So, which points that I have made do you feel to be particularly questionable Mr Howie, and why? If you are capable of sensible, intelligent and supportable discourse, do feel free to take part!

So far, all you've managed to produce in response is this:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

and the levl of ridiculousness in Mexico man's rant is apparent

Originally posted by rjhowie:

to fall back on the emigre in Mexico

Originally posted by rjhowie:

by garydenness's diatribe

Originally posted by rjhowie:

He no doubt likes being in lesser places

Originally posted by rjhowie:

but use him if feeling a tad desperate

Originally posted by rjhowie:

He aotomatically diatribes

No very intelligent, huh? Not a very convincing rebuttal of my points either, eh? More like a long winded, poorly written and childish personal attack.

Q: Why do young British males keep stabbing each other?
A: They can't get to the politicians.

Yeah, yeah garydenness. Anyone who has the gall to criticise you or not be party to your lib know-it-all arrogance is personal. The danger is that with your much vaunted education and teaching in a poorer country where the hoi-polloi will be awed by the foreigner you have slipped into that sanctimonious stance you have of dismissing people by trying as always to negate or try to demean them. The one thing I will give you in fairness to you is that you are very, very consistent. That can never be taken away from you. In case you get carried away and don't understand it wasn't a compliment.

In the real Britain we still have an army of illegals flooding in here. Rumanians for example run the credit frauds, Africans and Asian incomers adding well into drug gangs (especially the North were Asian Muslims are the drug champs) and as I pointed out nearly a fifth of jail incumbents are foreign. In the capital which is increasingly looking like a foreign city these days blacks play a too high proportion of the criminality and shooting/stabbings especially amongst the young. Hell you would think I made them do it and maybe you will get round to that when you cannot think of anything definitive to answer these threats and dangers.But none of that matters garydenness is too preoccupied with how something is written (though I don't see you tut-tutting at those from across in the dark continent who often give us pigeon English). You prefer mundane fig-leaves for ignoring or even admitting what is going on. They are a financial drain on our country nationally and we could save a fortune in the prison service if we had 18% less inmates.

But oops there again I am making it all up so that's okay then.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Glasgow had the highest rate of any city in western Europe, including Belfast, Madrid, Paris, London, Amsterdam and Dublin.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1331201/posts

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The number of murders in Glasgow is far higher than in my beloved Grand Rapids....and I mean far higher. And we have guns to do it more efficiently.

There were 125 incidents which resulted in killings in 2002 40 of them in Glasgow alone and 127 people died as a result.

"But kind of a lax week in L.A."

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Anyone who has the gall to criticise you or not be party to your lib know-it-all arrogance is personal.

No. Anyone who posts all the nonsense I quoted is 'personal'.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

where the hoi-polloi will be awed by the foreigner

You seem fixated on this idea. You really never have travelled anywhere adventurous at all have you? You've so much to learn and so little time to do it in. Don't delay! I'll give you a hint. Despite your suggestions to the contrary, us humans are all pretty much the same upstairs. It's only you who see the non existent differences. There's a huge difference between curiosity and awe. Not just the spelling.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

ut none of that matters garydenness is too preoccupied with how something is written (though I don't see you tut-tutting at those from across in the dark continent who often give us pigeon English)

Those from the 'dark continent' don't spend all day criticising other peoples spelling. Does having your rather limited grasp of the English language pointed out to you upset you? Obviously so. Perhaps you shouldn't spend so much time doing it to others. You are the biggest offender here.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You prefer mundane fig-leaves for ignoring or even admitting what is going on.

Oh I know what's going on. And I do have reservations about various policies. Some policies I'm even opposed to.

Don't confuse my contempt for your prejudice with ignorance for the immigration situation in the UK. And until you can tell the difference between an asylum seeker, an illegal immigrant, a legal immigrant and ethnic minorities, perhaps you shouldn't comment on the subject at all. Full stop.

Before reading anything: my first response:
Because that is something that young males do. If it's to change, it'll take a few hundred generations to work the genes out. Maybe more.

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

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I really do think that the little rudeboys who stab people actually think that its not that dangerous.

Hmmm... Dang. Was it like that when carrying a sword was common? Or did they understand the danger much better than the youth of today?

Maybe it's not that the danger is not understood. Maybe what is lacking is not understanding, but caring. "Of course there might be pain to me: definitely to one of us: maybe death: and why should I care?"

Originally posted by Denny77:

Most sports like boxing and wrestling are not even allowed in some schools. and the libbies are out to get rid of these.

I wouldn't call those who want to get red of them "liberals". And if they call themselves that they're abusing the language. Not all pacifists are liberals, and not all liberals pacifists... or whatever... they're separate features.

Vicious competition in games is fun: chess, Magic, go, scrabble...

Originally posted by MAXXTHRUST:

Originally posted by Denny77:

The biggest stat over here, for problems, is...

And extremely good graphic in the video games.

Originally posted by aefields:

I wouldn't call those who want to get red of them "liberals"

How about "Red Liberals"

I have my own name or names for them.

My sons,who wrestled, also are excellent chess players. I suppose you in your infinite wisdom would or could not imagine.

Because that is something that young males do. If it's to change, it'll take a few hundred generations to work the genes out. Maybe more.

I know theres a lot of testosterone floating about amongst the 20 something males.
But this phenomenom of the young getting stabbed frequently for no good reason(if there could be a good reason), is a new one.
I think its a mixture of no schooling, no hope of a job, no hope of anything, so they try to be the best plastic gangster they can. I don't think they've quite worked out that a proper gangster would have shot you or knocked you out before you had time to get your knife out. They've watched too many films and smoked too much skunk, and their mums think their normal. And they most definately are not. Fucking menace.

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

and their mums think their normal.

Yeah right,
Ever asked about the opinion of their dads (if available)?

Something goes wrong with a child, blame the mother's poor judgement.

In Barcelona, Catalonia, stabbing is normally young latinos thing. A LOT of immigrations here. And a lot of these young latinos didn't want to come to live here. Various white boys has been killed. They don't use to bring knifes with them. Knife's are latinos and north-african things culture.

Yeah right, Ever asked about the opinion of their dads (if available)? Something goes wrong with a child, blame the mother's poor judgement.

I suppose you're right. I'll rephrase that then.
Hut hum...

And their parents think their normal.

Originally posted by Denny77:

Originally posted by aefields:

I wouldn't call those who want to get red of them "liberals"

How about "Red Liberals"

I have my own name or names for them.

My sons,who wrestled, also are excellent chess players. I suppose you in your infinite wisdom would or could not imagine.

I think what aefields is saying is that the word Liberal has been distorted in modern English to mean whining flim flammers where in fact that label belongs to The Democratic Party

Also sticking up for the Reds for a moment though, no one loves a good fight like the communists. There's a reason they held power in Russia for so long. And check out Oleg Malyshkin. He's a former professional boxer that stood as a candidate for Russian President in the 2004 election, and he represents the Liberal Democratic Party.



Plus, if there's anyone out there who hasn't heard of this already, have a look at Chess Boxing! I'm sure Chess Wrestling will be a reality soon enough.

Originally posted by keloda:

the fact is that those youngsters are frustated.hmmm,maybe because of the rising unemployment quotient,care-free attitudes of parents and psychological depression. Someone need to exhume the body of Dr.Luther king;he stil have unfinished script on non-violence to preach

yes, i agree wit u

The Afro-Carribean community especially in London - which is now but lost to the indigenous English have a high proportion of young males involved in crime and the murder mayhem going on there. Most don't have any father. They had their fun and beat it off leaving awry youngsters to grow up astray.

Answering the question by dudging the facts of societal division(mainly religious),frustration caused by the staggering English economy and parental negligence.Stop lurking behind afro-carribeanism in your attempt to elude from the shame embeded in your failure to create a tranquil society!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The Afro-Carribean community especially in London - which is now but lost to the indigenous English

Have you ever actually been to London? In this century? It's a fabulous place! Diverse, buzzing and alive with language, culture, food and thought!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Most don't have any father.

Are you suggesting that this may have something to do with crime patterns? And not an inherited crime gene after all?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The Afro-Carribean community especially in London - which is now but lost to the indigenous English have a high proportion of young males involved in crime and the murder mayhem going on there. Most don't have any father. They had their fun and beat it off leaving awry youngsters to grow up astray.

Goodness! Makes me appreciate Grand Rapids, the cultural hub of western Michigan.

Do they have mothers?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The Afro-Carribean community especially in London - which is now but lost to the indigenous English have a high proportion of young males involved in crime and the murder mayhem going on there. Most don't have any father. They had their fun and beat it off leaving awry youngsters to grow up astray.

Goodness! Makes me appreciate Grand Rapids, the cultural hub of western Michigan.

Do they have mothers?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The Afro-Carribean community especially in London - which is now but lost to the indigenous English have a high proportion of young males involved in crime and the murder mayhem going on there. Most don't have any father. They had their fun and beat it off leaving awry youngsters to grow up astray.

go and grow a beard stupid fool ,i did not have a father silly moo Did not turn out like a twat like some have care not to mention
PEACE:spock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMwdpKTwfYo&feature=related

Has anybody seen Jaybro lately. Not just the young, The damn world is going to hell, where are the cops when you need them. This guy hit two more banks in Rochester this week.

edit: dragging his oxygen tank. Thank God for health care.

Originally posted by Acorn15:

Q: Why do young British males keep stabbing each other?

Cos dey is not as smart as old Brits lyk me.

Originally posted by Denny77:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMwdpKTwfYo&feature=related

Has anybody seen Jaybro lately. Not just the young, The damn world is going to hell, where are the cops when you need them. This guy hit two more banks in Rochester this week.

edit: dragging his oxygen tank. Thank God for health care.

he was on time square last time i looked shouting out bomb in car in disguise as the street vendour

I think the cold may be effecting your grey cells up there in the far north Juggalo1. Shows how much you know and a tad too soon at throwing the 'fool' word about. That particular minority does have a missing father problem and does contribute anti-social behaviour out of relation to numbers. Of course there are single parent children who grow up fine but you are being rather silly in ignoring the fact that with so many missing fathers and poor educational skills they are ripe for the problem I raise. You might not appreciate it but using your situation to wave it away is more than damn silly. I tell you what. Take them up there in you wee corer of the world and relive us of the situation. Nah, maybe not then we would get the indigenous population coming here. Fair swop I reckon?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I think the cold may be effecting your grey cells up there in the far north Juggalo1. Shows how much you know and a tad too soon at throwing the 'fool' word about. That particular minority does have a missing father problem and does contribute anti-social behaviour out of relation to numbers. Of course there are single parent children who grow up fine but you are being rather silly in ignoring the fact that with so many missing fathers and poor educational skills they are ripe for the problem I raise. You might not appreciate it but using your situation to wave it away is more than damn silly. I tell you what. Take them up there in you wee corer of the world and relive us of the situation. Nah, maybe not then we would get the indigenous population coming here. Fair swop I reckon?

pent-up anger,frustration

Originally posted by keloda:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I think the cold may be effecting your grey cells up there in the far north Juggalo1. Shows how much you know and a tad too soon at throwing the 'fool' word about. That particular minority does have a missing father problem and does contribute anti-social behaviour out of relation to numbers. Of course there are single parent children who grow up fine but you are being rather silly in ignoring the fact that with so many missing fathers and poor educational skills they are ripe for the problem I raise. You might not appreciate it but using your situation to wave it away is more than damn silly. I tell you what. Take them up there in you wee corer of the world and relive us of the situation. Nah, maybe not then we would get the indigenous population coming here. Fair swop I reckon?

pent-up anger,frustration

At times he has common sense and this is one of these times. It seems to be lacking by some.

notice I did say at times.

Why do young british males keep stabbing each other?

Because they want to imitate King Shaka, one of great Africa warrior king. Or else they are gangster wanna be's. Somehow they are bored out of their skull!

Yep they may want to be gangsters and be bored as they seem inherently incapable of taking in education or learning. They probably don't know their own history Thabotizz and with the level of many would probably think he is one of those pointless and waster rapsters. Might be a background thing deep in the psyche? We spend millions on schools and they still leave thick.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

incapable of taking in education or learning

You must focus your efforts then, not willy nilly killings. I left thick......not much improvement .... but you must focus your efforts even a psychopath can gain respect.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Yep they may want to be gangsters and be bored as they seem inherently incapable of taking in education or learning. They probably don't know their own history Thabotizz and with the level of many would probably think he is one of those pointless and waster rapsters. Might be a background thing deep in the psyche? We spend millions on schools and they still leave thick.

You're frothing at the mouth again RJ.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I think the cold may be effecting your grey cells up there in the far north Juggalo1. Shows how much you know and a tad too soon at throwing the 'fool' word about. That particular minority does have a missing father problem and does contribute anti-social behaviour out of relation to numbers. Of course there are single parent children who grow up fine but you are being rather silly in ignoring the fact that with so many missing fathers and poor educational skills they are ripe for the problem I raise. You might not appreciate it but using your situation to wave it away is more than damn silly. I tell you what. Take them up there in you wee corer of the world and relive us of the situation. Nah, maybe not then we would get the indigenous population coming here. Fair swop I reckon?

You have a seriously a problem ok .I think you need to rethink what you say i know many bought up in a father and mother marriage and turned out to be Shites low life loosers and dossers ok ,i can assure you you are singling single parents out this is not good ok ,I grew up with out a father i suppose you want to tarnish his name ,For your information RJHOWIE i know more than i care to let on i may even know something that you may get to know 3weeks from now are you white man and old and scottish if so it does not susprise me why you think like you do .Too much of the orange in you .
:clown:

What you gonna do when they come for you...

For the benefit of Juggalo1 as primary school is a limited education 85% of those on the national DNA database are young coloured men. And before you jump this is based not on stop and search but where there is investigation ongoing re a crime. Maybe you could try and explain that away? I think you are too inclined to go bananas and the content of your spleen and words displays this. Had you used your eyes on these Forums you would have noted that I have not stated that being a one-parent child means a criminal but what I have said is that particular groups in our society have a bigger problem with that regard and they grow up with an imbalanced life. Personally I would prefer the statistic I mewntionn was not so as the less anti-social and criminal behaviour from anyone (note) is a blessing on society. We cannot simply ignore the reality because it is not popularor offends someone.

If you don't understand this general view wait until the bell and get off the playground!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Maybe you could try and explain that away?

Seeing as you've made the allegation, perhaps you should try and explain 'why'? In a full and coherent matter.

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:dies:

Died yet?

Meantime I knew it would be a quick entry reply from Me-hee-co! Cannot resist can he?

Try the report of the Human Genetics Commission.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Cannot resist can he?

Always a pleasure to correct your posts, point out your errors and generally highlight the bigotry within your literary delights!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Try the report of the Human Genetics Commission.

I'll bet you haven't the first clue who the HGC are, what they do, or what any of their reports means.

Prove me wrong. Link to a report, and make a sound comment on it. I dare ye!

Well come on bright boy being the big fish in the wee pond over there. Find it yourself as you are so smart? You obviously don't need me being so always far up yourself. Must be galling with the stats so against you to even want to think that I might be right. But hey massaging your ego is an even greater enjoyment than being a something in nowhere land. So over you to you wonder boy prove me wrong. I have already commented on it and your ears don't like the truth. Find it son.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Well come on bright boy being the big fish in the wee pond over there. Find it yourself as you are so smart? You obviously don't need me being so always far up yourself. Must be galling with the stats so against you to even want to think that I might be right. But hey massaging your ego is an even greater enjoyment than being a something in nowhere land. So over you to you wonder boy prove me wrong. I have already commented on it and your ears don't like the truth. Find it son.

That sounds mighty like a blatant personal attack!

RJ, you possibly don't realise this, but all the above was actually a confession on your part that you don't know who the HGC are or what their report means!

Here you go RJ, here's a link to their reports. Please do tell me which one is relevant, and how it supports your assertion and explains why .

http://www.hgc.gov.uk/Client/library_category.asp?CategoryId=10

Perhaps it is in their most recent report? although I can see nothing relevant there! Surprise! Here's the summary....

T

he main argument of the report can be summarised as follows:

whether profiles of unconvicted people should be recorded on the NDNAD is a fundamental question affecting the relationship between the individual, society and the state, and decisions about this should therefore be informed by public debate and taken by Parliament;
the de facto purpose of the database has shifted over time and should now be set out and constrained in primary legislation;
robust evidence of the ‘forensic utility’ of the database should be produced to justify the resource cost and interference with individual privacy it represents;
this is particularly relevant to the question of which (assuming any) unconvicted people may have their profiles retained on the NDNAD;
more open and independent governance arrangements should be put in place to increase public confidence and co-operation, in particular: a wholly independent oversight board; regular publication of data reviews; independent appeals review board for applications to have subject profiles removed; enhanced role for the Ethics Group; etc.

I think, as usual, you were talking out of your backside.

This is why I have a gun. People don't just stab here in the U.S.
I can concealed carry whenever I want and sometimes do (have permit) maybe it's a recession and these blokes are just angry?

Ha, ha. You can scoff all you like keloda because you want to body swerve the truth. If you are an informed man from Africa then I am starting to feel really sorry for the other Africans who come on here. At least you don't live here so no need for me to apologise for you but they must be groaning. Constantly quoting big words to impress from a simple stance is rather amusing but I digress......

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Ha, ha. You can scoff....

RJ, you haven't managed to produce the HGC report that explains the 'why'....

I've looked. It doesn't exist.

So I rather think my initial assumption, that you had no idea who the HGC are, was correct. And that you, again, have gotten things wrong.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Ha, ha. You can scoff all you like keloda because you want to body swerve the truth. If you are an informed man from Africa then I am starting to feel really sorry for the other Africans who come on here. At least you don't live here so no need for me to apologise for you but they must be groaning. Constantly quoting big words to impress from a simple stance is rather amusing but I digress......

Quoting big words?Aw,thats eal funny.That was how i was trained(just like many guys in the forum).Those words are embedded with more meaning than the street noise,which is a way of showing of the cants of humility.What matters is how well you use it(a job for you:be an editor!If you find any error in my post,don't be "shy" to report"!!.You'll get a bottle of "rum" for each job.The scots like it,those bottles that turn the head).They are not for impressing you and your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Must say many of your posts here are so jibberish it is hard to understand what you are on about. You make me laugh so that can't be too bad as long as I don't taker you too seriously. This last addition is in the usual mould so you are consistent so will give you that.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Must say many of your posts here are so jibberish it is hard to understand what you are on about. You make me laugh so that can't be too bad as long as I don't taker you too seriously. This last addition is in the usual mould so you are consistent so will give you that.

You've ended up not actually saying anything

Oh but I have dear simple man it is just that it floats by you. So to help you remember do feel free to take your African friends cusing mayhem on London's streets back to their roots.

Poor garydenness cannot find what he is looking for such a shame for someone so intelligent. Dear, dear.

Maybe the The National Policing Improvement Agency which supervises such might be better as you are going to play on words for ever as you tend to do?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Poor garydenness cannot find what he is looking for such a shame for someone so intelligent

It doesn't exist Howie. As you have now gathered, I'm sure. I hope. That's why you are refusing to produce it! Rather that admit making a mistake, you prefer to lie instead.

I even produced the web page of the HGC and the link to their reports section in my earlier comment. Nothing there I'm afraid! Are you keeping track of how many times you get things wrong? I hope you are using something more powerful than an abacus!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Maybe the The National Policing Improvement Agency which supervises such might be better as you are going to play on words for ever as you tend to do?

Why don't you try and actually produce the first report from the HGC before you get yourself in more knots with another fictitious non existent report....

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Oh but I have dear simple man it is just that it floats by you

no punctuations,so it doesn't make a sense.

So to help you remember

remember what?

do feel free to take your African friends

And also feel free to rescue your scotish drunks from the bar

Originally posted by rjhowie:

cusing

what was that?a new word we haven't heard about?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

mayhem on London's streets back to their roots

the rest are bollocks!!!

Poor garydenness cannot find what he is looking for such a shame for someone so intelligent. Dear, dear.[/quote]

My guess they are not killing each other to change demographics....so why celebrate...

Are you trying to tell me keloda that the majority of teen murders especially in our capital city are not committed by blacks? You really are getting beyond the ignorantly silly but stupid level. It might not be palatable for you but you don't know so instead you rant and again use your fellow Crazy Gang associates for some kind of bolstering. You should try telling us why this is so instead of blatantly ignoring the problem. Time after time we watch a preponderance of coloured faces on tv with the odd white one. There is something wrong when there is a big imbalance.

To be fair as the city is increasingly becoming non-English indigenous that will mean a bigger proportion will come from that ilk but you choose as I say to ignore this and waffle instead. If it was Irish or Welsh or whatever there in increasing numbers there would be little controversy but because it is blacks we are supposed to keep our mouths shut?

Originally posted by Denny77:

What you gonna do when they come for you...

i jump on you

Originally posted by rjhowie:

For the benefit of Juggalo1 as primary school is a limited education 85% of those on the national DNA database are young coloured men. And before you jump this is based not on stop and search but where there is investigation ongoing re a crime. Maybe you could try and explain that away? I think you are too inclined to go bananas and the content of your spleen and words displays this. Had you used your eyes on these Forums you would have noted that I have not stated that being a one-parent child means a criminal but what I have said is that particular groups in our society have a bigger problem with that regard and they grow up with an imbalanced life. Personally I would prefer the statistic I mewntionn was not so as the less anti-social and criminal behaviour from anyone (note) is a blessing on society. We cannot simply ignore the reality because it is not popularor offends someone.

If you don't understand this general view wait until the bell and get off the playground!

we won the F A enough for me

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

i jump on you

look before you leap ! he- he Clarabelle

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Are you trying to tell me keloda that the majority of teen murders especially in our capital city are not committed by blacks? You really are getting beyond the ignorantly silly but stupid level. It might not be palatable for you but you don't know so instead you rant and again use your fellow Crazy Gang associates for some kind of bolstering. You should try telling us why this is so instead of blatantly ignoring the problem. Time after time we watch a preponderance of coloured faces on tv with the odd white one. There is something wrong when there is a big imbalance.

To be fair as the city is increasingly becoming non-English indigenous that will mean a bigger proportion will come from that ilk but you choose as I say to ignore this and waffle instead. If it was Irish or Welsh or whatever there in increasing numbers there would be little controversy but because it is blacks we are supposed to keep our mouths shut?

I would rather not comment on that.You seem stiff-necked.Too difficult to be enlightened.Perhaps you watch your tv from the behind.That explains why you are the only one that seem to take note of the unfathomable "black criminals" in your crime-infested,violent london

A , B , C

These guys love playing with knives!

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

A , B , C

These guys love playing with knives!

Never without one. Unless i am packing.

Well at last something we can agree on when you comment on black criminals in London. They make up a tidy proportion of the youth murders going on there. You don't need to be stiff necked to know that. Anyway a rather stupid label that considering who makes up the bulk of this London crime!And as it happens you who-knows-little, I have been involved directly in the legal world. So if you have a pipe smoke that one sonny.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Well at last something we can agree on when you comment on black criminals in London. They make up a tidy proportion of the youth murders going on there.

Hmmm!

Criminals are criminals, can't say about their colour. The behavior or intent is the problem, not the colour.

Only a retard will judge people on their skin color

Keep it simple.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

And as it happens you who-knows-little, I have been involved directly in the legal world.

I don't suppose your cell mate was a large gay, Jewish African American by any chance? That would explain so much.....

Originally posted by rjhowie:

you have a pipe smoke that one sonny.

I love it. I could almost like you sometime.... I said at times..

Originally posted by Denny77:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

i jump on you

look before you leap ! he- he Clarabelle

I think you need to sort your own agender out .

In principle you are right Thabotizz but the puzzling thing is why the proportion from African and Afro-Carribeans stock is out of kilter. They will be finding others such as parts of the Asian community following.They get the same education chances as everyone else, indigenous, Asian or whoever. If we could find out a definite answer to that leaving aside the idiotic comments of some here we would be getting somewhere?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

.They get the same education chances as everyone else, indigenous, Asian or whoever.

Do they? Really? Are you sure?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

to that leaving aside the idiotic comments

You're going to stop commenting?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

If it was Irish or Welsh or whatever there in increasing numbers there would be little controversy but because it is blacks we are supposed to keep our mouths shut?

Ta da! And next time you claim you aren't prejudiced against black people, re-read this. Unless you meant to say something different. Perhaps even coherent. Which would be a fair point, RJ.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

... you are right Thabotizz.

No but's! Right is right

Hmmm! Change of heart? Maybe?

I can tell you Thabotizz that education sees all children start school at the age of 5 so the equality opportunity is from day one. Howvere we now have nearly a million children mostly in England who don't have English as a language so that causes probles. Millions more is needed on education and translation. This also holds classes back and there have been incidents where indigenous parents have kicked up that classes are being held back. They often end up moving their kids for progress.

I will slip sideways for a moment and say that the comment from the me-he-can emigre is a load of old tosh. What he finds so sniffy about my comment is an attempt to suggest racism. Blacks and blacks and whites are whites are they not? If anyone wants to misinterpret my views then they can do so we are hardly sitting beside each other so cannot deal properly with such stupidity. We do need to get a grip on the big headaches we now have here and capping non-EEC entry is part of that. We are increasingly a broken society and polarisation and suspicion are in there too. In my long experience in community and youth work I have had the odd person who was black or brown and different religion from me as well. The population was almost all indigenous so we didn't get many. Indeed I also appointed an 18 year old Jew as a Junior Leader so recently gary's crap about my alleged bigotry is something that he has. I always appointed on service, experience and enthusiasm not the person's religion or colour. The Liberal min crowd can often be as guilty of dogmatism and stereotyping as those they would condemn. While people like garydenness feel warm and comfortable in their warm liberalism I practiced practicality in the community so I need no lessons or patronisation from him.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I can tell you Thabotizz that education sees all children start school at the age of 5 so the equality opportunity is from day one. Howvere we now have nearly a million children mostly in England who don't have English as a language so that causes probles. Millions more is needed on education and translation. This also holds classes back and there have been incidents where indigenous parents have kicked up that classes are being held back. They often end up moving their kids for progress.

I will slip sideways for a moment and say that the comment from the me-he-can emigre is a load of old tosh. What he finds so sniffy about my comment is an attempt to suggest racism. Blacks and blacks and whites are whites are they not? If anyone wants to misinterpret my views then they can do so we are hardly sitting beside each other so cannot deal properly with such stupidity. We do need to get a grip on the big headaches we now have here and capping non-EEC entry is part of that. We are increasingly a broken society and polarisation and suspicion are in there too. In my long experience in community and youth work I have had the odd person who was black or brown and different religion from me as well. The population was almost all indigenous so we didn't get many. Indeed I also appointed an 18 year old Jew as a Junior Leader so recently gary's crap about my alleged bigotry is something that he has. I always appointed on service, experience and enthusiasm not the person's religion or colour. The Liberal min crowd can often be as guilty of dogmatism and stereotyping as those they would condemn. While people like garydenness feel warm and comfortable in their warm liberalism I practiced practicality in the community so I need no lessons or patronisation from him.

Whats your view that the Black and Asians and maybe Europeans are more responcible for our crime wave of stabbing than White people ?

Juggalo1 look at the original post, the 'dude' there is white! Now rj want to pin the blame on blacks as usual. Typical

Originally posted by rjhowie:

. What he finds so sniffy about my comment is an attempt to suggest racism.

I thought it blatantly declared that your views are racist. Congratulations. Now you have shown that you can get the gist of another persons posts, perhaps you'd care to answer the other comment I put to you.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

.They get the same education chances as everyone else, indigenous, Asian or whoever.

Originally posted by garydenness:

Do they? Really? Are you sure?

Hey garydenness long time no see.

The incoherent rambling rjhowie is so prone to reminds me of a line in the film American History X, where the black prisoner confronts the white prisoner. The black prisoner pulls a sheet up over his head emulating a Klansman, and says something to the effect of "them's overthere are some nig.... we don't know what a nig... is, but we gon' kill some nig....".
Good ole rgayhowie over there blames all minorities for his "country's" failure. I guess being a card carrying member of the British Union of Fascists requires him to blither on about stuff it is all too clear he knows nothing about. Plus, for someone mentioning education, I find it extremely odd that what he posts seems to be run through a translator or something.

I CANNAE UNDARSTAND YE, OCH YE WEE BAIRN!

Learn english and stop hiding the fact that you're a minority.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

non-EEC entry

That's actually EU, not EEC.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I practiced practicality in the community

Stirring up religious trouble in N. Ireland is "practical"? *raises eyebrow*

LOL @ my good friend from ole miss.

Northern Ireland isn't an issue you can talk about here. rgayhowie won't have it. Plus, last thing we need is more incoherent rambling from him.

Oh another returnee to the Crazy Gang forum control freakery is back. That someone from the European backwater and banana land accuses me of incoherent rambling is a real hoot and an admirable inclusion in the gang. Along with Rumanians and to a slightly lesser degree Bulgarians Albanians play a goodly part in our imported criminals. Time and time again we constantly get black faces on our screens for knifing in London and i am making it up? Even experts if reluctantly' show "concern" at the input of minorities out of proportion. Although in fairness many of the areas have been taken over hence the numbers.

As for you thedawgfan, I am surprised at you going on about Ulster. I made it abundantly clear that I was referring to my local involvement. Indeed I have detailed on Opera in the past my very deep commitment to community work here with no favours to anyone. You know that fine well too but instead try to alter this into something else. Kind of lessens you in estimation doing that so fine we know the score being so silly is an unwitting insight.

Thabotizz may be comforted by this combination of liberals and lefties but it doesn't solve the problem of those derived from his tradtion being so heavily involved in crime. As I say, out of proprtion to numbers?

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Juggalo1 look at the original post, the 'dude' there is white! Now rj want to pin the blame on blacks as usual. Typical

yes i know i just wanted to ask rj whats his views on the colour who thinks is responcible for the outbreak on crime which particular colour .
Anyway it seems there is one almighty on here that rules the forum ,your pants and knickers dont match your oustered into bolivion ,but people dont live forever so fresh blood will come .

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Oh another returnee to the Crazy Gang forum control freakery is back. That someone from the European backwater and banana land accuses me of incoherent rambling is a real hoot and an admirable inclusion in the gang. Along with Rumanians and to a slightly lesser degree Bulgarians Albanians play a goodly part in our imported criminals. Time and time again we constantly get black faces on our screens for knifing in London and i am making it up? Even experts if reluctantly' show "concern" at the input of minorities out of proportion. Although in fairness many of the areas have been taken over hence the numbers.

As for you thedawgfan, I am surprised at you going on about Ulster. I made it abundantly clear that I was referring to my local involvement. Indeed I have detailed on Opera in the past my very deep commitment to community work here with no favours to anyone. You know that fine well too but instead try to alter this into something else. Kind of lessens you in estimation doing that so fine we know the score being so silly is an unwitting insight.

Thabotizz may be comforted by this combination of liberals and lefties but it doesn't solve the problem of those derived from his tradtion being so heavily involved in crime. As I say, out of proprtion to numbers?

I been to banana land you should go some day you may get a nice black man give you a banana .

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Time and time again we constantly get black faces on our screens for knifing in London

You've said so before. Time and time again, in fact.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

nd i am making it up?

What you are 'making up' are your conclusions, as to why this should be. Vague and scant as they are.

It's what is missing from your comments that is most visible. You seem to have settled on 'because they are black' as the answer. Ignoring all the other possibilities.

Inequality in education, for starters. Which you began to explore, but then wandered back off to the 'because they're black' theme.

Social deprivation. How about that?

Restricted employment opportunities....could that be a factor?

So many avenues to explore. Your 'because they're black' argument went down a dead end, and now you can't quite seem to find your way back. But I suspect you're not looking.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Indeed I have detailed on Opera in the past my very deep commitment to community work here with no favours to anyone.

Yawn. One dreads to think the influence you may have had. No wonder Glasgow is on the way down.

Originally posted by WarriorPhilosophy:

LOL @ my good friend from ole miss.

I couldn't resist.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

As for you thedawgfan, I am surprised at you going on about Ulster.

Why? You and your O.O. do marches in N. Ireland, do you not?
You have right to do so, but why is marching in N. Ireland so important?
(You lot do have a good marching song or two, I'll give ya that. )

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I made it abundantly clear that I was referring to my local involvement.

Does that not involve being very active in the O.O. ?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Indeed I have detailed on Opera in the past my very deep commitment to community work here with no favours to anyone.

And I do not question your deep commitment to community work. I'm sure you do a very fine job. I simply asked you a very simple, very direct question.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You know that fine well too but instead try to alter this into something else.

No, not at all. The topic is about why Brit males keep stabbing each other. I think suggesting that instigating other denominations (or sects) by way or marching in them in very historically violent religious areas is a perfectly fine suggestions to make. I asked you do you disagree. So, do you?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Kind of lessens you in estimation doing that so fine we know the score being so silly is an unwitting insight.

Nope, because you know very well that I have a point and that you are unwilling to admit it, you put forth this daft sentence in a bid to turn attention away from a perfectly reasonable suggestion that I put forth.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

but it doesn't solve the problem of those derived from his tradtion being so heavily involved in crime.

How ironic....

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Scotland+is+%27most+violent+country+in+developed+world%27%3B+UN+survey...-a0136419703

"Scotland is the 'most violent country in developed world'; UN survey finds 2,000 people assaulted a week.

Byline: JAMIE LIVINGSTONE

Scottish Political Reporter

BINGE- drinking has contributed to Scotland becoming the most violent country in the developed world.
According to United Nations researchers, a Scot is almost three times more likely to be the victim of a violent assault than an American.
The shocking statistic, which will be a major embarrassment for Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson, proves ministers are failing to curb the 'booze and blade' culture. Yet the figures were released as ministers prepared to further liberalise drinking rules.
The level of violent crime in Scotland has doubled in the past 20 years. The number of violent incidents per head of population puts the country on a par with such renowned crime hotspots as Rio de Janeiro and Johannesburg. Employees of UN's Crime Research Institute carried out telephone interviews with victims of crime in 21 countries.

They discovered that more than 2,000 people a week were attacked in Scotland - almost ten times the number reported by police.
Some 3 per cent of Scots had been victims of assault, compared with only 1.2 per cent in America and 0.1 per cent in Japan.

Dr Jan van Dijk, head of analysis at the UN Inter- regional Crime and Research Institute, said: 'Our survey is more accurate than the
official figures because in all countries there is a huge proportion of crime that goes unreported to police.' He said the number of violent attacks proportional to the Scottish population had almost doubled since 1989.

England and Wales recorded the second highest number of assaults, with the lowest number reported in Northern Ireland.

Since January there have been 13 murders, 145 attempted murders and 1,100 serious assaults involving knives in the West of Scotland alone.
Males aged between 15 and 25 are blamed for a large proportion of those attacks.
Knife crime has claimed more than 160 lives in Glasgow alone over the past five years.
David Ritchie, an accident and emergency consultant at the city's Victoria Infirmary, yesterday described the level of violent crime as 'a cancer in this part of the world' and 'a serious public health issue'.
Despite having a population of only five million, Scotland came eighth in the report's league table for all kinds of crime.

SNP justice spokesman Kenny MacAskill said firm action was needed.
He added: 'Scotland is not Baghdad, but there are areas where the level of violence is shocking and there is a culture of violence that is unacceptable.' Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan, head of the Strathclyde Police violence reduction unit, said controlling access to drink and knives must be a priority.

The Licensing Bill progressing through Holyrood will clamp down on 'happy hours' and drinks promotions - but will also do away with statutory opening hours. Peter Wilson, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, last night questioned the methods used in the UN study but accepted there was a problem. He said extensive research had shown that in the vast majority of cases, victims of violent crime were known to each other.

A spokesman for the Scottish Executive said: 'Recorded Crime figures show that while violent, nonsexual crime, has decreased recently in Scotland, people are still the victims of violence, especially knife crime.
'That's why we will double the maximum penalty for carrying a knife to four years, strengthen police powers of arrest for people suspected of carrying a knife and raise the age at which a person can buy a non- domestic knife from 16 to 18."

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by WarriorPhilosophy:

LOL @ my good friend from ole miss.

I couldn't resist.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

As for you thedawgfan, I am surprised at you going on about Ulster.

Why? You and your O.O. do marches in N. Ireland, do you not?
You have right to do so, but why is marching in N. Ireland so important?
(You lot do have a good marching song or two, I'll give ya that. )

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I made it abundantly clear that I was referring to my local involvement.

Does that not involve being very active in the O.O. ?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Indeed I have detailed on Opera in the past my very deep commitment to community work here with no favours to anyone.

And I do not question your deep commitment to community work. I'm sure you do a very fine job. I simply asked you a very simple, very direct question.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You know that fine well too but instead try to alter this into something else.

No, not at all. The topic is about why Brit males keep stabbing each other. I think suggesting that instigating other denominations (or sects) by way or marching in them in very historically violent religious areas is a perfectly fine suggestions to make. I asked you do you disagree. So, do you?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Kind of lessens you in estimation doing that so fine we know the score being so silly is an unwitting insight.

Nope, because you know very well that I have a point and that you are unwilling to admit it, you put forth this daft sentence in a bid to turn attention away from a perfectly reasonable suggestion that I put forth.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

but it doesn't solve the problem of those derived from his tradtion being so heavily involved in crime.

How ironic....

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Scotland+is+%27most+violent+country+in+developed+world%27%3B+UN+survey...-a0136419703

"Scotland is the 'most violent country in developed world'; UN survey finds 2,000 people assaulted a week.

Byline: JAMIE LIVINGSTONE

Scottish Political Reporter

BINGE- drinking has contributed to Scotland becoming the most violent country in the developed world.
According to United Nations researchers, a Scot is almost three times more likely to be the victim of a violent assault than an American.
The shocking statistic, which will be a major embarrassment for Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson, proves ministers are failing to curb the 'booze and blade' culture. Yet the figures were released as ministers prepared to further liberalise drinking rules.
The level of violent crime in Scotland has doubled in the past 20 years. The number of violent incidents per head of population puts the country on a par with such renowned crime hotspots as Rio de Janeiro and Johannesburg. Employees of UN's Crime Research Institute carried out telephone interviews with victims of crime in 21 countries.

They discovered that more than 2,000 people a week were attacked in Scotland - almost ten times the number reported by police.
Some 3 per cent of Scots had been victims of assault, compared with only 1.2 per cent in America and 0.1 per cent in Japan.

Dr Jan van Dijk, head of analysis at the UN Inter- regional Crime and Research Institute, said: 'Our survey is more accurate than the
official figures because in all countries there is a huge proportion of crime that goes unreported to police.' He said the number of violent attacks proportional to the Scottish population had almost doubled since 1989.

England and Wales recorded the second highest number of assaults, with the lowest number reported in Northern Ireland.

Since January there have been 13 murders, 145 attempted murders and 1,100 serious assaults involving knives in the West of Scotland alone.
Males aged between 15 and 25 are blamed for a large proportion of those attacks.
Knife crime has claimed more than 160 lives in Glasgow alone over the past five years.
David Ritchie, an accident and emergency consultant at the city's Victoria Infirmary, yesterday described the level of violent crime as 'a cancer in this part of the world' and 'a serious public health issue'.
Despite having a population of only five million, Scotland came eighth in the report's league table for all kinds of crime.

SNP justice spokesman Kenny MacAskill said firm action was needed.
He added: 'Scotland is not Baghdad, but there are areas where the level of violence is shocking and there is a culture of violence that is unacceptable.' Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan, head of the Strathclyde Police violence reduction unit, said controlling access to drink and knives must be a priority.

The Licensing Bill progressing through Holyrood will clamp down on 'happy hours' and drinks promotions - but will also do away with statutory opening hours. Peter Wilson, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, last night questioned the methods used in the UN study but accepted there was a problem. He said extensive research had shown that in the vast majority of cases, victims of violent crime were known to each other.

A spokesman for the Scottish Executive said: 'Recorded Crime figures show that while violent, nonsexual crime, has decreased recently in Scotland, people are still the victims of violence, especially knife crime.
'That's why we will double the maximum penalty for carrying a knife to four years, strengthen police powers of arrest for people suspected of carrying a knife and raise the age at which a person can buy a non- domestic knife from 16 to 18."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA OHOHOHOHOHOHO HEEHEEHEEHEE

rgayhowie's nation so violent? Who could have imagined it? I agree with thabotizz... I think rgayhowie would love a black man's banana. (ad-hominem, but completely inadvertantly done)

Additionally my "backwater" has been growing economically, has actively been building a more efficient transport infrastructure, has been getting LOADS of foreign investors while neighboring "civilised" nations are currently tanking.

I don't criticize the Scottish people; I criticize the traitors, namely the british loyalists like you whom allow their nation to be subjugated by the brits. Shit, you're one of the most confused people I've ever had the misfortune of meeting; you're not scottish, but you're not irish.... something in between that allies itself with the lost british empire.

Subjugated? What lefty twaddle. Usually around 75% of the votes cast are for unionist parties not the anti-British Scottish Nose Pickers. No-one foces them to the ballot box at the end of a gun.I can forget much of the ex-Colonist wandering off rambles with his stuff about "I meant". Educational arrogance seems to fit? Black people here do have a high proportion of criminality whether the open minds here get shirty or not. If it were Irish or Greenlanders or from Timbuctoo -whoever, there would be moans but because of skin that makes it taboo? Keich comes to mind. I really do get sighing when excuses are made for them by the would-be open minds. You just have to be different from them and see how narrow they get. Waffle about freedom of opinion then next thing they put people in a neat box with a label. Meant to shut them up of course and the weak will run. You can say Asians can be good at commercial or business activities or the same about Chinese or even that they are great gamblers. That black people are great runners and so on but dare to suggest that they are out of proportion in anti-social stuff here and all Hell breaks loose. Well feel free to heap the coals I won't be burnt.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I can forget much of the ex-Colonist wandering off rambles with his stuff about "I meant".

I was never part of your colonies, so get your facts straight.

Originally posted by WarriorPhilosophy:

"rgayhowie's"

Did anybody observe that????Let me separate the words:R "GAY" HOWIE'S. I bet Mr.Howie will take a libel action against you:lol:

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

How ironic....

A long list of crime stats etc in Glasgow. Can't wait to see how RJ responds to that!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Black people here do have a high proportion of criminality whether the open minds here get shirty or not.

Oh. He didn't respond to any of it. He just went back to the 'because they're black' argument.

RJ, Glasgow has more violence per capita than London. Thus it is, in effect a more violent place. Also, you have pointed out, that there's not much in the way of ethnic diversity in Glasgow. In other words, all this crime is being committed by white Glaswegians.

White Glaswegians are worse than black Londoners when it comes to crime. Or so it would seem to follow.

So what do you make of this? White Glaswegians have some hereditary problem? Their fathers keep running off and leaving the mother alone? IThey are criminals because they are white? Or because they are Glaswegian? Or both?

And most importantly, what should we do about it? I'm sure you will whole heartedly agree with my proposition that we stop allowing Glaswegians to move into England with immediate effect. Surely it will help keep the prison population down....

Any chance of a coherent response? I'm offering odds of 1000-1.

Originally posted by keloda:

Originally posted by WarriorPhilosophy:

"rgayhowie's"

Did anybody observe that????Let me separate the words:R "GAY" HOWIE'S. I bet Mr.Howie will take a libel action against you:lol:

i did but then warrior always knows what he wrights so its no mistake ok

Why do young black British males keep stabbing each other then. Some primal urge???

Mr Howie should ask the young (white) loyalist boys why they attack people.... then he can remove colour from the arguement ( unless we include orange and green). I am a scot now living in asia and he knows very little of the world or its peoples. The protestant community were throwing bricks and spitting on young Catholic girls on their way to school.... not a black person in sight. So, Mr Howie, please focus your attention on matters closer to home and when your small mind can grasp the fact that the colour of a mans skin is not the problem then come back and debate social issues and contributing factors in a non racist manner.

Originally posted by Denny77:

Why do young black British males keep stabbing each other then. Some primal urge???

why don't you use the word that you really wanted to use .Shame i love a good firework going off good
if it goes up and never comes down .

Originally posted by Denny77:

Why do young black British males keep stabbing each other then. Some primal urge???

Why do whites think THEY are superior to all ..

Originally posted by garydenness:

A long list of crime stats etc in Glasgow. Can't wait to see how RJ responds to that!

Come now Gary, everyone knows he won't respond to it.
We all know that those pesky facts just are always getting in the way of a good long rant. (However hypocritical it may be)

To respond to the initial topic, somebody has to do it and older people have too much to do already. Trust me, I am such a person. Stabbing people is difficult because of my arthritis.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Why do whites think THEY are superior to all

I was asking a question not looking for a opinion about whites.. I know full well what I, being a white, think and that is all that is important to me.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

o respond to the initial topic, somebody has to do it and older people have too much to do already. Trust me, I am such a person. Stabbing people is difficult because of my arthritis.

You do have that Glock though...that is what old men do when they have arthritis or other ailments.

Originally posted by Denny77:

I know full well what I, being a white, think.....

The problem is, with some whites in particular, and mentioning no names, is not that they think, but what they think. One can{t help but think it would be best all round if they simply stopped thinking.

Originally posted by Denny77:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Why do whites think THEY are superior to all

I was asking a question not looking for a opinion about whites.. I know full well what I, being a white, think and that is all that is important to me.

Exactly

Listen. All the blacks in jail stick togheter gary. they would have your arse for christmas if you were ilke that in there. u know what life is like. stop being.oh i don't know......naive.....come on...... stop being naive.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Exactly

I also have a damn good idea what blacks think also....just guessing of course..That is why so many are in jail....which reflects on question asked on board..not what white guys think...

Of course they are killing each other because of white guys like me....

Just like Islamist are out to kill because they are all under the yoke in their own countries. Run by despicable people..incapable of producing anything except oil or I should say accumulating American money.... Sucker. Thats why yyou are where you are...

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

stop being.oh i don't know......naive.....come on...... stop being naive.

I'm not in slightest bit naive. Not in the slightest. Neither am I extreme. Nor am I cherry picking stats to prove a prejudiced point of view. Spent much time in prison, have you?

Originally posted by Denny77:

Thats why yyou are where you are...

Or, alternatively, that's why you are who you are.

Originally posted by Denny77:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Exactly

I also have a damn good idea what blacks think also....just guessing of course..That is why so many are in jail....which reflects on question asked on board..not what white guys think...

Of course they are killing each other because of white guys like me....

Just like Islamist are out to kill because they are all under the yoke in their own countries. Run by despicable people..incapable of producing anything except oil or I should say accumulating American money.... Sucker. Thats why yyou are where you are...

have you ever thought you talk a load of balls but then i know where i am ,i know s omething you do not know and its big .

Spent much time in prison, have you?

4 months