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Sick of the Tea Party, try the Coffee Party instead
http://www.newsweek.com/id/236856When Annabel Park imagined what it would be like to head a new national political movement, here is what she had in mind: a coming together of engaged, intelligent citizens who had tired of the angry rhetoric and accusations of the Tea Partiers; Americans of all political persuasions joining in a spirit of equanimity to discuss the nation's problems, and maybe even share a laugh. It was this beautiful vision that danced in Park's head on a recent Saturday as she made her way to Busboys and Poets, a cafe in Washington, D.C., for one of nearly 500 Coffee Party meetings taking place nationwide that day. She knew the house would be full—word had spread quickly on the group's swelling Facebook page. Park, a documentary filmmaker, was especially pleased that C-Span had arranged to broadcast the meeting.
But from the moment folks in the crowd stood up to speak their minds, Park knew these people had not come to sip cappuccinos and set an example of civility for an overheated nation. They were angry. They hated the Tea Party, and the Republican Party. They wanted to get even. One audience member said America was under the thumb of oligarchs and denounced "moneyed interests." A few people hissed when Sarah Palin's name was mentioned. Also on hand were the usual suspects drawn to the C-Span bat signal. A man representing Code Pink, the left-wing protest group, said that "racism was the basis for everything that's going on right now." He also seemed to have a real problem with "fear-based rhetoric" and Northrop Grumman.
Park, a 42-year-old Korean-American with a smile that can only be described as "kind," regularly tried to steer the talk back to the group's more centrist principles. But when someone asked how many people in the room were Republicans, all 80 hands remained down. "I like the civility idea, but I hate the Tea Party people," said attendee Karen Anderson. By the end of the event, some in the crowd had decided the movement, barely two months old at the time, needed a new leader. China Dickerson, a 26-year-old community organizer, said the Coffee Party wouldn't last "unless we get someone a little more powerful to head it." She wanted a rabble-rouser, "not someone that says we can all work together." Park seemed a little rattled after the meeting. "If they want to fire me, this may not be the group for them," she said later. "We don't want conflict and confrontation."
The question is whether Park or anyone else can hope to lead a successful movement based on civility instead of combat. There's a reason why pundits keep using the cliché that we're a deeply divided nation: there are intensely partisan minorities on the far right and the far left. Park admits she's an amateur in this overcharged arena, and she has made mistakes. Picking "Coffee Party" as the name for her movement may have been the first. Nor did her choice of venue for her Saturday gathering signal a bipartisan tone. Busboys and Poets is a hip lefty D.C. restaurant and bookstore, the kind that prominently displays books like Rules for Radicals, Pedagogy of the Oppressed, and Obamistan! Land Without Racism. A picture of Gandhi is on the menu.
But then, Park didn't set out to create a political movement in the first place. She was just exhausted by all-Tea-Party-all-the-time on the news. One night in January, she signed on to her Facebook page and ranted about "the false narrative that the tea party is the real America." Her friends picked up on the post and it led to the creation of the Coffee Party. Within days, thousands of people signed up on Facebook.
All of a sudden Park was a political leader—of what, she didn't quite know—and the target of right-wing fury. Conservative bloggers unearthed—scandal!—that she had once briefly worked for The New York Times and supported Sen. Jim Webb, a moderate Democrat from Virginia. One online commenter accused her of being a "Chinese agent." The notoriety didn't really hurt: the group now has more than 200,000 members, and every status update Park posts gets about a million views.
Park is trying to take it all with a sense of humor, though she admits the stress is starting to get to her. She clocks about five hours of sleep a night, and works without pay, putting airline tickets and hotels on her credit cards. "It's a grand experiment," she says. "Who would say no to this? It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity." She's planning a Coffee Party convention this August, somewhere in the Midwest (people are nicer there). "We're not going to be out there protesting," she says. She insists there may yet come a day when the two parties—Coffee and Tea—will set aside their differences and beat their placards into plowshares. "There's room for debate between the two platforms," she says. Beautiful visions can be difficult to shake.
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Looks awfully white and angry to me. Not to mention smallish.
Wonderful.They were angry. They hated the Tea Party, and the Republican Party. They wanted to get even. One audience member said America was under the thumb of oligarchs and denounced "moneyed interests." A few people hissed when Sarah Palin's name was mentioned. Also on hand were the usual suspects drawn to the C-Span bat signal. A man representing Code Pink, the left-wing protest group, said that "racism was the basis for everything that's going on right now." He also seemed to have a real problem with "fear-based rhetoric" and Northrop Grumman.
Early on in the Teabagger thread I introduced the community to the Coffee Party:
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Originally posted by fanfaron:
Not to mention smallish.
Meh, I've seen a single tea-bagger by the road, once.
Originally posted by fanfaron:
:yawn: I get onto the Teabaggers about their hypocrisy, not their race or mood. That lot seems to be all about small government-unless it's about imposing their moral views on everyone elseLooks awfully white and angry to me.
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Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
Yeah, but that seems to be the norm for the Coffee Party.Originally posted by fanfaron:
Not to mention smallish.
Meh, I've seen a single tea-bagger by the road, once.
Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
I don't hear Tea Party types talking much about social issues.:yawn: I get onto the Teabaggers about their hypocrisy, not their race or mood. That lot seems to be all about small government-unless it's about imposing their moral views on everyone else
Annabel Park says there’s no coup in the works to remove her as the leader of the Coffee Party movement and replace her with someone more angry, radical and willing to be confrontational with conservatives. But a recent article in Newsweek suggests otherwise.
Park, contacted through Facebook, criticized the Newsweek article and its author Steve Tuttle for quoting a woman at a Washington DC Coffee Party who said the movement would die “unless we get someone a little more powerful.”
My goodness. Get after them teabaggers, Annabel! Time for some Coffee-Tea streetfighting!Originally posted by fanfaron:
I don't hear Tea Party types talking much about social issues.
Better turn up your hearing aid, then. They tend to be conservative, religious republicans...they cry about social issues all the time, even if not under the Tea Party banner, but they are much the same people. I'm so sorry you don't dont know much about these people you jump on hear and defend. This is not difficult information to come across
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Originally posted by fanfaron:
What are you laughing at? Maybe you missed the bit about Tea Party Patriots hinting that Tea Party express might be astroturf all along....My goodness. Get after them teabaggers, Annabel! Time for some Coffee-Tea streetfighting!
Anyway, sorry that I missed that Dawg already mentioned the Coffee Party in the other thread, but it's interesting to see how the counter-movement pans out. It won't have the corporate muscle of New Corp promoting it, so it won't get all the free publicity that wants.
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Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
Oh, yeah. Of course. But then it's a lot easier to attack on that basis than to defend the stimulus bill and health care bill, for example.They tend to be conservative, religious republicans...they cry about social issues all the time, even if not under the Tea Party banner
Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
Awwww, poor things. They'll just have to settle for having Obama Inc. along with glowing reviews in all other media outlets. Let's see how it does.It won't have the corporate muscle of New Corp promoting it, so it won't get all the free publicity that wants.
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Originally posted by fanfaron:
Oh, yeah. Of course. But then it's a lot easier to attack on that basis than to defend the stimulus bill and health care bill, for example.
How's stating a demographic tendency those people possibly an attack, unless it's something to be ashamed of, something to hide?
Originally posted by fanfaron:
Awwww, poor things. They'll just have to settle for having Obama Inc. along with glowing reviews in all other media outlets.
What glowing reviews would that be? When work at Fox News on the in the breakroom, every blasted day Beck, and company would all be cheerlead for the Teaparty. Now that the channel has been changed to CNN, with retirement of the functionally illiterate store manager*, I've yet to see the Coffee Party even mentioned.
*He was reading a memo at a meeting one day, which was written at about a 3rd grade reading level. He stumbled on the words so badly it was embarrassing.
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Is There Common Ground Between the Tea Party and the Coffee Party?
And that is a goal for which both coffee partiers and tea partiers can strive for, the Coffee Party says -- putting power back in the hands of the people, whether that means wresting it from government or private special interests.
"You work for us, not for corporations," the Coffee Party says in its Message to Congress. "We hired you and we get to fire you. We pay you and give you great health insurance. Now get to work serving the interests of the American people, or get out."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000354-503544.html
The message appeals for citizens to "discard the labels that obfuscate reality like Democrat, Republican, conservative and liberal... Democracy is not a zero sum game."
Lappe contends that the Coffee Party may even be able to convince tea partiers that government can have a positive role in society. Government size shouldn't count for much, she says, but rather, people should worry about to whom the government is accountable and how it functions.
"Without an accountable government we end up with the big government clean-ups like the Superfund," Lappe said, referring to the federal law designed to clean up abandoned hazardous waste sites. "A government that is accountable is a reasonable size... If you want [government] small, is that before or after we solve the Toyota recall? In a complex society we need a government that is looking out for our interests in a transparent way
."
Government is not the solution to every problem, but too small of government as the corporation will fill the power vacuum. By that, I mean they'll be able to continue whatever abuses they feel such as faulty and dangerous products, insurance companies getting between the patients and doctors and driving up premiums, employer mistreatment of workers (ie too low of pay, insufficient benefits, etc), financial scandals such as is unfolding now. The government stepping to regulate Wall St, deny insurance companies the right to jack up the rates and deny coverage, etc does certainly not make them an enemy of the people.
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Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
Anyway, sorry that I missed that Dawg already mentioned the Coffee Party in the other thread, but it's interesting to see how the counter-movement pans out. It won't have the corporate muscle of New Corp promoting it, so it won't get all the free publicity that wants.
No problem, and I agree. It will be quite interesting.
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28. April 2010, 01:39:04 (edited)
Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
Hide what? An opposition to gay marriage or to abortion? The majority of the country seems to be opposed to gay marriage and abortion, at least to some extent.Originally posted by fanfaron:
Oh, yeah. Of course. But then it's a lot easier to attack on that basis than to defend the stimulus bill and health care bill, for example.
How's stating a demographic tendency those people possibly an attack, unless it's something to be ashamed of, something to hide?
Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
Well, the one you referenced to open this thread, for one. Is there any discussion of Annabel Park's background in this story? I can't see it. Maybe someone will cover the Coffee Party by examining its potential for violence, or its anger, or the fact that its members are, by and large, hyperpartisan Froot Loops. You know, the same sort of coverage and commentary that Tea Partiers...oops, Teabaggers har har har...get.What glowing reviews would that be?
Originally posted by fanfaron:
Well, the one you referenced to open this thread, for one. Is there any discussion of Annabel Park's background in this story?
This is why I didn't even read this post of yours until now. You're so silly. There's nothing about her background is really extraordinary. Yes, so volunteered for the Obama campaign (but was never a paid employee), so what?
Originally posted by fanfaron:
Both of them? Sorry,but most Americans are pro-choice. And most will support civil unions as well (but many don't undedrstand that that most the state amendments would, in fact, ban civil unions as well as common law marriage, etc)An opposition to gay marriage or to abortion? The majority of the country seems to be opposed to gay marriage and abortion, at least to some extent.
Originally posted by fanfaron:
Maybe someone will cover the Coffee Party by examining its potential for violence, or its anger, or the fact that its members are, by and large, hyperpartisan Froot Loops.
True, Coffee Partiers called black congressmen niggers and Barney Frank a faggot...oh wait..that was the teabaggers.
Coffee Partiers are too busy focusing a Wall Street reform, education and other issues that effect us all to be like you described.Far to the left..nope. some even Arizona's Immigration Bill
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Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
Barney Frank a faggot
Well he is and also brought fannie and freddie to their knees......no pun, Not to mention the whole real estate market in this country which in turn........... well you know.
4. May 2010, 01:14:19 (edited)
Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
Originally posted by fanfaron:
Well, the one you referenced to open this thread, for one. Is there any discussion of Annabel Park's background in this story?
This is why I didn't even read this post of yours until now. You're so silly. There's nothing about her background is really extraordinary. Yes, so volunteered for the Obama campaign (but was never a paid employee), so what?
But if some tea party type had been a volunteer for Dubya it'd be evidence of astroturf...Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
According to Gallup, the number of those who say abortion should be legal under any circumstances and those who say illegal under any circumstances is about the same. Tiny.Originally posted by fanfaron:
Both of them? Sorry,but most Americans are pro-choice. And most will support civil unions as well (but many don't undedrstand that that most the state amendments would, in fact, ban civil unions as well as common law marriage, etc)An opposition to gay marriage or to abortion? The majority of the country seems to be opposed to gay marriage and abortion, at least to some extent.
Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
I still haven't heard any audio of tea party people calling anyone a nigger. Do you have some? I also seem to remember a spitting incident...and now the rep who was allegedly spat upon is walking it back.True, Coffee Partiers called black congressmen niggers and Barney Frank a faggot...oh wait..that was the teabaggers.
But how about violence during the immigration protests over the weekend?
(edit) All I'm really saying is that Coffee Party or Tea Party, it's really just people wanting to be heard. Reflexively shrieking "astroturf!!!!!" or engaging in childish insults is idiotic.
Originally posted by fanfaron:
I still haven't heard any audio of tea party people calling anyone a nigger.
Now you're in denial, poor boy. Sorry it didn't happen on 1 minute minute video on youtube that you saw means its didn't happened? Are you aware that video can be easily edited to take out the inconvenient parts? There is in fact, plenty of pictorial evidence of teabaggers being racist and anti-Semitic. Let's not even use an example involving black people (although there is a common pic shown of teabagger with a sign with the word "nigger" mispelled as "niggar"
A word to the wise, don't challenge me on this one.
That guy may be an anti-Semite, or just a dipshit, hard to say. However, do you seriously doubt there are no bad apples in the Tea Part Movement(s} that wouldn't shut something that idiotic?
(final note, the dumbsass depicted above has a 98% chance of having actually gotten a tax cut from Obama. That is unless he made more then $250,000 last year -if he did that serves a proof that there is no God)
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What the country needs is a movement that really stands for something positive, which the Coffee Party seems to. The Tea Party (along with GOP) is reduced to being the party of "no." No to Universal Healthcare, which has reduced costs and improved health care throughout the world. For a while it was no to Wall St reform, until the GOP realised that was a lost cause, etc. But they have precious few ideas. Originally posted by fanfaron:
Actually I agree. However, I gave proof of ther astroturfing going on in the Teaparty Express, branch of the movement conceived and executed in its entirety by a GOP PAC, the Tea Party Patriots all but used that word about the TEP themselves.Reflexively shrieking "astroturf!!!!!" or engaging in childish insults is idiotic.
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Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
OK, how many of the tea partiers do they have to go through to find the one guy carrying a questionable placard? Of course there are kooks in that movement as there are in any movement. Do you condemn the whole thing because of a "bad apple" here or there? Only in certain cases, it seems. And I STILL haven't heard audio of protesters shrieking "nigger".
That guy may be an anti-Semite, or just a dipshit, hard to say. However, do you seriously doubt there are no bad apples in the Tea Part Movement(s} that wouldn't shut something that idiotic?
Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
If there were instances of tea party types shouting "nigger", you can be damn sure it would've been recorded and would've surfaced. I think some conservative blogger even offered $100,000 or something for audio/video proof of racial epithets. No one's claimed the money.Sorry it didn't happen on 1 minute minute video on youtube that you saw means its didn't happened? Are you aware that video can be easily edited to take out the inconvenient parts?
Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
The Coffee Party is just shilling for Obama's agenda. It's in itself a "reactionary" movement. As for "universal health care" reducing costs and improving service, the health care bill recently passed does neither. Follow the news more closely, lots of "Easter eggs" are being discovered about that mess all the time.Before getting too far off my real purpose in posting by answering you complaints, I'll go ahead do that p: What the country needs is a movement that really stands for something positive, which the Coffee Party seems to. The Tea Party (along with GOP) is reduced to being the party of "no." No to Universal Healthcare, which has reduced costs and improved health care throughout the world. For a while it was no to Wall St reform, until the GOP realised that was a lost cause, etc. But they have precious few ideas.
As for "Wall Street reform", I'd say no also to eternal bailouts and "too big to fail". Sometimes "hell, no" is the best answer.
What's happened is that Obama has deferred all legislative input to Pelosi, Reid et al...who in turn pull out these monstrosities of bills out of their collective ass, starting with the $787 billion so-called "stimulus". "No" would've been a good answer to that one, too.
4. May 2010, 10:55:09 (edited)
Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
A word to the wise, don't challenge me on this one.
You are really quite emotional. As most of the lying, and soon to be evicted violent left.
Don't back a dog in a corner sunny.
"the dumbsass depicted above has a 98% chance of having actually gotten a tax cut from Obama."......but of course he won't now all because he is a racist Tea Bagger I will suggest to you for future reference that the poor boy won't get his tax break. And anybody who likes lies is a lackey. just for future reference,
Originally posted by Denny77:
but of course he won't now all because he is a racist Tea Bagger
Who's emotional now? At no people did I suggest that being a racist was the norm for the tea party. I do, however, question the mentality of someone that immediately thinks of Jews and ovens while he's suffering the delusion that his tax bill increased so much. Seriously, I want to ask him what he was thinking. Anyway, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, in fact as $275 Billion in tax cuts. I wonder if the putz was still crying about Jews and ovens as he got if tax refund check.
Originally posted by Denny77:
And anybody who likes lies is a lackey. just for future reference,
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See? I told you so. The Tea Party is full of lies, therefore full of GOP lackeys....ergo astroturf. Glad we finally came to an agreement over that issue
Originally posted by fanfaron:
In the sense that it's a reaction to the Tea Party, certainly. You can't have a movement like the Tea Party garnering so much media attention, including having the full weight of News Corp behind it without expecting some sort of counter movement behind it. It's simple physics, action > reaction. The difference is that the Coffee Party even begins with a tongue-in-cheek name, but branches off from there with a positive agenda, instead of dishonoring the spirit of 1776 by claiming they don't have representation in Congress*It's in itself a "reactionary" movement.
Originally posted by fanfaron:
Yes, subsidizing the costs of health insurance to low and middle income Americans certainly doesn't lower the cost for them......oh wait.As for "universal health care" reducing costs and improving service, the health care bill recently passed does neither.
*No taxation without representation
Retard, your district might not have sent Republican to Congress, but other districts have...you have representation galore in congress. That's very unlike 1776 when the colonies had no representation in Parliament. Almost forgot
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Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
Originally posted by Denny77:
but of course he won't now all because he is a racist Tea Bagger
Who's emotional now? At no people did I suggest that being a racist was the norm for the tea party. I do, however, question the mentality of someone that immediately thinks of Jews and ovens while he's suffering the delusion that his tax bill increased so much. Seriously, I want to ask him what he was thinking. Anyway, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, in fact as $275 Billion in tax cuts. I wonder if the putz was still crying about Jews and ovens as he got if tax refund check.Originally posted by Denny77:
And anybody who likes lies is a lackey. just for future reference,
See? I told you so. The Tea Party is full of lies, therefore full of GOP lackeys....ergo astroturf. Glad we finally came to an agreement over that issueOriginally posted by fanfaron:
In the sense that it's a reaction to the Tea Party, certainly. You can't have a movement like the Tea Party garnering so much media attention, including having the full weight of News Corp behind it without expecting some sort of counter movement behind it. It's simple physics, action > reaction. The difference is that the Coffee Party even begins with a tongue-in-cheek name, but branches off from there with a positive agenda, instead of dishonoring the spirit of 1776 by claiming they don't have representation in Congress*It's in itself a "reactionary" movement.
Originally posted by fanfaron:
Yes, subsidizing the costs of health insurance to low and middle income Americans certainly doesn't lower the cost for them......oh wait.As for "universal health care" reducing costs and improving service, the health care bill recently passed does neither.
*No taxation without representation
Almost forgot
You believe everything the gov tells you..
. I'm sorry but just too mush BS to address. Somehow i don't think you would believe me anyway.http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/20/90772/rep-john-lewis-charges-protesters.html
In the above video around the 20 second mark shorty before the camera operator asks a guy to state his name, in the background, possibly. I had to watch it around 8 or 9 times. The crowd in general is chanting "Kill the Bill" An issue would be the type of microphone generally used in a situation like that, out in the street with all the protesters. You would use a uni-directional dynamic microphone. What that means is that you only clearly get sound from right in front of you (the unidirectional part) But a dynamic microphone is very rugged, so if it somehow falls, it's unlikely to break. But a dynamic mic so doesn't produce very good sound quality. So from the type of mic you have somebody shouting something in the distance that sounds a bit like "nigger" but it's hard to tell. Now also have have an Occam's Razor sitatuation: what's the simpliest and mostly likely explanation. A 70 year old civil rights veteran who had his life threatened is lying about this for no apparent reason or there's a racist somewhere in that entire crowd.
Please note that cameraman has terrible videography and shot framing, so he's clearly not a professional.
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Originally posted by Denny77:
You believe everything the gov tells you..
It's not about believing everything the government tells you. If you notice, the Coffee party is not a pro-government group either. There's more then pro-government and anti-"government." Why do people assume you have to extremely for one agency, in this case the government, or extremely against it. There is such a thing as looking at each situation as it comes and deciding to be for or opposed to the legislation, executive order, etc as it comes. Further, what baffles me is why tea partiers seem to think "Federal Government bad - State Government good" when, to any thinking person, both of those levels of government are capable of advancing the cause of freedom or erecting barriers to freedom. Bizarre to think otherwise. Having said that, the term "state's rights" makes me cringe still. Historically it was politically correct speak for "We want to defy the Federal government and keep (insert group of people) in there place: First it was the black slaves, then the blacks getting separate and unequal treatment, then the gays, and now the Hispanics.
Originally posted by Jaybro:
I know that as well as you do. Our friend Fanfaron seems to have difficulty understanding that. Besides, I've met a TP'er in real life that has an equally thin skin about that issue and I'm curious as why they so vehemently deny there were racists in the crowd. Why not simply denounce any racism and be done with it?There's a racist in pretty much every woodpile. Tagging TPers for harboring racists is a sure winner, but what percentage? And what in Hades does it prove.
Originally posted by Denny77:
I'm sorry but just too mush BS to address.
Oh? What did I say that was not factually correct? The no taxation without representation bit ? Let's see...the many of the colonies believed that being taxed without direct representation was illegal. I was correct there. Hrmmm...are there representatives coming from the TP'ers districts..for the most part unless they happen to live in DC..yes they do have representation.... Is that man not holding a "niggar" sign..yup he is, unless you seriously want to argue that was a Photoshop job; but I'm sure Fan will do that for you. What, pray tell, did I say that was wrong?
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Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
What, pray tell, did I say that was wrong?
You disagree with him therefore you're obviously wrong. Who cares about those silly little facts anyway?
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Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
Understanding what? That there are racists in just about every grouping you can think of? The point is that you would like to paint them ALL as racists. And I've seen the same pics of the same placards posted here over and over and over. If they were riddled with racists, you might come up with some new pics.Originally posted by Jaybro:
I know that as well as you do. Our friend Fanfaron seems to have difficulty understanding that. Besides, I've met a TP'er in real life that has an equally thin skin about that issue and I'm curious as why they so vehemently deny there were racists in the crowd. Why not simply denounce any racism and be done with it?There's a racist in pretty much every woodpile. Tagging TPers for harboring racists is a sure winner, but what percentage? And what in Hades does it prove.
And most of the TPers I've seen interviewed have pretty much denounced racism anyway. It doesn't matter. It doesn't fit The Narrative.