progress bar (pop-up at bottom) sticks to page when scrolling down while page is still loading

progress bar (pop-up at bottom) sticks to page when scrolling down while page is still loading

Hi, I want to address an annoyance I have with Opera since 10.50.

The topic title says it all: I like the have the progress bar set to pop up at the bottom because it shows a lot more information than any other possible setting, and I like to see a lot of information.

Whenever I load a page and start scrolling while the page hasn't finished loading yet, then the progress bar, which is still visible at the bottom of the page, seems to stick to the page as I scroll down. For a very brief moment, the progress bar is stuck to the page wherever it was before scrolling, when that region of the page was at the bottom of the Opera window. When this brief moment is over, the progress bar is drawn at the bottom of the page again. You can call it progress-bar-ghosting if you will.

This is somewhat annoying, as it makes my experience with Opera feel buggy and unpolished, despite of the hard work the Opera team put in the new GUI.

This problem has been present ever since 10.50 alpha builds came out, and it still hasn't been fixed in 10.52 final. I use Windows XP.

My questions are:
1) is this a known issue?
2) if so, when was this planned to be fixed?

Thank you!

you might want to try the new Update Opera 10.52.....

Noticed that problem too. Confirmed here with Opera 10.50, 10.51 and 10.52 on Windows Vista 64-Bit.

Originally posted by RomDos:

you might want to try the new Update Opera 10.52.....

I did that before creating this topic and it didn't help.

I've raised a bug report about this a while ago. DSK-285233. No idea about its status tho.

Steps to reproduce
===================
1. Open the Appearance Dialog (Shift + F12) > Toolbars and set the Progress Bar to Pop-up at bottom
2. Open a large page, or a large picture ( http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0704/aurora1_wikipedia_big.jpg ), and scroll down/up as it loads
3. Notice how the Progress Bar redraws over the small bottom part of the page, corrupting the webpage/picture that's loading

(This issue started happening since the first pre-alpha of v10.5, in 10.10 everything is fine)

Expected result
===============
Progress Bar doesn't redraw across the bottom of the page while scrolling.

Actual result
=============
Progress Bar redraws over the bottom of the page while you scroll.

It's good to know this bug is already filed.

Now let's play the waiting game. =)

The issue seems mitigated in 10.52 compared to 10.51, but it's not absent yet.

10.53 screenshot:

It is still there in 10.53, I cannot say if it's worse or better now, I don't really notice a difference compared to previous versions. My guess this bug hasn't been fixed yet. I wonder why some bugs take ages before getting fixed. Isn't this high on the priority list? I wonder what is.

Originally posted by ernesteban:

I wonder what is.

Crashes and security issues?

Still present here, Opera 10.53 (3374), WinXP.

can't confirm it. Opera 10.53 Windows 7 32 Bit.

Can't confirm. 10.53, Build 3381, Win 98SE.

Well, I can. It's pretty annoying actually.

Bug still present in build 3381.

Originally posted by Lonesome Bullet:

Can't confirm. 10.53, Build 3381, Win 98SE.

How do you perform scrolling action? Do you press "middle button" and then, once the cursor has changed its shape, you move it slowly up and down?
The thing is that, It's THIS (superior) form of scrolling the one that triggers this long lasting bug... All other slower ways of scrolling don't show this faulty behaviour...

BTW, try it also on pages which take LONG to load (and so, status bar might remain there for some time). Status bar has to be popping up at the bottom of screen, if it shows up inside the URL input box, then "there's not such a bug"...

EDIT: I've found a page which triggers this bug always: http://loquemerevientadejapon.blogspot.com/2007/11/los-fantsticos-todo-cien.html

No version of the late 10.5X builds has showed this bug fixed...

Originally posted by friguron:

Originally posted by Lonesome Bullet:

Can't confirm. 10.53, Build 3381, Win 98SE.

How do you perform scrolling action? Do you press "middle button" and then, once the cursor has changed its shape, you move it slowly up and down?
The thing is that, It's THIS (superior) form of scrolling the one that triggers this long lasting bug... All other slower ways of scrolling don't show this faulty behaviour...

I never use that form of scrolling - I use the scrollwheel instead, and smooth scrolling is disabled in the preferences, but I still experience this bug. So you are wrong, unfortunately.

Originally posted by ernesteban:

Originally posted by friguron:

Originally posted by Lonesome Bullet:

Can't confirm. 10.53, Build 3381, Win 98SE.

How do you perform scrolling action? Do you press "middle button" and then, once the cursor has changed its shape, you move it slowly up and down?
The thing is that, It's THIS (superior) form of scrolling the one that triggers this long lasting bug... All other slower ways of scrolling don't show this faulty behaviour...

I never use that form of scrolling - I use the scrollwheel instead, and smooth scrolling is disabled in the preferences, but I still experience this bug. So you are wrong, unfortunately.

I would say Smooth Scrolling (that option you mentioned) has nothing to do with "middle click scroll", (which BTW seems to have the somewhat meaningless/dull official name of "auto scroll" (??) )... Smooth scrolling, as far as I remember is something that "softens" the otherwise abrupt scroll you might get by pressing "Pg Down/Pg Up", cursor up/down, and probably scrollwheel stuttering scroll also... Anyway, no matter the value of this "opera:config" option (that is "Smooth Scroll"), the bug appears steadily...

I'll say more: on the testing I've just done, I can confirm the bug appears pressing "cursor down" (VERY subtly, but it's there), PG Down (outcome is horrid), and middle click scroll (which, as it's the method capable of the highest scrolling speeds, triggers the bug in the ugliest way possible). I can't confirm the "scrollwheel" part of the report though, as my mouse never had one. It just has "3 buttons", so I've been (happily) forced to use "autoscroll" forever. Which incidentally, as soon as Opera 10.5X builds started to appear, I and many other people have become more than pissed off when we came across this other (probably related) nightmare: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=480831

So, I'm more than happy to be wrong then, in the sense that even all other ways to scroll-down show this missbehaviour As it seems then, it's a much more generalized bug than I thought, and what surprises me is "almost no one is noticing it", as it gives Opera a "not finished product" feeling...

All people wanting to trigger this thread's bug, go here (for example): http://loquemerevientadejapon.blogspot.com/2007/11/los-fantsticos-todo-cien.html
and start pressing "pg down" while the page is loading and when you have the status bar configured to appear popping up at the bottom of the screen. The bug only appears when scrolling down a webpage, never going up.

Greetings!

Originally posted by friguron:

Originally posted by ernesteban:

Originally posted by friguron:

Originally posted by Lonesome Bullet:

Can't confirm. 10.53, Build 3381, Win 98SE.

How do you perform scrolling action? Do you press "middle button" and then, once the cursor has changed its shape, you move it slowly up and down?
The thing is that, It's THIS (superior) form of scrolling the one that triggers this long lasting bug... All other slower ways of scrolling don't show this faulty behaviour...

I never use that form of scrolling - I use the scrollwheel instead, and smooth scrolling is disabled in the preferences, but I still experience this bug. So you are wrong, unfortunately.

I would say Smooth Scrolling (that option you mentioned) has nothing to do with "middle click scroll", (which BTW seems to have the somewhat meaningless/dull official name of "auto scroll" (??) )... Smooth scrolling, as far as I remember is something that "softens" the otherwise abrupt scroll you might get by pressing "Pg Down/Pg Up", cursor up/down, and probably scrollwheel stuttering scroll also... Anyway, no matter the value of this "opera:config" option (that is "Smooth Scroll"), the bug appears steadily...

I'll say more: on the testing I've just done, I can confirm the bug appears pressing "cursor down" (VERY subtly, but it's there), PG Down (outcome is horrid), and middle click scroll (which, as it's the method capable of the highest scrolling speeds, triggers the bug in the ugliest way possible). I can't confirm the "scrollwheel" part of the report though, as my mouse never had one. It just has "3 buttons", so I've been (happily) forced to use "autoscroll" forever. Which incidentally, as soon as Opera 10.5X builds started to appear, I and many other people have become more than pissed off when we came across this other (probably related) nightmare: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=480831

So, I'm more than happy to be wrong then, in the sense that even all other ways to scroll-down show this missbehaviour As it seems then, it's a much more generalized bug than I thought, and what surprises me is "almost no one is noticing it", as it gives Opera a "not finished product" feeling...

All people wanting to trigger this thread's bug, go here (for example): http://loquemerevientadejapon.blogspot.com/2007/11/los-fantsticos-todo-cien.html
and start pressing "pg down" while the page is loading and when you have the status bar configured to appear popping up at the bottom of the screen. The bug only appears when scrolling down a webpage, never going up.

Greetings!

Wow, thank you for your extensive post.

I now understand what you meant earlier.

So now we can conclude that this bug appears with every manner of scrolling pages when the progress bar is set to pop up at the bottom. That is good knowledge that may help the Opera developers in tackling this bug, if they ever get to it. *wink* at the Opera developers.

Since this thread has had some success, maybe it will catch the needed attention finally.

Still can't confirm on http://loquemerevientadejapon.blogspot.com/2007/11/los-fantsticos-todo-cien.html with PgDn or mouse wheel. 10.53, Build 3381, Win 98SE

I can. Have you set the progress bar to pop up at the bottom of the page instead of inside the address bar?

Do you know what to look for by the way? The bug consists of the progress bar being pulled up (along with the page, while scrolling) for a very brief moment, and then it resettles back at the bottom of the page. Sort of like ghosting. I tried several times capturing this with printscreen, but I never manager to capture the bug happening.

Hades did (beginning of this topic). The progress bar ghost can reach the top of the page here.

Well, I tried it again, and I see the progress bar jumping up 2-3 lines before dropping back to the bottom if I scroll really fast. It's off the bottom for perhaps a 1/4 of a second, and this is a 400 mHz Celeron, not some 3.2 gHz dual core hot box.

The progress bar won't jump beyond about half the screen for me, but the jump is a barely visible flash for I'm guessing about 1/10th of a second. That's on an E6600. On 10.51 it would reach much better visibility, in the range of up to about half a second.

i suppose opera is just trying to be resource-saving by not regrowing the page to often while loading?
might be cause by perofrmance-methods, dnt you think so?

Whatever it is, 10.10 didn't have it.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Whatever it is, 10.10 didn't have it.

That's exactly my point. I don't like regressions.

Can confirm this - but I am on a rather slow office computer here too, never noticed it at home on my gaming computer.

Originally posted by ernesteban:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Whatever it is, 10.10 didn't have it.

That's exactly my point. I don't like regressions.

Then it is no regression.

The reason is probably the switching of the rendering engine to Vega. And Vega is now used to display more parts of the UI then in the previous versions. But I'm sure this will be fixed, but it's probably not very high on the list, as it is really only a minor display glitch...

Originally posted by Hades32:

Originally posted by ernesteban:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Whatever it is, 10.10 didn't have it.

That's exactly my point. I don't like regressions.

Then it is no regression.

A software regressions means "it used to work OK" rather than "it used not to work, then it got fixed, and now it's back to how it was."

Originally posted by Frenzie:

A software regressions means "it used to work OK" rather than "it used not to work, then it got fixed, and now it's back to how it was."

Well it depends on who you ask. (Also see the discussion site on Wikipedia)

Originally posted by WIKIPEDIA:

The term regression was originally used to refer to a change that caused a previously fixed bug to reappear and the software to thus regress to a prior, incorrect state. Regression test suites were accordingly composed of tests which tried to ensure the continued effectiveness of past bug fixes. However, the term has since evolved to its current, more general meaning of any change that breaks existing functionality.

I find the term in its more general meaning misleading... But I don't know of any better one :/

Perhaps it would be a "true" regression from, say, Opera 7, but I don't think that would be very meaningful to say. Anyway, regression might also just be used to mean retrogradation; that's not necessarily software-exclusive. By retrogradation I mean something like earlier or inferior, where earlier is also used in a sense somewhat synonymous with inferior. I'd say retrogression captures the full, exclusive meaning of returning to a previous state.

Um, anyhoo, bug are bad and we wants its gones!

Originally posted by Lonesome Bullet:

Win 98SE.

Man you are still living in previous century.

Now running 10.54 build 3386, bug persists. No differences noticeable when compared to previous builds regarding this bug.

edit: also now I tested on a more modern computer with an AMD triple core and 4GB ram, and still the bug is there. So it is not performance related.

i get this too with 10.54 3388. and sometimes the pop-up bar at the bottom just disappears from a tab. you have to clone tab to get the pop-up bar to show up again, or make a new tab. at least that is what i am experiencing.

10.54 build 3390, bug still there. Gogo, opera desktop team!

Bump, still happening in 10.70.

Originally posted by wyldkat:

Bump, still happening in 10.70.

Actually, for me this problem was gone and only recently reoccurred...

Can confirm this issue with Opera 10.60 and this thread. Scroll to the top, press F5 and scroll down, while it is still reloading. Although that issue is not that bad here. It stays in the near of the bottom.