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28. April 2010, 01:38:51

rshimada

Posts: 8

Annoyed with 10.52 in under 5 minutes

I'm running MacOS 10.5.8 on a MacBook.

It took me almost no time to notice a couple of annoying differences between 10.10 and 10.52:

Cmd-Click on a link: 10.10 opens a new tab with the link and switches focus to the new tab. 10.52 opens a new tab in the background.

Page Down, Page Up: 10.10 jumps a full screen. 10.52 scrolls to a full screen. (To jump a page in 10.52, I have to click in the scrollbar.)

28. April 2010, 04:08:18 (edited)

Macallan

Deviant from beyond the stars

Posts: 50590

Yeah, that 'soft scrolling' is annoying. There's probably a hidden option to turn it off somewhere.
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28. April 2010, 03:02:34

rshimada

Posts: 8

A couple of more things...

Trackpad scrolling in Twitter: 10.10 does not try to repaint the background while scrolling. 10.52 sometimes scrolls the background then paints it correctly. Try a page like http://twitter.com/wilw and scroll slowly.

Pulldown icons for history and search: 10.10 clicking will open or close the pulldowns. 10.52 only opens the pulldowns.

I am actually a big fan of Opera. Been using it since at least 2003 - even paid for it then! Though I am remembering why I usually wait for a build to be a few weeks old before downloading.....

28. April 2010, 04:12:05

Macallan

Deviant from beyond the stars

Posts: 50590

Originally posted by rshimada:

A couple of more things...

Trackpad scrolling in Twitter: 10.10 does not try to repaint the background while scrolling. 10.52 sometimes scrolls the background then paints it correctly. Try a page like http://twitter.com/wilw and scroll slowly.


Hmm, I can't reproduce that.

Originally posted by rshimada:

Pulldown icons for history and search: 10.10 clicking will open or close the pulldowns. 10.52 only opens the pulldowns.


Yeah, clicking the icon again closes and re-opens the menu. Clicking anywhere else closes it here though.
Equal opportunity blasphemist and insultant.

FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19

28. April 2010, 05:22:56

MoeGreene

Posts: 106

Originally posted by rshimada:

Cmd-Click on a link: 10.10 opens a new tab with the link and switches focus to the new tab. 10.52 opens a new tab in the background.



Tell me about it. I don't know what was broken before and why they had to change it... Now you have to cmd-shift-click to open a new tab in foreground. And it's not consistent either, holding cmd pressed while doing a search opens an tab in background and cmd-shift-click opens it in the background.

This along with the broken handling of links opened from external applications and the inability to move a tab on the tab bar without activating it are just some things that just worked before and now are annoying.

28. April 2010, 07:29:07

Opera Software

daniel

Mac product tester, Opera Software

Posts: 1287

Originally posted by rshimada:

Cmd-Click on a link: 10.10 opens a new tab with the link and switches focus to the new tab. 10.52 opens a new tab in the background.

This was changed to be in line with Safari and the other browsers on Mac. Hold Command–Shift–Click to open the tab in the background.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Yeah, that 'soft scrolling' is annoying. There's probably a hidden option to turn it off somewhere.

opera:config#scrolling

Originally posted by MoeGreene:

This along with the broken handling of links opened from external applications and the inability to move a tab on the tab bar without activating it are just some things that just worked before and now are annoying.

See this thread.

29. April 2010, 03:30:18

rshimada

Posts: 8

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by rshimada:

Trackpad scrolling in Twitter: 10.10 does not try to repaint the background while scrolling. 10.52 sometimes scrolls the background then paints it correctly. Try a page like http://twitter.com/wilw and scroll slowly.


Hmm, I can't reproduce that.


I reproduced on a 10.5.8 MacBook Pro. Maybe I mean medium speed - not slow, not fast.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by rshimada:

Pulldown icons for history and search: 10.10 clicking will open or close the pulldowns. 10.52 only opens the pulldowns.


Yeah, clicking the icon again closes and re-opens the menu. Clicking anywhere else closes it here though.


Using the Esc key works too. It's still a bug.

Originally posted by danaleks:

Originally posted by rshimada:

Cmd-Click on a link: 10.10 opens a new tab with the link and switches focus to the new tab. 10.52 opens a new tab in the background.

This was changed to be in line with Safari and the other browsers on Mac. Hold Command–Shift–Click to open the tab in the backgroundforeground.

Ew, that's too bad.

Originally posted by danaleks:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Yeah, that 'soft scrolling' is annoying. There's probably a hidden option to turn it off somewhere.

opera:config#scrolling

Thanks for the link! As you probably know, there is no Preferences > Advanced > Scrolling menu as described on the config help page.

29. April 2010, 03:46:53

rshimada

Posts: 8

Turning off Smooth Scrolling seems to have fixed the Twitter background scroll problem on both the MacBook and MacBook Pro.

29. April 2010, 04:57:55

Macallan

Deviant from beyond the stars

Posts: 50590

Originally posted by danaleks:

Originally posted by rshimada:

Cmd-Click on a link: 10.10 opens a new tab with the link and switches focus to the new tab. 10.52 opens a new tab in the background.

This was changed to be in line with Safari and the other browsers on Mac. Hold Command–Shift–Click to open the tab in the background.


It's annoying to introduce a feature and then having to change it to match the other, later implementations, isn't it?

Originally posted by danaleks:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Yeah, that 'soft scrolling' is annoying. There's probably a hidden option to turn it off somewhere.

opera:config#scrolling


Thanks!
Especially on older Macs ( like my 800MHz iBook G4 ) the 'soft' scrolling gets choppy and slow if there's any significant CPU load. Safari doesn't seem to have this problem though.
Equal opportunity blasphemist and insultant.

FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19

29. April 2010, 22:02:45 (edited)

gubo63

Posts: 1

Originally posted by danaleks:

Originally posted by rshimada:

Cmd-Click on a link: 10.10 opens a new tab with the link and switches focus to the new tab. 10.52 opens a new tab in the background.

This was changed to be in line with Safari and the other browsers on Mac. Hold Command–Shift–Click to open the tab in the background.


Hi,
that's what i don't understand: In this case Opera in not in line with Safari. In Opera Cmd-Shift-Click opens a new Tab in foreground, Cmd-Click opens a new Tab in the background.
By using Safari it's the other way round.

30. April 2010, 12:32:35

Boodlums

Posts: 131

Safari has a pref to toggle whether the new window or tab opens active, and the keystroke with Shift is for the opposite of whichever you set for your desired behavior.

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