To Opera Staff - I hate the New Opera Menu System

To Opera Staff - I hate the New Opera Menu System

Dear Opera,

I've been an Opera user for many years, and it has been my favourite browser despite it's continual crashing - but that's another day's story.

Nevertheless, I feel I must tell you how much I absolutely hate the new user interface. I think it's clunky, unintuitive, and hides all the familiar functionality that I need, and highlights things I do not want to see. It's annoying, and takes up space at the top of the toolbar, which I need to move Opera out of the way, evern 30 seconds. It gives a whole 'rickety' feel to the program.

No matter what I want to do now, it's hidden or missing, OR, if I can find it, it's at least one extra click away. This is very annoying, and similar to what Microsoft did with their Office software. The difference, however, is that Microsoft's changes succeeded in making Word easier to use. Opera was easy to use, and now has become a pain in the ass. The whole point of your company, and your program is that you are supposed to be smarter than the average Joe, and that your software is supposed to be better.

This software release has "new manager" written all over it. Dumb, dumb, dumb. There are SO MANY other things you could have been doing with your time other than this - it's messing with your own success. I expected better from you, Opera, I'm very disappointed. You're supposed to be the worlds fastest, most efficient browser, NOT Bebo or Facebook or Microsoft. You can't just change things around, just to be 'trendy' without giving people a choice, and you can't expect your popularity will continue if you do these silly things.

I want to switch browsers, if i can find an alternative. I QUIT!

Em

There's one upset dude!

How about just asking how to get things back to the way you want them? From the new menu, select "Show menu bar" or follow this tip to fix the button menu so that it shows the default menus — that way you save space and keep the old, familiar menus.

Originally posted by emmetor:

I want to switch browsers, if i can find an alternative. I QUIT!

Have you seen what FireFox 3.7 is going to look like? (Mozilla.org). Menu-less UIs are the way everybody's going.

If you like your browser with a conventional menu Opera may actually turn out to be the easiest to use.

I don't care what Firefox is doing or not. I really liked Opera as it was before.
Now everything is messed up.
It IS NOT intuitive anymore.
And just like emmentor stated - it IS a pain in the ass.
It lost it's fluidity when using it.
Even the quick search with the "." is worse. It appears at the top, is slow and moves the whole page - it's definitely a step backwards .

In this version Opera has lost almost everything that I liked and needed. If I don't get an older Version or a nice and simple button to switch it all back to the look and feel of the previous versions there is no way that I will use this browser any further.

Who are all these FF trolls who register just to whinge?

There is no one click solution, but it really is not that hard to change things. Why should anyone care whether you use the browser or not? This is a user2user forum, stop whinging and starting searching for solutions, or use another browser if that suits you better.

In the customise appearance dialogue, set the Find text toolbar and the Password toolbar to the bottom if that's better for you.

Originally posted by storytellerc24:

If I don't get an older Version or a nice and simple button to switch it all back to the look and feel of the previous versions there is no way that I will use this browser any further.

Originally posted by Pesala:

How about just asking how to get things back to the way you want them? From the new menu, select "Show menu bar"

You guys gotta stop calling people trolls just because they have some complaints! No way to run a company. Geesh. I don't agree with him on the menu thing. I kind of like the new method. But I totally understand how he could feel that way. Why would you call him a TROLL Pesela?

Originally posted by jcerious:

You guys gotta stop calling people trolls just because they have some complaints!

First post for each user. No attempt to address the issue before ranting. Either they registered just to rant, or registered with a new name just to rant. Therefore they are just trolling.

There are right and wrong ways to report problems. This is the wrong way.

Can you give specific examples, because I really dont have a clue what you're talking about. The menu system is pretty much exactly the same as it's always been.

Originally posted by jcerious:

You guys gotta stop calling people trolls just because they have some complaints! No way to run a company. Geesh. I don't agree with him on the menu thing. I kind of like the new method. But I totally understand how he could feel that way. Why would you call him a TROLL Pesela?

Please understand that there are not usually any Opera employees reading these forums. We are just Opera users who want to help other people if they act mature and really want help without accusing everybody else or threaten to leave.

We really do not care whether they use opera or not, but we think they will lose a lot if they do not persevere a bit to configure Opera to work for them.

>Who are all these FF trolls who register just to whinge?
You think yourself too much of the little buddha, mate, a bit too obsessed with yourself, what? Please do let users report about what they don't like, without making wild guesses at their intention. Thanks in advance!

>Even the quick search with the "." is worse. It appears at the top, is slow and moves the whole page - it's definitely a step backwards .
I agree that bottom placement should be made the default (just because top placement makes the page move)

I would say that the counter-intuitiveness many users feel with the new menu(-less) layout is that there are too many nested commands. On the one hand it means more functionality, but perhaps more functionality is not easily compatible with menu-less interface?
On the other hand, simple things are more difficult to access with the new, default interface - what I like the less, and the reason why I choose to keep the traditional interface, is that bookmarks are much less easily accessible with the mouse - you need to click to o menu, then find the bookmark sub-menu in the list, then finally find your bookmark - of course, you do reclaim screen space, but selecting a bookmark is longer so the trade-off is only appealing to laptop users with tiny screens (a category to which I belong, but I still prefer, nevertheless, the old way, because I rely very heavily on bookmarks).
Cheers

I have no argument with the issues — yes the find toolbar would be better at the bottom by default, yes the button menu is badly designed, and one of the first things I fixed for myself.

The issue here is about how to report problems in a mature way.
These trolling threads are a waste of energy.
Oke hit the nail on the head.

Originally posted by DieuBaZin:

On the other hand, simple things are more difficult to access with the new, default interface - what I like the less, and the reason why I choose to keep the traditional interface, is that bookmarks are much less easily accessible with the mouse - you need to click to o menu, then find the bookmark sub-menu in the list, then finally find your bookmark - of course, you do reclaim screen space, but selecting a bookmark is longer so the trade-off is only appealing to laptop users with tiny screens (a category to which I belong, but I still prefer, nevertheless, the old way, because I rely very heavily on bookmarks).

Cheers

Go to: Appearance... > Buttons > Browser and drag the Bookmarks button to your browser main bar

Anyone else see a pattern with these "long term Opera users" that they call themselves?

Member since: Apr 2010
Forum posts: 1

Yes, probably a fanboy-army from our browser-competitors.

>Go to: Appearance... > Buttons > Browser and drag the Bookmarks button to your browser main bar

Yes, you are right; but I meant the default is not practical. Maybe what you suggest should be the default?

>Please understand that there are not usually any Opera employees reading these forums

Actually, they do as they even sometimes participate - you can recognise them as they have "opera software" on they avatar.
I truly don't believe that the *form* of problem reporting should have more important than *content*... Saying "this is junk" has the same value as being very intricated in your post - in the end, it means you didn't like it and it usually says why you didn't like it, which is a cue to other users as they can offer alternative, and to (potential) devs. reading those forums.
It is indeed not our problem whether people use opera or not; but if instead of lecturing people on being polite (?!) we'd support (or deny) the *content* of the complaints, then maybe it'd be more efficient...

>Anyone else see a pattern with these "long term Opera users" that they call themselves?

Honestly, I think people have better things to do than lobby a forum.... even fanboys get bored with those things. And the forum counts mean nothing - I've been using microsoft products since before windows, and I have never participated in any microsoft-run forum (yes, they have forums!)... More likely, people who didn't have anything to say before were so annoyed that they felt the need to report it. So I don't really think it makes much sense to accuse newcomers to be fanboys, especially that they raise good point as in this post.

Cheers