The last straw - Rant

The last straw - Rant

I am sick of this. Really sick of this. I have been using Opera since it was a paid program. Yes I actually paid for it. And I was swearing by it. "Best program available!" I would always say. I would advertise it to my friends, colleagues, parents, even girlfriends. Whenever I would see someone using Firefox (I won't even talk about IE here) I would turn my head in disgust. I would install it on all of my computers, on computers of my clients and every computer at work I would have access to (I'm sys admin so that pretty much covers all of them). My parents got the taste of it to. If I was just a little bit crazier I would tattoo Opera on my arm - like that Zune guy
All in all you get the picture how much I love this browser.

But enough is enough! Everybody has a breaking point and this damn program just found mine. I don't know what happened behind the curtains in your company. I don't know who was fired, who quit and who was promoted from programmer to janitor. I don't know who transferred all of your funding from Opera Desktop to Opera Mobile. And I don't want to know. What I do want is browser that God Damn Works. Dear God. Random crashes are becoming a common thing in Opera. Opera that didn't crashed ONCE from version 4 to version 9.5 (or was it 8.5). Now it's happening couple times a week. MediaFire is working on every other release (9.0 but not 9.5, 10.0 but not 10.5) and God forbid I need to open JS heavy page, graph for all my 4 cores would dance happily for as long as that page is running. No not "that" page. Any damn heavy JS page. Google maps is like your worst enemy or what!? It hasn't been working properly since 9.0. Is that so frickin' hard!? IE can do it. FF can do it. Avant can do it. Hell Netscape can do it too! But not Opera! Because we just.don't.care. From 9.0 it wasn't working properly. I would be able to type in both addresses but when I want to "seal the deal" with the route those buttons just refuse to work. I think 9.5 was a brief moment of lucidity. It was working fine (for 2 weeks) but new update nuked it out of the sky! 9.64 and up didn't had the street view. I zoom and and a;; I see is blackness. Map is there but street view is in "lights out" mode. Just great! Now I'm on 10.51 and I can access Gmaps from Google but that's it. I can't click anywhere, I can't type anything. I have to go to IE (spit) just to find the address, and then I have to come back. What the hell!? Is it so hard to make JS work in this damn browser like it used to? And what is the fricking deal with that hourglass!? For the past 2 years Opera can't load a single page completely. There is always that one image chump that fails to load (53/54 images in the fricking status bar) that is Opera making wobbly over ("Wait there buddy... Still not loaded. 99% is not 100%. He he...")
Pages have been loading so slowly that I want to puke. I click on a link. And then we play the waiting game. Wait... Wait... Wait... In the mean time I would get tired of it, I would hit f5 for fair fight (I just restarted waiting game) copy URL, go to start menu, click on Chrome (which is opening like a notepad - measured in milliseconds), paste url and open the page immediately. While Opera is still in "Duuuuh what DNS should I use.... Duuuh.... Maybe I will go with a 240 Hz one. Yea that sounds right...".
Oh remember all those clients/relatives/girlfriends/coworkers that have Opera thanks to me? For the first time in years they have noticed that they are using Opera. You know why? Because it has been crashing like crazy! I get 5 calls a day about "that Opera thingy is crashing again". I'm talking more than 150 PCs ranging from 10year old Dells running XP up to i7 custom built servers of terror. I became Opera support center. Volumes have been so high that I might as well do that full time. All of this is happening because of my own stupidity (why do I want to improve/optimize everything!?) and because of declining quality of this program.
Only thing keeping me still using it is integrated feeds and mail (and by the holy magic beans where are notification settings for those popups? They keep poping up on my third monitor for God knows what reason) but in the light of my Android usability and general suckiness of Opera Desktop I am seriously considering moving to cloud (although I just hate not having copy of everything locally. Maybe go with thunderbird 3 + Chrome. Hm... Sounds like perfect combination...).

I would like for things to be operational (read Opera to be operational) but I fear that I have trusted you for far too long. I am waiting for one more update to fix all of this (yea right...) and then I'm jumping ship. Afterwards I will probably unleash generally bitter taste Opera left in my mouth through the blogosphere.

Thanks for listening, you've been a great audience.
Thank you!

Try Help, Check for Updates. 10.53 is the latest version. 10.51 had some issues, most of which are now resolved.

Open mouth, insert foot?

I never had crash since opera 10 prealpha, but I have to agree on googlemaps and some of the other issues.
But you have to give opera desktop team some credit, new version of opera is up almost weekly, trying their best to fix reported issues.

Funny, when I ranted for a mere short few sentences, it was deleted and I was sent an email from a no-reply address (in other words, we're not interested in your response or defense). I guess I'll get deleted again, but I plan on unleashing my displeasure on the blogosphere, as well. I have convinced so many people to move to Opera, I could almost have written the first post in this thread myself. It's very frustrating, but when I come here for help and the only response I can get is my posts deleted (or ignored), I would call that being FORCED to change browsers.

And this post will be called "inflammatory"... (sigh)

In that whole book-length rant, which I'm confident not a single person other than me read all of (I read it all just so you couldn't accuse me of not doing so), I saw only one two specific complaints: Google Maps don't work and pages keep loading. Both issues are addressed in 10.53.

@Pesala
I made a typo. I was on 10.52 version when I was typing first post. I did update now to 10.53. Google maps works now. But I am not getting my hopes up. I am just waiting for 10.54 to do a kill on that fix. We'll see about other stuff.

@dude09
Thanks for suggestion mate but I did clean install. On all my computers and on all other computers I installed Opera.

@TheEvolutionBa
You said it right. "Trying" to fix the issues. I am sick and tired of them "trying" to fix things. How about just fixing them?

@poorrichard01
Give the people some credit. ; )
Yes Google Maps, pages loading, stuck on hourglass, MediaFire, java script, crashes and new updates that seem to break stuff that was working before. It is not a short list mate...

I use a lot of software, as do most folks. I rarely update my working version of an app until the early adopters have given the update a green light. Same goes for Microsoft Security Updates--in spades.

So, as I sit here with Opera 10.10, reading about all the issues with the browser from version 10.5x forward, I'm wondering what the big deal is? Was 10.10 so crippled and lacking in functionality that everyone had to jump on the newer versions ASAP and then bitch incessantly about how screwed up it all is and how it's the last straw and "I'm done with Opera forever," and on and on.

Geez. Just roll back to 10.10, take a deep breath and let the developers get it all sorted out. I know these days it seems like a reputation is only as good as the last release, but a lot of us have been in Opera's corner for years, appreciating and cheering each new milestone. Yes, we have a situation, but it's just a stumble, not a catastrophic fall.

Why bail out now?

Fair point.
Though reply for any issue you would have is always "Update to a latest build".
And most of my complaints are not small errors that are appearing right now. Not just simple stumbles as you explain. It looks more like stumble stumble stumble stumble and stumble after stumble. "Death from a thousand paper cuts".

Speaking on the subject... can you maybe upload 10.10 on megaupload?

Originally posted by Dushmanius:

Speaking on the subject... can you maybe upload 10.10 on megaupload?

http://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/

Originally posted by ho72:

So, as I sit here with Opera 10.10, reading about all the issues with the browser from version 10.5x forward, I'm wondering what the big deal is?

I'm also pleased with 10.10 as I was with the 10 series since the first alpha release.

Originally posted by ho72:

I rarely update my working version of an app until the early adopters have given the update a green light.

You seem to forget or maybe do not know that the new Windows Browser Ballot Screen directed all new users to the so called 10.50 final whereas the 10.51 final was distributed through Opera's build-in auto update being a recommended security fix.

Originally posted by ho72:

Was 10.10 so crippled and lacking in functionality that everyone had to jump on the newer versions

Even so 10.51 was as buggy as the 1.50 final it contained some fixes for critical security holes affecting earlier versions too. Basically you are blaming the user for installing a security fix which is silly to say the least.

Originally posted by Krake:

Basically you are blaming the user for installing a security fix which is silly to say the least.

If I can wait for Microsoft's security updates to be "beta tested" by the willing masses, how compelling do you think a browser security update is going to be for me? Am I about to be overrun with malware because I run 10.10?

I don't think so.

In any event run whatever you want. It's a free country. At least where I live.

Fully understand the OP's view. All sorts of things failed in a simple upgrade to 10.5: ok for the beta testers but not for those of us who just want a good browser and an upgrade to keep our settings. Simple for instance: I upgraded my laptop while in France. Suddenly there's a new config setting for Google TLD and it's been set to google.fr despite all previous search settings for google.co.uk. Sooo I have to spend an evening trying to restore things to as they were.
And don't get me started on the address/search bar/server name completion fiasco...

The last working version for me was 9.5 or was it 9.54, since than only trouble, and my phone is also constantly ringing, customers, friends and so on, I always installed Opera even removed other browser and now it's biting me in the ass because Opera just won't work properly.

I also don't get it what went wrong but it seems to me that Opera is going M$ way, new features, new features, no Maintenance and the famous "It's not a bug, it's a feature"

I was Beta testing software before even Windows and NO ONE can release a beta and not even 24 hours later a full and stable version, this just doesn't work.
They rushed the release because of the M$ Browser choice but they didn't do themselves a favor.

In my opinion we are still beta testing Version 10 (I know the Version now is 10.53) because the problems came with Version 10 and just didn't go away but we have Unite, Turbo and the new JS Engine which doesn't work properly...

There is no use to claim to have the fastest browser on the Planet if you can't use it properly and you need a second browser to get on all pages. You know for People like me/us that's just annoying but not really a problem, for People like my customers this is a problem, they don't give a shit about what browser they are using, it has to work, always.

You know, I have the feeling there is no point in complaining in the forums because I think no one of the Opera Stuff is really reading this because if they would they would see that the people are constantly complaining since version 10.

Lol Checking_for_update_10.53.JPG

I don't think I am the only other relatively blissful user for some years. I was excited about the voice and then shrugged off losing that. Then, with 10.51 I found myself searching out some answers and possibilities here on this board.

I bid adieu to 10.52 as a real hell week and look forward to a less than beta form of update. My feeling is that Opera was trying to cram in the best of the best in and did a pretty good job of the overall shell but the development this past month has been no less than frustrating for many (I'm sure developers for all browsers have headaches as well).

From reading posts from Google groups (for instance) it seems to be not just anyone but everyone developing unity for all.

We must endeavor to persevere, I guess

Well, pity a dial up user who bothered to download it.

There are still connection problems with a lot of sites I visit and it seems almost universal until I reload a bunch of times. I have a feeling some of my other lesser issues are still unchanged

So it is

What was that about 'descriptive' thread titles?

Originally posted by dude09:

Seems like there are a lot of unsatisfied customers lately...

Who all mysterriously all claim to be "long term Opera users", and all registered for a Opera account only very recently and have post counts of 1...

It's not hard to see the number of nordic trolls have increased ever since Opera whipping started Chrome and Firefox's ass in every regard... It seems American fanboys get rather upset when they are not making the best things anymore... (Toyota, Sony are good examples of this)

I'd been using Opera for a while before I became a member of this forum, although probably no more than about 1 to 1.5 years.

Originally posted by mgillespie:

Who all mysterriously all claim to be "long term Opera users", and all registered for a Opera account only very recently and have post counts of 1...



It's not hard to see the number of nordic trolls have increased ever since Opera whipping started Chrome and Firefox's ass in every regard... It seems American fanboys get rather upset when they are not making the best things anymore... (Toyota, Sony are good examples of this)

Not really, I'm not new to the forum and not new to Opera, I just don't like to register anywhere not only Opera, as I stated in my post (not this thread) I hate Firefox, I would never use Chrome not to mention IE. I'm using Opera for long time now but I just didn't have the need to post in the Forum and since I'm not using Opera Sync, why should I register..

And just for the record I'm from Austria.

LordRayden
Btw. Posts like yours are more hurting Opera then doing good. Posts like this are usually a beginning of a "flamewar " plus in my opinion if you are good you don't have the need to make others bad and if you do then you are afraid of the others and not so sure about yourself after all, and I don't think that Opera needs that, they used to be better than all the rest and there are going to be it again...

@mgillespie
Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.

Oh and of course


The best way to deal with flamers like you is simple ignoring. And that you will get from me from no on.
Have a nice day. : )

My Only rant in latest opera(10.53)is turbo

although im on broadband connection im still using turbo because im a heavy downloader(turbo makes my browsing experience easier)

turbo keeps sending data from this site(operaturboBETA.opera-mini.net) or something like that)(BETA...how long developers will keep the beta phase of turbo...unless they are testing on something i dont know about..)

in 10.10 it was global turbo which works fast

also turbo beta works on my side(but slow loading..or slow connecting on the beta phase)

still opera is my main browser of choic(2nd IE8 and nothing else)

im hoping here for a final and stable release of opera TURBO

Hi all,
just to say, I mostly agree with poster's complaints.
My desktop Opera somehow automatically updated from 10.00 to 10.51 about 1-2 months ago and then troubles began.
Just for the record, I also have installed Opera on pretty much all of my friends' PCs, praised this cool fast simple browser
absolutely everywhere...
I'm using Opera daily for at least 11 years, so I think I'm not making an overstatement if I say - 10.51 was huge disappointment. And yes, I registered to this forum just after this trouble started, cause I needed some advice on it.

Currently I backed out to 10.10 and I will probably just wait for 11.0 or even 12.0 before I test my luck again.

Constructive suggestion:
- Don't follow Microsoft trends or fashion "waves" - like: Oh, Windows has new gigantic circle in left-top corner instead "File" menu in Office? Lets do it on Opera too, must be a brilliant idea to complicate end-user's life
- Don't focus on eye-candy user interface, especially if it makes browser slow, and on brand new powerfull PCs (few gigs of RAM, few Ghz CPUs)
- Keep it simple and fast