HTML5 h.264 support for windows 7/OSX

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1. May 2010, 15:14:04

ViperAFK

Posts: 332

HTML5 h.264 support for windows 7/OSX

Things aren't looking good for theora sadly, and the most popular sites like youtube only support h.264, and Microsoft also announced IE9 will also only support h.264, and A Patent Pool Is Being Assembled to Go After Theora sad

Opera will be left behind without support for h.264. Windows 7 and OSX include h.264 decoders so opera would not have to pay license fees to utilize it on those platforms, I think opera should include h.264 support for them.

Should opera add h.264 support for html5?

Option Results Votes
Don't Care result bar - $percentage % 3% 2
No result bar - $percentage % 30% 18
Yes result bar - $percentage % 67% 41
Total number of votes: 61

1. May 2010, 15:18:41

Hades32

What I use:

Posts: 1917

Well, I voted yes, but I don't want it be be bought by Opera. This would be big waste of money which could cost US USERS many features or bug fixing...

Linux already can play H.264 with the current GStreamer implementation.

I know there is some DirectShow plugin for GStreamer for Windows. This should fix this problem for Windows Vista/7 Users. Users of older Windows versions could easily get some free codec.

As for Mac: I don't know if there is some GStreamer-QuickTime bridge... But I guess there is.

The very big PRO of this approach would be, that every platform could use its own video hardware acceleration!
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1. May 2010, 15:21:45

ViperAFK

Posts: 332

Yeah thats why I suggest it for 7/OSX. They both include fully licensed decoders out of the box. If opera could make use of those they wouldnt have to pay fees.

1. May 2010, 15:28:56

earth01

Posts: 70

I think we have to wait : Google, which owns Youtube, is privately testing the VP8 codec for videos in youtube.
In fact, it may not be theora or H.264 but VP8 (which had made free by Google) that will probably become the new video codec standard.

1. May 2010, 15:41:36

DanielHendrycks

STEM loving liberal

Posts: 2632

Originally posted by ViperAFK:

and A Patent Pool Is Being Assembled to Go After Theora


And Steve Jobs is an idiot, he doesn't know if one is being assembled.

Originally posted by ViperAFK:

Should opera add h.264 support for html5?


No, wait for Google I/O; there should be an interesting announcement.

1. May 2010, 15:49:07

Isoik

Posts: 65

I'd rather prefer that they implement the soon to be open source VP 8 codec, which is much better than H.264. As an alternative ogg theora is great.

6. May 2010, 17:56:47

ViperAFK

Posts: 332

Yeah but I highly doubt MS will go and adopt VP8 and unfortunately they still carry a ton of weight, same with apple.

6. May 2010, 19:56:31

war59312

Posts: 77

x264 is not going away.

So please do!!!
God Bless America

6. May 2010, 21:12:27

Isoik

Posts: 65

The power lies in the hands of Google, because of Youtube. If they keep supporting H.264 then Firefox and Opera will stand no chance at all, so eventually Opera and Firefox and will have to bow down. For now I hope VP8 & theora win.

7. May 2010, 00:37:38

benryves

Posts: 80

On the one hand, it would be quite nice if Opera could use DirectShow on Windows so it would support whichever codecs the user had installed. This also would allow for the use of filters like ffdshow which can be used to perform useful operations on sound and video (e.g. improved upscaling, artefact removal and noise reduction).

However, this may end up being a support nightmare as dodgy codecs can wreak havoc on a user's machine (there was a time where nearly every piece of software I tried that used MPEG-2 in some capacity ended up installing buggy or trial versions of MPEG-2 decoders, which meant that unrelated pieces of software started crashing or displaying watermarks until I uninstalled or at least reduced the merit of those new codecs).

In an ideal world it would be nice to use open standards, but h.264 is here for now, so I voted Yes.

7. May 2010, 05:18:59

max1c

Posts: 58

Obviously it should, and obviously this is not as easy done as said.

7. May 2010, 19:48:58

ViperAFK

Posts: 332

Originally posted by benryves:

On the one hand, it would be quite nice if Opera could use DirectShow on Windows so it would support whichever codecs the user had installed. This also would allow for the use of filters like ffdshow which can be used to perform useful operations on sound and video (e.g. improved upscaling, artefact removal and noise reduction).

However, this may end up being a support nightmare as dodgy codecs can wreak havoc on a user's machine (there was a time where nearly every piece of software I tried that used MPEG-2 in some capacity ended up installing buggy or trial versions of MPEG-2 decoders, which meant that unrelated pieces of software started crashing or displaying watermarks until I uninstalled or at least reduced the merit of those new codecs).

In an ideal world it would be nice to use open standards, but h.264 is here for now, so I voted Yes.



Yes, but with windows 7 the need to install "codec packs" and the like it greatly reduced with windows 7 as it plays every most common format out of the box (xvid, h.264 ect..)

13. May 2010, 06:36:03

alexey-u

Posts: 20

+1 for support of all the variery of installed system codecs

28. August 2010, 14:35:56

ViperAFK

Posts: 332

Something that makes this an even better idea is windows vista is soon to get h.264 support in an update like windows 7 has out of the box. So if opera were to take advantage of this it could have h.264 support in both vista and 7.

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