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10.53 driving me nuts -mail and browser
Must be a Mac issue.The darn thing is running just fine on my PC laptop (Vista, home edition).
First, the automatic install collapsed everything on the Mac. Opera crashed during update, and wouldn't launch again.
In the end, a clean install cured that. End of part one.
So, it will work on a G5 PPC iMac running Tiger (OS 10.4.11) - of sorts.
Problems:
1/ It takes over a minute to launch. Processor saturated, "Opera does not respond" - though it does in the end.
2/ More processor saturated (I run the CPU gizmo from activity monitor): beach ball galore using keyboard commands (copy-pasting link on forum and the likes, shutting a window, opening a new tab).
And the keyboard only responds after some 10 seconds when starting a new forum message for example. The window opens, you start typing, nothing happens, then suddenly, the text appears. Delayed reaction. If you don't interfere for, if you do, it takes that much longer again to get some result.
3/ M2 nightmare with Gmail! No longer connects via POP. Don't even mention send or receive.
With a lot of patience again, making sure you don't run anything else, don't touch anything, don't have any other window open, it will, eventually, set up IMAP accounts.
But then, it won't send from them. No way. I tried both SMTP port settings for Gmail without any luck.
As I had completely lost some 6 years worth of mail - including professional - on my work computer, I tried to set up Gmail for IMAP on the PC (which, so far, wasn't set up for mail at all). In a matter of minutes, it was all there, and it does send from the very same SMTP port setting that won't work on the Mac. Both Opera 10.53 and M2 running a treat.
Additional aggravation, when working with IMAP folders on the Mac, I get the delayed keyboard reaction too.
No such thing on the PC.
Is it just me?
Is something cooking to cure all that?
Any bright ideas anyone?
Plenty more time where it comes from...
Sorry to contradict.
I've been using Gmail and collecting my mail from its server to bring it home via POP for some years now.
With M2, and Eudora before that. Mail software.
Had no problem with either of them until yesterday morning and the unfortunate auto-update.
Look up on the Gmail server, the settings are all there for POP mail, with a variety of software.
Whatever it "uses", it works via POP. Your bad.
You may criticize, but I'm afraid you're not contributing anything very useful either.
Thanks for nothing.
I've been using Gmail and collecting my mail from its server to bring it home via POP for some years now.
With M2, and Eudora before that. Mail software.
Had no problem with either of them until yesterday morning and the unfortunate auto-update.
Look up on the Gmail server, the settings are all there for POP mail, with a variety of software.
Whatever it "uses", it works via POP. Your bad.
You may criticize, but I'm afraid you're not contributing anything very useful either.
Thanks for nothing.
Plenty more time where it comes from...
Opera M2 is set for IMAP on the Mac [G5 -Tiger latest - plenty of RAM].
It only took hours (literally), and various failed connections to the Gmail server, before it managed to gather useful info on my iMac.
As opposed to no more than a few minutes when I tried the same thing on my PC laptop.
On the Mac, Gmail IMAP is slow, dysfunctional, and it will not send.
On the PC, it is fast, works fine and sends.
With the exact same settings. The exact same connection from home.
On the Mac, I get the same problems with IMAP mail as I do when browsing - all keyboard actions delayed. Almost freezes of Opera due to over use of CPU. The activity monitor shows CPU at 100% use for a good long time. I get the beach ball all the time.
No such delay on the PC laptop.
Unfortnately, working from the PC laptop is not an option. All my professional tools are on the Mac destop machine, Mac only for the most part, and I do need reliable e-mail software for work.
It would appear to be a Mac - machine type and/or system version issue.
I'm still hoping for a solution…
It only took hours (literally), and various failed connections to the Gmail server, before it managed to gather useful info on my iMac.
As opposed to no more than a few minutes when I tried the same thing on my PC laptop.
On the Mac, Gmail IMAP is slow, dysfunctional, and it will not send.
On the PC, it is fast, works fine and sends.
With the exact same settings. The exact same connection from home.
On the Mac, I get the same problems with IMAP mail as I do when browsing - all keyboard actions delayed. Almost freezes of Opera due to over use of CPU. The activity monitor shows CPU at 100% use for a good long time. I get the beach ball all the time.
No such delay on the PC laptop.
Unfortnately, working from the PC laptop is not an option. All my professional tools are on the Mac destop machine, Mac only for the most part, and I do need reliable e-mail software for work.
It would appear to be a Mac - machine type and/or system version issue.
I'm still hoping for a solution…
Plenty more time where it comes from...
That's a strange situation, I have the same configuration (gmail/IMAP) on my iMac and have no problems at all 
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Originally posted by danawinds:
What kind of Mac?
PPC or Intel?
What version of the OS?
It might just make all the difference.
I'm on an Intel iMac running Snow Leopard 10.6.3. Opera 10.53 8343. Everything's (about) right
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Actually with OP Opera/9.80 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X; U; en) Presto/2.5.24 Version/10.53 M2 and Gmail work fine together under POP3. You can set up your Gmail account as a POP3. See: https://mail.google.com/mail/h/13kvy0mouhcxu/?v=prfap and have a nice day!
Well, 10.10 isn't exactly as lightning fast as it was advertised (the beta was, btw). The endless beachballing is something I know too well, trying to switch tabs, or windows, or type something ... and I only have 7 windows and 22 tabs open ^^ It also has this "amusing" feature where when you're typing fast in say a web-gmail message, accented characters (e.g. Option-e e) are inserted with higher priority than already queued characters; hilarious results guaranteed! Haven't been able to reproduce that one yet with 10.5x though.
There must be a little troll inside, that falls asleep on top of some internal socket or something, from time to time
There must be a little troll inside, that falls asleep on top of some internal socket or something, from time to time
We have a new development snapshot which should fix this problem:
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/05/05/startup-crashes-be-gone
1. Backup your computer (for example using Time Machine)
2. Download the snapshot and run it
3. If it works properly, try right-clicking Opera and choose Show Package Contents
4. Go to Contents/Resources/ and delete the file PrefsSuffix
5. Run it again (this will upgrade your install, bringing back bookmarks and settings)
Please report back if any of your are still encountering problems.
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/05/05/startup-crashes-be-gone
1. Backup your computer (for example using Time Machine)
2. Download the snapshot and run it
3. If it works properly, try right-clicking Opera and choose Show Package Contents
4. Go to Contents/Resources/ and delete the file PrefsSuffix
5. Run it again (this will upgrade your install, bringing back bookmarks and settings)
Please report back if any of your are still encountering problems.
I was anticipating this release. Noticed the beta was floating for a few weeks or so.
Since I heard favorable things, I decided to engage the flashing sign that popped up
when I started up Opera 10.10.
I use a Powerpc mac Mirror Drive Door dual 1ghz with 2gb ram.
I use exclusively OS 10.4.11.
I would not recommend using the current build on anything under 10.5x.
The installer crashed to begin with, just at the end of the install.
When firing up Opera 10.53, it chugged, spun and the good ol' beach ball appeared!
It did open after 3 tries (2 unexpected crashes)
I wanted to just get the feel of the build.
It didn't look like the right build for this machine. Even all my appearance settings
were disposed of!
Flashblock didn't work anylonger, pages were doing weird things (sorry not too descriptive)
and when loading pages, the browser window would "blink" like almost look like it is going to crash
but then stalls and then loads. I have not seen something like that since the old OS 9x days.
Luckily when I dragged my Old 10.10 back into the folder and threw 10.53 to the trash,
all is well again.
(REMEMBER FOLKS JUST IN CASE ALWAYS BACK UP YOUR PRECIOUS WORKING
BUILDS BEFORE YOU TRY AN UPGRADE.>I WAS LUCKY EVERYTHING WAS IN TACT)
All things come to pass, and this is an innovation my machine wasn't built for. I like speed
consistency and sustainability. I remember when you could use flash
on an "oldworld" machine. The only thing different now is the overlay of product placement
and corporate ads that add to the weight of web content.
Why are the so called new standards in place, to standardize obsolescence?
Yah, everyone advertises improvements for security measures, but why does everything slow
machines down while tell you you need a faster machine?
Since I can still create ALL media content anyone can see on the web with still a computer from 1999
(my other computer, the G4 Sawtooth) albeit with some longer processing times, why is it
at the point you cannot VIEW that content when made for the web? The web at this point
should have been refined to a sharp point of simple, no frill execution, or at least, have all the tools
to make it that way at your disposal, without having to wade around into archaic menus or obscure
web sites for tips.
I know the tangent went off the point of the 10.53 release, but I have to say it is correlated
in the sense of me scratching my head going, "why isn't this build more efficient, and lighter than
the previous coded material?" has anyone done a word count of how much code is used?
To go out and buy a new computer with double speed and ram is maybe how to achieve
a painless experience, but why should we have to do that, when it is always done first
by efficiency in coding. Believe me, I understand lack of standards has a huge part to play.
To be honest,for me and my family Opera is the best browser I use. I'm not knocking the stuff. It's just sad
when people get locked out of the so called progress loop, just because they can't
play catch up due to monetary restraints, and logical means (realizing you should not HAVE to upgrade when things work)
especially like I mentioned, since I can produce/create content on a 10 year old machine. I could
actually still use my PowerPC9600 for most tasks I get paid for too, it would just take me twice as long.
Not bad if you are getting paid for that extra time ! hahah. Anyways,
so far Opera has been amazing, and save me time which saves me money and you can't
gripe the gracious fact it's free. Thanks for the hard work.
That was just my 2 bits of bytes.
I can't say anything to add about the Gmail Issue, I access my gmail though POP on apple Mail.
Oh, and I motion, this build is not meant for anything under 10.5 on a mac. !
(but I don't know if you are running an Intel with 10.4x..i'm using Powerpc)
Since I heard favorable things, I decided to engage the flashing sign that popped up
when I started up Opera 10.10.
I use a Powerpc mac Mirror Drive Door dual 1ghz with 2gb ram.
I use exclusively OS 10.4.11.
I would not recommend using the current build on anything under 10.5x.
The installer crashed to begin with, just at the end of the install.
When firing up Opera 10.53, it chugged, spun and the good ol' beach ball appeared!
It did open after 3 tries (2 unexpected crashes)
I wanted to just get the feel of the build.
It didn't look like the right build for this machine. Even all my appearance settings
were disposed of!
Flashblock didn't work anylonger, pages were doing weird things (sorry not too descriptive)
and when loading pages, the browser window would "blink" like almost look like it is going to crash
but then stalls and then loads. I have not seen something like that since the old OS 9x days.
Luckily when I dragged my Old 10.10 back into the folder and threw 10.53 to the trash,
all is well again.
(REMEMBER FOLKS JUST IN CASE ALWAYS BACK UP YOUR PRECIOUS WORKING
BUILDS BEFORE YOU TRY AN UPGRADE.>I WAS LUCKY EVERYTHING WAS IN TACT)
All things come to pass, and this is an innovation my machine wasn't built for. I like speed
consistency and sustainability. I remember when you could use flash
on an "oldworld" machine. The only thing different now is the overlay of product placement
and corporate ads that add to the weight of web content.
Why are the so called new standards in place, to standardize obsolescence?
Yah, everyone advertises improvements for security measures, but why does everything slow
machines down while tell you you need a faster machine?
Since I can still create ALL media content anyone can see on the web with still a computer from 1999
(my other computer, the G4 Sawtooth) albeit with some longer processing times, why is it
at the point you cannot VIEW that content when made for the web? The web at this point
should have been refined to a sharp point of simple, no frill execution, or at least, have all the tools
to make it that way at your disposal, without having to wade around into archaic menus or obscure
web sites for tips.
I know the tangent went off the point of the 10.53 release, but I have to say it is correlated
in the sense of me scratching my head going, "why isn't this build more efficient, and lighter than
the previous coded material?" has anyone done a word count of how much code is used?
To go out and buy a new computer with double speed and ram is maybe how to achieve
a painless experience, but why should we have to do that, when it is always done first
by efficiency in coding. Believe me, I understand lack of standards has a huge part to play.
To be honest,for me and my family Opera is the best browser I use. I'm not knocking the stuff. It's just sad
when people get locked out of the so called progress loop, just because they can't
play catch up due to monetary restraints, and logical means (realizing you should not HAVE to upgrade when things work)
especially like I mentioned, since I can produce/create content on a 10 year old machine. I could
actually still use my PowerPC9600 for most tasks I get paid for too, it would just take me twice as long.
Not bad if you are getting paid for that extra time ! hahah. Anyways,
so far Opera has been amazing, and save me time which saves me money and you can't
gripe the gracious fact it's free. Thanks for the hard work.
That was just my 2 bits of bytes.
I can't say anything to add about the Gmail Issue, I access my gmail though POP on apple Mail.
Oh, and I motion, this build is not meant for anything under 10.5 on a mac. !
(but I don't know if you are running an Intel with 10.4x..i'm using Powerpc)
Thanks for the rant,Oatstao. I feel very much the same way.
Fed up to the gills with the increasing weight of websites – all of us don't have bandwidth to spare.
I do have dsl - but slow (512, folks). The guy down the road won't have it unless French Telecom changes the actual physical lines.
Fed up with the wasteful rat race too.
My machine is only four years old, and it works fine.
I still need to run classic apps for work, so a system update to 10.5 is not an option. And neither is a MacIntel, really. (Not to mention the fact that money doesn't grow on trees…)
I feel rather let down with this latest Opera update as it has been my web software since version 4, and my mailer since version 7 gave us M2 on the Mac.
Opera 10.53 does work - of sorts - on my G5 with OS 10.4.11.
But with some rather annoying bugs - all keyboard actions delayed is a real handicap.
The snapshot didn't do it for me. It was so slow launching from the disk image, I preferred not to risk catastrophe again.
I've wasted enough working time on this.
It's tools, we're talking about. Professional tools for some of us. Not games.
A hammer does not get obsolete until well and truly broken.
Fed up to the gills with the increasing weight of websites – all of us don't have bandwidth to spare.
I do have dsl - but slow (512, folks). The guy down the road won't have it unless French Telecom changes the actual physical lines.
Fed up with the wasteful rat race too.
My machine is only four years old, and it works fine.
I still need to run classic apps for work, so a system update to 10.5 is not an option. And neither is a MacIntel, really. (Not to mention the fact that money doesn't grow on trees…)
I feel rather let down with this latest Opera update as it has been my web software since version 4, and my mailer since version 7 gave us M2 on the Mac.
Opera 10.53 does work - of sorts - on my G5 with OS 10.4.11.
But with some rather annoying bugs - all keyboard actions delayed is a real handicap.
The snapshot didn't do it for me. It was so slow launching from the disk image, I preferred not to risk catastrophe again.
I've wasted enough working time on this.
It's tools, we're talking about. Professional tools for some of us. Not games.
A hammer does not get obsolete until well and truly broken.
Plenty more time where it comes from...