Is java plugin now required????

Is java plugin now required????

Web100 NDT java speed tests do not work with 10.53 which I just installed. They work fine with an old 10.0 I have and worked with 10.10.

The popup says I need the java plugin to view java content! ????? Since when has Opera needed a java plugin?

Opera 10.5x uses the Java plugin like other browsers, while older versions interfaced directly with the Java runtime environment.

Thanks for the explanation.

Then why does the Help file say I don't need it? Help file should be updated.

Where do I get it? i have the plugin for Firefox. It won't use that?

Originally posted by Mele20:

Then why does the Help file say I don't need it?

What help file? Where? What is the exact wording?

You can't just make wild claims about help files. You need to link directly to whatever you are talking about.

That information is now out of date, as of v10.50 Java is now implemented via a plugin.

That's why the OP said "Help file should be updated."
& I agreed, the Help file should always reflect the latest changes in 10.5x...
So that when new user look up for helpful info, they will get accurate information instead of false & misleading instruction.

Originally posted by dude09:

That's why the OP said "Help file should be updated."
& I agreed, the Help file should always reflect the latest changes in 10.5x...
So that when new user look up for helpful info, they will get accurate information instead of false & misleading instruction.

Thank you. I appreciate that you understood. When the Java box at the NDT website said I needed a java plugin, the first thing I did was go to Opera Help because it was news to me that Opera now needs a plugin for Java. Opera Help said that no plugin is needed. Then I came here to ask why Java doesn't work. I should not have been jumped on by others here and I really appreciate that you "got it".

I later right clicked in the java box but that is not somethng I would ordinarly think to do and there is NOTHING in Opera Help files about doing that. Anyway, when I did that, I got a pop up that said I needed a java plugin and would I like to know more about it. I clicked yes. Guess what I got. An Opera Help page that has ZERO on it about java for Opera for Windows. It has a link to Java for Linux though.
http://www.opera.com/support/kb/plug-ins/page1/

Somewhere I read that the same plugin that I have for Firefox now works with Opera. Is this true? Why doesn't that right click on the java box, instead of sending me to a irrelevant Opera Help page, send me instead to a Java download page?

I don't have the latest version of Java on this machine and I do NOT want to upgrade the version I have which works fine with IE and Fx. So, I ask again, how do I get Java to work on Opera 10.53? Does Java refuse to work on Opera now unless the latest version of Java is installed? The version I have works just fine with Opera 10 (that I am typing this on because of the screwup AGAIN with login to MyOpera on 10.53) and worked fine with 1010 also. So, how do I get it to work with 10.53?

Mele20,

I had a problem with Java not working on one computer with WinXP after the upgrade to 10.51. It has had several versions of Java & Opera over the years. After I solved the problem that caused it not to work, I posted in a couple of other threads. On one occasion, it helped another user.

What caused 10.51 & Java not to work for me was there were three Java .dll files in two directories. Removing older versions fixed it. You should upgrade because there have been security issues that have been fixed.

Here are some items to check:
1. Control Panel > Java > Advanced > Java Plug-in should be enabled.

2. Preferences (Ctrl +F12) > Advanced > Content: Enable plug-ins should be checked.

3. opera:config#Java Java should be enabled.

4. Opera plug-in path in opera:config#User%20Prefs could be something like:
C:\Program Files\Opera\program\plugins;C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\plugins;C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\

5. Check path to Java in opera:plugins could be similar to:

Java Deployment Toolkit 6.0.200.2
application/java-deployment-toolkit
C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\plugins\npdeployJava1.dll

Java(TM) Platform SE 6 U20
application/x-java-applet;version=1.6
. . . (long list)
C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\npjp2.dll

There should only be one npjp2.dll in \Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\ If there are any in \Program Files\Opera\program\plugins\ , close Opera and remove them. I have 3 plug-ins in the Java \new_plugin\ directory: msvcr71.dll (version 7.10.3052.4), npdeployJava1.dll (6.0.200.2), and npjp2.dll. (6.0.200.2). You can test Java here: http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp and press the Verify Java version button. This link should load a Java applet that shows the time moving in seconds: http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Eastern/d/-5/java

For additional comments, see these threads: Java problems after installing 10.51 Opera and Java - Problem

Originally posted by dude09:

Originally posted by prd3:

What help file? Where? What is the exact wording?

You can't just make wild claims about help files. You need to link directly to whatever you are talking about.

http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/459/
http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/375/

That's not a help file. That's a knowledge base. And my point still stands: He should have explained exactly what he was seeing, and where. A vague reference to "help files" is quite useless.

You are splitting hairs. When I click my mouse on "Help" on the File toolbar, I get a drop down menu with the first choice being Opera Help. Why would I be expected to know that is NOT Opera Help? Rather it is Opera Knowledge Base?

Originally posted by Mele20:

You are splitting hairs. When I click my mouse on "Help" on the File toolbar, I get a drop down menu with the first choice being Opera Help. Why would I be expected to know that is NOT Opera Help? Rather it is Opera Knowledge Base?

The point is that you should link directly to where you are seeing something, not just make claims about what some vague "help file" is saying.

Originally posted by choope:

Mele20,

Here are some items to check:
1. Control Panel > Java > Advanced > Java Plug-in should be enabled.

2. Preferences (Ctrl +F12) > Advanced > Content: Enable plug-ins should be checked.

3. opera:config#Java Java should be enabled.

4. Opera plug-in path in opera:config#User%20Prefs could be something like:
C:\Program Files\Opera\program\plugins;C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\plugins;C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\

5. Check path to Java in opera:plugins could be similar to:

Java Deployment Toolkit 6.0.200.2
application/java-deployment-toolkit
C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\plugins\npdeployJava1.dll

Java(TM) Platform SE 6 U20
application/x-java-applet;version=1.6
. . . (long list)
C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\npjp2.dll

There should only be one npjp2.dll in \Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\ If there are any in \Program Files\Opera\program\plugins\ , close Opera and remove them. I have 3 plug-ins in the Java \new_plugin\ directory: msvcr71.dll (version 7.10.3052.4), npdeployJava1.dll (6.0.200.2), and npjp2.dll. (6.0.200.2). You can test Java here: http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp and press the Verify Java version button. This link should load a Java applet that shows the time moving in seconds: http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Eastern/d/-5/java

Thank you for that great post! I was able with your help (and that of a longtime Opera user on 98SE at dslreports.com) to figure out the problem.

The path is not correct. I don't have a file called npjp2.dll. I have npjpi160_07.dll instead.

From what I learned at dslreports thread is that the ONLY version of Java that will work with 10.5x is the VERY LATEST. I will NOT upgrade past the old version I have which works fine with Fx and IE. By keeping the old version, I am avoiding the latest major security issue.The exploit doesn't work on versions before .10 I believe it is. I have .7. I have later versions on virtual machines and they are vulnerable to the exploit. But it is not just that reason to not upgrade. Java is almost as horrible as Flash Player as far as getting it to work correctly and in not ending up with a lot crap still on the computer from other versions. I am clean currently. No other versions on here cluttering things. This computer is over four years old and I will not risk messing it up with some piece of crap latest version of Java when my other browsers work fine with the version I have. I only use Java for this NDT speed test and for my MySpeed Advanced application that I own. I do NOT own the latest version of this application and I am not about to screw it up also by installing a version of Java that will probably work only with the latest version of MySpeed Advanced. I don't have the money for the upgrade fee besides I prefer the classic version ....latest MySpeed I don't like the GUI.

I will have to uninstall 10.53 and reinstall 1010. I wish Opera had made it very clear before I upgraded from 1010 to 10.51 that I was making MAJOR CHANGES in Opera and had shown me a list. I would NOT have upgraded had I known that the Opera I loved and admired is no more since 10.5+.

The irony here is that I got really tired of Mozilla developers constantly making ugly, large changes to Firefox. The amount of time I had to devote to plugging the privacy issues in Fx3+ became not worth it along with having to install extensions to fix the Awful bar so it was like Fx2's and so many crap changes in Fx3+ needing fixing to be like earlier versions. I don't like IE but at least Microsoft is not constantly making major changes to the browser but goes at a yearly pace. Opera used to not rapidly go from version to version either and did not make major changes constantly. Since I don't like IE, but like the slower pace of changes with it, I started using Opera more during 9x versions. Then along came an alpha for 10 and I installed it and discovered the joys of Unite. (That is the one major change in Opera that I like). But then Opera started with the too rapid, major changes versions that are unstable and buggy...not anything like Opera in the past where changes were not radical and released versions were stable when offered and not many bugs. Opera appears to have decided to imitate Firefox, in this regard, and that is what I was wanting to get away from.

I understand that you have other reasons for not wanting to update Java, but just for your information, the Java vulnerability has already been patched and it is not present in the latest version (see http://www.oracle.com/technology/deploy/security/alerts/alert-cve-2010-0886.html). On the other hand, as a Java developer I can tell you that Java applications are always forward compatible, unless they are designed REALLY badly. Any Java application from the last century (Java versions 1.1 and such) will work on the latest version of the VM. The only case in which this might not happen is if an application has a bug that for some reason doesn't manifest in some versions of the VM and does in others.

I agree with you that Opera should have warned more about major changes from 10.10 to 10.5x. 10.50 was a rushed and unpolished release and they shouldn't have announced it as a "stability update". However, it's getting better, 10.52 works fine for everything I do.

Originally posted by Mele20:

I will NOT upgrade past the old version I have which works fine with Fx and IE.

The irony here is that I got really tired of Mozilla developers constantly making ugly, large changes to Firefox. The amount of time I had to devote to plugging the privacy issues in Fx3+ became not worth it along with having to install extensions to fix the Awful bar so it was like Fx2's and so many crap changes in Fx3+ needing fixing to be like earlier versions.

Don't upgrade to Fx3.6. Java does not work with it either unless you have Java version 6 update 10 or newer.
http://www.java.com/en/download/faq/firefox_newplugin.xml
In November 2009, the Mozilla Foundation will release version 3.6 of their popular internet browser, Firefox. Starting with Firefox 3.6, Java-based applications will NOT work unless you are running Java version 6 Update 10 or newer.

Originally posted by Mele20:

Mele20,
But then Opera started with the too rapid, major changes versions that are unstable and buggy...not anything like Opera in the past where changes were not radical and released versions were stable when offered and not many bugs. Opera appears to have decided to imitate Firefox, in this regard, and that is what I was wanting to get away from.

Opera is on a feature/patching roll and that IMO calls for multiple releases over a short time period so users can provide valid
feedback because a program is only as good as feedback both negative and positive.

Keeping your OS, apps, plugins, and firmware up to date also goes a long way in keeping your computers hardware/programs functioning correctly.
Also in providing accurate feedback I would bet that any developer is basing bug patching on users running updated
systems not SP1, SP2 but no SP3 or having an old version of java, flash etc... That at least makes sense to me. Feedback provided
based on non-updated programs is IMO only going to lead to bad patches being released.

Does anybody know why i cant get Xm radio to stream now since all the recent updates?

Originally posted by Mele20:

Originally posted by choope:

Mele20,

Here are some items to check:
1. Control Panel > Java > Advanced > Java Plug-in should be enabled.

2. Preferences (Ctrl +F12) > Advanced > Content: Enable plug-ins should be checked.

3. opera:config#Java Java should be enabled.

4. Opera plug-in path in opera:config#User%20Prefs could be something like:
C:\Program Files\Opera\program\plugins;C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\plugins;C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\

5. Check path to Java in opera:plugins could be similar to:

Java Deployment Toolkit 6.0.200.2
application/java-deployment-toolkit
C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\plugins\npdeployJava1.dll

Java(TM) Platform SE 6 U20
application/x-java-applet;version=1.6
. . . (long list)
C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\npjp2.dll

There should only be one npjp2.dll in \Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\ If there are any in \Program Files\Opera\program\plugins\ , close Opera and remove them. I have 3 plug-ins in the Java \new_plugin\ directory: msvcr71.dll (version 7.10.3052.4), npdeployJava1.dll (6.0.200.2), and npjp2.dll. (6.0.200.2). You can test Java here: http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp and press the Verify Java version button. This link should load a Java applet that shows the time moving in seconds: http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Eastern/d/-5/java

Thank you for that great post! I was able with your help (and that of a longtime Opera user on 98SE at dslreports.com) to figure out the problem.

The path is not correct. I don't have a file called npjp2.dll. I have npjpi160_07.dll instead.

From what I learned at dslreports thread is that the ONLY version of Java that will work with 10.5x is the VERY LATEST. I will NOT upgrade past the old version I have which works fine with Fx and IE. By keeping the old version, I am avoiding the latest major security issue.The exploit doesn't work on versions before .10 I believe it is. I have .7. I have later versions on virtual machines and they are vulnerable to the exploit. But it is not just that reason to not upgrade. Java is almost as horrible as Flash Player as far as getting it to work correctly and in not ending up with a lot crap still on the computer from other versions. I am clean currently. No other versions on here cluttering things. This computer is over four years old and I will not risk messing it up with some piece of crap latest version of Java when my other browsers work fine with the version I have. I only use Java for this NDT speed test and for my MySpeed Advanced application that I own. I do NOT own the latest version of this application and I am not about to screw it up also by installing a version of Java that will probably work only with the latest version of MySpeed Advanced. I don't have the money for the upgrade fee besides I prefer the classic version ....latest MySpeed I don't like the GUI.

I will have to uninstall 10.53 and reinstall 1010. I wish Opera had made it very clear before I upgraded from 1010 to 10.51 that I was making MAJOR CHANGES in Opera and had shown me a list. I would NOT have upgraded had I known that the Opera I loved and admired is no more since 10.5+.

The irony here is that I got really tired of Mozilla developers constantly making ugly, large changes to Firefox. The amount of time I had to devote to plugging the privacy issues in Fx3+ became not worth it along with having to install extensions to fix the Awful bar so it was like Fx2's and so many crap changes in Fx3+ needing fixing to be like earlier versions. I don't like IE but at least Microsoft is not constantly making major changes to the browser but goes at a yearly pace. Opera used to not rapidly go from version to version either and did not make major changes constantly. Since I don't like IE, but like the slower pace of changes with it, I started using Opera more during 9x versions. Then along came an alpha for 10 and I installed it and discovered the joys of Unite. (That is the one major change in Opera that I like). But then Opera started with the too rapid, major changes versions that are unstable and buggy...not anything like Opera in the past where changes were not radical and released versions were stable when offered and not many bugs. Opera appears to have decided to imitate Firefox, in this regard, and that is what I was wanting to get away from.

you have things backwards, the latest version fixes security issues not the older one fixes security issues. and it is always a good idea to have the latest java version but only keep 1 version and remove the rest and reboot after removing java to remove files that are in use. the only time you may need an old version(s) is when you have an app that simply won't work with the latest version(they are rare)i know it's a pain to have to uninstall/reboot/install but having the latest java will fix any security issues that were found.

Does anybody know why i cant get Xm radio to stream now since all the recent updates?

So Opera 10.53 + Windows 98 SE + Java 1.5022 (or something) = No Java in Opera?

I hear that 10.53 uses a plugin whereas formerly it was not needed. The latest version of Java that can be installed in Win 98 doesn't install plugins for Opera because it knows that Opera 9 doesn't need them. Could one just copy a Firefox plugin to the Opera dir maybe? Or edit plugin-ignore.ini which says to ignore java plugins (odd if now it is supposed to use them)?