Atheist v/s Christian views.

Atheist v/s Christian views.

Well, this is a story about two neighbours. One an atheist and the other a Christian. The former was always critisizing the latter, trying to convince him otherwise.

One day the Christian had financial problem and he prayed to GOD "Dear Father, I have no money and no food! Help me Lord." The atheist heard him pray and he devised a plan. So, he went to the grocery store and bought groceries for his neighbour without him knowing it. Early in the morning, he left the groceries at his neighbours door and went back home.

Soon afterwards, the Christian came out and found groceries in his front door. He happily shouted out, "Thank you Father for responding to my prayer!" The atheist came out with a slip showing him that he paid for the food. "Now, are you saying I'm your god? I heard your prayer."

The Christian said,"Thank you Lord for providing me with all the resources I need!" and he looked at his neighbour and said, "And thank you for letting the devil pay for them." And he smiled.

Just gets to show you that you can't change them two types.

Anyway, I don't know what happened next. Just thought we can share this.

Tizz.

Originally posted by grysmn:

If you are truly representative of Mexicos teachers, I can see the reason for it's present social and political state.

I teach businessmen and women, not social workers nor politicians.

Originally posted by grysmn:

Generally abusive personalities miss use what they believe to be verbal machismo to compensate for their lack of manhood that would not even partially satisfy a flea. Abusive teachers berate their charges in a classroom, and are utter cowards elsewhere.

Nonsensical babble. An alternative - a person providing such low quality content, with so much misuse of context, and with so many gross factual errors, who cannot substantiate anything they produce in a debate will eventually attract ridicule instead of discussion, as the later is a pointless exercise that this aforementioned person is unable to competently put into practice.

Due to their shockingly low intellect, they may then mistake this for verbal machismo etc.



PS. The law of averages applied to your argument may not work in your favour, as there is a 97.5% chance that my penis is actually larger than yours.

Originally posted by garydenness:

I teach businessmen and women

Judging by Mexico's economy, students would do well to look elsewhere for economic guidance.

Originally posted by grysmn:

Judging by Mexico's economy, students would do well to look elsewhere for economic guidance.

Judging by this statement regards Mexico's economy, which is based on sound principals and was not affected directly by the economic crises of late (but indirectly thanks to the foolishness going on north of the border) you would do well not to comment on economic matters. Clearly you know as little regards international economies as you do regards religion, Christianity, Islam, etc etc.

That you are also displaying ignorance regards what I teach is besides the point, but an added black mark on your record of observational skills!

Not enough FSM threads

looking. closely

it appeared the quote atheist quote,was tempting and devicing a scheme,that he even mcked that person in need of sources to the point of saying,'r u saying I'm your father'
mockery,tempting,devicing schemes,and the smurf smirk
I don't get it what was his intention as fellow neighbors

for the quote Christian quote,I think the degree of his great necessary made him seem the obviousness of the matter aforementioned at hand recognizing the degree of the scheme and.device the atheist(a disrespect to the scientific community on social human relations and the branch of human extension-what growth....) spew at him
what other definition would you prefer on the joker,who.shatters in pieces a humble. pious God loving man in deathly need
was the quote atheist quote trying to abolish his faith,saying were is your God,I got you the money(I mean thanks though even though regardless of your twisted forthcoming I got what I needed no offense)
unwantingly the atheist fullfilled a moral value even not believing,unknowingly.he the absolute morality-less was carrying out a moral value but in his twisted form,since all of our hearts depend on them no matter beliefs
fullfilled the man's desire and need

what should you call the atheist in this manner of situation
that you figure it out.

just a view point from me

So atheists are immoral and only show morality by accident?

Morals do not need any verification from a divine being. it is wrong to steal, kill, damage someone, ect. with or without god saying so.

but along that line of thinking... god never said you could go to the bathroom... so consider how obvious acts are stand alone credible and justifiable while you are holding it in.

(no offense)

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

looking. closely

it appeared the quote atheist quote,was tempting and devicing a scheme,that he even mcked that person in need of sources to the point of saying,'r u saying I'm your father' mockery,tempting,devicing schemes,and the smurf smirk............

I noted your remark of a couple of days ago that you wished none harm and that you were not vindictive. Good for you, I take that as a welcome assurance. So thank you.

So, not as a personal remark, I ask you to consider the OP and the little joke that it included. The joke was set up, and the story made up, with the joke line already in mind, to give the opportunity to equate an atheist with the devil. That was the intention of the joke.

So read your sentence again, quoted above, and you can reflect that whereas you refer to a fictional story, the joke itself was made by a real person and with the intention of mocking an atheist.

I think perhaps that many religious people do not fully appreciate how insulting their attitude is to the non religious, or those of a different faith. Continually the religious mock those that do not believe as being sinful or in line for going to hell. All of that is mocking, all of that is insisting on the absolute truth of their faith to the exclusion of anything else.

It is hardly surprising that threads like the one about Hell result in ridicule.

But I must say that the atheist has an advantage in all of this. Whereas a Christian, for example, might feel insulted (without probably knowing why) to be reminded that Jesus was a surrogate baby, an Atheist is not nearly so concerned about the threat of Hell because he does not believe that such exists.

In a way it a war of insults that the religious cannot win in discussion, they fight against an indifference and since they can never offer proof of their convictions, they are bound to fail. Maybe that is why some religious fundamentalists so often resort to violence to get their point across be it "Christians" murdering doctors to protect life or "Muslims" flying aircraft into buildings to show how great their Prophet was.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

just a view point from me

Perhaps the old brain should be kicked into gear?

String points out the obvious, but no doubt you will ignore it:

Originally posted by string:

I ask you to consider the OP and the little joke that it included. The joke was set up, and the story made up, with the joke line already in mind, to give the opportunity to equate an atheist with the devil. That was the intention of the joke.

So read your sentence again, quoted above, and you can reflect that whereas you refer to a fictional story, the joke itself was made by a real person and with the intention of mocking an atheist.

I think perhaps that many religious people do not fully appreciate how insulting their attitude is to the non religious, or those of a different faith. Continually the religious mock those that do not believe as being sinful or in line for going to hell. All of that is mocking, all of that is insisting on the absolute truth of their faith to the exclusion of anything else.

but I wasn't trying anything harsh

I was joking

but true did point out the stage of the man who's atheist and the man who's Christian

also I did say the atheist had morals

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

but true did point out the stage of the man who's atheist and the man who's Christian

it's one perspective and one possibility. (that is if i even understand the point of that gobbledygook)
you can form stories to make whatever point you want... they call it propaganda sometimes too. i can think of many other names for a unsubstantiated story about the poor Christian who lost his faith . I guess removing a delusion isn't as bad as it seems. you can experience so much more awe and promise in how things work and what is possible when you let go of your need to have a imaginary friend who looks over you and "knows" you, but does nothing.

after all lets be real, religion is selfish. you claim to believe and care and help and worship, and on some level you may. but deep down, and you'll never admit it out loud, but you only do it to make the big guy happy with you and to feel good about how everyone you don't like is going to hell cause you are going through the motions of a good little worshiper. LOL! so whats the morality of doing anything for the wrong reason... fake like truths you claim, values you promote and ideas you conceive about reality. all fake and misguided leading to jealousy between factions because everyone wants everyone else to goto hell while they get an imaginary pat on the head. this is tearing the world apart just as it has for thousands of years keeping us from moving on into an age of great discoveries and hope for all of mankind. the only hope that religion has ever given is false. When you drop your fear of the unknown and accept you can make a difference in your own situation things move along faster and you don't have to feel lost. cause you're not sitting around waiting for some answer that never comes.

okay then... guess that covers that. (rant complete)

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

but I wasn't trying anything harsh

I was joking

but true did point out the stage of the man who's atheist and the man who's Christian

also I did say the atheist had morals

Apart from the fact that you have missed entirely the point of the discussion, you just wrote (above):

"I did say the atheist had morals"

What you actually wrote was:

"(the atheist) ......unwantingly the atheist fullfilled a moral value even not believing,unknowingly.he the absolute morality-less was carrying out a moral value but in his twisted form....."

Eventually, in exchange of opinions (discussions it is meant to be) one reaches a stage where it is pointless continuing. This comes when issues are not responded to, or distorted, implying unwillingness or inability to engage. The above is an example; there have been others; too many IMHO.

Enough.

sorry
ill Change my writings
though didn't know someone would get emotional
your assertion towards me wad good,but its false
but I guess is how I wrote them
ok,pls get me on this one
I was joking
stating a truth
used an assertion
which the reality of my saying was that the man who is atheist had a moral value,in which commonly some don't believe,and served the Christian's prayers,but also the man who prayed responded to the man who's atheist's actions were wrong

and I do know what's been conveyed,'there's any different in both',only that one claims humility which would discredit his proclaiming religion

.....unless I miswrote things again.

also indeed God hates sin and sinners,and will punish them
but I cant judge your life since I don't know God words over you,or know you
but we bring the message which is the good news that saves us from God's wrath.

so am Sorry ill check my words next

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

also indeed God hates sin and sinners,and will punish them
but I cant judge your life since I don't know God words over you,or know you
but we bring the message which is the good news that saves us from God's wrath.

You should try to see the evil in your ways my friend:

Originally posted by Annie Dillard:

Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"

Very funny! Someone who never caught a cold (common cold also known as flu) cannot comprehend what catching a cold is. To be spiritual means having spiritual experiences and without that, this simply means the so called believer won't know what is said!

Just inasmuch as one negates the existence or the supremacy of the divine, it is pointless to debate the contrary. However one cannot debate financials with one who never had a financial education! So, the same rule (common sense) applies on the topic at hand.

Keep it simple.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Very funny! Someone who never caught a cold (common cold also known as flu) cannot comprehend what catching a cold is.

What nonsense! Are you saying that only a doctor that has had cancer is qualified to treat it?

I can debate finance with a financier, all I need to do is study the subject, and investigate it myself. I don't have to have faith in the power of The Almighty Dollar.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Someone who never caught a cold (common cold also known as flu) cannot comprehend what catching a cold is.

Influenza-like != influenza. Anyway, what you're trying to say (assuming you're not sprouting complete nonsense) is that you can't know completely what the experience of catching a cold is like if you've never caught it. That's something quite different from comprehending what a cold is.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

However one cannot debate financials with one who never had a financial education!

Unless you're using education in a very broad sense (i.e. you can't debate finance unless you know at least a little bit about it), of course you can.

Oh! Frenzie.

Keep it simple.

Sprouting nonsense is more your style. Are you debating or just throwing a personal attack? Give me a reason to doubt your intellect.

Make a valid point, not sarcastic comments! anyway just keep it simple.

Or maybe you want to be complicated

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Very funny! Someone who never caught a cold (common cold also known as flu) cannot comprehend what catching a cold is. To be spiritual means having spiritual experiences and without that, this simply means the so called believer won't know what is said!

Very funny, someone who doesn't believe he is Napoleon can't comprehend what the guy in the padded room is saying, ergo psychiatrist are just swindling millions of dollars of gullible people for treating things they absolutely can't know. Makes a lot of sense.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Make a valid point, not sarcastic comments! anyway just keep it simple.

I'll do it for you: God did it is simple, anything else is complex, apply Occam's razor and you have proof that God did it. Those who don't understand are over complicating things, end of the debate, folks, time to move to a different topic.

Personal attack: you're sprouting nonsense.
Not a personal attack: you're sprouting nonsense, because... (unless the because is something along the lines of "you're a big fat jerk")

To put it more explicitly: you don't have to have experienced something to comprehend it. You do have to have experienced something to know completely what experiencing it is like, but that doesn't mean you can't comprehend it. You don't have to have received a formal education in something to comprehend or master it either.

For a while there, I thought it was retard anonymous
Had to double check if I was in the right forum.
Let's not debate or discuss the obvious
Remember to always keep it simple.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Remember to always keep it simple.

Then why are you trying to complicate things by positing that a whole different form of experience must be attained before a discussion can be attempted?

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Let's not debate or discuss the obvious

It's quite hard to debate when the opposing side is posting smiley's in response to things posted, or personal attacks like retard anonymous.

So Thabotaytizz, are you going to bother to prove YHWH's existence yet, or will you continue to stonewall and swerve?

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Remember to always keep it simple.

That pretty much is your standard response to any debate or discussion that you participate in but don't understand.

Can I suggest a new tag line?

Keep it nonsensical. Alternatively, 'Keep It Shut' would work well too.

hello Nick! Still waiting for someone to prove the existence of your beloved YHWH? Wait if you may. Or go ask them jews(the world's most hated) and maybe they can tell you something (as if you don't already know?) about YHWH.
Or go ask the catholics(why did they spread the hate for jews or is it the jews who demanded the crucifiction of Jesus? But the roman empire carried out the execution!) if they know the whole truth.

Any way who am I to know?
Sorry Nick I'm just as puzzled as you.
*waiting for some kind of inspiration*

Originally posted by garydenness:

That pretty much is your standard response to any debate or discussion that you participate in but I don't understand.

Can I suggest a new tag line?

Keep it nonsensical. Alternatively, 'Keep It Shut' would work well too.

Nothing is complicated!

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Still waiting for someone to prove the existence of your beloved YHWH?

That's pretty funny, beloved and YHWH being side-by-side.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Or go ask them jews(the world's most hated) and maybe they can tell you something (as if you don't already know?) about YHWH.

I'm sure they can. If I was them and had their mindset, I would question why YHWH had a flashback to the OT and allowed hitler to to what YHWH himself is so famous for?

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Or go ask the catholics(why did they spread the hate for jews or is it the jews who demanded the crucifiction of Jesus? But the roman empire carried out the execution!) if they know the whole truth.

There are a laundry list of problems with that, considering the C.C. is very good at suppressing information they do not know or want to be known.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Any way who am I to know?

A christian of course. You all "just know" but never bother to explain how you lot "just know".
Then you turn around and want to whack the rest of us around the head with your rubbishy and shoddy selective morality and want to put your god in everything.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

*waiting for some kind of inspiration*

How is "Help from Above Ministries" going?

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Nothing is complicated!

Not when analysed by a simple mind!

okay!

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Very funny! Someone who never caught a cold (common cold also known as flu) cannot comprehend what catching a cold is.

Just because you can't comprehend things you don't experience first hand ( by the look of it that's a lot of things ) that doesn't mean nobody can. Also, the common cold is not the same as the flu, you may want to look it up some day.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Remember to always keep it simple.

Then why are you trying to complicate things by positing that a whole different form of experience must be attained before a discussion can be attempted?

What he means is 'keep it dumb'.

Macallan

One more person I missed and that will make the welcoming committee

Keep it simple

Another note: send my regards to the oldtimer! He really needs to be in the wee club. Have a heart if you are still the emperor!

Keep it simple still remains my signature.

true on Hitler
I wouldn't say anything
just me,I think he missed the message of grace,and not receive it with humility, and when his own ways

But just don't get it why does someone feel unease when. a Christian say God hates dislikes,abhors,detest sin and sinners
But God still loves people,even that sinner
you know the person who made that statement was a sinner,he received the message and now He testifies of God's power and mercy,love,but true he also teaches God's holy commands,and God's holy fear.
I mean,how does this go,who believes this stuff.
and that's one point from me.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

true on Hitler
I wouldn't say anything
just me,I think he missed the message of grace,and not receive it with humility, and when his own ways

But just don't get it why does someone feel unease when. a Christian say God hates dislikes,abhors,detest sin and sinners
But God still loves people,even that sinner
you know the person who made that statement was a sinner,he received the message and now He testifies of God's power and mercy,love,but true he also teaches God's holy commands,and God's holy fear.
I mean,how does this go,who believes this stuff.
and that's one point from me.

what? if i had to put a picture with that for visual aid, it'd be a picture of a dog chasing his tail.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

and that's one point from me.

I'd say that it's a thicket of points...at least that's the best I can do with it.

you are probably minded by the hearings of the ones who.told you other things, Christians that is,and me a Christian is expected to do the same.
maybe I sound weird,but I said,God is holy and will judge sinners,but God has provided the way to be right with him,and live they life he wants us to live
am I going to judge you

ill stick out for a while,though I'm not being mean,I may sound wrong in writing.
am I going to say do not commit adultery,or murder
when Jesus said once hooked you're hooked
if your heart is still good you can obey the commandment,and try fleeing the wrong doing
But if you can't,how can you?
that's why is called good news.
Jesus came for the sick and not the healed
when you do something good God backs you up,but if you are rooted in it,God has a way to get you out.

the message is come,believe and obey Jesus,God's Son,and you will love God,and receive the gift of righteousness.
of course unless someone say,what would I want that...?
and that will be the gist.
also note that I'm not referring to the thread,but some responses that were made before.

also I'm open minded,and have ideas,theories,hypotheses,thoughts,questions,wonders,whys,how,what's?
but I seek the why and like to know the how
when I have these questions.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

maybe I sound weird

that's a fact.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

but I said,God is holy and will judge sinners,but God has provided the way to be right with him,and live they life he wants us to live

I said your source is not creditable...

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

they life he wants us to live

No, the way you're taught what is written in that book determines how you've been manipulated to live. the fact is the good hides the bad. You get fooled into believing someone is looking out for you understands you even if no one else does and will serve justice on your behalf while preserving your essence. now after the stage is set then suddenly god wills this war or that to stop or this to happen and now you are under the control of what some MAN deems to be gods will. blindly following anything presented in the proper format regardless of the facts.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

ill stick out for a while,though I'm not being mean,I may sound wrong in writing.
am I going to say do not commit adultery,or murder

because someone wrote down some obviously wrong deeds and said Jesus said it doesn't mean it's divine. someone with an open mind would realize that. and bring more to the point, wouldn't you think?

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

Jesus said once hooked you're hooked

really now?

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

if your heart is still good you can obey the commandment,and try fleeing the wrong doing
But if you can't,how can you?

closed minds only see one solution.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

the message is come,believe and obey Jesus,God's Son,and you will love God,and receive the gift of righteousness.
of course unless someone say,what would I want that...?

maybe you do have a open mind of sorts... you seem to believe all kinds of crazy things with little more than the word of one book... maybe not objective or logical or reasoned, but open to whatever is presented in a overly dramatic and blissfully exaggerated form of archaic mind control.

religion and god have had more than enough time to make good on some of the promises made. hell jesus wasn't even right about armageddon. isn't that a big red flag??? all you Christians believe god will destroy his creation that he loves so much and protected yet let get so bad he wanted to destroy it and knew the whole time that's what was gonna happen. so all this the good and the bad is what your god wants...
...or this he isn't there and the bible is an attempt for rulers throughout history to control the masses and persuade people to die for them.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

also I'm open minded,and have ideas,theories,hypotheses,thoughts,questions,wonders,whys,how,what's?
but I seek the why and like to know the how
when I have these questions.

sit back down, saying you are something doesn't make it true and having poorly conceived ideas and opinions doesn't make you a philosopher. Instead of trying to prove god... try to disprove him. If he is really there you should come to the same conclusions you already have, tho with a much greater understanding of what you believe. as it stands you don't understand why you believe what you believe, cause you've yet to have an original thought on the subject. look in to where the stories come from and if you should believe another interpretation even. it is possible for anyone to develop a open mind, but hearing something and giving the standard 'out the book' response is just your religious programing they try and make you think it's an open mind though, it's part of the whole charade.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

and that's one point from me.

I'd say that it's a thicket of points...at least that's the best I can do with it.

I sure see the thicket but no points.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

also I'm open minded,and have ideas,theories,hypotheses,thoughts,questions,wonders,whys,how,what's?
but I seek the why and like to know the how
when I have these questions.

OK guys let me tell you something... like a story but not exactly a story... an edited version of the 'perfect' bible...

One day God got bored so he created Eve and Adam, Eve and Adam are such good kids and his bored, so he created this 'special fruit tree' and put it near Adam and Eve, saying DON'T EAT THIS OR YOU'LL BE PUNISHED YOU UNDERSTAND ME YOU TWO SLAVES? So they obey, then the 'evil' snake which is Satan went and 'tempted' those two to eat a fruit. God do nothing he just watch the snake tempt them, and the meanwhile eating pop corn. After Adam and Eve have eaten one bite God appear and are like WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING EATING MY FRUITS, GO NOW AND NEVER COME BACK, MUHAHAHAHAHA...

Moses kill more people then we ever have

The crusades killed more people then Moses and killed innocent people as well

A average person kills no one

God killed a lot when he flooded the world, he promised not to do it again and use a rainbow as to show the world that he is honest. So there are still heavy rain flooding some certain area making them homeless, and his like opps sorry let me get my rainbow out.

And when we try to build a tower to be better then him he got angry and change all our language, he should appreciate that he created such an intelligent race instead of being so evil and change their language because he want to be the BOSS.

You can use an excuse that God have gave us free will, but according to the Bible rules God is perfect so he can tell the future, he knows we will betray him and he made us that way, he made us to be weak and according to you guys 'tempted easily'. So God have a sick sense of humor and he just created us for the fun and watch us, so if God is real that it means God is evil and Satan is justice as Satan fight for our freedom and makes us rebellious to God.

The truth about God and the Bible doesn't match, when I was first Cristian (because my family is, not my dad though because his more open minded) I was shocked when they teach me what did God do, unlike other kids, the miracle thing did not distract my mind, and it's obvious some other kids out there are shocked about the stories of at least how many people those religious figures have killed and how the Bible contain violent stuff like killing a none catholic. So if God is real he is evil and Satan is justice, if he is fake then MY GOD who create the universe.

Say if I play assassin's creed 2, it's design is fun and it's obvious it's not created by accident, and it's obvious someone designed it.

Say if I watch porn, OMG my dick is hard what's happening, very complicating, so I'll go with God is real but he is not the way, his just some sick old asshole with a insane sick and fucked up sense of humor.

Just in time. I thought I'd heard it all.
**sigh**

Originally posted by Jaybro:

I thought I'd heard it all.
**sigh**

Indeed.

Those who live in houses of glass must not throw stones! Atheist know more about christianity than the so called 'average christian' and I'll give credit where it is due. You guys got it all figured out!

Tell us more about this religion of yours. The only thing you do is bible-bashing and criticism! Okay, say there was no christianity! Atheists won't have a leg to stand on.

Spaghetti monster? No, that's an octopus! Doh! Who prays to an octopus?
*evil smile*
Invisible pink unicorn? You mean a horse with a horn? C'mon. What have you been smoking? I guess it is a horny horse who pretends to be invisible ashamed of being gay! That's where the pink comes from.
ROFL.

You know we secretly answer to the Master of R'lyeh. The FSM is just his friendly PR face.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Those who live in houses of glass must not throw stones! Atheist know more about christianity than the so called 'average christian' and I'll give credit where it is due. You guys got it all figured out!

Tell us more about this religion of yours. The only thing you do is bible-bashing and criticism! Okay, say there was no christianity! Atheists won't have a leg to stand on.

What a load of nonsense. Please go read it again and try not to facepalm. Ask yourself:
* Since when is lack of religion a religion? Do you not breed rabbits as a hobby?
* How does lack of religion depend on christianity? Did it ever occur to you that there are other religions which are just as nonsensical? And without religion everyone would be an atheist. ( man I can't believe I have to tell you this )

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Spaghetti monster? No, that's an octopus! Doh! Who prays to an octopus?

Please put that crack pipe away. PLEASE.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Invisible pink unicorn? You mean a horse with a horn? C'mon. What have you been smoking? I guess it is a horny horse who pretends to be invisible ashamed of being gay! That's where the pink comes from.
ROFL.

A unicorn that's invisible and pink. I suggest you educate yourself before making yourself look even more like D&D's village idiot.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

You know we secretly answer to the Master of R'lyeh. The FSM is just his friendly PR face.

You were not supposed to tell anyone

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

You know we secretly answer to the Master of R'lyeh. The FSM is just his friendly PR face.

You were not supposed to tell anyone

Oh snap!

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

You know we secretly answer to the Master of R'lyeh. The FSM is just his friendly PR face.

You were not supposed to tell anyone

Oh snap!

I'm sure He will take care of it the usual way - send them some nice dreams that drive them completely insane, reducing them to jibbering idiots that nobody can make any sense of MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!one!!!

That reminds me, how would you translate Einstufenknopflöcher? The Master wants to know. To me it sounds like button locker settings or something, which seems meaningless.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

That reminds me, how would you translate Einstufenknopflöcher? The Master wants to know. To me it sounds like button locker settings or something, which seems meaningless.

Single step button holes? Makes no sense to me either. Sounds like your typical bad machine translation from korean or something - which user manual did it come from?

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Okay, say there was no christianity! Atheists won't have a leg to stand on.

Actually we would have two legs to stand on.
Without religion, we would just be what we have always been......humans. Nothing more, nothing less.
It is religion's pompousity, arrogance, etc that has resulted in us being called Atheists.
We can not and will not be tied to the same stuff you all are, so we have to be called the opposite of what you lot are.
You lot are theists, we are atheists. It's really not that hard to understand.

Wheras you all revel in being in a religion that you all think brings you comfort, it's history is one of violence, bigotry, misogny, homophobia, etc.
You all are nothing more than mafia wives, enablers in other words.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Spaghetti monster? No, that's an octopus! Doh! Who prays to an octopus?
*evil smile*

Prove that your god isn't a Spaghetti Monster.
Prove that he isn't a an octopus.
Oh, that's right you can't because he doesn't exist. He isn't here for you to prove otherwise.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Invisible pink unicorn? You mean a horse with a horn?

Yes, that is what unicorns are.

"Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of great spiritual power. We know this because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them." — Steve Eley

http://www.amazon.de/AEG-679-Premium-Line-Nähmaschine/dp/B0017TNDY8

Originally posted by Frenzie:

http://www.amazon.de/AEG-679-Premium-Line-Nähmaschine/dp/B0017TNDY8

Ah, in that context - probably attachments to do button holes more or less automatically.

Alright, makes sense.

Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin Al-Ma'rûf and forbid Al-Munkar ; and they hasten in (all) good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are Al-Muttaqûn .
(Koran 3:113-115)

Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . [Qur'an 2:62]

And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in God and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before God. They do not sell the Verses of God for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, God is Swift in account. '(Koran 3:199)

For a starving person, spaghetti is a diety until after a meal. invisible beings can't be seen by a naked eye unless you are out of it

what would a horny gay horse do? At least Neptune could do something for fishermen. ROFL

@DANBUZU - are you giving a sermon?

How about starting a holy quote thread. I'm sure it would be appropriately popular.

"Never dance with a one-legged woman," saith the Lord.

Balance is all.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

what would a horny gay horse do? At least Neptune could do something for fishermen. ROFL

If you can't see the satire in both deities, you should re-examine your religious beliefs.

Oimmanis I'm not judging anyone
so ill say you got me wrong
I was just saying that if you got the laws and logics down do a mathematical regression finding and connecting algorithms

if you see a bird moves and you want to study the algorithms of its movements you accumulate data partaing all of the birds permutations,outcomes,weird orders and sequences

you find patterns,strings,finite sets,etc...

as giving more credit to the research you must give values to claims(Ala programming),along with all the discovered,found,and given data,until you come up with a membrane of itirations that when you batch them there is not error in any syntax,until the info itself proves truthful.

meaning you've found the truth of its value,and the reality of it.

aka discovery.


the Word proves itself

but I'm not giving you this as a must command,but an optional one for the sake of laws of logics and order.

but knowing Jesus personally is better,and truthful.
is a personal decision.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

I was just saying that if you got the laws and logics down do a mathematical regression finding and connecting algorithms

Funny how you put logics and mathematical regression in the same sentence and when it comes to it, ask for a special plead to not to apply them to your faith.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

the Word proves itself

Indeed

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

but knowing Jesus personally is better,and truthful.
is a personal decision.

Yes, is his own personal decision not to show himself to me

just as self prove
in abstract algebra if you are an algorithm finder
in order to rendeveu,circumscribe,randabout a unknown algorithm you must apply imaginary values,expressions,and use standard laws,but if the laws aren't sufficient,you must come up with imaginary(transitional,liminal links) variables to come up with new itirations,until you find the closest,accuratest answer,just like discovering streams,natural numbers,and irrational expressions.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

just as self prove
in abstract algebra if you are an algorithm finder
in order to rendeveu,circumscribe,randabout a unknown algorithm you must apply imaginary values,expressions,and use standard laws,but if the laws aren't sufficient,you must come up with imaginary(transitional,liminal links) variables to come up with new itirations,until you find the closest,accuratest answer,just like discovering streams,natural numbers,and irrational expressions.

I agree - gods are indeed figments of the human imagination.

Originally posted by string:

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

just as self prove
in abstract algebra if you are an algorithm finder
in order to rendeveu,circumscribe,randabout a unknown algorithm you must apply imaginary values,expressions,and use standard laws,but if the laws aren't sufficient,you must come up with imaginary(transitional,liminal links) variables to come up with new itirations,until you find the closest,accuratest answer,just like discovering streams,natural numbers,and irrational expressions.

I agree - gods are indeed figments of the human imagination.

Indeed, they are.

I didn't finished

just personally me

think creatively

you want to permeate a new space/time rippling space time comsuming object

you want its infinthly particles to be as much 'perfect' as you want it to be

so you strecth out the first dimension in sigularity,to the second,second to third
you are a law writer,provider,and perveyour
so you must first stretch the frames,whatever frame you make
at ground zero,laws look dead persay
but at higher ground those laws bring life,they are pendulums, pillars,such as constants mataining balance
so intelligence spews out transitional links that are abstract,until it is trunked tweaked right.
so the statement of God calling things that don't exist as though they exist and brings them into being,is close right
and all we see are laws,a law made by other laws,and those laws made by other other laws,for the purpose of bringing life to the object you had in your mind,so this object must subside in the constants of this world but must be connected to the originator's world's queries
to the principalities of higher realms

at God's flow of time

just me though

but I believe we are not 3D objects,3D objects sounds loofy,we must be made by many dimensions

string theory brings a closer sense to it

No, I think Thabotizz is right. The best way to get rid of atheism is for everyone to stop believing in any gods. Then we wouldn't need a word for it any more.

That works both ways, and there are so few of us that it makes more sense to ..... I can't say it! Help me!

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by string:

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

just as self prove
in abstract algebra if you are an algorithm finder
in order to rendeveu,circumscribe,randabout a unknown algorithm you must apply imaginary values,expressions,and use standard laws,but if the laws aren't sufficient,you must come up with imaginary(transitional,liminal links) variables to come up with new itirations,until you find the closest,accuratest answer,just like discovering streams,natural numbers,and irrational expressions.

I agree - gods are indeed figments of the human imagination.

Indeed, they are.

I 3rd that notion.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

I 3rd that notion.

And finito to the notion. 3.

well everything is abstract,all is 2D pseudocoding,you want that celetial abstract to touch the boundary,to collide,to vibrate herztly,harmonically,to eye up in the liminal exchange of law transcendences.
I would want my laws to send the abstract part out.
so you use sources.

Every time you open that little scissors blade on a Swiss-pacifist knife, the first use you make of it is to repair the fingernail you broke in your struggle to open it.
Does any Christian or Atheist have a comment?

Originally posted by tt92:

Every time you open that little scissors blade on a Swiss-pacifist knife, the first use you make of it is to repair the fingernail you broke in your struggle to open it.
Does any Christian or Atheist have a comment?

It's proof that pocket knives are intelligently designed

Originally posted by tt92:

Every time you open that little scissors blade on a Swiss-pacifist knife, the first use you make of it is to repair the fingernail you broke in your struggle to open it.
Does any Christian or Atheist have a comment?

I chew my nails, so I can't even get mine open.

I know you didn't mention indifferentists, but I assumed you intended to include us. If not, I withdraw my comment.

The modern atheist says he knows something about the world (this could be anything, from something small, such as a blade of grass is green; to something large, such as the universe began with a big bang). When asked how does he know? He replies, “Through empiricism, science, the hard fact of the world around us.” What the atheist is saying is that the basis of his knowledge of specific things in the world is empiricism, science, the hard fact of the world around us. These latter three are the preconditions to his knowledge of the world. Without them, he could know nothing of the world around him. They are necessary elements to him knowing about the world. But they do not stand alone. They also have preconditions or supporting elements that make them possible. Here is a short list of necessary preconditions the atheist (or anyone for that matter) would need to support the above:
1) sense perceptions that tell about the world
2) the uniformity of nature
3) inductive principle
4) deductive principle
If any of these were missing, one could not know anything from empiricism, or science, or know any of the hard facts from the world around him. For the rest of this paper we will examine just one of the above four preconditions.

And you can see the rest of the paper here and watch all this modern atheism falling apart as a castle of sand.

At another approach, all this is about how sure you can be that your cognitive system it's properly working. For theism, the answer is simple. It will be properly working while it is understanding an universe created with a purpose - to be understood by man.
For atheism what would be the answer? They don't know. They can't know.
(Personally, I'm not really very found of this approach. I saw it being defended by Alvin Plantinga witch is far from being my preferred philosopher.)

But my justification for saying that modern atheism it's a fraud is based at a different kind of arguments.
The three reductionisms used by atheism:
The anthropological reductionism witch reduces men to a rational animal, trying to hide any other levels of human existence. Humans would just be cows that thinks better.
The cosmological reductionism witch reduces cosmos to a physical system, forgetting the sacred dimensions and purpose. Physics as an end at itself.
The transcendental reductionism witch reduce God's transcendence to the human limitations, denying the very meaning of both transcendence and God. In fact, the most man-centric position since earth-centric perspective besides contradicting the other two.
(A fundamental article about this – however relating with inter religion aspects – was posted at a main Portuguese newspaper yesterday. It also addresses six dichotomies that atheism tries to avoid at any cost. Those who can speak Spanish maybe can understand it.)

And the last but not the least, what really makes “modern atheism” such inconvenient and boring, is not it's ideas or lack of it, but the insupportable attitude so contradictory with the “old atheism”'s intelligent and humored remarks and objections. The later being people thinking by their own heads, the former a pseudo-scientific, urban, media promoted, moral relativist “movement”.
At this Forum we have both types.

:yawn: what I see is how good straw burns, nothing else. Atheism is the lack of belief in the existence of a God or Gods in the theistic sense, and that fellow is highly deluded, presenting false dichotomies thorough all the "paper", most notably the exclusion of all forms of deism, including pantheism and some other weird beliefs like solipsism. The fellow simply is too ignorant to know that other alternatives do exist, but lets move on.

Originally posted by G. Brady Lenardos:

Unintentionalism is the key to our next point. If everything is what it is by accident or unintentionally, then so is the way that every particle, atom and molecule interacts with every other particle, atom and molecule. There is no intent, reason or justification for them being as they are. This is true from the smallest scale (the particle level) to the largest scale (the entire cosmos). It also applies to who and what we are. From a naturalist point of view, you can say things are what they are, but no justification can be applied to what or why they are. To do so would be to deny the basic concept of unintentionalism. So, there is no reason or possible justification for thinking that our sense perceptions give us information about the world around us. I am not saying that our perceptions don’t give us information about the world around us, I am just saying that the naturalist theory of reality does not allow for a justification that our sense perceptions do tell us about the world around us. In other words, given the naturalist theory of reality, there can be no reason that our sense perceptions should tell us about the world around us. Let me put it this way, given the elements of the naturalist’s theory of reality it is possible that our sense perceptions are telling us about the world around, but it is just as possible that they are not. We can never know.

There is also no way we can independently verify our sense perceptions. We have no way to take our perception in one hand and independently compare it to part of the world in our other hand. All we have are our perceptions.

Given that there is no universal reason that can be deduced from the naturalist's theory of reality to justify our sense perceptions and no independent means of verification, we are left with the conclusion that the naturalist’s worldview not only lack sufficient elements to justify our sense perceptions, but the elements it does have prevents any possible justification.

the guy is a moron, and for your knowledge, ignorance is not a virtue. It would be interesting how he applies the same "principle" to theism and witness how everything crumbles under the unavoidable weigh of nihilism, but thats enough stupidity for a day.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

At this Forum we have both types.

...as well as those whose approach to the debate is words, words, and more words, none of them related to anything remotely tangible. Your source is warmed over Aquinas. Nobody, but nobody comes to religion via such intellectual mumbo jumbo. Once there, however, a handful of intellectuals with nothing better to do with their minds spin gossamer goblets that hold no wine.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

And you can see the rest of the paper here and watch all this modern atheism falling apart as a castle of sand.

I don't have to go through the rest of that paper to spot the faulty reasoning in that tiny extract. All statements in empiric science can be prefixed with a phrase beginning, "Given that X and Y...", i.e. boundary conditions on what the statement applies to. That applies to statements we can make about the universe too.

just generalizing the approach of just a person who like to invent,develop,pruduce,incept,concieve,built,architect,enginerize.
also I was speaking of all ideas brought to life in science through computer science.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Once there, however, a handful of intellectuals with nothing better to do with their minds spin gossamer goblets that hold no wine.

you're a practical man.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

And you can see the rest of the paper here and watch all this modern atheism falling apart as a castle of sand.

You can see that, but you can't see why your religion, along with all the other religions on the planet, are nothing more than fairy stories?

Next stop for you, amigo, is Intelligent Design!

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Once there, however, a handful of intellectuals with nothing better to do with their minds spin gossamer goblets that hold no wine.

you're a practical man.

In terms of theological speculation, yes, otherwise not that much. I'm also leery of scientists who speculate outside their fields, too.

The universe is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, and adding gods to the conundrum solves nothing.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

The universe is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, and adding gods to the conundrum solves nothing.

I'm, not so sure; Gods are comfort blankets that some use to wrap themselves in.

Originally posted by string:

Originally posted by Jaybro:

The universe is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, and adding gods to the conundrum solves nothing.

I'm, not so sure; Gods are comfort blankets that some use to wrap themselves in.

Maybe, but I suspect that in most cases it's just like learning to eat with a fork or spoon here and chopsticks elsewhere. I just use my hands, so no soup, please.

As Pesala informs us, life without gods works just fine for millions, perhaps billions. The world is a puzzling place, so maybe the function of religion, broadly considered, is to quietly answer all those questions that don't get asked but are still out there spitting and wagging their tongues at us.

Originally posted by garydenness:

Originally posted by Belfrager:

And you can see the rest of the paper here and watch all this modern atheism falling apart as a castle of sand.

You can see that, but you can't see why your religion, along with all the other religions on the planet, are nothing more than fairy stories?

Don't you like fairy stories? Problem being that fairy stories are so important for so many people, call it religion, free market or democracy. Just fairy stories. You know, people are not just cows that thinks better, they have other dimensions, as I've already said.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

I'm also leery of scientists who speculate outside their fields, too.

Uhm.. I suspect that what I think that you are saying can be the opposite of what you are really saying.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

You know, people are not just cows that thinks better, they have other dimensions, as I've already said.

You know, some people simply want to be more than lumps of cells controlled by electrical signals and chemical reactions. Wishful thinking doesn't make it so.

Originally posted by Macallan:

You know, some people simply want to be more than lumps of cells controlled by electrical signals and chemical reactions. Wishful thinking doesn't make it so.

We are more than lumps of cells activated by electro-chemical signals. The mistake is in thinking that taking away the cells and signals will leave something else behind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_system

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Uhm.. I suspect that what I think that you are saying can be the opposite of what you are really saying.

It all depends on what you think I'm saying. I don't know what you're thinking, so you'll have to work it all out.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

It all depends on what you think I'm saying. I don't know what you're thinking, so you'll have to work it all out.

I've done it already. Sure enough to bet some drinks on it. I was right at my initial statement eh eh.
Anyway I think that this wasn't previously discussed here: Between religious creationists speculating outside their field and scientists doing the same thing, people usually choose one of them as being right instead of ignoring both.
And it's easier for the dishonest scientist to capture people's attention when he not even knowing the secrets of a single cell starts writing books pretending to know the truth about God.

My footer it's a quotation by Teilhard de Chardin. He was an anthropologist (discovered the Man of Peking), a philosopher and a Jesuit. And he developed a theory about something that I think it's very interesting, the relationship between the complexity of matter (both material and biological) and the complexity of conscience. He proposed as an explanation to that correspondence the existence of an attractor witch he call it the Omega point. As a man of science he couldn't say too much more about it, besides some important consequences. As a theist, it was pretty obvious to him that that Omega point would be God but he didn't mixed fields at his work. That's an example of intellectual honesty. And I don't see it too much at those best sellers written by "scientific" modern atheists.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

And it's easier for the dishonest scientist to capture people's attention when he not even knowing the secrets of a single cell starts writing books pretending to know the truth about God.

And it's even easier to start attacking that scientists and his books without being aware of the contents of them, huh?

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

And it's even easier to start attacking that scientists and his books without being aware of the contents of them, huh?

Oh yes, it would be so much easier, unfortunately I've waisted spent my time and money with some of them. Nice humorist material.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

And it's even easier to start attacking that scientists and his books without being aware of the contents of them, huh?

Oh yes, it would be so much easier, unfortunately I've waisted spent my time and money with some of them. Nice humorist material.

Oh, good, so you'll be happy to explain how his writings are speculating out of his field then? Or are you saying that only theologists and priests are allowed to have a position on spiritual matters? In which case, I would have to call you a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Anyway I think that this wasn't previously discussed here: Between religious creationists speculating outside their field and scientists doing the same thing, people usually choose one of them as being right instead of ignoring both.
And it's easier for the dishonest scientist to capture people's attention when he not even knowing the secrets of a single cell starts writing books pretending to know the truth about God.

No telling what "people" choose to believe. Who is this scientist that you have in mind? A biologist?

I'm just a little puzzled as to what we're talking about. Give me a name, please.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Who is this scientist that you have in mind? A biologist?

Yes a biologist, Richard Dawkins and his The God Delusion but there are more, usually even worst.
About Dawkins book, quoting Tomas Nagel:

In his new book, he attacks religion with all the weapons at his disposal, and as a result the book is a very uneven collection of scriptural ridicule, amateur philosophy, historical and contemporary horror stories, anthropological speculations, and cosmological scientific argument.

Since Dawkins is operating mostly outside the range of his scientific expertise, it is not surprising that The God Delusion lacks the superb instructive lucidity of his books on evolutionary theory, such as The Selfish Gene, The Blind Watchmaker, and Climbing Mount Improbable.

Blind faith and the authority of dogma are dangerous; the view that we can make ultimate sense of the world only by understanding it as the expression of mind or purpose is not. It is unreasonable to think that one must refute the second in order to resist the first.

The rest is here. Horrible formatting of the web site but anyway few will read it.
And I consider johnnysaucepn's last post answered with this one.

You may consider it answered, but you still haven't answered in what way Dawkin's writing is speculating out of his field.

Or to put it another way, what field (scientific or otherwise) would qualify you to speak of the existence or non-existence of a god, or of a delusion?

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Or to put it another way, what field (scientific or otherwise) would qualify you to speak of the existence or non-existence of a god, or of a delusion?

To speak, any field. To publish books, Philosophy. That's why I've quoted a philosopher. Theology it's not about God's existence but about interpreting His will. Different business.
Mr Dawkins isn't posting his personal opinion at a forum, something that anyone can do regardless his area of studies. Or talking with his friends. He's publishing books about God's existence (and other things) <i>pretending to be</i> some specialist in the matter.

What qualifications does one need to be a philosopher? Does a doctor also need to be a philosopher to determine that a patient in their care is definitely not Napoleon? The mechanics of delusion, rationality and logic are well within the remit of the non-philosopher.

Dawkin's speciality is ethology, the study of animal behaviour and cognition. Delusion and groupthink arguably fit into such categories.

Your argument is nothing more that the courtier's reply.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Your argument is nothing more that the courtier's reply.

Another biologist?? but they are becoming a plague?
At least the problem seems to be concentrated to just some specimens at a particular area of knowledge.
The men has discovered gunpowder. Philosophers discuss the King's clothes subtleness and the very smart and morally superior biologist arrives and says: ah ah the king is naked.
Take me out of this.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Theology it's not about God's existence but about interpreting His will.

Now, I know that you've read Aquinas and his proofs of the existence of God. Or maybe Aquinas wasn't a theologian.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

At least the problem seems to be concentrated to just some specimens at a particular area of knowledge.

You have read the book you claim to have spent money on, right?
There is a difference between saying that you have proof gods don't exist, and saying that a belief in a god is delusional.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Now, I know that you've read Aquinas and his proofs of the existence of God. Or maybe Aquinas wasn't a theologian.

In fact, by modern classification, he was both. A philosopher and a theologian. As all theologians today also are (at least the Catholics and Protestants). They absolutely need Philosophy in order to substantiate subtle theological theories. Unfortunately not all of them are good philosophers.

Controversial Pastor Terry Jones burns a copy of "The God Delusion" in place of his former Qur'an burning plan. The Atheist response? Thousands of congratulations for excercising his liberties.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Controversial Pastor Terry Jones burns a copy of "The God Delusion" in place of his former Qur'an burning plan. The Atheist response? Thousands of congratulations for excercising his liberties.

Been there, done that

U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes
Pentagon Supplier for Rifle Sights Says It Has 'Always' Added New Testament References
http://abcnews.go.com/story?id=9575794

I don't make any of these up.

Well, can't we just burn something!

They were KJV....but they did reduce weight of. I guess the inscriptions are acceptable to me..

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Well, can't we just burn something!

We could burn the newspapers?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

I would gladly accept that a deity exists if there were sufficient proof for the deity

Have you looked out your window at night and viewed the immensity of the universe. There is your deity and anyone who thinks that the deity looks like Charles Heston with a white beard is gullible.

Originally posted by 3Gee:

Have you looked out your window at night and viewed the immensity of the universe.

On occasion, yes.

Originally posted by 3Gee:

There is your deity

Nothing like the good old god of the gaps argument.
I'll tell ya what, you prove to me that your deity or indeed any deity initiated the Big Bang by providing verifiable, testable evidence and I will consider acknowledging his/her existence, or indeed believing in him, deal?
*waits with interest*

Originally posted by 3Gee:

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

I would gladly accept that a deity exists if there were sufficient proof for the deity

Have you looked out your window at night and viewed the immensity of the universe. There is your deity and anyone who thinks that the deity looks like Charles Heston with a white beard is gullible.

So your deity is a lot of hydrogen, helium, various products of nuclear fusion, dust, dirt and a hell of a lot of nothing?

Originally posted by darkforbid:

Which would be?

the bible of course.

come on, surely some stories in an ancient book of truths about a mythological murder in the sky that made us only to suffer until his son who was really him came and saved us but changed nothing convinces you?

Originally posted by Macallan:

So your deity is a lot of hydrogen, helium, various products of nuclear fusion, dust, dirt and a hell of a lot of nothing?

Aren't we all?

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Aren't we all?

Some more than others.

the bible of course. come on, surely some stories in an ancient book of truths about a mythological murder in the sky that made us only to suffer until his son who was really him came and saved us but changed nothing convinces you?

No I like my books... Darker and more logical.

Aren't we all?

Just flesh, bone and light.

Originally posted by darkforbid:

Just flesh, bone and light.

You're made of light?

You're made of light?

Heat is what?

hold on I know this one...

not light.

Originally posted by darkforbid:

Heat is what?

Energy in transit. What were you thinking of?

What were you thinking of?

Flesh bone and the light we glean from existence.

Originally posted by darkforbid:

Flesh bone and the light we glean from existence.

Nice recovery. You're D&D BSer of the week...hands down.

Nice recovery. You're D&D BSer of the week...hands down.

OK

Originally posted by Jaybro:

U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes
Pentagon Supplier for Rifle Sights Says It Has 'Always' Added New Testament References
http://abcnews.go.com/story?id=9575794

I don't make any of these up.

Hmmmm. So thats the secret to the most efficient killing machines on earth. Semper Fi

Originally posted by darkforbid:

OK

Just shorten that to "K" in the future. Saves wear and tear on the much used "O" key.

Originally posted by MAXXTHRUST:

So thats the secret to the most efficient killing machines on earth.

Jesus kills. Hallelujah! I'm glad that the manufacturer is from Australia. I don't know why, but I thought that Aussies were immune.

Next you'll tell me they name missiles after US supporters

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by MAXXTHRUST:

So thats the secret to the most efficient killing machines on earth.

Jesus kills. Hallelujah! I'm glad that the manufacturer is from Australia. I don't know why, but I thought that Aussies were immune.

Nope, but they're sane enough to send their worst offender to Kentucky and refuse to take him back.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Nope, but they're sane enough to send their worst offender to Kentucky and refuse to take him back.

That is were most are banished... That poor Bible book.

Originally posted by MAXXTHRUST:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Nope, but they're sane enough to send their worst offender to Kentucky and refuse to take him back.

That is were most are banished...

So Kentucky is kind of the US version of Siberia?

Originally posted by MAXXTHRUST:

That poor Bible book.

Sometimes I wonder what the original writers would think about their modern day 'followers' ( I use term rather loosely here ).

Originally posted by Macallan:

Sometimes I wonder what the original writers would think about their modern day 'followers'

I know.. It's embarrassing..

Just to toss in a provocative statement: Christian views are no more than a cluster of beliefs on the belief plane. Or the belief space. Atheism is the origin.

Just to toss in a provocative statement: Christian views are no more than a cluster of beliefs on the belief plane. Or the belief space. Atheism is the origin.

Wish that was true Jesus... Belivers views change world power
Belief plane/space?

Number line... two number lines describing a plane... three describing a space...
There are lots of opposites in belief systems. You can plot various beliefs on a graph of n dimensions where n = the number of polar opposites in the belief systems you're looking at.

Originally posted by aefields:

Number line... two number lines describing a plane... three describing a space...
There are lots of opposites in belief systems. You can plot various beliefs on a graph of n dimensions where n = the number of polar opposites in the belief systems you're looking at.

And streatch it and walla lie..

Oh, so the Cristians book is correct by saying we are Children of the Devil!

Maybe I can do something nice today and let the Devil pick up the tab!

Atheist? Does that mean God denier?
I don't think so. Only when God is left undefined to the rational non-deluded mind.
A theory. We all have one. A theist. What's Yours?