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8. May 2010, 06:29:11

arghwashier

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Did anyone else notice the "stuck" pixels in Opera?

Did anyone else notice what at first sight appear to be "stuck" pixel in Opera? The even appear on all tabs and even in flash but when moving the Opera window they move with the window.

Is this a known issue?

See the single white pixel in the lower right of the youtube video as an example




8. May 2010, 10:38:27

Frenzie

Posts: 15541

I haven't noticed anything like that. Does it start appearing on a particular page?

Btw, Flash doesn't work on 6333 for me? I don't see any such effect in 6331 or 10.10, at any rate.

On a completely different note, if the VVD's program had more "persoonlijke vrijheid (vrije meningsuiting, euthanasie, drugsgebruik, privacy, non-interventie)" voting for them would be a heck of a lot more attractive! Plus I just hate Rutte. I want Bolkestein. p
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10. May 2010, 16:28:00

arghwashier

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This is build 6331 (I really need flash) anyway I noticed these pixels already on 2 machine both with nvidia /w proprietary driver but not on a machine with an ati (with opensource driver)



10. May 2010, 19:56:03

Frenzie

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Strange, I also have that driver. Maybe we have different version of Flash?

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html

I have 10.0.45.2
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10. May 2010, 21:55:57

arghwashier

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Originally posted by Frenzie:

Strange, I also have that driver. Maybe we have different version of Flash?

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html

I have 10.0.45.2


It's not only in flash but it can be in any part of a page, any element....the flash here was just a convenient page to show it



12. May 2010, 01:02:29 (edited)

GREYchan

Posts: 10

I saw it too on 6331, in 6335 I don't saw it yet. I also have nvidia proprietary driver.

EDIT. "stuck" pixels confirmed in 6335.

12. May 2010, 12:30:52

Frenzie

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Is there any particular thing you do (like visit a certain website) that causes this pixel to appear?
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12. May 2010, 15:56:10

arghwashier

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I usually notice them first on http://www.elsevier.nl but that's mainly because the background is black when (re)loading



13. May 2010, 09:32:27

Frenzie

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I'm still not getting any mystery white pixel. I should probably point out that I don't use Compiz.
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16. May 2010, 19:33:46

johnny47ns

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I got a mistery pixel today.

It happened on a HTML page without any flash - it had black background and white pixel somewhere in the middle. "Darn, my monitor has a dead pixel!". After I changed tab to test "dead pixel" on some other background it disappeared.

Although it didn't move with page scrolling, I didn't try to move Opera window. So it might not be the same problem. I cannot reproduce it, and cannot even tell it has anything with Opera browser.

System:
Opera 10.53 build 6330 (64 bit), Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64, Kernel 2.6.32-22-generic, Gnome with compiz enabled.

16. May 2010, 22:44:56

GomJabbar

Posts: 733

Sounds similar to the "UltraNav bug".
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/UltraNav

The UltraNav driver from IBM is based on the Synaptics driver. It contains a bug leading to "defective pixels": If the scroll-function of the touchpad is used (moving finger on right border of touchpad), often taskmanager shows an application/window on its first tab named "Syn Visual Window". Sometimes this stays on the screen and in task manager. It is a 1x1 pixel large window that is usually white. If you move the mouse directly over this pixel, a little icon appears like if the middle trackpoint button is used to scroll. This pixel can be removed by terminating SynTP* processes in taskmanager. Some claim that it can be removed by using the middle trackpoint button, although this is not always the case. So far this problem has been reproduced on T60P and T41P, but only by scrolling large wegpages in Firefox. After Firefox was closed, the pixel is still there. IBM was able to reproduce this by installing Firefox on a fresh recovery image in their labs. But they refuse to fix this or pass it to Synaptics or their driver developers, because Firefox "is not supported". Guess IBM only wants you to use IE. This bug is quite annoying because people think it's a wandering defective pixel.

Recently, A T42 with Windows XP and Internet Explorer 7 was also able to reproduce this issue.

17. May 2010, 06:22:50

arghwashier

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I now noticed them on a third machine this one has an ati card and is using the opensource driver; ps I saw them on 2 laptops and one desktop machines



17. May 2010, 19:48:44

johnny47ns

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It is a dead pixel evening 'round here. smile I am still getting them at this very moment.

So I studied behaviour a little bit.

I noticed before that first pixel (most upper left) of almost every flash container is white. Arghwashier, according to image you posted, you have the same problem, only your page background is white and it is not so obvious.

This "dead pixel" is in fact that upper-left pixel of a flash container on other (not active) tabs! Since it didn't occur to me more often, I guess Opera instance has to run for some time...

When scrolling dead pixel over a flash container, they leave a short trail, unlike other areas, where they appear just like dead pixels on the Opera canvas.

This upper-left pixel isn't appearing in Firefox at all.

Info: Adobe Flash 10.0.45.2, Opera 10.53 build 6330, Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64, driver nvidia-current, Compiz effects enabled.

17. May 2010, 19:59:11

Frenzie

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johnny47ns, I have experienced issues along the lines of what you describe (i.e. Flash in a background page doing something stupid on the one you're viewing), but not in a sense limited to one pixel. An easy way is to open something with Flash and to move things around a little bit to get something like this screenshot, but it's also happened without using any kind of MDI things. But afaik not in the shape of 1 pixel.Screenshot-Designer Keyboard Setup.png
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18. May 2010, 01:33:09

johnny47ns

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I agree with you, but this "dead pixel" syndrome is simply that white [0,0] pixel in flash container displayed on other pages in SDI mode.
You have that pixel also, so if you cannot see it on other (dark) pages, it has something to do with our configurations. I assume we have same Flash versions, so it must be something with Compiz or maybe video driver.

I can reproduce that bug, even on fresh instance of Opera.

18. May 2010, 05:41:56

arghwashier

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Originally posted by johnny47ns:

It is a dead pixel evening 'round here. smile I am still getting them at this very moment.

So I studied behaviour a little bit.

I noticed before that first pixel (most upper left) of almost every flash container is white.



Yes you are correct, you can even make them go away again by closing the tab which has the flash on it

Info: Adobe Flash 10.0.45.2, Opera 10.53 build 6330, Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64, driver nvidia-current, Compiz effects enabled.



I always use the latest version of Flash and have seen the pixels on many different machines, with different video cards and with no special effects at all....



18. May 2010, 08:59:14

Frenzie

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Originally posted by johnny47ns:

You have that pixel also, so if you cannot see it on other (dark) pages, it has something to do with our configurations. I assume we have same Flash versions, so it must be something with Compiz or maybe video driver.


I realize the pixel shows on that screenshot, but yeah, the only way I've seen this pixel is as part of a larger problem, not by itself bleeding through. I'm not sure how or why.
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19. May 2010, 00:06:20

johnny47ns

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OK, it is part of a bigger problem, and everything should be fixed at once.

I am just helping you to reproduce the problem, because you said you haven't had them.

19. May 2010, 08:51:49

Frenzie

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On a related note, why do you think the spot where the YouTube video should be has a few black pixels in the top left? It's almost as if they belong with the Flash where there's a white pixel.
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20. May 2010, 00:52:40

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sgunhouse

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I don't see it (not frequenting many dark pages nor having many tabs - and hence no background tabs containing Flash) but ... have you tried 6336 yet? Flash does work, though JAVA doesn't.

20. May 2010, 16:14:43

arghwashier

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Originally posted by sgunhouse:

I don't see it (not frequenting many dark pages nor having many tabs - and hence no background tabs containing Flash) but ... have you tried 6336 yet? Flash does work, though JAVA doesn't.



It appears not all flash give "stuck pixels" eg this flash doesn't: http://video.elsevier.nl/11802470/ but most youtube videos do. Btw I am already using 6336



21. May 2010, 09:16:18

Leighman

Posts: 209

Also been having this.
Intel integrated graphics, compiz enabled
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3. July 2010, 10:42:46

Case1

Posts: 136

I am experiencing "dead pixels" in Opera as well, even with 10.60 final. Arch Linux 64, Nvidia latest official driver (256.35), KDE 4.4.5.

3. July 2010, 10:48:29

cilalex

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+1 here

10.60 final, ubuntu 10.04, ati prop. driver 10.6, Gnome 2.30.0

16. July 2010, 11:30:19

bleicher

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never seen em O_o
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16. July 2010, 21:26:08

veggen

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Yep, same problem on my Ubuntu Lucid.

19. July 2010, 04:03:58

EdFlanders

Posts: 10

It has happened to me with Mandriva 2010.1, Opera 10.70 6396. They pixels are usually red or black.

31. July 2010, 20:09:39 (edited)

josefko

Posts: 37

The same problem here on Kubuntu Lucid, a desktop computer with an onboard graphics. I was not sure how to describe it so I set up this thread with a screenshot. Maybe it is not exactly the same problem, but at least similar.

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=621472

1. August 2010, 12:33:45

passerbycmc

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happens once and a while too me but I never seen a stuck on on top of flash.

actually the first time I saw it I thought I royally messed something up in my web pages css and was wondering how it happened.

seen it on my openSuSE 11.2 and 11.3 with KDE 4.4.x and kwin desktop effects enabled.

im working with a nvidia geforce 9800gtx+ and 2 screens if that info helps

1. August 2010, 19:38:00

Zotlan

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Having the issue right now in Opensuse 11.3 KDE4.4 with 10.61. My graphics chip is an intel so it is not an nvidea problem.Very peculiar, the first time it happened i thought my screen was dying on my.

Oh, and compositing, with Kwin, is enabled.
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2. August 2010, 09:19:25

Malinkh

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I've got that lost pixel myself, even in 10.61. I bug-reported this bug with bug-ID: DSK-297246 on 10.53-6330, running on Ubuntu 10.04, and I can't see it is been fixed yet.

17. August 2010, 17:52:39

x14

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No changes between 10.60 and 10.61 :-( :-(
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21. October 2010, 19:40:04

x14

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No changes in 10.63 :-(

22. October 2010, 11:02:45

Opera Software

AVL

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This bug is indeed related to Flash or other plugin usage, usually on a different tab from the one you are viewing (ie. the white pixel 'shines through'). It was recently fixed. Expect the fix to appear in snapshots soon, and probably also in 10.64 if we'll have that release.

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