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Gay Marrige
Do you think that gay citizens should be able to get married?Do you think that that gay couple that got married should have been able to get a divorse no questions asked?
| Option | Results | Votes | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Yes |  |
62% | 69 |
| No | |
32% | 36 |
| In certian conditions | |
6% | 7 |
| Total number of votes: | 112 | ||
Originally posted by Thabotizz:
So what about the surnames? My lady took my surname after we got married. That's a bad
Over here we choose.
Originally posted by jax:
We could all follow the Icelandic naming system.
We all add tons of silent letters in our names?
Originally posted by daddy67:
l do respect your opinions but l will be the last man standing.can someone answer me.l have tried to check the web and found nothing .HOW DO GAY PEOPlE have SEX.? do they SQUEZEE the BALLs to feel the fantasy .? am asking in an innocent way.
They do it pretty much the same as straight people
Originally posted by Museatlantis:
They do it pretty much the same as straight people
And just like with straight people, there is no necessity of anything penetrative.
10. May 2010, 16:13:31 (edited)
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by Museatlantis:
They do it pretty much the same as straight people
you must be joking how.? do u mean that no penetration involved? where do u '''place'''your penises .pleace u can educate me.now that a real crazy world.
And just like with straight people, there is no necessity of anything penetrative.
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by Museatlantis:
They do it pretty much the same as straight people
And just like with straight people, there is no necessity of anything penetrative.
Penetration is not necessary?I think the ass has some degree of vacancy:lol: Originally posted by imabasomeone:
Do you think that gay citizens should be able to get married?
Well, I suppose "and the pursuit of happiness" that is enshrined in the Constitution allows for this, so in a word, yeah, I reckon.
Though this issue is one where separation of church and state must be separated at all times.
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Originally posted by imabasomeone:
Do you think that gay citizens should be able to get married?
Yes
Originally posted by Thabotizz:
So what about the surnames?
They have the option to decide. Some women do not want to part with their surname in a heterosexual marriage, so they will either keep it or opt for hyphenation.
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Originally posted by jessheartsben:
They have the option to decide. Some women do not want to part with their surname in a heterosexual marriage, so they will either keep it or opt for hyphenation.
Or the man changes name to the woman's surname or hyphenates...
Originally posted by keloda:
I assume you're heterosexual. Does that mean you start humping women as soon as you get the chance as often as you get the chance? If the answer is yes then never mind, I suppose...
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Or the man changes name to the woman's surname or hyphenates...
Yep. I'm all for change and being different and stuff like that, but in the case of marriage I think I would lean more towards the traditional way things are done and just use my husband's surname. Unless of course it was something crazy like Gaylord or Knipple...then we would need to have a talk.
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Originally posted by imabasomeone:
Do you think that that gay couple that got married should have been able to get a divorse no questions asked?
Well marriage is the major cause of divoris.
Why should only heterosexuals have to suffer?
I am ungrateful to those teachers.
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Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by keloda:
I assume you're heterosexual. Does that mean you start humping women as soon as you get the chance as often as you get the chance? If the answer is yes then never mind, I suppose...
As he implied, anything with a suitable orifice - like tree stumps, rat holes, mole hills
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12. May 2010, 14:42:57 (edited)
Originally posted by Billymish:
An Atheist will support gay marriage, reason they dont fall in any religion they want to form one.
Yeah, and not breeding rabbits is a hobby
Do you have any idea how much nonsense you keep posting?
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by TroyMclure:
hump dead animals and antelopes
Did you forget your medication again?
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
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Originally posted by Sylvybabe:
Gay are not meant to get married talk more of divorcing.
Meant by who exactly?
Originally posted by Sylvybabe:
its so absurd. Its a mockery of d marriage institution between opposite sex which God had done.
Why exactly should your particular imaginary friend's opinion have any bearing on this issue? Also, marriage was invented long before that god of yours was - it's not like that particular cult invented it.
So, if you want a patent on 'marriage' - forget it, there's plenty of prior art.
Originally posted by Sylvybabe:
People involvd should desist from such ungodly and unholy act before d wrath of God is unleashed upon them cos my God cant be mocked.
Oh dear, what's your imaginary friend going to do? Wave his imaginary finger in my general direction?
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Sylvybabe:
Gay are not meant to get married talk more of divorcing.its so absurd. Its a mockery of d marriage institution between opposite sex which God had done. People involvd should desist from such ungodly and unholy act before d wrath of God is unleashed upon them cos my God cant be mocked.
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Originally posted by daddy67:
I don't this D&D forum is the best one for sexual education, nor that the participants here are the best teachers you can get. You could look up in for instance Wikipedia or find a serious forum on this topic somewhere else on the Internet.l do respect your opinions but l will be the last man standing.can someone answer me.l have tried to check the web and found nothing .HOW DO GAY PEOPlE have SEX.? do they SQUEZEE the BALLs to feel the fantasy .? am asking in an innocent way.
Originally posted by jax:
Originally posted by daddy67:
I don't this D&D forum is the best one for sexual education, nor that the participants here are the best teachers you can get. You could look up in for instance Wikipedia or find a serious forum on this topic somewhere else on the Internet.l do respect your opinions but l will be the last man standing.can someone answer me.l have tried to check the web and found nothing .HOW DO GAY PEOPlE have SEX.? do they SQUEZEE the BALLs to feel the fantasy .? am asking in an innocent way.
He could stand on a street corner in Washington DC.
Originally posted by Sylvybabe:
Gay are not meant to get married talk more of divorcing.its so absurd. Its a mockery of d marriage institution between opposite sex which God had done. People involvd should desist from such ungodly and unholy act before d wrath of God is unleashed upon them cos my God cant be mocked.
Gay marriage is not a religious one, it's an institutional marriage, a marriage in the eyes of the law. It has nothing to do with religion.
Originally posted by Macallan:
Originally posted by Billymish:
An Atheist will support gay marriage, reason they dont fall in any religion they want to form one.
Yeah, and not breeding rabbits is a hobby
Do you have any idea how much nonsense you keep posting?
its all about honesty!!~whats your point? chocolate box is chocolate box in SA language.
and Atheist vs Gods Religion are totally opposite which wont marry now or in future.
Originally posted by Billymish:
Originally posted by Macallan:
Originally posted by Billymish:
An Atheist will support gay marriage, reason they dont fall in any religion they want to form one.
Yeah, and not breeding rabbits is a hobby
Do you have any idea how much nonsense you keep posting?
its all about honesty!!~whats your point? chocolate box is chocolate box in SA language.
and Atheist vs Gods Religion are totally opposite which wont marry now or in future.
What on earth are you talking about?
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Denny77:
Originally posted by jax:
Originally posted by daddy67:
I don't this D&D forum is the best one for sexual education, nor that the participants here are the best teachers you can get. You could look up in for instance Wikipedia or find a serious forum on this topic somewhere else on the Internet.l do respect your opinions but l will be the last man standing.can someone answer me.l have tried to check the web and found nothing .HOW DO GAY PEOPlE have SEX.? do they SQUEZEE the BALLs to feel the fantasy .? am asking in an innocent way.
hi.danny 777.am in Kenya and in africa. washington Dc. is just a fantasy l hear and read of.
He could stand on a street corner in Washington DC.
Originally posted by Billymish:
Originally posted by Macallan:
What on earth are you talking about?
you said i'm posting nonsense:~then my reply is based on my "Religion,Culture and Also tradition" not as an Atheist.
This statement of yours is nonsense:
Originally posted by Billymish:
An Atheist will support gay marriage, reason they dont fall in any religion they want to form one.
And your replies after that don't make any sense either.
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Macallan:
Originally posted by Billymish:
Originally posted by Macallan:
What on earth are you talking about?
you said i'm posting nonsense:~then my reply is based on my "Religion,Culture and Also tradition" not as an Atheist.
This statement of yours is nonsense:Originally posted by Billymish:
An Atheist will support gay marriage, reason they dont fall in any religion they want to form one.
And your replies after that don't make any sense either.
then it depends who is the recipient.
Maybe this will be clear~gay marriage is insanity as Keloda says.
Another example:~a Satanic person when drinking blood of humans will say that its her/his religion to drink blood,of which according to my "Religion,Culture and Tradition" its Satanic and also insanity.
Hope you are clear.
If a child is not taught morals at wee wee stage.then one will find lots and lots of insanity.
Originally posted by Billymish:
Originally posted by Macallan:
Originally posted by Billymish:
Originally posted by Macallan:
What on earth are you talking about?
you said i'm posting nonsense:~then my reply is based on my "Religion,Culture and Also tradition" not as an Atheist.
This statement of yours is nonsense:Originally posted by Billymish:
An Atheist will support gay marriage, reason they dont fall in any religion they want to form one.
And your replies after that don't make any sense either.
then it depends who is the recipient.
No. That statement is nonsense no matter what.
Originally posted by Billymish:
Maybe this will be clear~gay marriage is insanity as Keloda says.
It's been fairly obvious that you think so.
Originally posted by Billymish:
Another example:~a Satanic person when drinking blood of humans will say that its her/his religion to drink blood,of which according to my "Religion,Culture and Tradition" its Satanic and also insanity.
Hope you are clear.
The only thing you made clear is that you missed my point completely. It's blatantly obvious that you're opposed to gay marriage for religious reasons and that you conflate religion and morality. Well, that's common enough for religious types.
Again, your statement about atheists is nonsense.
Originally posted by Billymish:
If a child is not taught morals at wee wee stage.then one will find lots and lots of insanity.
Yeah, they might end up believing all sorts of supernatural nonsense and never learn to read properly.
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Billymish:
@Macallan
OH!!
i forgot what about chocolate box you dont seem to agree or disagree with it, that gays do it"chocolate box".if you like it then speak your mind!!because to me seems you are dogding it.
Learn to read. I said nothing of the sort.
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
11. May 2010, 19:18:17 (edited)
Originally posted by Billymish:
What do you mean,nothing of the sort?
According to Google Translate, in Afrikaans that'd be "niks van die soort," albeit that just sounds like a word for word translation of the English. It sounds like proper Dutch, except it isn't (but perhaps it's proper Afrikaans, who knows). In Dutch we'd say "niets/niks in die trant." It couldn't be much clearer.
Originally posted by Billymish:
Are you gay?
So what if he were?
Originally posted by Billymish:
And you forgot about Tradition & Culture maybe you dont have any.
Gays don't have culture?
Religion: Objective Morality
As I said before, gay marriage has nothing to do with religion (that's why the Church is separated from the State since more then a century ago in modern Countries). It's a constitutional subject, not a religious one.
11. May 2010, 21:14:53 (edited)
the vows in male and female,if my memory serves me well~it last happen in a Church not at the street and priest involved,i dont know about gays i never seen any marriage.
Also i dont condone gay marriage as much as crime or satanic.
But about morals and Religion i tend to differ~
there is a link between the
two(morals&Religion)
respect,stealing,never bad mouth anyone,killing,a child is taught at an early stage on how to behave as girl/boy "sunday school or by parents" (to name few).
Originally posted by Billymish:
@Macallan please be straight with your answer,
What do you mean,nothing of the sort?
Are you gay?
And you forgot about Tradition & Culture maybe you dont have any,or if you do have Culture&Tradition do you follow it?
Forget it. You're either unwilling or unable to read so replying any further is a waste of my time.
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Billymish:
Originally posted by Macallan:
Originally posted by Billymish:
Originally posted by Macallan:
What on earth are you talking about?
you said i'm posting nonsense:~then my reply is based on my "Religion,Culture and Also tradition" not as an Atheist.
This statement of yours is nonsense:Originally posted by Billymish:
An Atheist will support gay marriage, reason they dont fall in any religion they want to form one.
And your replies after that don't make any sense either.
then it depends who is the recipient.
Maybe this will be clear~gay marriage is insanity as Keloda says.
Another example:~a Satanic person when drinking blood of humans will say that its her/his religion to drink blood,of which according to my "Religion,Culture and Tradition" its Satanic and also insanity.
Hope you are clear.
If a child is not taught morals at wee wee stage.then one will find lots and lots of insanity.
Obviously we need a thread about satanic drinking of blood of humans.
Who will start it?
Preferably someone from a country or community or culture where it happens.
Originally posted by Billymish:
Yes i agree about gay marriage being constitution and also has nothing to do with religion.but
the vows in male and female,if my memory serves me well~it last happen in a Church not at the street and priest involved,i dont know about gays i never seen any marriage.
Also i dont condone gay marriage as much as crime or satanic.
But about morals and Religion i tend to differ~
there is a link between the
two(morals&Religion)
respect,stealing,never bad mouth anyone,killing,a child is taught at an early stage on how to behave as girl/boy "sunday school or by parents" (to name few).
No, not really. I think you're misinformed, you described a religious marriage, even heterosexual couples don't need to get married by church to 'be' married in the eyes of the law. In some countries the majority of marriages are non-religious.
Those morals you referred are not even exclusive to the human specie, most mammals respect similar morals. By the end of the day, morals are subjective and there is no way one can provide proof of their objectivity.
To learn more you can watch this video: 'Morality: From the Heavens or From Nature?' by Dr. Andy Thomson, AAI 2009
Originally posted by rjhowie:
A-ha an IBerian contribution. Now we know there are two people living in Portugal including the droit Belfrager.
wow and they both use Opera
Originally posted by pedrojosecarreira:
Originally posted by Billymish:
But about morals and Religion i tend to differ~
there is a link between the
two(morals&Religion)
respect,stealing,never bad mouth anyone,killing,a child is taught at an early stage on how to behave as girl/boy "sunday school or by parents" (to name few).
No, not really. I think you're misinformed, you described a religious marriage, even heterosexual couples don't need to get married by church to 'be' married in the eyes of the law. In some countries the majority of marriages are non-religious.
Those morals you referred are not even exclusive to the human specie, most mammals respect similar morals. By the end of the day, morals are subjective and there is no way one can provide proof of their objectivity.
To learn more you can watch this video: 'Morality: From the Heavens or From Nature?' by Dr. Andy Thomson, AAI 2009
then where do gays-do their vows,other than signing the document? I know that by documentation/form which is signed by both people~it acknowledges they are legally married,
I can tell you as Black person the same document can be signed by both "male and female couples" and there is Traditional Marriage because that is our Culture,then the vows in the Congregation by Religion.
Then about morals and Religion,
without morals where do you think we would have been ;for myself i would have been having "the dont care attitude",i know my ex girl friend of mine had no morals and she did not dwell much in a Gods Religion,and lack Culture information,always when she needs to be corrected she would use this quote"no heart feelings".after long time she would come back to same point where correction has been provided~with corrections and no longer the quote"no heart feelings",she will say "i did not notice".
There is just going to be insulted people no matter what the answer.
People don't realize, that sometimes the issues are the same but have differences but yet still the same.
Originally posted by Billymish:
then where do gays-do their vows,other than signing the document? I know that by documentation/form which is signed by both people~it acknowledges they are legally married,
I can tell you as Black person the same document can be signed by both "male and female couples" and there is Traditional Marriage because that is our Culture,then the vows in the Congregation by Religion.
Then about morals and Religion,
without morals where do you think we would have been ;for myself i would have been having "the dont care attitude",i know my ex girl friend of mine had no morals and she did not dwell much in a Gods Religion,and lack Culture information,always when she needs to be corrected she would use this quote"no heart feelings".after long time she would come back to same point where correction has been provided~with corrections and no longer the quote"no heart feelings",she will say "i did not notice".
Gays can do their vows the same way hetero couples do theirs in a civil marriage, it's that simple.
Like I said before, morals have nothing to do with Religion, for example, my parents are Catholic, I'm not. Yet we share all morals. If you found the video I posted too long, you can watch this one:
Originally posted by Billymish:
then where do gays-do their vows,other than signing the document? I know that by documentation/form which is signed by both people~it acknowledges they are legally married,
Uh, the same place I did? A city hall somewhere?
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Originally posted by Billymish:
But about morals and Religion i tend to differ~
there is a link between the two(morals&Religion)
respect,stealing,never bad mouth anyone,killing,a child is taught at an early stage on how to behave as girl/boy "sunday school or by parents" (to name few).
Of course there's a link between moral precepts and Christianity and Islam. Others I'm not sure about. But somewhere in every culture, there's a set of precepts governing what's allowable and what's not allowable. A society that is without that is no society at all. Some small groups simply died out when the social fabric shredded to the point where the old rules simply didn't hold any more.
Are atheists or agnostics less likely to behave morally than folks who have religious beliefs? On the whole, I think not. Small studies bolster that view. Additionally, behaviors and beliefs that were thought to be blessed by the Christian god have morphed or flipped. Slavery? Well, it was simply the curse of Ham!
Genesis 9:25-27: "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers. He also said, 'Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japeth live in the tents of Shem and may Canaan be his slave'. "
Originally posted by pedrojosecarreira:
Originally posted by rjhowie:
A-ha an IBerian contribution. Now we know there are two people living in Portugal including the droit Belfrager.
wow and they both use Opera
No they don't.
Until I have an answer to my reply regarding the accusations over me, you'll be the only one, my fellow countrymen.
We moved to DnD Sanctuary. rjhowie, I do my best to, at least, make some sense
Originally posted by pedrojosecarreira:
My nickname in the forum sucks, cos it doesn't show all the letters, it's pedrojosecarreira, actually
I don't know about the others but I would be way too lazy to type a nick longer than what I use here
Originally posted by pedrojosecarreira:
rjhowie, I do my best to, at least, make some sense
Many others here fail in horrible and usually amusing ways
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Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Well, I suppose "and the pursuit of happiness" that is enshrined in the Constitution allows for this, so in a word, yeah, I reckon
That and Equal Protection under the law and all that stuff.
Funny how many/most American conservatives are all about "limited" government have a disdain for "government interference" except when it comes to their personal excuse for morals. At that point they want to expand government to outlaw everything they don't approve of.
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Originally posted by rjhowie:
Yeah, quite right. Just your opinion.
you two should opt for a comedy club....
reminiscent of Abbot and Costello.
Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
That and Equal Protection under the law and all that stuff.
Indeed.
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Originally posted by Macallan:
I don't know about the others but I would be way too lazy to type a nick longer than what I use here
I never write it actually, and I only noticed that the forum has a limit of letters now
Originally posted by Tagasin:
Originally posted by imabasomeone:
Do you think that gay citizens should be able to get married?
i thinck no
Why?
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15. May 2010, 04:42:13 (edited)
If your a guy, imagine yourself married to an uglier guy than you!
Would you want to be denied a divorce on ugliness grounds alone? I perish to think not.
Sure, they should be able to spit it out just like anyone else, & not forced to keep swallowing anything they don't like anymore.
Straight & Horrified?
Ya shouldn't be.
Just ask those that know best, it's a naturally acquired taste!
Right boys?
It has nothing to do with who they love, it has everything to do with sexual lifestyle & freedom-----theirs not yours--so who cares.
They should be able to marry anyone or anything they please (except plant life), including their pets--from gerbils all the way up to pachyderms!
Just with one little criteria though, an asterisk so to speak.
Call it 'Gay-Marriage' as opposed to just plain old normal 'Marriage', so then they can still garner all the desired attention they strive for, but without hoodwinking us all into supporting them with normal benefits befitting a 'normal', traditional, & customary man/woman marriage.
A 'civil-union' with a bit of pizazz.
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Originally posted by Redem:
So, basically not marriage at all. Sorry, but no. Marriage for all. And here was I thinking you claimed to be the guy in favour of civil rights. Seems that only counts when it's yourself in question, like all teabaggers.
Ya got me pegged Red, ya got me pegged! You're always right, so bask in your perceptions.
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Originally posted by Redem:
And here was I thinking you claimed to be the guy in favour of civil rights
Who says you have rights when you are married????? You are really out of touch buddy...wow...never cease to amaze me....
You lose every bit of individuality and freedom you have. You are making wrong argument..
Originally posted by pedrojosecarreira:
Now that's just silly
Obviously marriage brings some rights to each person.
Obviously you are not married..
Well says it all now does it not religion is dawgged
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Well says it all now does it not religion is dawgged
Yep, many are coming home where they will receive the fullness of the faith without religion by mediocre consensus.
Originally posted by Denny77:
Originally posted by Juggalo1:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1278869/U-S-Church-ordains-lesbian-bishop-Mary-Glasspool-despite-warning-split-Anglican-Church.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Well says it all now does it not religion is dawgged
Yep, many are coming home where they will receive the fullness of the faith without religion by mediocre consensus.
well make sure your fishing tackle is ok i hear its slightly rotten
gosh how it feel thinking your the messiah ??
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Originally posted by rjhowie:
you'll cause cold air from up north
One thing about this country we are used to breezes from all directions..
From what I hear the Anglicans are coming home. At least priests. How many I don't know and I don't how many from UK? maybe wishful thinking.??I for sure would like to take ole,he-she, Clarabelle for a ride in a boat, with the fishes.
Portugal's president signs gay marriage bill
Portugal's conservative president announced Monday in Lisbon he is reluctantly ratifying a law allowing gay marriage, making the predominantly Catholic country the sixth in Europe to let same-sex couples wed.
President Anibal Cavaco Silva said he would not veto the bill, because majority liberal lawmakers would only overturn his decision. The country must focus instead on battling a crippling economic crisis that has increased unemployment and deepened poverty, he said.
"Given that fact, I feel I should not contribute to a pointless extension of this debate, which would only serve to deepen the divisions between the Portuguese and divert the attention of politicians away from the grave problems affecting us," Cavaco Silva said.
He said he was setting aside his "personal convictions," though he did not elaborate and did not take reporters' questions.
The country's parliament passed the Socialist government-backed bill in January, with the support of all of Portugal's left-of-center parties, who together have a majority. Right-of-center parties opposed the measure and demanded a national referendum.
Elsewhere in Europe, gay marriage is permitted in Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and Norway. As well, five U.S. states and Washington, D.C., have legalized same-sex marriage, as have Canada and South Africa. @ CBC
Originally posted by pedrojosecarreira:
Portugal's conservative president announced Monday in Lisbon he is reluctantly ratifying a law allowing gay marriage, making the predominantly Catholic country the sixth in Europe to let same-sex couples wed.
( I thought that needed some emphasis )
Originally posted by pedrojosecarreira:
Elsewhere in Europe, gay marriage is permitted in Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and Norway. As well, five U.S. states and Washington, D.C., have legalized same-sex marriage, as have Canada and South Africa. @ CBC
It's kinda-sorta permitted in Germany too, they just don't call it 'marriage' - why they pander to the churches I have no clue since the only legally binding marriages are civic ones anyway.
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But, the important thing is that, uh, universal marriage (let's call it that way
) will be a reality in Portugal.
Originally posted by pedrojosecarreira:
Oh, yes, he didn't mean a word of what he said in his speech, it was kinda pathetic, actually. He even dared to mix economy with the subject of gay marriage. Oh, and he didn't have the courage to announce his decision while the Pope was in Portugal
Well, according to the article he could have vetoed it while the pope was there just to suck up to Old Ratty and have it overturned later on.
Originally posted by pedrojosecarreira:
But, the important thing is that, uh, universal marriage (let's call it that way
Indeed.
What gets me is - countries like Spain and Portugal which according to available statistics are quite a bit more religious than your average german get legislation like this while a certain brand of spineless german politicians shit their pants when a catholic bishop so much as farts in their general direction. Separation of church and state my arse, in some regions it only exists on paper.
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Originally posted by Macallan:
What gets me is - countries like Spain and Portugal which according to available statistics are quite a bit more religious than your average german get legislation like this while a certain brand of spineless german politicians shit their pants when a catholic bishop so much as farts in their general direction. Separation of church and state my arse, in some regions it only exists on paper.
From what I understand by traveling to northern European countries, we're not really more religious then them. Catholics in latin countries may be more 'effusive' in their religious expressions but they're not more religious really. One thing I noticed is that most northern countries respect religious holidays, in Portugal for example we don't even close our stores except for the Christmas day. So, it's really not that linear, there are things where northern countries respect religion more.
Originally posted by pedrojosecarreira:
Originally posted by Macallan:
What gets me is - countries like Spain and Portugal which according to available statistics are quite a bit more religious than your average german get legislation like this while a certain brand of spineless german politicians shit their pants when a catholic bishop so much as farts in their general direction. Separation of church and state my arse, in some regions it only exists on paper.
From what I understand by traveling to northern European countries, we're not really more religious then them. Catholics in latin countries may be more 'effusive' in their religious expressions but they're not more religious really. One thing I noticed is that most northern countries respect religious holidays, in Portugal for example we don't even close our stores except for the Christmas day. So, it's really not that linear, there are things where northern countries respect religion more.
I suspected something like that ( as in, more relaxed attitude to religion ). Or maybe it's the way the data are gathered - in Germany people have to state their religious affiliation when filing taxes because the state also collects 'church' taxes ( and hands them over to the relevant organizations, not necessarily christian churches ). This will likely skew the numbers since those who believe in some sort of god(s) but don't want to pay tithes would be counted as non-religious - a poll that just asks about beliefs would get completely different results. Also, some northern countries have state churches with large numbers of people who are members on paper only ( Norway for example, which according to statistics has quite a number of atheists in its state church for whatever reason )
And about holidays - any excuse to have a day off is a good excuse
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, simply because they provide some services i appreciate.Originally posted by NoobSaibot:
i still pay the church taxes, being catholic and stuff
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There you go..
HOWEVER. I do not think that gay couples should be allowed to adopt children. The chances of the child coming up gay are high. And while there is nothing wrong with that, it would kind of doom the entire human race. So.. umm... yeah. That's a no no
Originally posted by MConor:
Anybody who says otherwise is racist. Marriage is no longer a tradition. If so, divorce is a tradition too. Get over yourself, your just being prejudiced.
HOWEVER. I do not think that gay couples should be allowed to adopt children. The chances of the child coming up gay are high. And while there is nothing wrong with that, it would kind of doom the entire human race. So.. umm... yeah. That's a no no
Would you personally marry another man if you could, and then adopt children?
If not, why do you think everyone else would?
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Originally posted by rjhowie:
Aye, well stay there.
Rj! Not very welcoming...that was the man's first post.
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Originally posted by Macallan:
Would you personally marry another man if you could, and then adopt children? If not, why do you think everyone else would?
Mac, do you think that was a "whistling in the dark" endorsement of gaiety?
For the record, there are 9 countries that preceded Argentina. In order of approval: the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, South Africa, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, and Iceland.
Get on with it, other countries!
It's definitely a lot better than nothing, and presumably a step toward marriage.
Originally posted by Frenzie:
The British cohabitation agreement is close, but it doesn't allow you to do things like adopt a child together.
For your information in Portugal (that you have mentioned as a country that allows gay marriage) homosexuals also can't adopt children. They can "marry" (and only that, not adopting) thanks to the socialist government law that has refused the civil society claim for a referendum knowing that that law will never be approved by the Portuguese People. But they needed to try to capture votes inside the european-chic extreme left party.
Now you have the full picture, if it interests you.
We moved to DnD Sanctuary.Originally posted by Belfrager:
For your information in Portugal (that you have mentioned as a country that allows gay marriage) homosexuals also can't adopt children.
That's certainly peculiar. None of the newspapers here mentioned that. Kind of a sham to call it marriage, then.
Originally posted by Belfrager:
Now you have the full picture, if it interests you.
Thanks.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
Well might be his first post Jaybro but this is a long thread and he has to learn how things are here.
What, homophobic? No, RJ, that's how you are. Not how 'things are here'...
Would be better for the government to stay clean,I mean logically marriage or being we'd is for a female and male couple,even the law of the body embraces it,we man have a member to embrace our legacy,and woman the receptionist,the bringer of our desire(a son or daughter)
if marriage means,a key and a lock,could marry mean a key with a key?
I mean what purpose it were if needed to be unlocked if were if needed to find the thing that unlocks without having the things that unlocks it
Not exactly quoted,but something jack sparrow said(a Disney movie)
but back again,a government needs a strong firm foundation
Originally posted by NewTonyIc:
Not exactly quoted,but something jack sparrow said(a Disney movie)
:rofl:
In all of the arguments I have ever seen on this issue both for and against, this has to be one of the most original.
I have never seen a Disney character ever be dragged into this argument before.
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I do get a tad tired of so many queers who mince about on tv and the media generally pushing their lifestyle. It is not the way the run of the mill homo acts in day to day life so why these monstrosities camp it up is beyond me. They have the freedom to do what they want but a little less showmanship and grand standing would be fine. You can call me what you like but I basically don't like their lives and that is my right of opinion as it is the "open minded" who try to stifle you or the queers who have plenty of rights without hitting us over the head with them continually.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
I do get a tad tired of so many queers who mince about on tv and the media generally pushing their lifestyle. It is not the way the run of the mill homo acts in day to day life so why these monstrosities camp it up is beyond me. They have the freedom to do what they want but a little less showmanship and grand standing would be fine. You can call me what you like but I basically don't like their lives and that is my right of opinion as it is the "open minded" who try to stifle you or the queers who have plenty of rights without hitting us over the head with them continually.
That could be rewritten about the macho images presented in the media as well, or the pious images, or the middle class armchair philosophyer images, or whatever other iamge you wish.
Why then do you single out the camp image for special concern? The dour scot image is as irritating, but you don't hear me complaining about you hitting us over the head with it on this site.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You can call me what you like but I basically don't like their lives
The question is, what do their lives have to do with you? What business is it of yours?
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Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You can call me what you like but I basically don't like their lives
The question is, what do their lives have to do with you? What business is it of yours?
He wants them in their closets, just like him
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
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Originally posted by rjhowie:
Well how daft can you get with that last answer to me thedawgfan.
Read it again......slowly if you must.
Perhaps then you will understand my intention of posting it.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
Considering that such views are espoused here I am of course perfectly entitled to challenge them or not like them.
Of course you are, but you are being a wiltering tulip here by not addressing my questions to you.
Come now, man of the Stone City, please answer my questions to you. I thought it was all "No surrender" to you?
Are you surrendering to my question that it is, in fact, none of your business, and their lives have nothing at all to do with you?
Originally posted by rjhowie:
It is what is called free speech.
Oh I know it well. You see, I will never have that right taken away from me.
Unfortunately, it is highly likely that you will have that right taken from you by Brussels.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
It is therefor in the public arena and open to discussion. What a strange observation.
Quit stonewalling please, and please answer the questions.
Unless you want to surrender?
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Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Unfortunately, it is highly likely that you will have that right taken from you by Brussels.
Only if the British manage to push it through.
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Originally posted by rjhowie:
Yeah, yeah the usual trite put down by the liberal minded middle class there Me-he-co man.
A put down? Yes, quite possibly. Being a homophobe is a negative thing. But I thought of my comment, primarily, as stating a fact. Why? Well...
Originally posted by rjhowie:
I do get a tad tired of so many queers who mince about on tv and the media generally pushing their lifestyle
The derogatory terminology you like to use, for one. The way you always feel that something is being 'pushed on you', for two.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You can call me what you like but I basically don't like their lives...
Which shouldn't be a problem. See, I don't like your life. I think the marches you go on are silly and childish, and your religious beliefs are quite frankly ridiculous and defy any form of intelligence.
The difference here is that while I'm perfectly happy for you to continue going on silly marches and worshipping a ficticious zombie, which very simply are your business and not mine, you do not want to offer the same live and let live ideology to the gay community.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
...is my right of opinion as it is the "open minded" who try to stifle you or the queers who have plenty of rights without hitting us over the head with them continually.
And yet you want to deny the gay communities the same rights that heterosexuals have. Further, you often claim that gays have 'special rights' that heterosexuals don't have.
Yet, to date, and despite numerous requests from numerous forum members, you have thus far failed to come up with a single right that gay people have that heterosexual people don't have. Not one.
As usual, when you're wrong, you respond with bodyswerving and personal attacks.
If you feel the "sanctity" of your marriage would be threatened by something like this you and your spouse need to have a long talk with a trained professional.
It's a mystery to me why anyone still feels the need to get married anymore anyway. Sure marriage can afford you some legal rights and/or perks but a truly loving and committed relationship shouldn't need a piece of paper to hold it together.
Keep smiling, it makes people wonder what you're up to.
All my favorite things are either immoral, illegal or fattening.
My soul isn't lost. It's been removed to make room for sarcasm and chocolate.
Some people are like Slinkies...
Not really good for anything, but you can't help but grin when you see one tumble down the stairs.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
I do get a tad tired of so many queers who mince about on tv and the media generally pushing their lifestyle.
Well maybe you should take a break from watching that premium 'adult' cable channel and read a book or something for a change
http://www.wildlifeaid.org.uk
Meantime for all the Teflon heads yakking about me here please feel free to snuggle up with the queer mob whilst i keep my distance and maintain a stance against them. Both count as free speech. Kind of ironic that someone from the hypocritical land of the free and home of the brave waffles about the same free speech with the record over there.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You should read again s-l-o-w-l-y what you said and see how it appears in print
It appears just fine. It must be you with the reading problem. Perhaps if you read it v - e - r - y s - l - o - w - l - y it will eventually dawn on you.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
....maintain a stance against them.
And another piece of literature that demonstrate your homophobic tendencies.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
Both count as free speech.
You don't want free speech. You want to discriminate
Originally posted by rjhowie:
but one quickly sees the intolerance from the liberal minds here. It is funny how intolerable the claimed tolerants are towards critics.
No, it's a matter of being intolerant towards intolerance.
Don't worry RJ. I didn't expect an answer to any points raised. I didn't expect you to get any of it. In fact, expectations regards your good self are generally around the zero mark.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You are as usual playing wit words thedawgfan. You were still being silly but trying to be smart and wander into mind games. You should read again s-l-o-w-l-y what you said and see how it appears in print. No-one can accuse me of being to the point as history here shows the onslaught from the Crazy Gang of wonderful open minds here you are with who descend on me as soon as I challenge anything to do with queers or indeed what doesn't fit their view of the world. Actually I was being reasonable but one quickly sees the intolerance from the liberal minds here. It is funny how intolerable the claimed tolerants are towards critics.
Meantime for all the Teflon heads yakking about me here please feel free to snuggle up with the queer mob whilst i keep my distance and maintain a stance against them. Both count as free speech. Kind of ironic that someone from the hypocritical land of the free and home of the brave waffles about the same free speech with the record over there.
This is you being reasonable. Got you.
By the by, you're not a critic. You're a bigot at best. At worst...nevermind. I wouldn't want be labeled an intolerant liberal mind or anything.
Keep smiling, it makes people wonder what you're up to.
All my favorite things are either immoral, illegal or fattening.
My soul isn't lost. It's been removed to make room for sarcasm and chocolate.
Some people are like Slinkies...
Not really good for anything, but you can't help but grin when you see one tumble down the stairs.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You are as usual playing wit words thedawgfan. You were still being silly but trying to be smart and wander into mind games.
No, I'm not. I am being straight to the point.
Will you continue your wiltering tulip ways, or will you answer the questions?
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You should read again s-l-o-w-l-y what you said and see how it appears in print.
It's quite simple and very much to the point. Perhaps I should type it in Gaelic for you?
Please quit stonewalling and answer the questions.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
No-one can accuse me of being to the point as history here shows the onslaught from the Crazy Gang of wonderful open minds here you are with who descend on me as soon as I challenge anything to do with queers or indeed what doesn't fit their view of the world.
You are somewhat right. You are being cowardly.
You are being cowardly and you are stonewalling.
*chuckles* This is the problem with Protestants; since they cannot discriminate against people of color anymore, they have launched an assault on the homos. Are you a big fan of Paul, mentioned in the bible, Mr. Howie? Did you know he was a homosexual?
Originally posted by rjhowie:
It is funny how intolerable the claimed tolerants are towards critics.
You mean we are being intolerant of you discriminating?
Gee, I wonder why?
Originally posted by rjhowie:
Meantime for all the Teflon heads yakking about me here please feel free to snuggle up with the queer mob whilst i keep my distance and maintain a stance against them.
You keep your distance eh? It's no wonder you must put on such a charade about your numerous wummin(s).
No matter if you agree with their lifestyle or not, having a homosexual as a friend has many advantages.
The main one being, that they have the most damning ability to be a woman magnet. Thus, if you are friends with them, your chance at getting with the always-good looking women that they attract is multiplied ten-fold.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
Kind of ironic that someone from the hypocritical land of the free and home of the brave waffles about the same free speech with the record over there.
Coming from a country whose Head of State married her cousin, combined with the genocides of the Indians, Irish, and numerous others, you should consider removing that plank from your eye before you post again, Mr. Howie.
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Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Are you a big fan of Paul, mentioned in the bible, Mr. Howie? Did you know he was a homosexual?
What do you mean? I know he's rather ardent against them, but I rather doubt that all homophobes are repressed.
You challenged my right to criticise your queer bandwagon pals. And now you wander off conveniently. May I remind you yet again in the land of the free and home of the brave that you lot spout all that stuff about a Constitution setting a tone for everyone everywhere. Stride across the world trying to impose your way of life as the almost divine explanation of democracy (pause for a laugh).
Having done all this posturing and breast beating to the rest of the poor world that isn't fortunate to be within your borders you persecuted races and denied rights at home. All that with a Constitution that wasn't worth the damn paper for all the high sounding stuff. Talk about moats and eyes. This history was inside the very land that tries to take the moral high ground in the world and you didn't have to cross the world for it! Well, it was convenient. You didn't have to leave the good ole US of A to be denied your rights, be ethnic cleansed, burned, lynched, land stolen and now so many living in poverty. If ever there was a country that yakked so much about freedom, democracy and rights but has it's own internal story one of the complete opposite it has to be those Ex-Colonies.
Mince on with your ever so, every so palsy walsies
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You are being a silly boy the dawgfan.
I' ll take that as a compliment.
Asinine and bigoted comes to mind in terms of my oppo in this debate.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You challenged my right to criticise your queer bandwagon pals.
No, let me put this in big print for you since you obviously cannot read it:
Originally posted by thedawgfan:
The question is, what do their lives have to do with you? What business is it of yours?
Originally posted by rjhowie:
May I remind you yet again in the land of the free and home of the brave that you lot spout all that stuff about a Constitution setting a tone for everyone everywhere. Stride across the world trying to impose your way of life as the almost divine explanation of democracy (pause for a laugh).
Your usual
ing I see.What a freakin coward....... A proud Prot from the Stone City surrendering to me in a debate.
I will alert The Scotsmen and the O.O. newspaper. This must be a 1st, seeing as how you lot run about saying "No surrender!".
Yet, you surrender to me. Well done!
Originally posted by rjhowie:
Having done all this posturing and breast beating to the rest of the poor world that isn't fortunate to be within your borders you persecuted races and denied rights at home. All that with a Constitution that wasn't worth the damn paper for all the high sounding stuff. Talk about moats and eyes. This history was inside the very land that tries to take the moral high ground in the world and you didn't have to cross the world for it! Well, it was convenient. You didn't have to leave the good ole US of A to be denied your rights, be ethnic cleansed, burned, lynched, land stolen and now so many living in poverty. If ever there was a country that yakked so much about freedom, democracy and rights but has it's own internal story one of the complete opposite it has to be those Ex-Colonies.
*yawns* Strange how we learned it all from the UK.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
Mince on with your ever so, every so palsy walsies
I'll tell ya what, Mr. Howie, I'll keep being friends with homosexuals who attract the most beautiful women you have ever seen, and you can keep going steady with Palmala. Deal?
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I am a Juggalo... I am an individual guided by Light... I know who I am and who I want to be. I recognize that the path to Shangri La requires an open mind... I shall not judge. I am part of a Family... I shall Love my Family as I would my blood. I shall do my Family no harm as I know what is done to others shall surely be done to me. I shall strive to honor my Family and not disgrace their name.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You challenged my right to criticise your queer bandwagon pals. And now you wander off conveniently. May I remind you yet again in the land of the free and home of the brave that you lot spout all that stuff about a Constitution setting a tone for everyone everywhere. Stride across the world trying to impose your way of life as the almost divine explanation of democracy (pause for a laugh).
Having done all this posturing and breast beating to the rest of the poor world that isn't fortunate to be within your borders you persecuted races and denied rights at home. All that with a Constitution that wasn't worth the damn paper for all the high sounding stuff. Talk about moats and eyes. This history was inside the very land that tries to take the moral high ground in the world and you didn't have to cross the world for it! Well, it was convenient. You didn't have to leave the good ole US of A to be denied your rights, be ethnic cleansed, burned, lynched, land stolen and now so many living in poverty. If ever there was a country that yakked so much about freedom, democracy and rights but has it's own internal story one of the complete opposite it has to be those Ex-Colonies.
RJ, that's a mighty fine load of hypocrisy from someone who so ardently supports the British Empire with such fervour. But you didn't answer any of the questions put to you.
Seems to me you are trying to change the subject, to save from having to answer questions that you aren't brave enough to tackle. Are Glaswegians always this cowardly and lily livered?
Originally posted by thedawgfan:
The question is, what do their lives have to do with you? What business is it of yours?
What 'special rights' do homosexuals have in the UK that heterosexuals don't have?
Do you believe that homosexuality should have been legalised in the UK?
Originally posted by garydenness:
What 'special rights' do homosexuals have in the UK that heterosexuals don't have?
That's simple:
For England, Wales, and Scotland, the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 makes hateful behaviour towards a victim based on the victim’s membership (or presumed membership) in a racial group or a religious group an aggravation in sentencing for specified crimes.[34] For Northern Ireland, Public Order (Northern Ireland) Order 1987 (S.I. 1987/463 (N.I. 7)) serves the same purpose.[35] A “racial group” is a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins. A “religious group” is a group of persons defined by reference to religious belief or lack of religious belief. The specified crimes are assault, criminal damage, offences under the Public Order Act 1986, and offences under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997.
The Criminal Justice Act 2003 compels a court to consider whether a crime which is not specified by the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 is racially or religiously aggravated. The Act compels a court also to consider whether the following circumstances were pertinent to the crime:
(a) that, at the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrated towards the victim of the offence hostility based on—
(i) the sexual orientation (or presumed sexual orientation) of the victim, or
(ii) a disability (or presumed disability) of the victim, or
(b) that the offence is motivated (wholly or partly)—
(i) by hostility towards persons who are of a particular sexual orientation, or
(ii) by hostility towards persons who have a disability or a particular disability.[36][37]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime#United_Kingdom
Additionally, depending on local legislation, it may be harder to evict homosexuals (or Muslims and other minorities) if they're bad tenants. Ironically, this may very well lead to more discrimination than there was because landlords may be afraid to run into that problem if the people in question are bad tenants. I don't know if that is an issue in the UK and if it is, whether it applies to homosexuals, but it's certainly a possibility.
Originally posted by Frenzie:
That's simple:
It's not so simple. Heterosexual people are also covered under that Act. There are other flaws, but that pretty much finishes off the C&D Act as a 'special right'.
So nothing so far, Mr Howie...can you come up with anything?
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Additionally, depending on local legislation, it may be harder to evict homosexuals (or Muslims and other minorities) if they're bad tenants.
You'd have to show me the piece of legislation concerned for me to believe it. I can well believe that due to bad tenants pulling the race card etc, that it may in practise be true. But not for any legal reason.
Originally posted by garydenness:
It's not so simple. Heterosexual people are also covered under that Act. There are other flaws, but that pretty much finishes off the C&D Act as a 'special right'.
Alright.
Originally posted by garydenness:
You'd have to show me the piece of legislation concerned for me to believe it. I can well believe that due to bad tenants pulling the race card etc, that it may in practise be true. But not for any legal reason.
I fail to see how "pulling the race card" isn't a legal reason, for no race card could be pulled without legal precedent.
Originally posted by Frenzie:
I fail to see how "pulling the race card" isn't a legal reason, for no race card could be pulled without legal precedent.
It's not a matter of law. Very few people evicted from properties because they are bad tenants take the matter up further claiming that they were really evicted because they are 'white'. Or heterosexual, for that matter. If you are evicting a person who belongs to a minority, you perhaps need to be extra certain that you've got all the evidence you need, to fend off any later accusations that you acted according to prejudice.
In my previous employment in the UK, we had an HR dept so determined to avoid any news headline of 'racist oil company' that they would try and interfere with decisions made by retail managers. Unsuccessfully if the manager knows what he's doing, by the by.
This does not mean there is any legal precedent in favour of minorities. The law equally applies to all groups. A heterosexual couple evicted by a gay landlord on the basis of their sexuality are covered equally as those in the reverse situation. But I refer you to my second and third sentences.
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Not all parties think as rationally as you.
There are some thoroughly irrational people in the world. But the law is still the law.
One of my favourite stories, one often used in employment law training, involved a manager who bad mouthed his employer, using profanity and derogatory language to both employees and the press. The employer confronted the manager at a party that evening, and told him to be in his office the next morning so he could 'tear up his contract and shove it up his arse'.
The manager failed to show for the 'appointment', and was dismissed. The manager took the case to a tribunal and won on grounds of unfair dismissal. Telling someone, especially at an informal out of work event, to be in an office so that you can 'tear up his contract and shove it up his arse' is not correct procedure as defined by employment law when requiring an employee to attend a disciplinary hearing.
Employment law in the UK, as with most laws regarding evictions etc, might be lengthy and wordy, but are really fairly straightforward, apply to all, and are reasonably fair. You just have to follow them, and all will be well.
Originally posted by garydenness:
There are some thoroughly irrational people in the world. But the law is still the law.
Ftr, I meant political parties (lawmakers), GroenLinks in particular. Luckily our laws are reasonable for the most part, and it's not super-easy to add some kind of hate crime as affirmative action. Also PvdA (Labor) messed up coalition negotiations, so maybe we won't see GL in government at all.
Originally posted by garydenness:
Employment law in the UK, as with most laws regarding evictions etc, might be lengthy and wordy, but are really fairly straightforward, apply to all, and are reasonably fair. You just have to follow them, and all will be well.
Same in most of the Western world, I imagine.
Originally posted by garydenness:
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You challenged my right to criticise your queer bandwagon pals. And now you wander off conveniently. May I remind you yet again in the land of the free and home of the brave that you lot spout all that stuff about a Constitution setting a tone for everyone everywhere. Stride across the world trying to impose your way of life as the almost divine explanation of democracy (pause for a laugh).
Having done all this posturing and breast beating to the rest of the poor world that isn't fortunate to be within your borders you persecuted races and denied rights at home. All that with a Constitution that wasn't worth the damn paper for all the high sounding stuff. Talk about moats and eyes. This history was inside the very land that tries to take the moral high ground in the world and you didn't have to cross the world for it! Well, it was convenient. You didn't have to leave the good ole US of A to be denied your rights, be ethnic cleansed, burned, lynched, land stolen and now so many living in poverty. If ever there was a country that yakked so much about freedom, democracy and rights but has it's own internal story one of the complete opposite it has to be those Ex-Colonies.
RJ, that's a mighty fine load of hypocrisy from someone who so ardently supports the British Empire with such fervour. But you didn't answer any of the questions put to you.
Seems to me you are trying to change the subject, to save from having to answer questions that you aren't brave enough to tackle. Are Glaswegians always this cowardly and lily livered?Originally posted by thedawgfan:
The question is, what do their lives have to do with you? What business is it of yours?
What 'special rights' do homosexuals have in the UK that heterosexuals don't have?
Do you believe that homosexuality should have been legalised in the UK?
NO should be a wonder drug for chocolate pudding dipping ...but i dont hate i just do not beleive in same agender sex ,does not mean one should be stigamatised but should not be made legal
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