He wants united Africa and divided Nigeria; how?

He wants united Africa and divided Nigeria; how?

Libyan leader, Col. Muammar Ghaddafi, has an interesting antidote to the frequent religious riots in Nigeria: break the country into two – something like the Islamic Republic of Northern Nigeria and Christian Republic of Southern Nigeria. In his own calculations, this is the ultimate recipe for peace and stability. There would be no more religious riots and burning of places of worship. We would live apart happily ever after. Hindus an Muslims used to have a similar problem in India, Ghaddafi reminded us, until it was split in two with the creation of Pakistan for Muslims in 1947. Many Nigerians have reacted angrily to his suggestion. Senate President David Mark, a Northern Christian described Ghaddafi as “a mad man”. The House of Representatives wants Nigeria to save diplomatic ties with Libya in protest. The Federal Government has recalled the Nigerian ambassador to Libya
“ for consultations” – obviously over Ghaddafi’s pronouncement On the other hand, not everyone is disgusted. Many Nigerians, especially Southerners, are backing the proposal. The "Hausa people" are the problem of Nigeria, they argue, and Nigeria would be better off without
them. Their argument goes thus:
Until the country is divided into North and South, Nigeria will never make progress. It is the North that is “dragging us back”. After all, it is the South that is sustaining the North through oil. The argument goes on and on.

I don't think Africa being devided would work rather sadly that would likely cause more conflict

I think Mr. Ghaddafi should read up what happened with the split into Pakistan, India, and later Bangladesh. Not such a rosy example. Redesigning the African states into more rational units is an interesting intellectual exercise, but dangerous put into practice. Essentially this is what happened in Europe during the 20th century, and that century was the bloodiest in Europe's history.

Lengthy posts make D&D rather boring.Please try minimizing the lengths of your posts. As for the libyan tzar,i don't think he merit the honour of generating a debate/spar in D&D

Length isn't the issue ( here at least ) but seriously annoying formatting, bad paste jobs or in other cases very bad english, are sure ways to keep people from reading more than a few lines.

Wall of text (no punctuation, capitalization, paragraphs or otherwise... unusual) is an issue. Length is not.

some pictures would be nice as well ... if not on topic boobs would be nice and keep the audience entertained

Oh dear now keloda saunters into the patronising know-it-all after such a short sojourn here. He should learn that it is not the length of the answer but the content. After all he can sometimes produce short entries that mean sweet Fanny Adams. If we were to judge by his stance then epistles are the way to go.

Rj Howie needs 're-education' on replying to posts!Now anyone who goes through this thread will realise howie is "the black sheep" in the forum.Alway speaking off-topic or creating a topic in an existing topic.Macallan,please help.He needs it

Now it just shows how simple you are keloda and even having reached 155 posts don't realise the obvious.

If you care to study the threads you will see that ever thread has never stayed on it's original theme and goes off-topic. Indeed I noticed this and had it confirmed from another regular contributor when I first came on here over seven and half thousand posts ago. That is what actually happens not some wandering in your mind. But in you haste to try and get at me you fail to realise this. By all means appeal to someone else for help as you need it. I am sure that even Macallan will inform you of the situation if he has a mind too? Once you co-ordinate your eyes and brain you will see I am telling you the truth. Perhaps someone else in the sense of reasonableness will confirm what I say please as this man will not acknowledge this from me. Not that I am too fazed about silliness but enlightenment is important - for him.

Mr Ghadaffi needs to start adressing issues closer 2 home, like retiring

I just realized that there is no difference between aged and baby. paharps this affected Mr Ghaddafi's speeches!

He may be a product of that Continent but he sadly for it he is a nut job. A nondescript officer in the military who became a dictator and worse than the regime that went before it. Doesn't say much for Libya I suppose?

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

He wants united Africa and divided Nigeria; how?

Separate Church and State.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

He wants united Africa and divided Nigeria; how?

Separate Church and State.

The guy who declared Libya an 'islamic republic'?

Originally posted by Macallan:

The guy who declared Libya an 'islamic republic'?

Well, Danbuzu did ask how to united Nigeria, so.....

Separate Church and State in Nigeria? But there is no State Church in Nigeria so what point are you making thedawgfan? The nightmare is already coping with a massive fault line betwixt north (Muslim) and south (Christian) as it is. Maybe it should split as it looks like a package stuck together with cellotape very loosely.

Yeah, and if you split it along religious lines both parts would be a lot more likely to actually adopt some sort of state church.

Absolutely to say the fact northern nigeria people are the problem of our country, they are too wicked!

Originally posted by Olalekan04:

Absolutely to say the fact northern nigeria people are the problem of our country, they are too wicked!

How?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

But there is no State Church in Nigeria so what point are you making thedawgfan?

My point is simple: They have no official state church, no. But the Muslims in the North are trying their best to impose their Islamic law on the whole country and the South is/will become more reactionary (i.e. fundamentalist like their Northern counterparts).

Religion should never have any impact on a gov'ts functions. If you think that some of the Northern lot in Nigeria's gov't don't have an agenda, well....

Originally posted by Olalekan04:

Absolutely to say the fact northern nigeria people are the problem of our country, they are too wicked!

You live in the South?

That is not a point at all. You brought State Churches into the argument which is pointless in the discussion on Nigeria. That kind of thing is not a parallel at all. I dare say that there will be strong feelings inside Nigeria depending whether they are from north or south. One does get the impression that in the north the Muslims are being particularly separatist in mentality. It is a very deeply divided country and if it cannot be solved they should let the north b- off and move on. How long the north would last would be interesting?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You brought State Churches into the argument which is pointless in the discussion on Nigeria.

Mr. Howie, I know you don't have much knowledge of political matters, but a "state" is simply another reference for a country.
"A body politic, especially one constituting a nation" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/state

You are being supercilious now Souther ranter and it is obvious what I know. I have taken your word that you have reached Uni level for the sake of discussion. If you want off the hook by twisting my words then we reach a pointless crossroads. Always the same with the young. A bit of education and they think they know it all. Your youthful self-arrogance I do hope will wear in time as you mature. So is the tendency in youth to dance on the top of a pinhead to make a useless point.

As for the more important thread itself now that we have followed your usual distraction in dancing I would like to hear from the squad of Nigerians who have descended here what they think of separation. Is the divide between north and south too deep to get over? Or is it a case of struggling to keep unity alive?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You are being supercilious now Souther ranter and it is obvious what I know. I have taken your word that you have reached Uni level for the sake of discussion. If you want off the hook by twisting my words then we reach a pointless crossroads. Always the same with the young. A bit of education and they think they know it all. Your youthful self-arrogance I do hope will wear in time as you mature. So is the tendency in youth to dance on the top of a pinhead to make a useless point.

Excellent job on finally admitting you were wrong, congrats!

The bell has went for your equivalent of our Primary School son. You would make a good politician the way you twist things. Seems to be the Crazy Gang's answer to most things here?

One thing remains certain.The nothern muslims are the prime problem of Nigeria.I never realized that untill recently.The preset president wants a deputy.he selected a governor from one of the state.Constitutionally,the deputy governor of that state ought to pick up the leadership mantle.But what do we see?The muslims refusing because he deputy is a christian.The same stuff they do on the international scene is what they display on the Nigerian corridor of power.Too power-drunk.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The bell has went for your equivalent of our Primary School son.

At least when I went to school I mastered the English language.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You would make a good politician the way you twist things.

That is what I strive to be.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Seems to be the Crazy Gang's answer to most things here?

Nope, but at least we give answers, unlike some people...

Oh what you mastered was word games boy. I always give answers but you don't like them and so in come the trite one-liners. You twist it into being erratic when I am consistent in the things I support, believe in and so on. Judging by your attitude here you will I fully agree make a goodly politician. So there is a passing point of agreement?

Unfortunately due to this now consistent deviation by the boy we have word gamed at his behest into an off-shoot. So I will try again. Can Nigeria be kept intact or is it pointless?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Oh what you mastered was word games boy.

Thanks for proving my point. You should have inserted a comma between the words, games and boy.
(I'm afraid you won't get your star today. )

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I always give answers but you don't like them and so in come the trite one-liners.

Really? If that's the case, please answer this as "Yes, thedawgfan, I will post a picture of one of my Glasweigian wummin(s)." or "No, thedawgfan, I will not aquiesque to your request."
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=5498911
(In that thread, and not this one of course.)

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You twist it into being erratic when I am consistent in the things I support, believe in and so on.

I most certainly do not and I challenge you to prove it.
As for consistency, I am always evaluating and re-evaluating things that I support, believe in, and all that.
I am man enough to admit when I am wrong, and I was wrong in some things in my life and have since rectified the things which were wrong.
What about you, can you admit to being wrong?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Judging by your attitude here you will I fully agree make a goodly politician. So there is a passing point of agreement?

Thanks, and absolutely, Mr. Howie. (Irn Bru)

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Unfortunately due to this now consistent deviation by the boy we have word gamed at his behest into an off-shoot.

It is you who deviate old-timer, not I.
Here is where, you semi-deviated from the topic:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=5518551

Originally posted by keloda:

One thing remains certain.The nothern muslims are the prime problem of Nigeria.I never realized that untill recently.The preset president wants a deputy.he selected a governor from one of the state.Constitutionally,the deputy governor of that state ought to pick up the leadership mantle.But what do we see?The muslims refusing because he deputy is a christian.The same stuff they do on the international scene is what they display on the Nigerian corridor of power.Too power-drunk.

I suggest you advice CAN to put no hand anymore in the Nigeria's politics since the other body is not doing such.

Give the man a break!

Division is necessary.The northerners are power-drunk.We've got to leave the yo yo of power for the kids.let them get drunk and drunk.too selfish to be the neighbour next door.To hell with them

Division of Nigeria didn't work so well the last time it was tried.

Originally posted by keloda:

Division is necessary.The northerners are power-drunk.We've got to leave the yo yo of power for the kids.let them get drunk and drunk.too selfish to be the neighbour next door.To hell with them

I don't think you pray for Nigeria! You are not a good citizen at all!!

Rather the notherner s are the selfish citizens.I was born and bred inthe north.I only moved to the east early this year.All this while,i had believed in one Nigeria.But now iam a different person.You talk about one Nigeria when the the easterners had been banned from the corridor of power.The ruling party had taken a vow of recycling power between the north and the west(are the southerners and easterners not part of the ruling famil?).The northerners are afraid of seperation because they will lose te following from the breakking-away parts
1.A meal ticket
2.The path way to civilization
3.Recognition from the international scene.
Gadaffi spoke out of a 40 years experience in power(besides,experience is the best teacher).What the norhteners displaye during the transition period before the late president's shows their complete inability to live among people.To hell with them

Not wishing to be sidetracked by waffling murmurings from the Mississip (Nigerians should be glad that when he takes up politics you are far away), it seems to me that Nigeria is falling apart with a very deep flaw it does not seem to be getting over regarding the north and south. It goes beyond simple street protest but destruction and killing. How did it get to this point for goodness sake?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

How did it get to this point for goodness sake?

Originally posted by Wikipedia:

In 1900 the company's territory came under the control of the British government, which moved to consolidate its hold over the area of modern Nigeria. On January 1, 1901 Nigeria became a British protectorate, part of the British Empire, the foremost world power at the time. Many wars against subjugation had been fought by the states of what later became Nigeria against the British Empire in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century. Notably of those were the British Conquest of Benin in 1897 and the Anglo-Aro War from 1901—1902. The restraint or complete destruction of these states opened up the Niger area to British rule. In 1914, the Niger area was formally united as the Colony and Protectorate of Nigeria.

The idea of northerners staying on their own is ridiculous. I stay in the north and i know for a fact that the only thing they can control is their cows. Their system of government will be interesting though, ask them to jump they ask 'how high?'
As for the ghaddafi, let the man talk.

My own solution, lets allocate more money for free education over there. Not that they wouldnt prefer the quranic ones that their imam decides to twist for their purpose but what else can we do to stop the madness?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Not wishing to be sidetracked by waffling murmurings from the Mississip

My last comment was a couple a day or two ago.
I still say it should be made clear to the North that there will be a separation of church and state.

As there isn't any Church and State any more in Nigeria than say in the USA, it is a pointless observation at any time. Why you keep using it is odd

Originally posted by rjhowie:

As there isn't any Church and State any more in Nigeria than say in the USA, it is a pointless observation at any time.

Oh contrare, we are fundamentally different in that we do not have a large group of people wanting to impose Sharia Law on the US, rather we have a bunch of literalists blabbing about christian values and the ilk. They have no power of course, save in propping Israel up.
The major difference being is that such a country as Nigeria could, if they aren't careful, wind up the way of Iran.
I would hate to see this, as every Nigerian I have met both online and in real life have been quite excellent people.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Why you keep using it is odd

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sharia+Law
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2010/05/20/nigeria-a-debate-on-pedophilia-sharia-law-and-the-two-nigerias/

Originally posted by jivelissie:

My own solution, lets allocate more money for free education over there

Before dishing out such fund,you have to ask their leaders(those intellectual lilliputians)what they did with the loots from the niger-delter region.If no one will agitate for leaving the southern muslims to their own ordeal,then i think it is time i speak up.They just have to accept the inevitable

So every Nigerian you have ever met on line and off have been excellent? Just confirms my suspicion elsewhere about being patronising and supercilious coming away with that. Indeed at that rate Nigeria wouldn't be a basketcase and split in two with so much violence. Don't think a discerning Nigerain would be fooled by such hypocrisy. But let's not use the same parallel with Americans eh? I dare say keloda will be over the moon him being so sycophantic about you and others but that example only increases the fault line you ignore!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

So every Nigerian you have ever met on line and off have been excellent?

Can you read?
Did you see what I posted?
I know Scotland is a welfare state and expects everything to be given to them via the SNP or Labour, but I am not going to spoon feed ya.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Just confirms my suspicion elsewhere about being patronising and supercilious coming away with that. Indeed at that rate Nigeria wouldn't be a basketcase and split in two with so much violence. Don't think a discerning Nigerain would be fooled by such hypocrisy. But let's not use the same parallel with Americans eh? I dare say keloda will be over the moon him being so sycophantic about you and others but that example only increases the fault line you ignore!

*Big Yawn*
All of this is your usual
I look forward to the day when your IMS (that's the opposite of PMS, in case that went over your head) goes away.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

So every Nigerian you have ever met on line and off have been excellent? Just confirms my suspicion elsewhere about being patronising and supercilious coming away with that. Indeed at that rate Nigeria wouldn't be a basketcase and split in two with so much violence. Don't think a discerning Nigerain would be fooled by such hypocrisy. But let's not use the same parallel with Americans eh? I dare say keloda will be over the moon him being so sycophantic about you and others but that example only increases the fault line you ignore!

Your posts,makes little meaning.It had been always like that(always fond of using old-fashioned English).Quit debating on D&D please

And how is this for someone with a wee bit of education, discovering a pc the net coming on here relatively new for condemning me?! The person in another thread who asked what age you were did so for a reason. They thought your contributions were obviously childish or plain daft. With some 7748 posts here wee boy do feel to depart D&D or alternatively hang on until you finish school. When you have been here for a while throw your weight about but meantime don't get carried away because a couple of Crazy Gang people here encourage you. Sonny you are being used! And just look at the other kindergarten departee from the bottom bit of Yankee land contributes. You two are well matched.

By all means defend your country but by jingo you have an uphill struggle. It is not caused by anyone else but internally. Shame it could be something.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

With some 7748 posts here

why keep mentioning your number of posts.Perhaps,that is the root of the mickey-mouse posts we see here.You are just an adamant bolshie to members of D&D

No, I am an individual and not like you and the others all playing a game that only they should be in. And anyway I hate Commies. Have been fighting Bolsheviks for years.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

And just look at the other kindergarten departee from the bottom bit of Yankee land contributes.

Not to mention the numerous rebuttals, well-thought-out retorts, etc from the man from the Stone, Scot city of the Glasgow!
(The crime capital of Europe, I might add!)

Originally posted by keloda:

Rather the notherner s are the selfish citizens.I was born and bred inthe north.I only moved to the east early this year.All this while,i had believed in one Nigeria.But now iam a different person.You talk about one Nigeria when the the easterners had been banned from the corridor of power.The ruling party had taken a vow of recycling power between the north and the west(are the southerners and easterners not part of the ruling famil?).The northerners are afraid of seperation because they will lose te following from the breakking-away parts
1.A meal ticket
2.The path way to civilization
3.Recognition from the international scene.
Gadaffi spoke out of a 40 years experience in power(besides,experience is the best teacher).What the norhteners displaye during the transition period before the late president's shows their complete inability to live among people.To hell with them

What is the contribution of your geo-political towards Nigeria´s development?
All we can remember from east is civil war!
We don´t want that experience anymore!!

Well if the two halves are not going to get on and have been tussling for so long would they maybe better divorcing?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Well if the two halves are not going to get on and have been tussling for so long would they maybe better divorcing?

What you mean?

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Well if the two halves are not going to get on and have been tussling for so long would they maybe better divorcing?

What you mean?

Read the whole sentence, slowly if you must - he actually has a point.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Well if the two halves are not going to get on and have been tussling for so long would they maybe better divorcing?

What you mean?

Read the whole sentence, slowly if you must - he actually has a point.

Don't make me laugh!!!

Nigeria will remain indivisible!!!

If you cannot understand a simple query as I detailed it DANDUZU then we will not get very far with you at all. In fact you are the laugh. You say that Nigeria will remain indivisible. How the deuce can you come up with that one? Such a claim is a paper one because in practice it is not happening and little sign it will. The country is stuck together with political cellotape.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

If you cannot understand a simple query as I detailed it DANDUZU then we will not get very far with you at all. In fact you are the laugh. You say that Nigeria will remain indivisible. How the deuce can you come up with that one? Such a claim is a paper one because in practice it is not happening and little sign it will. The country is stuck together with political cellotape.

Don't make me laugh!!!

Maybe Britain should get rid of its troublesome north as well? It is a gross oversimplification to say that Nigeria consists of two parts.

Originally posted by jax:

Maybe Britain should get rid of its troublesome north as well? It is a gross oversimplification to say that Nigeria consists of two parts.

I don't think the Scots would mind.

Oh you can laugh all you like DANBUZU. That is a childish way of missing the simplified obvious. And jax how you can compound that by saying Nigeria too that Nigeria isn't split is beyond me. For ages the north and south have not just been at loggerheads but running violence and mayhem between the two parts which are as obvious as a nose and face. It is not that long since the last battle and bodies left strewn all over the place. You have in fact yourself practiced the art of oversimplification yourself.

And the attempt to dilute the Nigerian obvious re Scotland is I will say, funny. Frenzie you are so wrong there. The majority of Scots vote against the SNP and they have no chance of success. You have a better chance of the internal divisions inside Belgium to see a fall apart than here.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

And the attempt to dilute the Nigerian obvious re Scotland is I will say, funny. Frenzie you are so wrong there. The majority of Scots vote against the SNP and they have no chance of success. You have a better chance of the internal divisions inside Belgium to see a fall apart than here.

Doesn't the majority of Scots voting SNP confirm what I said?

No, you are not being clear enough there Frenzie. You simply didn't say anything of the sort. Your only reference was a vague word that Scots wouldn't mind you did not mention the SNP at all. This infers the majority of Scots want independence. Somehow you have translated your vague comment into something else. So that last comment is wrong. However if we took the point that if a majority voted SNP then independence would come that is a different thing all together. And anyway as I said, it isn't going to happen as nearly three quarters of voters support the 3 Unionist Parties and there is me.

poor rj! Always the expert when it comes to Africa! Hmmm! *sigh*

Originally posted by rjhowie:

No, you are not being clear enough there Frenzie. You simply didn't say anything of the sort. Your only reference was a vague word that Scots wouldn't mind you did not mention the SNP at all. This infers the majority of Scots want independence. Somehow you have translated your vague comment into something else. So that last comment is wrong. However if we took the point that if a majority voted SNP then independence would come that is a different thing all together. And anyway as I said, it isn't going to happen as nearly three quarters of voters support the 3 Unionist Parties and there is me.

Well, there is a slight difference between not minding independence and wanting independence. I'm a republican of sorts, meaning that I'm theoretically more in favor of a republic than of our constitutional monarchy, but my practical position is mostly one of indifference.

Perhaps a more relevant example is my position on the Greater Netherlands or an independent Flanders. The first means the reunification between the Netherlands and Flanders as a political union (like a confederation, a federation or even a unitary state). I'm not in favor of Belgium splitting up, but I'm certainly not opposed to it either. In summary, I wouldn't mind.

In the end it was nothing but a jolly remark.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Perhaps a more relevant example is my position on the Greater Netherlands or an independent Flanders. The first means the reunification between the Netherlands and Flanders as a political union (like a confederation, a federation or even a unitary state). I'm not in favor of Belgium splitting up, but I'm certainly not opposed to it either. In summary, I wouldn't mind.

In the end it was nothing but a jolly remark.

I seriously considered voting for the Bayernpartei a few times - only because with an independent Bavaria we would get rid of quite a few <censored> SoBs and without that black hole in the south the CDU would either drop to permanent 2nd or 3rd place or maybe gain some sanity.
So, I wouldn't mind an independent Bavaria either

Regarding Belgium, the animosity of Dutch speakers vs. French speakers is mostly self-inflicted, and also somewhat fueled by nationalist elements. Speakers of French get French services from the municipalities in Flanders (especially near the more or less artificially defined border), to quite an extent education in French and all kinds of other things. In Wallonia, on the other hand, speakers of Dutch essentially get a middle finger if they ask for anything like that. Also, in places like Brussels the French (yes, French, not Wallonian) government actively funds all kinds of pro-French things even though it's none of their damned business. Dutch (speaking) history is full of fighting off invasion after invasion of imperialistic French armies, so the Flemish certainly won't let them succeed by means of this newer, more devious strategy. If they continue with their shenanigans, I think a split is unavoidable in the long run.

There was a petition a couple of years ago for the preservation of Belgian unity. There were 125,000 signatures or so, 80+% of which were Wallonian. That kind of illustrates the whole situation.

No problem Frenzie was just putting the picture clearer. Pity about Belgium but didn't the place have no government at one stage for months?!

Not exactly in the sense these things go in the UK. While this Wikipedia article about a demissionary cabinet describes the situation in the Netherlands, Belgium has similar provisions.

The way Nigeria is splitting it wouldn't be any great loss or would the world notice?

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Libyan leader, Col. Muammar Ghaddafi, has an interesting antidote to the frequent religious riots in Nigeria: break the country into two

It would help if he stopped sending truckloads of small arms to his brethren in Northern Nigeria. If he wants a truce and a division it must mean that the fomenting of violence is no longer working for his side.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The way Nigeria is splitting it wouldn't be any great loss or would the world notice?

Nigeria is incredibly fertile, and plays host to some excellent mineral deposits. A failing Nigerian government is to everyone's detriment.

At this point I am more than willing to consider the destruction of the Nigerian state as a viable option.

That would more than likely mean the destruction of a good part of the people in the country as well. When it comes to splitting countries Yugoslavia is a much more likely scenario than Czechoslovakia. It depends on the context. If Scotland split from the rest of the UK nobody would care. If Belgium was split in two or three nobody would care. If Sudan split into a north and south, some people would care, but it is close to happening anyway (kind of an African Kosovo). If Nigeria were to split a lot of people would care, and managing this without loss of life and property, and having the successor states in a better position than they were before would be very difficult.

Biafra happened at a different time, under different circumstances, but I don't think Nigeria is in a state where saying "You go your way, I go mine" is a viable option. In fact merely considering it can destabilise the country. Look at Moldova for a European example.

Originally posted by jax:

If Scotland split from the rest of the UK nobody would care.

Not true.

Well, some would think it sad, and some would think it kind of cool. But that would be the extent of it. You wouldn't expect streams of Scottish and English refugees crossing the border. Whatever happens to Belgium Brussels would still claim to be the capital of Europe, becoming more like the Washington D.C of Europe in the process. Free Catalunya wouldn't hurt anyone. Any border change within the EU would more be of symbolic than practical nature. Of course it would have other consequences. The Labour party would be pretty much done for in England for instance. But in Asia or Africa this would, as a rule, not be fun and games.

Originally posted by jax:

Whatever happens to Belgium Brussels would still claim to be the capital of Europe, becoming more like the Washington D.C of Europe in the process.

I'm not sure that's the best distinction for Brussels....

Originally posted by string:

Originally posted by jax:

If Scotland split from the rest of the UK nobody would care.

Not true.

You mean some people would celebrate?

It isn't going to happen but makes a pleasant off thread bit of fun and good for some titillation!

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Many Nigerians, especially Southerners, are backing the proposal. The "Hausa people" are the problem of Nigeria, they argue, and Nigeria would be better off without them.

Presently the North is kept somewhat in check by the National government. Should the Country be divided. The Northern Militancy would be consolidated with out the control of the central government. After the division the north will make claims of southern areas, Qaddafi will send tanks, planes, small arms and war will follow. This is historically the Islamic way of expansion.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Wall of text (no punctuation, capitalization, paragraphs or otherwise... unusual) is an issue. Length is not.

Originally posted by NoobSaibot:

some pictures would be nice as well ... if not on topic boobs would be nice and keep the audience entertained

...as if to prove Frenzie's point...
.........................................

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Have been fighting Bolsheviks for years.

he said, holstering his tin gun.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

No, I am an individual and not like you and the others all playing a game that only they should be in. And anyway I hate Commies. Have been fighting Bolsheviks for years.

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Originally posted by keloda:

Rather the notherner s are the selfish citizens.I was born and bred inthe north.I only moved to the east early this year.All this while,i had believed in one Nigeria.But now iam a different person.You talk about one Nigeria when the the easterners had been banned from the corridor of power.The ruling party had taken a vow of recycling power between the north and the west(are the southerners and easterners not part of the ruling famil?).The northerners are afraid of seperation because they will lose te following from the breakking-away parts
1.A meal ticket
2.The path way to civilization
3.Recognition from the international scene.
Gadaffi spoke out of a 40 years experience in power(besides,experience is the best teacher).What the norhteners displaye during the transition period before the late president's shows their complete inability to live among people.To hell with them

What is the contribution of your geo-political towards Nigeria´s development?
All we can remember from east is civil war!
We don´t want that experience anymore!!

wow. This coming from you? All you can remember from the east is civil war? Ok how about oil palm, crude oil, sea ports etc. Now remember that the amalgamation of the north and southern protectorate in 1914 to form nigeria was purely for economic reasons. The wealth of the economic vibrant south was used to cushion the colonial administrative cost of running the relatively poor north as at then. See F.K Buah(1985) his book 'history of west Africa 1800-1960.' For a clearer perspective. And please don't say southerners agreed with gadaffi's views. Both you and keola should be ashamed of your myopic views. nigeria is standing today not because the north or south can't go it alone but because we the people of nigeria have integrated into having a national identity. we want it and cherish our unity.

Originally posted by Museatlantis:

I don't think Africa being devided would work rather sadly that would likely cause more conflict

Yes I also question the ‘fact’ that it worked in india it didn't really pakistan and india probably had more conflicts than they would otherwise have had internally. While these things get romance their either ridiculous or are tried in such careless ways that it becomes itself clear that it was a bad idea.

Until the country is divided into North and South, Nigeria will never make progress. It is the North that is “dragging us back”. After all, it is the South that is sustaining the North through oil. The argument goes on and on.

‹(·—·)› As a hypothetical person in charge of remaping africa why should I because of the stated reasons, make, redraw Nigeria in a way that I would consider ideal for creating conflict?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Not wishing to be sidetracked by waffling murmurings from the Mississip

My last comment was a couple a day or two ago.
I still say it should be made clear to the North that there will be a separation of church and state.

mosque from state. That's where the problem is.

There is where <i>a</i> problem is, and a big one at that, but not the only one. Sudan is headed for a North-South split which has some similarities with what the dear Libyan leader is claimed to support, and there will be more reorganised borders in both Africa and Asia ahead. Was the Eritrean split an improvement? Will the Sudanese split be one? They are hardly poster cases of good government any of these.

Originally posted by jax:

There is where a problem is, and a big one at that, but not the only one. Sudan is headed for a North-South split which has some similarities with what the dear Libyan leader is claimed to support, and there will be more reorganised borders in both Africa and Asia ahead. Was the Eritrean split an improvement? Will the Sudanese split be one? They are hardly poster cases of good government any of these.

You can't compare Nigeria with these countries because there is no well defined rebels in Nigeria.

No well defined rebels as in organised group names? That could make it worse couldn't it?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

No well defined rebels as in organised group names? That could make it worse couldn't it?

But even if they try to emerge they will never suvive. Our army are the 6th best in the world -- better than your country's.

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Originally posted by jax:

There is where a problem is, and a big one at that, but not the only one. Sudan is headed for a North-South split which has some similarities with what the dear Libyan leader is claimed to support, and there will be more reorganised borders in both Africa and Asia ahead. Was the Eritrean split an improvement? Will the Sudanese split be one? They are hardly poster cases of good government any of these.

You can't compare Nigeria with these countries because there is no well defined rebels in Nigeria.

I've not heard of any clearly defined or not defined

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Originally posted by jax:

There is where a problem is, and a big one at that, but not the only one. Sudan is headed for a North-South split which has some similarities with what the dear Libyan leader is claimed to support, and there will be more reorganised borders in both Africa and Asia ahead. Was the Eritrean split an improvement? Will the Sudanese split be one? They are hardly poster cases of good government any of these.

You can't compare Nigeria with these countries because there is no well defined rebels in Nigeria.

I've not heard of any clearly defined or not defined

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

No well defined rebels as in organised group names? That could make it worse couldn't it?

But even if they try to emerge they will never suvive. Our army are the 6th best in the world -- better than your country's.

don't make me laugh how well did they fare against the militants back then? where do you get your stats from. Have you considered what a civil war would cost? Or have you notice that victory in war isn't about attrition anymore. You can kill more and yet lose a war. Eg the US has a the best army but look at financial and human cost they incurred in the war in Iraq and afghanistan? It's a lose-lose situation.

Or better yet look at the vietnam war. It isn't abut how good your amy is but the strategies you employ. Sun tzu wrote about this centuries ago

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

You can't compare Nigeria with these countries because there is no well defined rebels in Nigeria.

There were no well-defined in Slovakia or the Czech Republic either, nor in Scotland or Belgium, but the first two split and the second two might still do so. I am not comparing the country of Nigeria with the countries of Ethiopia/Eritrea or Sudan, but the process of separation.

There seem to be many divisions in Nigeria, and there will be many in two North-South divided successor states as well.

@johnogaziechi, the militants and their suvival in Niger Delta is but politics. Why wound't they emerge during Abacha's regime?

@Jax, you are not the first to say this, and you are not going to be the last. But what was very difficult to state was 'when?'.

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

@johnogaziechi, the militants and their suvival in Niger Delta is but politics. Why wound't they emerge during Abacha's regime?

you mean the Nigerian army is stronger under a military dictatorship- where its easy to commit genocide without bating an eyelid- than in a democracy? Let me get it right you're saying the army is weak when it commits less internal atrocities. right?

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

@johnogaziechi, the militants and their suvival in Niger Delta is but politics. Why wound't they emerge during Abacha's regime?

you mean the Nigerian army is stronger under a military dictatorship- where its easy to commit genocide without bating an eyelid- than in a democracy? Let me get it right you're saying the army is weak when it commits less internal atrocities. right?

When it comes to ECOMONG, AU and UN assigment most especially in Africa, NA must be taken into consideration.
And civilian regime is very lose unlike the military regime.

In other words a military dictatorship regime is better for Nigeria than a civilian democracy? do you know how many men of the Nigerian army died in the war in liberia and serria-lone (at least my secondary school was a military school in a barracks, so I was opportuned to see the dead bodies come in in trucks) now compare it to the figures of those that where lost during the civilian regime: peace keeping in liberia and sudan.

Military regime is better as far as Naija is concern. The death of most civilians and service men was least. And one very important point to note is that alot of soldiers died during Abdussalam's regime, and also alot country's treasure was stolen in a very short period -- A very corrupt regime but honored in the face of western world because of the so-called handing over power to civilians

What can I say?

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

What can I say?

Alpha to omeg is okay!

Looks like Col. Muammar Ghaddafi has enough on his mind now, that he is no longer interested in causing problems elsewhere. Libyans are now musing of hanging him up by his feet.

He calls unity and disunity in Africa and Nigeria respectively; wha is he going to call for Libya now?

Ghaddafi always had a want about him with some daft speeches over the years. He led a coup against the Monarchy all those years ago while the aging King Idris was out the country for medical treatment promising a bright future. Instead Libyans got a worse deal. The man has obviously got mental problems and doesn't say much for Libya that a man like that could be allowed to cause a revolution never mind be an army officer. He was a captain at the time so wonder who promoted him up 2 ranks? Doesn't say much that a nut job takes over a country. Libya as an actual sovereign State is relatively modern following colonial times so was only slowly moving into a better situation and along came this nut feted by others as a great man. Doesn't say much for them either. He's cracked and even worse now. It sems to be a family thread of being daft when you see how his oldest son (hoped for heir) with agood education talks stupid on tv too. Kind of ironic that revolutions aganist Monarchial hereditary rule is oft replaced by republican hereditary rule. All about power really.

Ghaddafi has plenty in Libya keeping him busy. Nigeria is the last thing on his mind.

I'm afraid Libya may tear into pieces

Originally posted by grysmn:

Ghaddafi has plenty in Libya keeping him busy. Nigeria is the last thing on his mind.

I absolutely agree

Gadaffi was wise re Nigeria the country is split enough! Anyway I wouldn't dump the mad colonel even on Nigeria even if he could decide which half of the country to support!

Ha, ha.

Originally posted by keloda:

Rather the notherner s are the selfish citizens.I was born and bred inthe north.I only moved to the east early this year.All this while,i had believed in one Nigeria.But now iam a different person.You talk about one Nigeria when the the easterners had been banned from the corridor of power.The ruling party had taken a vow of recycling power between the north and the west(are the southerners and easterners not part of the ruling famil?).The northerners are afraid of seperation because they will lose te following from the breakking-away parts
1.A meal ticket
2.The path way to civilization
3.Recognition from the international scene.
Gadaffi spoke out of a 40 years experience in power(besides,experience is the best teacher).What the norhteners displaye during the transition period before the late president's shows their complete inability to live among people.To hell with them

These are bunch of rubbish making no sence!