Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

The Koran and the Arab Bible refer to God the creator as Allah. So, in a generic sense, it is fitting to speak of God/Allah as the One supreme being. But as we explore the prominent character traits that distinguish the One true God from other so-called gods.

So, the question is that: Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

Hrmmm. That depends. The God of the Old Testament, the guy that killed everybody except one drunk's family is a bit like Allah.

Do Protestants worship the same god as Catholics? Do Sunnis worship the same god as Shiites? Do I worship the same god by not worshiping god?

He've got to climb a miraculous beast,tour the ruins of the ancient jerusalem,find the path to heaven in the company of jibril.When he've asked the big fella in heaven,then he can interview the big liars(Abraham,Jesus and Mohammed).I think he is going to get some inches closer to the truth.Coz all those fib-kings from the middle east have got a truth to tell the world

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

The Koran and the Arab Bible refer to God the creator as Allah

Arab bible?or qur'an?which one? What the H are you talking about?what,what,whaaaaaaaat,for peter's sake?

I think you have a point there. Early Muslims were very close to Christians. In Mohammed's days Muslims had association with Christians. Check this out they share same angels but with almost different names example: Gabriel and Jibril same angel.

Now, I disagree with the 7 virgins thing. I worship God for all the things He has given me and knowing deep in my heart that I praise Him because He has to be praise. If not me, then who will worship Him?

Whether Christians and Muslim pray to the same God, it doesn't matter. According to Jesus, God is love and I believe if you have love in your heart there is no obstacle between you and God. Whether you are Christian, Muslim or atheist; as long as you have brotherly love for other people then God will bless you.

Whatever measure ye mete for others, it will be measured against you- My teacher. Without love you are nothing!

I thought that Muslims didn't like dogs.

You forgot Judaism, It's the oldest of the three.
All three of them offer the same sh.. erm, stuff, with little bit different toppings.

maybe they DID worship the (same) One True God. Looo-ng time ago. I dunno, there's so many misunderstanding in the teaching i guess, really hard to say that they still are now, based on the (way) too many conflict in the name of religion.

Mohammed,that sexual athlete!He went as far as marrying a christian(one of those >12 wives he shags).I keep wondering whether that woman is a kind of related to christ(and why there wasn't war in heaven when mohammed paid a courtesy visit through the highway in the ruins of ancient jerusalem,christ,being a jealous man)

yes we do worship same GOD ......but each and every religion has has given this man from above.... the name of their choice...eg ALLAH as in muslims, GOD as in christians,...etc.

Originally posted by Leevi:

All three of them offer the same sh.. erm, stuff

That was close. You almost said 'shiftiness', didn't you?

If I have to choose, I'll worship the one that does the least smiting.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Do Protestants worship the same god as Catholics? Do Sunnis worship the same god as Shiites? Do I worship the same god by not worshiping god?

Well, since according to some of our christian D&D fellows, non-worship is just another form of worship everyone obviously worships every deity imaginable and unimaginable.

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

Yep.

I'm sure that grysmn can be arsed to disagree with a couple o' 5 paragraphs about how old Yahweh isn't the same as Allah, but I digress...

No you don't digress. You and Clegg could get together as experts as experts repeating the same things.
Yours sincerely,
An anonymous Protestant from Glasgow.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You and Clegg could get together as experts as experts repeating the same things.

Yours sincerely,

An anonymous Protestant from Glasgow.

Pot, meet kettle.

I think is the same God,
the argument is about Christians refering to Jesus Christ as God and only Son.
Jesus Christ said Our Father,and also said i'm not here to be Worshiped/Praised (ukukhonzwa) but i'm here to Worship/ Praise(ukukhonza) ,also said I'm here to add not to cancel Lords Commandments.
God said in Exodus20 I'm only God.

I know this would probably endup a stupid argument, with people insulting, trying to "prove", blah blah blah...

They actually don't, when I compare many aspects of what they believe is "God", the thing is that it doesn't line up very well.

Originally posted by RekaG:

I know this would probably endup a stupid argument, with people insulting, trying to "prove", blah blah blah

That's what D&D is really all about:everyone proving blah blah blah!You can't get everyone to flow with you

I tink is topic is interesting.tnx 4 d topic.4rm my own view,i tink some of the teachings differs like d teaching abt Jesus Christ,muslims believe Allah is d messager while we believe Jesus Christ & God is 1.then 4giveness of sins 2 is different 2,mode of praying 2,so many things differs but i knw d both believe everything abt GOD.

Originally posted by keloda:

Originally posted by RekaG:

I know this would probably endup a stupid argument, with people insulting, trying to "prove", blah blah blah

That's what D&D is really all about:everyone proving blah blah blah!You can't get everyone to flow with you

I know and I don't expect it, but the others do and it gets annoying after a while, atleast after a while I re-learn a life lesson that I should of remembered in the first place.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

Yep.

I'm sure that grysmn can be arsed to disagree with a couple o' 5 paragraphs about how old Yahweh isn't the same as Allah, but I digress...

It's very easy. Both christians and muslims claim to come from the abrahamic tradition, to worship the god of Abraham, Isaac etc. - in a way both are jewish heresies which just for some reason attracted more followers than jehova's witnesses, the mormons and all the others that make the same claim.

In a theoretical sense they worship the same god, but the rules are so different so one would have to say that if, in unlikely fact, they were the same god then that god is terminally contused, sending out different messages to each "branch" of his/her/its adoring public, even to then extent that they have been happily killing each other oven the last couple or three thousand years since he/she/it was invented.

Any defence of a "single god" from one or other of the religions?

Originally posted by string:

In a theoretical sense they worship the same god, but the rules are so different so one would have to say that if, in unlikely fact, they were the same god then that god is terminally contused, sending out different messages to each "branch" of his/her/its adoring public, even to then extent that they have been happily killing each other oven the last couple or three thousand years since he/she/it was invented.

Any defence of a "single god" from one or other of the religions?

Is there on God ?.......yes

Is he confused ?.........No

The question should not be about God.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

Yep.

I'm sure that grysmn can be arsed to disagree with a couple o' 5 paragraphs about how old Yahweh isn't the same as Allah, but I digress...

i think someone has the wrong tree concidering the word Christian was never mentioned in the bible (original one )the catholics have hidden in a vault that would upset the whole world to hell ,in fact its happening now
...

And i think i answered the wrong panel

Allah is the same God as Yarweh and Jehovah..Allah is the Arabic word for God. The Quran's tenets is that Islam is the perfection of the religion of Yarweh/Jehovah

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

i think someone has the wrong tree concidering the word Christian was never mentioned in the bible

1Peter4:16

16 But, if as a Christian, let him not be ashamed: but let him glorify God in that name.

Originally posted by RekaG:

trying to "prove", blah blah blah...

Yep, those pesky facts can get in the way.

Originally posted by Denny77:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

i think someone has the wrong tree concidering the word Christian was never mentioned in the bible

1Peter4:16

16 But, if as a Christian, let him not be ashamed: but let him glorify God in that name.

false bible .

Has anyone pointed out yet that Christians and Christians don't worship the same god? Or that even Glaswegian Presbyterians and Glaswegian Presbyterians don't all follow the same god?

Originally posted by garydenness:

Has anyone pointed out yet that Christians and Christians don't worship the same god? Or that even Glaswegian Presbyterians and Glaswegian Presbyterians don't all follow the same god?

If anyone claimed that it would result in some sort of pillow fight along the lines of my holy book is bigger than your holy book

Each to his own fantasy.

Still, it's clear that either the god is the same or that the god is different or that the god does not exist anyway.

Originally posted by string:

Originally posted by garydenness:

Has anyone pointed out yet that Christians and Christians don't worship the same god? Or that even Glaswegian Presbyterians and Glaswegian Presbyterians don't all follow the same god?

If anyone claimed that it would result in some sort of pillow fight along the lines of my holy book is bigger than your holy book

Each to his own fantasy.

Still, it's clear that either the god is the same or that the god is different or that the god does not exist anyway.

My guess is the argument would be "we have edited out all the things we disagreed with God about"

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Hrmmm. That depends. The God of the Old Testament, the guy that killed everybody except one drunk's family is a bit like Allah.

You mean the incidence of Genesis verses 30 to 38?

The story describes how Lot's two daughters got their father drunk on wine, engaged in sexual intercourse with him on two successive nights, became pregnant, and eventually gave birth to two sons Moab and Benammi. Their sons are described as founding the Moabite and Ammonite nations.

Do you accept as error free narration?

Anyway, here is the Moslems' view:

Muslims consider Lot a prophet. The story of Lot impregnating his daughters while drunk is not mentioned in the Qur'an and not believed by Muslims. The Qur'an does say that the people of Lot insisted on their wickedness of homosexuality, murder and robbery while also refusing to stay lawful to their wives.

And his people came to him, rushed on towards him, and already they did evil deeds. He said: O my people! these are my daughters-- they are purer for you, so guard against God and do not disgrace me with regard to my guests; is there not among you one right-minded man?

They said: Certainly you know that we have no claim on your daughters, and most surely you know what we desire.

He said: Ah! that I had power to suppress you, rather I shall have recourse to a strong support.

They said: O Lut! we are the messengers of your Lord; they shall by no means reach you; so remove your followers in a part of the night-- and let none of you turn back-- except your wife, for surely whatsoever befalls them shall befall her; surely their appointed time is the morning; is not the morning nigh?

So when Our decree came to pass, We turned them upside down and rained down upon them stones, of what had been decreed, one after another.

And Lut when he said to his people: What! do you commit an indecency which any one in the world has not done before you?

Most surely you come to males in lust besides females; nay you are an extravagant people.

And the answer of his people was no other than that they said: Turn them out of your town, surely they are a people who seek to purify.

So We delivered him and his followers, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind.

And We rained upon them a rain; consider then what was the end of the guilty.

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Hrmmm. That depends. The God of the Old Testament, the guy that killed everybody except one drunk's family is a bit like Allah.

You mean the incidence of Genesis verses 30 to 38?

The story describes how Lot's two daughters got their father drunk on wine, engaged in sexual intercourse with him on two successive nights, became pregnant, and eventually gave birth to two sons Moab and Benammi. Their sons are described as founding the Moabite and Ammonite nations.

Do you accept as error free narration?

Anyway, here is the Moslems' view:

Muslims consider Lot a prophet. The story of Lot impregnating his daughters while drunk is not mentioned in the Qur'an and not believed by Muslims. The Qur'an does say that the people of Lot insisted on their wickedness of homosexuality, murder and robbery while also refusing to stay lawful to their wives.

And his people came to him, rushed on towards him, and already they did evil deeds. He said: O my people! these are my daughters-- they are purer for you, so guard against God and do not disgrace me with regard to my guests; is there not among you one right-minded man?

They said: Certainly you know that we have no claim on your daughters, and most surely you know what we desire.

He said: Ah! that I had power to suppress you, rather I shall have recourse to a strong support.

They said: O Lut! we are the messengers of your Lord; they shall by no means reach you; so remove your followers in a part of the night-- and let none of you turn back-- except your wife, for surely whatsoever befalls them shall befall her; surely their appointed time is the morning; is not the morning nigh?

So when Our decree came to pass, We turned them upside down and rained down upon them stones, of what had been decreed, one after another.

And Lut when he said to his people: What! do you commit an indecency which any one in the world has not done before you?

Most surely you come to males in lust besides females; nay you are an extravagant people.

And the answer of his people was no other than that they said: Turn them out of your town, surely they are a people who seek to purify.

So We delivered him and his followers, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind.

And We rained upon them a rain; consider then what was the end of the guilty.

Actually no its not said they do not believe its mentioned with in the other testaments to which each and every muslim on earth should believe apart from the Ending of their Jesus (isa) so the last book to be given is the Quran to what is the other needs not to be in the last book given the ultimate and final conclude of time in beginning .

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

Yes,Satan. Thats why they kill each other, he is very clever.

Originally posted by leftwing:

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

Yes,Satan. Thats why they kill each other, he is very clever.

And they say i am not in Greenland

I have given this much thought.
In mathematics, if you reach a point where your equation has reduced itself to 0=0, you have done something nonsensical and certainly demonstrated nothing.
Asking if Christians and Muslims worship the same god is a little bit similar.

According to Christians Jesus is not the same as the muslim Jesus (ISA) some Christians say he is God the difference there is Muslims say no to this ,so i am a little now think slightly differ ,so what Christians we talk of .

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

so what Christians we talk of .

Commonly called oneness....Pentecostal and some non denominational baptists etc. .A old heresy, although most will go to great effort to disclaim the association. Thats is what is so humorous to me, many Christians are anti- Catholic but believe in Trinity, a Catholic Tradition. They also make loud claims that they are only Bible believers. By word the Trinity is not in Bible.

Who does the Christians worship? God
Who does the Muslims worship? God
So why are the Muslims and the Christians at war?
@Denny I never heard of non-denominational baptists?? Googling them up now...

Originally posted by TogaOga:

Denny I never heard of non-denominational baptists?? Googling them up now..

They are all over now sweetpea, North and South.. Many are mega churches also.At least in my area. Many more I imagine. Some 19000 denominations in USA now.

no i meant that i never heard of a church called the non-denominational baptist. unless i misunderstood? i dont get out much

Originally posted by Denny77:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

so what Christians we talk of .

Commonly called oneness....Pentecostal and some non denominational baptists etc. .A old heresy, although most will go to great effort to disclaim the association. Thats is what is so humorous to me, many Christians are anti- Catholic but believe in Trinity, a Catholic Tradition. They also make loud claims that they are only Bible believers. By word the Trinity is not in Bible.

Never said the trinity is the bible we all know that is utter codswallop

Originally posted by TogaOga:

no i meant that i never heard of a church called the non-denominational baptist. unless i misunderstood? i dont get out much

you do not need to get out if you on internet it does it all for you sweet pea i like that sounds really utterly beany

Originally posted by TogaOga:

no i meant that i never heard of a church called the non-denominational baptist. unless i misunderstood? i dont get out much

That's exactly the idea. Think independent church not following any of the established baptist denominations ( and usually differing only in superficial detail anyway )

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Trinity......we all know that is utter codswallop

Amen ( ) to that, bro/sister!

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Trinity......we all know that is utter codswallop

Amen ( ) to that, bro/sister!

he/she takes a bow

Amen or Allah???

Originally posted by darkvoid:

Amen or Allah???

I think you mean Amun or Allah

Or is it Hammen?

Originally posted by TogaOga:

Who does the Christians worship? God

Who does the Muslims worship? God

So why are the Muslims and the Christians at war?

@Denny I never heard of non-denominational baptists?? Googling them up now...

Religions don't worship anything but the power of their respective clubs. They fight for power over peoples.
This, I believe is why so many religions have become Factionalised cults.

I believe in one god but alas I believe in no religion..

that makes sense maxx

They all worship the same god and it doesn't exist.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

No you don't digress. You and Clegg could get together as experts as experts repeating the same things.
Yours sincerely,
An anonymous Protestant from Glasgow.

The Koran and the Arab Bible refer to God the creator as Allah. So, in a generic sense, it is fitting to speak of God/Allah as the One supreme being. But as we explore the prominent character traits that distinguish the One true God from other so-called gods.

What a stupid post. It's so complicated that its not even worth a mention. Are you a retard or something?

Read your post back. These forums are getting worse. Its like kindergarden or something. What's shocking is that a lot of the posts aren't even in jest. I mean, this is a serious question. Moron.

The Quran states that Muslims, Jews and Christians worship the same God (Sura 29:46).
The pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

The Koran and the Arab Bible refer to God the creator as Allah. So, in a generic sense, it is fitting to speak of God/Allah as the One supreme being. But as we explore the prominent character traits that distinguish the One true God from other so-called gods.

What a stupid post. It's so complicated that its not even worth a mention. Are you a retard or something?

Read your post back. These forums are getting worse. Its like kindergarden or something. What's shocking is that a lot of the posts aren't even in jest. I mean, this is a serious question. Moron.

Allahu Akbar whats wrong with his Answer he said its the same names or do u not understand Islam or Christianity .

Allahu Akbar whats wrong with his Answer he said its the same names or do u not understand Islam or Christianity .

This is getting beyond laughable.

i DoNt eVEN UnDesratande your Hack

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

What a stupid post. It's so complicated that its not even worth a mention. Are you a retard or something?

Read your post back. These forums are getting worse. Its like kindergarden or something. What's shocking is that a lot of the posts aren't even in jest. I mean, this is a serious question.

Danbuzu just likes to makes controversial thread to get people worked up... hummm, now where have I seen that before?

Anyway, it's way too complete sentence structure for him...Here's where he got it from
Copy and paste job... humm, now where have I seen that one? maybe you can help Juggalo1...

People on the forum trying to goad or stir up? Surely not?

LMAO!

funny stuff!

No they do not worship the same God.
God of Muslim tells them not to eat pork, and so many things. Even killing a christian will make their God happy.

Originally posted by lestr:

No they do not worship the same God.
God of Muslim tells them not to eat pork, and so many things. Even killing a christian will make their God happy.

Ahh, ignorance is indeed a great bliss:

Originally posted by Leviticus:11:

1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.

4 " 'There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The coney, [a] though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

9 " 'Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. 10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to detest. 11 And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. 12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you.

13 " 'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

20 " 'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. 21 There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. 22 Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. 23 But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.

24 " 'You will make yourselves unclean by these; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. 25 Whoever picks up one of their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening.

26 " 'Every animal that has a split hoof not completely divided or that does not chew the cud is unclean for you; whoever touches the carcass of any of them will be unclean. 27 Of all the animals that walk on all fours, those that walk on their paws are unclean for you; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. 28 Anyone who picks up their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. They are unclean for you.

29 " 'Of the animals that move about on the ground, these are unclean for you: the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, 30 the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon. 31 Of all those that move along the ground, these are unclean for you. Whoever touches them when they are dead will be unclean till evening. 32 When one of them dies and falls on something, that article, whatever its use, will be unclean, whether it is made of wood, cloth, hide or sackcloth. Put it in water; it will be unclean till evening, and then it will be clean. 33 If one of them falls into a clay pot, everything in it will be unclean, and you must break the pot. 34 Any food that could be eaten but has water on it from such a pot is unclean, and any liquid that could be drunk from it is unclean. 35 Anything that one of their carcasses falls on becomes unclean; an oven or cooking pot must be broken up. They are unclean, and you are to regard them as unclean. 36 A spring, however, or a cistern for collecting water remains clean, but anyone who touches one of these carcasses is unclean. 37 If a carcass falls on any seeds that are to be planted, they remain clean. 38 But if water has been put on the seed and a carcass falls on it, it is unclean for you.

39 " 'If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies, anyone who touches the carcass will be unclean till evening. 40 Anyone who eats some of the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening.

41 " 'Every creature that moves about on the ground is detestable; it is not to be eaten. 42 You are not to eat any creature that moves about on the ground, whether it moves on its belly or walks on all fours or on many feet; it is detestable. 43 Do not defile yourselves by any of these creatures. Do not make yourselves unclean by means of them or be made unclean by them. 44 I am the LORD your God; consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am holy. Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves about on the ground. 45 I am the LORD who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy.

46 " 'These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves in the water and every creature that moves about on the ground. 47 You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.' "

And also here:

Originally posted by Deuteronomy:14:

1 Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.

2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

3 Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.

4 These are the beasts which ye shall eat: the ox, the sheep, and the goat,

5 The hart, and the roebuck, and the fallow deer, and the wild goat, and the pygarg, and the wild ox, and the chamois.

6 And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat.

7 Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.

8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:

10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.

12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,

14 And every raven after his kind,

15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,

16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,

17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,

18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

19 And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.

20 But of all clean fowls ye may eat.

21 Ye shall not eat of anything that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that is in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an alien: for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

Now, I can't blame Christians for NOT following the commands of their God, especially the silly ones, but that won't give you moral upper ground over Islam. And I won't even comment about killing non believers to make their God happy, there are simply too many passages in the old testament to quote here.

Originally posted by Immanis:

Now, I can't blame Christians for NOT following the commands of their God, especially the silly ones, but that won't give you moral upper ground over Islam.

Oh, ye of little faith! And the most grievous injunction?
"Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk," which you cite above. Always cautious of offending god, I've never eaten goat and drunk goat milk in the same week! That's the kind of believer I am.

Thou art wise my friend, because that's one of the ten commandments that God himself engraved in the stone tablets of the law:

Originally posted by Exodus:34:

1 The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. 2 Be ready in the morning, and then come up on Mount Sinai. Present yourself to me there on top of the mountain. 3 No one is to come with you or be seen anywhere on the mountain; not even the flocks and herds may graze in front of the mountain."

4 So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the LORD had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands. 5 Then the LORD came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the LORD. 6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation."

8 Moses bowed to the ground at once and worshiped. 9 "O Lord, if I have found favor in your eyes," he said, "then let the Lord go with us. Although this is a stiff-necked people, forgive our wickedness and our sin, and take us as your inheritance."

10 Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. [a] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

15 "Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

17 "Do not make cast idols.

18 "Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

19 "The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.
"No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

21 "Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

22 "Celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year. 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign LORD, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the LORD your God.

25 "Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Feast remain until morning.

26 "Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the LORD your God.
"Do not cook a young goat in its mother's milk."

27 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." 28 Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

I've never eaten goat and drunk goat milk in the same week

Big bucks now. My buddy, a retired lawyer, is into it. He just naturally knows how to make money.

99% same God.both have 99% similarity. Both are two type. Both have Ramzan. Both say adam eive. result is both are same. but they dont eccept the reality

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Always cautious of offending god, I've never eaten goat and drunk goat milk in the same week! That's the kind of believer I am.

What do you have to fear? Are you not a deity yourself?

There's more than one of us. I defer to them and they defer to me, but I don't mess with the goat gods.

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

i DoNt eVEN UnDesratande your Hack

good your not meant to be its called clowning

Originally posted by ensbb3:

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

What a stupid post. It's so complicated that its not even worth a mention. Are you a retard or something?

Read your post back. These forums are getting worse. Its like kindergarden or something. What's shocking is that a lot of the posts aren't even in jest. I mean, this is a serious question.

Danbuzu just likes to makes controversial thread to get people worked up... hummm, now where have I seen that before?

Anyway, it's way too complete sentence structure for him...Here's where he got it from
Copy and paste job... humm, now where have I seen that one? maybe you can help Juggalo1...

i do not need to copy and paste on ISLAM its my no one juggalo religion its groooooooooooovy and me luv it
as the saying goes La Illaha Illallah Muhammadur Rasullullah now i did not need to copy and paste that

Originally posted by lestr:

No they do not worship the same God.
God of Muslim tells them not to eat pork, and so many things. Even killing a christian will make their God happy.

Say that to a Palestinian

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

The Koran and the Arab Bible refer to God the creator as Allah. So, in a generic sense, it is fitting to speak of God/Allah as the One supreme being. But as we explore the prominent character traits that distinguish the One true God from other so-called gods.

So, the question is that: Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

99% yes 1% they dont agree on. Both are same as a coin is one with two diffrent side.If you analyse truely you can get all.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Originally posted by lestr:

No they do not worship the same God.
God of Muslim tells them not to eat pork, and so many things. Even killing a christian will make their God happy.

Say that to a Palestinian

How being you so narrow minded? Have you ever heard the words sound by God. All Holy books written by the Human, not by the God. In the world there is no religion allow to kill any one that stupid thing done by the blody blind human who follow the cheap political issues.that it.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

There's more than one of us. I defer to them and they defer to me, but I don't mess with the goat gods.

I see.

Human!

Originally posted by coolbuddy1972:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Originally posted by lestr:

No they do not worship the same God.
God of Muslim tells them not to eat pork, and so many things. Even killing a christian will make their God happy.

Say that to a Palestinian

How being you so narrow minded? Have you ever heard the words sound by God. All Holy books written by the Human, not by the God. In the world there is no religion allow to kill any one that stupid thing done by the blody blind human who follow the cheap political issues.that it.

Shruuup up poppy cork and why you do that name now ?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Shruuup up poppy cork and why you do that name now ?

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Shruuup up poppy cork and why you do that name now ?

dont yah see colour i do and from where me sitting its all pink puff:D ter

i like that i am going to steal it for my website ta much chuccky

Juggs you need a interpreter..

No. Muslims do not worship the infidel Christ.

your opinions suck.

But thanks for the Sunday school explanation.

O, and just Israel, or did you mean the Jewish faith?

Your posts are very informative. I am sure everyone finds them so.

I know I do. Of course I am in need of this info.

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

Christians worship God and The Son,Jesús Christ

They worship YHWH who is both. Enough with the illogical silliness.
Using your logic, you all are not a monotheistic faith. Christ was YHWH, who committed suicide to himself to please himself, it's that simple.
What an arch-hypocrite that deity that is described in the bible is!

If Belfrager or the (that is for some reason being allowed to post again which totally defeats the purpose in banning him in the 1st place) care to answer, how is it that Catholics cannot commit suicide and be allowed a funeral with all the Catholic rites and all, yet their main figure and deity himself commits suicide and is magically resurrected by himself? The hypocrisy in that is staggering.

The Christians and Muslims Gods have different names. Different traditions, Allah is the Moon god, many Muslim rituals conform to moon god worship and pre date Mohammad and the Koran. Many of the Muslim Koran stories are little more than blatant plagiarism by Mohammad of Jewish scriptures. Proof of the plagiarism can be demonstrated by the willingness of Judea-Christian scholars to critically examine their scriptures, where Muslims get offended and claim to be insulted by any critical examination of their religion by non Muslims. The difference of deities can be further demonstrated that in Muslim Majority countries non Muslims are forbidden under the penalty of law to use the term Allah to describe any God other than a Muslim God.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

how is it that Catholics cannot commit suicide and be allowed a funeral with all the Catholic rites and all

we do offer the Mass for the repose of the soul of a suicide victim, asking for God's tender love and mercy, and His healing grace for the grieving

What are you a witness? You seem to have some facts wrong...Most do.

Originally posted by grysmn:

Proof of the plagiarism can be demonstrated by the willingness of Judea-Christian scholars to critically examine their scriptures

LOL

So many things wrong with that. Christian 'scholars' perform no critical examination of anything except that which blows their crackpot theology wide open. And they do that badly, with nothing more than special pleading and retreats into vague definitions. Their field is a complete waste of time and their frequent claim of associations with philosophy is a grievous insult to the useful field of study.

And hark at you for claiming plagiarism! The Pagans, if there was a larger representation here, would be all over you for that one!



You are deeply confused!

Originally posted by Ward:

The Pagans, if there was a larger representation here, would be all over you for that one!

Pagans!! They're a fun bunch. We sleep all day and sacrifice all night

You two turds can bunk together.

Christians worship God who is all loving and forgiving and looks over us. Muslims worship---actually I don't know whom they worship. Their pseudo religion is filled with hate, misogynism, beheading, roadside bombs, 'honor' killings, killing non-Muslims, killing anyone who has another opinion about Islam, imprisonment of minor transgressors or their own people who disagree with the Muslim philosophy of carnage and hate. The Muslims kill anyone who leaves their 'religion.' Is this a 'religion' of God? I don't think so. I believe it's a cult of the devil, and the true God has little to do with how it operates.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

how is it that Catholics cannot commit suicide and be allowed a funeral with all the Catholic rites

Canon law no longer specifically mentions suicide as an impediment to funeral rites or religious sepulture.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091120072925AA4WHDs

Originally posted by steveturi:

Christians worship God who is all loving and forgiving and looks over us. Muslims worship---actually I don't know whom they worship. Their pseudo religion is filled with hate, misogynism, beheading, roadside bombs, 'honor' killings, killing non-Muslims, killing anyone who has another opinion about Islam, imprisonment of minor transgressors or their own people who disagree with the Muslim philosophy of carnage and hate. The Muslims kill anyone who leaves their 'religion.' Is this a 'religion' of God? I don't think so. I believe it's a cult of the devil, and the true God has little to do with how it operates.

Nice post, you got most of it right at your first try. Now for the tidbits you got wrong, just read your bible for once. You don't need to spent too much time, just read from genesis to the end of exodus (the two first books). By then, you should be aware that all three Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same hateful little god and any religion following his will is going to be full of hate and carnage, punish stupid transgressions with death and eternal suffering and so on. In the end, reading your bible can only strengthen your faith and if not... well, we have a few iron chariots to spare

Originally posted by Judges 1:17-19:

17 And Judah went with Simeon his brother, and they slew the Canaanites that inhabited Zephath, and utterly destroyed it. And the name of the city was called Hormah.

18 Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.

19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

Originally posted by grysmn:

The Christians and Muslims Gods have different names.

Nope, as has been pointed out to you several times already. Yet you keep repeating the same old lie. Not that anyone would expect anything else from someone like you

Originally posted by grysmn:

Different traditions, Allah is the Moon god, many Muslim rituals conform to moon god worship and pre date Mohammad and the Koran.

Even if that was true - so what? There is nothing original in christian ritual either.

Originally posted by grysmn:

Many of the Muslim Koran stories are little more than blatant plagiarism by Mohammad of Jewish scriptures.

It's retelling old testament stories, christians have their own versions of the old testament. Where is the difference?

denominations wouldnt be a problem if you seek Jesús homestly

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

denominations wouldnt be a problem if you seek Jesús homestly

You can't be serious.

No offense to anyone but the bibles and Korans we read today are probably a lot different to what they were 1,500 years ago. After all the monks that were writing them up were under the instruction of a monarch, whose name may have been Jesus or Muhammad. If people are going to believe a story that is written by someone they don't know then why don't you believe other religions as they are books? and old books such as Romeo & Juliet, Macbeth or 20,000 leagues under the sea?
This may cause a lot of hate replies hmm... well I do believe in a God, as life and the big bang couldn't have happened for no reason and in that way Science supports that there must be something before.

Originally posted by bfreeman0:

This may cause a lot of hate replies hmm... well I do believe in a God, as life and the big bang couldn't have happened for no reason and in that way Science supports that there must be something before.

I believe in Macbeth.

If you're bothered by things that happen for no reason, but you're driven to believe in God for that reason, isn't there something slightly amiss about your belief structure? What comes before God?

The idea that one is necessarily driven to a belief in something simply because one needs a starting point is less than convincing. Squirrels don't know where those nuts come from, but I'm sure it's from the God of Nuts.

Originally posted by classicdenny77:

Juggs you need a interpreter..

yup:D

Originally posted by classicdenny77:

Your posts are very informative. I am sure everyone finds them so.

I know I do. Of course I am in need of this info.

Did you ever ask the moderators why you was banned ?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

Christians worship God and The Son,Jesús Christ

They worship YHWH who is both. Enough with the illogical silliness.
Using your logic, you all are not a monotheistic faith. Christ was YHWH, who committed suicide to himself to please himself, it's that simple.
What an arch-hypocrite that deity that is described in the bible is!

If Belfrager or the (that is for some reason being allowed to post again which totally defeats the purpose in banning him in the 1st place) care to answer, how is it that Catholics cannot commit suicide and be allowed a funeral with all the Catholic rites and all, yet their main figure and deity himself commits suicide and is magically resurrected by himself? The hypocrisy in that is staggering.

Where did you ever get that notion he commited suicide i know you took a vow of celbacy but come on what poppy cork is dat .

Originally posted by grysmn:

The Christians and Muslims Gods have different names. Different traditions, Allah is the Moon god, many Muslim rituals conform to moon god worship and pre date Mohammad and the Koran. Many of the Muslim Koran stories are little more than blatant plagiarism by Mohammad of Jewish scriptures. Proof of the plagiarism can be demonstrated by the willingness of Judea-Christian scholars to critically examine their scriptures, where Muslims get offended and claim to be insulted by any critical examination of their religion by non Muslims. The difference of deities can be further demonstrated that in Muslim Majority countries non Muslims are forbidden under the penalty of law to use the term Allah to describe any God other than a Muslim God.

Uhm NO The God Allah has 99 names and one of them is yours comprehende dear fellow ..your beard needs cleaning its spitting flem while it talks .please you know nothing on Islam at all ..

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by bfreeman0:

This may cause a lot of hate replies hmm... well I do believe in a God, as life and the big bang couldn't have happened for no reason and in that way Science supports that there must be something before.

I believe in Macbeth.

If you're bothered by things that happen for no reason, but you're driven to believe in God for that reason, isn't there something slightly amiss about your belief structure? What comes before God?

The idea that one is necessarily driven to a belief in something simply because one needs a starting point is less than convincing. Squirrels don't know where those nuts come from, but I'm sure it's from the God of Nuts.

best comment i am seen in ages touche .

Our Last Imam And The Last Descendant Our Prophet Muhammad (saws) He is the Imam Mahdi and Allah (sw)'s Last Hujja and successor On Earth.. He will Arrive soon Inshallah and Follow By Prophet Jesus (p.b.u.h)

....followed by the Sugar Plum Faerie.

One will have the last grin <..>

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

... He will Arrive soon Inshallah and Follow By Prophet Jesus (p.b.u.h)...

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

One will have the last grin <..>

That would be Jesus?

Ask your local Rabbi.

Originally posted by string:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

... He will Arrive soon Inshallah and Follow By Prophet Jesus (p.b.u.h)...

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

One will have the last grin <..>

That would be Jesus?

what has Isa wil have the last grin or i will

Originally posted by doronron:

Ask your local Rabbi.

why ask them when you got me shame cause i am resident cuckoo but sssssssssssh i know plenty on here what comes and goes and who farts and doesnt;) wink wink say no morey

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Where did you ever get that notion he commited suicide

From the main part of christianity of course.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

i know you took a vow of celbacy

I took no such vow.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

but come on what poppy cork is dat .

The truth. The cold,hard truth.


@Jaybro: I see. Well now, that is an interesting development.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Where did you ever get that notion he commited suicide

From the main part of christianity of course.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

i know you took a vow of celbacy

I took no such vow.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

but come on what poppy cork is dat .

The truth. The cold,hard truth.


@Jaybro: I see. Well now, that is an interesting development.

hahahahah lies lies lies i know you so well dudey

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

hahahahah lies lies lies i know you so well dudey

Art recognizable form isn't it.......sweetpea

I worship my wife.

Originally posted by doronron:

I worship my wife.

She mentioned that.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by doronron:

I worship my wife.

She mentioned that.

Trans gender is she ? Jaybro

Will ask her.

She's a bit confused at the moment.

anybody up for happy hour?

Originally posted by classicdenny77:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

hahahahah lies lies lies i know you so well dudey

Art recognizable form isn't it.......sweetpea

you been watching my movies

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

The Koran and the Arab Bible refer to God the creator as Allah. So, in a generic sense, it is fitting to speak of God/Allah as the One supreme being. But as we explore the prominent character traits that distinguish the One true God from other so-called gods.

So, the question is that: Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

I was taught that god- no matter what religion it is or what he is called- is the same god everyone worships. Different cultures/religions have different names for him, & depending on the cultures the beliefs change. Of course I personally don`t believe in just a god.

It is just a faith that is viewed differently, they both have faith.

No Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

Allah is not God, he is Baal in the Old Testament. He is the ancient Arabic moon-god called Baal Aliyan. He was (is) the god of war, and his symbol was (is) the cresent moon with the star. At one time there were 365 deities in the Mosque in Mecca. Mohammed went off by himself to see if he could find the real God. After an encounter with a spiritual being he reported to his wife that he was not sure if he had heard from God or from a demon. His wife told him that he was a good man, and that he must have heard from God.

Oh dear, the moon god hoax again

Actually, jesus is baal too, if you don't believe me look up what the word actually means

The big difference between Christian and Islamic view of God is the biblical concept of the Holy Trinity. (John 3:16-18) Since Muslims believe in Allah and do not believe in the Holy Trinity it can be said that Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

Originally posted by r4335ny:

The big difference between Christian and Islamic view of God is the biblical concept of the Holy Trinity. (John 3:16-18) Since Muslims believe in Allah and do not believe in the Holy Trinity it can be said that Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

Both claim to worship the god of abraham, isaac etc., and early christianity was far from unified on the trinity ( and some non-trinitarian denominations are still around ). And it's not like the trinity faction had the better arguments either, just the more powerful supporters. Also, last time I checked a christian was someone who believes in jesus as son of god and personal lord & saviour - not necessarily with all the baggage usually piled on top of that.
So, the difference is not the trinity but if jesus is the son of god or a mere prophet, and if muhammad is a prophet.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by r4335ny:

The big difference between Christian and Islamic view of God is the biblical concept of the Holy Trinity. (John 3:16-18) Since Muslims believe in Allah and do not believe in the Holy Trinity it can be said that Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

Both claim to worship the god of abraham, isaac etc., and early christianity was far from unified on the trinity ( and some non-trinitarian denominations are still around ). And it's not like the trinity faction had the better arguments either, just the more powerful supporters. Also, last time I checked a christian was someone who believes in jesus as son of god and personal lord & saviour - not necessarily with all the baggage usually piled on top of that.
So, the difference is not the trinity but if jesus is the son of god or a mere prophet, and if muhammad is a prophet.

read my post again, son.

Originally posted by r4335ny:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by r4335ny:

The big difference between Christian and Islamic view of God is the biblical concept of the Holy Trinity. (John 3:16-18) Since Muslims believe in Allah and do not believe in the Holy Trinity it can be said that Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

Both claim to worship the god of abraham, isaac etc., and early christianity was far from unified on the trinity ( and some non-trinitarian denominations are still around ). And it's not like the trinity faction had the better arguments either, just the more powerful supporters. Also, last time I checked a christian was someone who believes in jesus as son of god and personal lord & saviour - not necessarily with all the baggage usually piled on top of that.
So, the difference is not the trinity but if jesus is the son of god or a mere prophet, and if muhammad is a prophet.

read my post again, son.

Do you have anything relevant to say?
Take your own advice, it's quite obvious that you didn't understand anything I wrote.

Originally posted by r4335ny:

Since Muslims believe in Allah and do not believe in the Holy Trinity it can be said that Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

Yet ironically you think the Jews and Christians worship the same deity, no?
Never mind the fact that Jews don't believe in the trinity either, de facto, by their belief system. (Seeing as how they don't think the "Messiah" has shown his mug yet)

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by r4335ny:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by r4335ny:

The big difference between Christian and Islamic view of God is the biblical concept of the Holy Trinity. (John 3:16-18) Since Muslims believe in Allah and do not believe in the Holy Trinity it can be said that Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

Both claim to worship the god of abraham, isaac etc., and early christianity was far from unified on the trinity ( and some non-trinitarian denominations are still around ). And it's not like the trinity faction had the better arguments either, just the more powerful supporters. Also, last time I checked a christian was someone who believes in jesus as son of god and personal lord & saviour - not necessarily with all the baggage usually piled on top of that.
So, the difference is not the trinity but if jesus is the son of god or a mere prophet, and if muhammad is a prophet.

read my post again, son.

Do you have anything relevant to say?
Take your own advice, it's quite obvious that you didn't understand anything I wrote.

I understood what you wrote and believe you are wrong, specifically about the question posed at the beginning of this thread. The original question was "Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God". My answer is no, they do not. I provided the belief in the Holy trinity as an example of how the two religions ( Catholicism and Islam) differ. Obviously you refuse to provide any proof ( chapter and verse) to support your position. ( Granted, the original question was not about Catholicism but Catholicism is all I know. )

Good night little buddy. ( Don't you have a video card to test of something.)


http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2008/02/28/do-muslims-worship-true-god-bridge-too/
http://www.justforcatholics.org/islam-haveyoursay.htm

Originally posted by r4335ny:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by r4335ny:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by r4335ny:

The big difference between Christian and Islamic view of God is the biblical concept of the Holy Trinity. (John 3:16-18) Since Muslims believe in Allah and do not believe in the Holy Trinity it can be said that Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

Both claim to worship the god of abraham, isaac etc., and early christianity was far from unified on the trinity ( and some non-trinitarian denominations are still around ). And it's not like the trinity faction had the better arguments either, just the more powerful supporters. Also, last time I checked a christian was someone who believes in jesus as son of god and personal lord & saviour - not necessarily with all the baggage usually piled on top of that.
So, the difference is not the trinity but if jesus is the son of god or a mere prophet, and if muhammad is a prophet.

read my post again, son.

Do you have anything relevant to say?
Take your own advice, it's quite obvious that you didn't understand anything I wrote.

I understood what you wrote and believe you are wrong, specifically about the question posed at the beginning of this thread. The original question was "Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God". My answer is no, they do not. I provided the belief in the Holy trinity as an example of how the two religions ( Catholicism and Islam) differ.

And here's where you go wrong - catholicism and christianity aren't the same thing.

Originally posted by r4335ny:

Obviously you refuse to provide any proof ( chapter and verse) to support your position.

Obviously you still didn't understand anything I wrote. Chapters & verses are utterly irrelevant here.

Originally posted by r4335ny:

( Granted, the original question was not about Catholicism but Catholicism is all I know. )

Well, then better go educate yourself before you make yourself look even sillier.

Originally posted by Macallan:

but if jesus is the son of god or a mere prophet, and if muhammad is a prophet.

if you look at it from a mere mortal perspective yes both were prophets, but in the belief system, Jesus is the son of God. Though I can't confirm if the Muslim Koran disproves it or not.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by r4335ny:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by r4335ny:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by r4335ny:

The big difference between Christian and Islamic view of God is the biblical concept of the Holy Trinity. (John 3:16-18) Since Muslims believe in Allah and do not believe in the Holy Trinity it can be said that Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

Both claim to worship the god of abraham, isaac etc., and early christianity was far from unified on the trinity ( and some non-trinitarian denominations are still around ). And it's not like the trinity faction had the better arguments either, just the more powerful supporters. Also, last time I checked a christian was someone who believes in jesus as son of god and personal lord & saviour - not necessarily with all the baggage usually piled on top of that.
So, the difference is not the trinity but if jesus is the son of god or a mere prophet, and if muhammad is a prophet.

read my post again, son.

Do you have anything relevant to say?
Take your own advice, it's quite obvious that you didn't understand anything I wrote.

I understood what you wrote and believe you are wrong, specifically about the question posed at the beginning of this thread. The original question was "Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God". My answer is no, they do not. I provided the belief in the Holy trinity as an example of how the two religions ( Catholicism and Islam) differ.

And here's where you go wrong - catholicism and christianity aren't the same thing.

Originally posted by r4335ny:

Obviously you refuse to provide any proof ( chapter and verse) to support your position.

Obviously you still didn't understand anything I wrote. Chapters & verses are utterly irrelevant here.

Originally posted by r4335ny:

( Granted, the original question was not about Catholicism but Catholicism is all I know. )

Well, then better go educate yourself before you make yourself look even sillier.

I do try, really I do, except I keep running into egotistical techno-geeks that believe they have no use for religion, until they end up in an emergency room.

night night little buddy.

I remember seeing in some documentary about religion that Mohammed was just trying to spread the word of Christ, but somehow he evolved into a messaih himself at some point. I am far from a religious scholar (the whole idea of religion and scholar together makes my skin crawl), and I only prefer Christianity over Islam, because the extreme Muslims have far more influence than extreme Christians do, and their actions are horrible and despicable, such as their treatment of women as property who have no rights, their belief in stoning (WTF???), and their treatment of homosexuals, as well as giving the death penalty for unmarried sex for anyone.

The only religion anyone needs is the golden rule, treat other people with respect and understanding, just the same as you wish to be respected and tolerated. Do not hurt others, since you do not wish to be harmed. If anyone cannot follow this one, simple rule, then they need to be punished. But you could not control and manipulate billions of people, much less extort money from them, if you abandoned organize religion. And the sad truth is that most people just cannot comprehend the concept of life coming to an end, or accept that there are some questions that we just do not have answers for, so there will always be need for religion to give these people peace of mind.

But if you look at the beliefs, actions, and teachings of Islam and Christianity, they are very similar, and their Jihad is really no different or worse than the Christian's crusades. And they both lead to endless violence, hatred, and suffering. Of course, they both share the same basic 'god' as Judaism, since they all have mutated from the old testament, and who knows where that miserable thing came from? How can anyone believe a book that was re-written, edited, revised, and translated countless times, by countless people?

Originally posted by kr-ash:

I remember seeing in some documentary about religion that Mohammed was just trying to spread the word of Christ, but somehow he evolved into a messaih himself at some point.

he had "visions from god" i think delivered by Gabriel once or so.

just to throw this in there... how was physiological disorders understood at that time? there are all sorts of examples of hallucinogens used for religious purposes through out history as well.

Originally posted by kr-ash:

such as their treatment of women as property who have no rights, their belief in stoning (WTF???), and their treatment of homosexuals, as well as giving the death penalty for unmarried sex for anyone.

Islams treatment of women as per the teaching of Mohammad are actually fair in most regards. it's the implemented Sharia law that has been added (not unlike how Christians have done) that is more critical to women. but there are various types, i think, some more relaxed than others.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Do you have anything relevant to say?

Originally posted by r4335ny:

I do try, really I do, except I keep running into egotistical techno-geeks that believe they have no use for religion, until they end up in an emergency room.

night night little buddy.

I take that as a no.

Originally posted by Macallan:

I take that as a no.

A booming, resounding no.

Judea Christians and Muslims worship different Gods. For the first three hundred years before making changes in Christian doctrine and subsequent incorporation into a state religion by Emperor Constitine, Christianity was undeniably a pacifist non state religion. Islam has never had a pacifist period.

Besides it is not scripturally under any circumstance allowed to worship a Judea Christian God while wearing suicide belt or while filled with hate.

Originally posted by kr-ash:

I remember seeing in some documentary about religion that Mohammed was just trying to spread the word of Christ, but somehow he evolved into a messaih himself at some point.

But if you look at the beliefs, actions, and teachings of Islam and Christianity, they are very similar, and their Jihad is really no different or worse than the Christian's crusades. And they both lead to endless violence, hatred, and suffering. Of course, they both share the same basic 'god' as Judaism, since they all have mutated from the old testament, and who knows where that miserable thing came from? How can anyone believe a book that was re-written, edited, revised, and translated countless times, by countless people?

just like the Vatican changed the Holy Book, so did the Muslims after so many years. However, just as as the Jews did, the Muslims never believed the Messiah put a foot on the ground. Which is why the Crusades happened. The actual Christians did see it and had faith for those who didn't.

Here's what really took place, from what I have understood. The Muslims and Early Christians went to War over the Holy Ground of the Burial Place of The Messiah. Details on why Muslims back in the day fought over this is unclear, I'm still investigating in on this. But speculation has it, that Muslims wanted proof of the burial site. The Christians refused to give it up and show proof, therefore sparking the war. I'm not sure what ended it. But I do know this, the Muslims lost. Taken account for todays Pakistani/Israelite War still shows that Islamic people want proof and nothing more.

My opinion is that there are different religions with different Gods. We cannot say that the Muslims God is the same God as the Christians God. Because Allah and God both mean something different. In my opinion they are both 'things that have been in the Human mind for over 2000 years', so generally I think they don't even exist, so how they can be the same God?

But in the matter of fact that if you say that 'God/Allah' mean: The Guide in your head, then I think they're the same God.

I hope you can understand it =)

Sincerely,

Z4nd0ss

Originally posted by Z4nd0ss:

My opinion is that there are different religions with different Gods. We cannot say that the Muslims God is the same God as the Christians God.

Based on the same tradition, after all judaism, christianity and islam all supposedly worship the god of abraham, isaac etc., with varying amounts of additional baggage and mythology.

Originally posted by Z4nd0ss:

Because Allah and God both mean something different.

Actually they don't. 'Allah' means 'god'. Guess how arabic speaking christians refer to their god.

Originally posted by Z4nd0ss:

In my opinion they are both 'things that have been in the Human mind for over 2000 years', so generally I think they don't even exist, so how they can be the same God?

Islam is less than 2000 years old.

Originally posted by grysmn:

For the first three hundred years before making changes in Christian doctrine and subsequent incorporation into a state religion by Emperor Constitine, Christianity was undeniably a pacifist non state religion.

And yet you once again fail to mention that Jesus, if he even existed, was in all likelihood a Roman era terrorist, inflicting and preaching violence. The evidence is compelling.

But then you do like to cherry pick the bits you like. And seeing as you are so full of hatred for Muslims, the idea of Jesus Bin Laden is one you'll happily ignore!

Jesus whose words were feared,and others denied
it was all the people making fuzz,believing wrong.
overthrowing our savior.

Originally posted by garydenness:

Jesus Bin Laden

Indeed, he has killed (biblically-speaking) around 2,476,633 people.
I think this is a suitable motto for old Jesus:
"I kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh." - Deuteronomy 32:39-42

Originally posted by garydenness:

likelihood a Roman era terrorist,

This I must agree with you on. Jesus in his time spread terroristic ideas that the Roman Empire feared of. He had to be put to death. You have to remember that its only terroristic to a country if the mass fear such things.

Originally posted by Virusboy:

esus in his time spread terroristic ideas that the Roman Empire feared of.

wasn't it the jewish people griping? the romans merely ran the province. the romans as a whole were used to having various sects with in the empire.