Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

The Koran and the Arab Bible refer to God the creator as Allah. So, in a generic sense, it is fitting to speak of God/Allah as the One supreme being. But as we explore the prominent character traits that distinguish the One true God from other so-called gods.

So, the question is that: Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

Jesus whose words were feared,and others denied
it was all the people making fuzz,believing wrong.
overthrowing our savior.

Words to set your watch by.

hmm yes it was. Slipped my mind there for a second. Thanks for the correction.

np...

Then answer this was it the Jews or Early Christians that I think started the Crusades?

Originally posted by Virusboy:

Then answer this was it the Jews or Early Christians that I think started the Crusades?

don't quote me on this but... neither, Islamic armies ended up displacing the jews and the early christians couldn't stand for the infidels occupying the holy land. why, I don't know.

Do Christians and Muslims
Worship the Same God?

Both follow "demons"

Originally posted by ensbb3:

neither, Islamic armies ended up displacing the jews and the early christians couldn't stand for the infidels occupying the holy land. why, I don't know.

hmm something more ill need to look in to. well it clears that up some.

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Originally posted by darkforbid:

Both follow "demons"

Are you sure that you don't mean "delusions"?

"Are you sure that you don't
mean "delusions"?"

No... Both follow a human version of what they belive to be God.

But by definition Jesus was never a God.

Originally posted by darkforbid:

No... Both follow a human version of what they belive to be God.

Which is by definition a delusion.

Originally posted by Virusboy:

But by definition Jesus was never a God.

But the early church leaders considered him to be a hybrid of sorts ; a "god-man" in other words.
(Yeah, yet again, another instance of them stealing from older religions. Pity old Zeus didn't strike them with lightning. )

"Which is by definition a delusion"

No that would be beliveing in something un-real.

"But by definition Jesus was
never a God."

he never said he was... Is it fair to blame him for the work of a church he never followed.

Originally posted by darkforbid:

No that would be beliveing in something un-real.

Delusion:
1: the act of deluding : the state of being deluded
2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated
b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

(Yeah, yet again, another instance of them stealing from older religions. Pity old Zeus didn't strike them with lightning.

if your referring to Demi-god that he is. not giving the greeks the credit for coming up with that should be sufficient reason to strike one down

Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the same God, because all of their books are a continuation of eachother, with the Qu'ran being the latest book in the series. The God that the Muslims believe in is the God that the Christians believe in is the God that Jews believe in. We just all have different beliefs on the events that happened, and how we should apply them to our lives.

Originally posted by Khocol4te:

Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the same God, because all of their books are a continuation of eachother, with the Qu'ran being the latest book in the series. The God that the Muslims believe in is the God that the Christians believe in is the God that Jews believe in. We just all have different beliefs on the events that happened, and how we should apply them to our lives.

God and how it affects you... Or not.

Why not ask was that god real... Why

Dawg, your seemingly persistent belief that you exist, as an independent individual who chooses his beliefs is considered, by many, to be but a delusion. Pop-psychology is best left to high-schoolers…

Originally posted by OakdaleFTL:

Dawg, your seemingly persistent belief that you exist, as an independent individual who chooses his beliefs is considered, by many, to be but a delusion.

I'd dearly love to know how they arrived at that conclusion.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by OakdaleFTL:

Dawg, your seemingly persistent belief that you exist, as an independent individual who chooses his beliefs is considered, by many, to be but a delusion.

I'd dearly love to know how they arrived at that conclusion.

As would I. Seems to me like Mr. Dawgfan, like everybody with sense, makes his own decisions, and doesn't listen to <insert ancient date> year old book

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

I'd dearly love to know how they arrived at that conclusion.

It's called science… Or –more specifically– behaviorism. But quite some few professional philosophers (e.g., Dennett) agree, in essence.

Originally posted by Khocol4te:

Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the same God, because all of their books are a continuation of eachother, with the Qu'ran being the latest book in the series. The God that the Muslims believe in is the God that the Christians believe in is the God that Jews believe in. We just all have different beliefs on the events that happened, and how we should apply them to our lives.

You must be open-minded and well learned lad

Christ wants you all with him.
you have your choices

Originally posted by NewTonyIc:

Christ wants you all with him.
you have your choices

Indeed we do.

Unitam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Unitam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant

(See here, my good man!)

Vescere bracis meis...

No they dont because i myself am a muslim ,christians belive that jesus is god and we believe that jesus is not god an the god we believe in has no family no son no daughter and no wife

Originally posted by vexcon:

No they dont because i myself am a muslim ,christians belive that jesus is god and we believe that jesus is not god an the god we believe in has no family no son no daughter and no wife

This is an incorrect statement. Christians believe Jesus was the son of God.

No.

There is no god of any sort: therefore any worshippers are not worshipping the same thing since there is no such thing. That doesn't keep them from being mean to each other. And it also doesn't keep them from being nice to each other. Whether they're mean or nice to each other seems to be a personal decision.

Originally posted by aefields:

There is no god of any sort: therefore any worshippers are not worshipping the same thing since there is no such thing.

Surely, that means they are the same thing - no thing? In programming terms, two null values are generally considered equal.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Originally posted by aefields:

There is no god of any sort: therefore any worshippers are not worshipping the same thing since there is no such thing.

Surely, that means they are the same thing - no thing? In programming terms, two null values are generally considered equal.

Two empty sets are not necessarily the same objects

Unfortunately people aren't so logical, lol. Any being imagined by any one group, or person for that matter, isn't really the same as any being imagined by another group or person. So in this case, each having traits that they attribute to their version of the imaginary null sky-father, any one delusion is not the same as any other delusion. tho they have all further tricked themselves into believing they are to add credibility.

If we accept that gods are complex then their real component is zero but they may still differ wildly in the imaginary part. One more disturbing consequence would be that when gods multiply they can have real offspring

An atheist buys an ancient lamp at an auction, takes it home, and begins to polish it. Suddenly, a genie appears, and says, “I’ll grant you three wishes, Master.” The atheist says, “I wish I could believe in you.” The genie snaps his fingers, and suddenly the atheist believes in him. The atheist says, “Wow. I wish all atheists would believe this.” The genie snaps his fingers again, and suddenly atheists all over the world begin to believe in genies. “What about your third wish?” asks the genie. “Well,” says the atheist, “I wish for a billion dollars.” The genie snaps his fingers for a third time, but nothing happens. “What’s wrong?” asks the atheist. The genie shrugs and says, “Just because you believe in me, doesn’t necessarily mean that I really exist.”

What's a poor solipsist to do?

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Originally posted by aefields:

There is no god of any sort: therefore any worshippers are not worshipping the same thing since there is no such thing.

Surely, that means they are the same thing - no thing? In programming terms, two null values are generally considered equal.

Hmmm...
so... under some conditions they would be worshiping the same god.. just the same as anyone worshiping any null is directed to null. Like grounding your wires.

Christains and Muslims share many things in common but they have diffrencies...
They, both, are not at war but there are misconceptions, misunderstandings and the rest...
Are they at war?

Why should they be?

Christains and Muslims share many things in common but they have diffrencies...
They, both, are not at war but there are misconceptions, misunderstandings and the rest...
Are they at war?

Why should they be?

Im taking my messages off.

Originally posted by angel44444:

I tink is topic is interesting.tnx 4 d topic.4rm my own view,i tink some of the teachings differs like d teaching abt Jesus Christ,muslims believe Allah is d messager while we believe Jesus Christ & God is 1.

Moslems believe Jesus is the messanger of God/Allah

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Moslems believe Jesus is the messanger of God/Allah

You all also believe that he was born of a virgin and was sinless, just as the Christians do.
Putting aside my personal thoughts on the matter for a moment, I'll never understand how Muslims can believe that, and still accept that Muhammad was a greater, so-called "Prophet". I can understand that you all hold him in high regard being as how you call him the "Last Prophet", but it would seem that if a person is born of a virgin and is completely sinless, that he would be greater than a merchant who holes up in a cave and is apparently visited by the "angel" called Gabriel.

Such is religion though. Contradictions, more contradictions, and outrageous, unprovable claims.
The contradictions to tend to be quite amusing though, seeing as how when you spot one, they tend to be huge contradictions.

Not a great surprise - is the following of a musician, or a sportsman, or a film star, directly proportional to their skill and importance to their field?

I mean, of course Elvis was the most successful artist of his era and did some amazing things, but really, isn't Bill Haley the more important? (Note: I have no idea.)

Everyone who follows thinks that their chosen leader is the most important, no matter how they regard the others.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Not a great surprise

True enough.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

is the following of a musician, or a sportsman, or a film star, directly proportional to their skill and importance to their field?

Of course not.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Everyone who follows thinks that their chosen leader is the most important, no matter how they regard the others.

Good point.

Which face will we paint on God next?

Can a human face ever be right!

They do okay. Respect each other's religon.

Originally posted by darkforbid:

Which face will we paint on God next?

Can a human face ever be right!

No, because: God is an Alien

apparently not.

Do they sorry no definite answer. Let me pray about it first.

Originally posted by maxwelltsai1987:

Respect each other's religon.

Respect is earned, not given.

Considering the damage that 2 of the 3 Abrahamic religions have done the world (and Judaism isn't without it's fault), as long as the religious adherant's aren't preachy and fundie-ish, I can note their beliefs and respect the choice the adherant has made.

Originally posted by r4335ny:

Originally posted by vexcon:

No they dont because i myself am a muslim ,christians belive that jesus is god and we believe that jesus is not god an the god we believe in has no family no son no daughter and no wife

This is an incorrect statement. Christians believe Jesus was the son of God.

some Christians believe that Jesus is God, others believe that Jesus is the Son of God. there have been some controversy over this topic. I'm a Christian, and through the many churches i have been to, if its one thing i have learned, is that everybody contradicts each other and none of the Christians can agree what it is that the Bible says. They all misinterpret the Bible. The Bible has been stretched and tossed about like a rag doll.

Originally posted by TogaOga:

some Christians believe that Jesus is God, others believe that Jesus is the Son of God. there have been some controversy over this topic.

You are right, whether The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are one entity or three united in purpose has caused much lively debate. I accept it as an unrevealed truth and merge both positions into a situation where I go back and forth. I agree with those who believe that they are one in purpose and I understand them better when I agree with those who think of their individual qualities as individuals united and then with an improved understanding I swing back to the other position for a bit and so on again and again.

Originally posted by TogaOga:

if its one thing i have learned, is that everybody contradicts each other and none of the Christians can agree what it is that the Bible says. They all misinterpret the Bible. The Bible has been stretched and tossed about like a rag doll.

Yes what I find about churches is that many are strong on one or at most two parts of the Works (Old Testament), Love (first four gospels of NT) and Faith (Acts) concepts. The rest of the NT is an explanation of combining and merging of the three concepts. For instance there are many who in legalistic sense fully understand the Scripture and I wish that I had their under standing. While others fully understand the love part and their warmth is incredible. Thirdly there are those who understand the Faith and their enthusiasm is incredible. Truly Charismatics truly understand the faith and spiritual, while Catholics, Orthodoxes and Protestants tend to polarize to understanding works and love. I humbly attend all types of bible study and churches, listen to what they say, answer their questions when asked and learn from them all in humility.

In debate where Christians get nailed by unbelievers in when they try to defend Doctrine. When debating I find it smart to stick to explaining the Holy Scriptures when defending Christian concepts.

Well anyway keep it fun! all!

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas

Originally posted by grysmn:

In debate where Christians get nailed by unbelievers in when they try to defend Doctrine.

Actually, it's when they try to defend the lot of it.

Originally posted by grysmn:

When debating I find it smart to stick to explaining the Holy Scriptures when defending Christian concepts.

Come now, be honest Grysmn. You ignore what isn't cozy with the faith that you hold, even if it is proven nonsense.

Originally posted by TogaOga:

Merry Christmas

And a Happy Yuletide to all!

You can tell that Christians and Muslims pray to different gods by taking a moment observe their praying habits. When a Christian opens his eyes when praying he is looking up to heaven oftentimes seeing the sky. When a Muslim opens his eyes while praying he often sees a posterior inches from his nose, just do not breathe too deeply when praying as a Muslim.

It's sad how blind you are. saying you are a christian and living like one are not the same thing.
Open your eyes and you'll see what an ass you've been.

Originally posted by grysmn:

You can tell that Christians and Muslims pray to different gods by taking a moment observe their praying habits. When a Christian opens his eyes when praying he is looking up to heaven oftentimes seeing the sky. When a Muslim opens his eyes while praying he often sees a posterior inches from his nose, just do not breathe too deeply when praying as a Muslim.

I truly feel terrible for people like you.

Originally posted by ensbb3:

It's sad how blind you are. saying you are a christian and living like one are not the same thing.

Originally posted by WarriorPhilosophy:

I truly feel terrible for people like you.

The only thing we can do is provide them the facts. Hopefully in time, they will recognize the errors in judgement they have made.
Speaking of judgement:
Luke 6:37 (KJV)
" (37)Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven."

I have yet to meet a Christian who has not judged my atheism.

Originally posted by grysmn:

You can tell that Christians and Muslims pray to different gods by taking a moment observe their praying habits. When a Christian opens his eyes when praying he is looking up to heaven oftentimes seeing the sky. When a Muslim opens his eyes

Actually this way of praying the Muslims stole from (Eastern) Christianity, the Easterners being more into devotion than the Westerners. In other words this is something that unites rather than divides the two faiths.

Jax, you mean prostration?

Originally posted by jax:

Actually this way of praying the Muslims stole from (Eastern) Christianity,

Muhammad a thief stole many things from Orthodox Christians, The form of prostration as practiced by Orthodox Christians was not one of them. Prostration as a requirement to pray is unique to Islam, Islamic prostration is similar to the Chinese kowtow. A mosque is a place of worship for followers of Islam, which literally means a place of prostration. Muslims often pray knelling bending forward hands touching the ground, arraigned nose to tail when in Mosques. the Arabic word Sujood (also meaning prostration) appears about 90 times in the Qur'an, True the Christian Orthodox at times prostrate themselves, Christian prostration can take various forms of kneeling or laying completely flat face down. there are also other times that prostration is discouraged. There is no requirement in either Hebrews or Christian scriptures requiring prostration when praying, though there are many examples of prostration during intense prayer.

Originally posted by jax:

the Easterners being more into devotion than the Westerners.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Devotion is often difficult to discern in Christians for in the Christian scriptures Christians are told not to make a big pretense out of godly devotions trying to impress their fellow man, instead Christians should aspire to perform devotions quietly to impress GOD.

Originally posted by grysmn:

Devotion is often difficult to discern in Christians

Truest thing you ever said...

You're just wasting words with the rest of that post. You have fun googling that at least?

The Koran documents Mohammads anti social behavior. The Koran details Muhammad's acts of vandalism, mutilation, rape, child molestation, lying, stealing and Mohammads encouragement of his followers to do the same.

Originally posted by ensbb3:

You're just wasting words with the rest of that post. You have fun googling that at least?

You can't refute it can you. Obviously you made an attempt at refutation when you verified my sources.

Originally posted by jax:

Originally posted by grysmn:

You can tell that Christians and Muslims pray to different gods by taking a moment observe their praying habits. When a Christian opens his eyes when praying he is looking up to heaven oftentimes seeing the sky. When a Muslim opens his eyes

Actually this way of praying the Muslims stole from (Eastern) Christianity, the Easterners being more into devotion than the Westerners. In other words this is something that unites rather than divides the two faiths.

Don't tell him that by his - umm, 'logic' - catholics and baptists pray to different gods as well. I wonder how many different christian gods there are

Well, how many Christians are there? There's your answer.

Originally posted by grysmn:

Obviously you made an attempt at refutation when you verified my sources.

Nope, I just googled the word i was sure you didn't know.

googling is fun

Originally posted by grysmn:

The Koran documents Mohammads anti social behavior.

The Bible documents Yahweh/YHWH's jealousy throughout the bible. If he was the only supposed deity out there, why would he get so irritable at humans worshipping B'aal that he felt the need (as he often is supposedly documented as doing throughout the Bible) to smite some of his supposed creation that he supposedly loves so much? What, pray tell, is your point? Was Muhammad considered anti-social for his day? Absolutely? Was Jesus considered a political and religious terrorist in his day? Yes.

Originally posted by grysmn:

The Koran details Muhammad's acts of vandalism, mutilation, rape, child molestation, lying, stealing and Mohammads encouragement of his followers to do the same.

Meanwhile, the Bible, before it was adjusted to suit the early church's agenda, considered having these two lovely texts in it, but they would have tarnished the character who sacrificed himself to himself to forgive his creation's sins so that he, himself, wouldn't have to send everyone to a place called hell.
1. http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html (Gospel of Thomas)
2. http://www.gnosis.org/library/inftomb.htm

So the question now is, while what you post has grains of truth embedded in it, if a deity is "a petty control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully", should it's followers be just like that?

Originally posted by grysmn:

The Koran documents Mohammads anti social behavior. The Koran details Muhammad's acts of vandalism, mutilation, rape, child molestation, lying, stealing and Mohammads encouragement of his followers to do the same.

And, as I have mentioned before, Jesus (if he existed) was probably a Roman era terrorist. Jesus bin Laden. The evidence available, both historical and biblical, with a dash of common sense and reality, point to the man you follow being nothing more than a murderous thug whose story has been sanitised over the centuries.

His followers have most certainly followed his example to the letter.

Do you feel no shame, worshipping a terrorist?

Originally posted by garydenness:

And, as I have mentioned before, Jesus (if he existed) was probably a Roman era terrorist. Jesus bin Laden. The evidence available, both historical and biblical, with a dash of common sense and reality, point to the man you follow being nothing more than a murderous thug whose story has been sanitised over the centuries.

His followers have most certainly followed his example to the letter.

Do you feel no shame, worshipping a terrorist?

So there was no occupational Roman force? This doesn't strike me as a particularly strong argument even if it's completely accurate.

Instead of quoting the Bible as my Protestant friends so often do, I'll quote an opera rock.

Priests He is dangerous Look Caiaphas They are right outside our yard Quick Caiaphas Go call the Roman guard
Caiaphas No wait, we need a more permanent solution to our problem.
Annas What shall we do about Jesus of Nazareth? Miracle worker, pilgrim or fool
Priest No riots, no Romans, no fighting, no slogans
Caiaphas One thing to say for him, Jesus is cool
Annas We dare not leave him to his own devices His half-witted fans will get out of control
Priest But how can we stop him, his glamour increases With every minute, he's top of the pole
Caiaphas I see bad things arising The crowd crown him King Which the Romans would ban I see blood and destruction Our elimination because of one man Blood and destruction Because of one man
Voices What can we do about this Jesusmania? How can we deal with the carpenter king? Where do we start with a man who is bigger Than John was when John did his baptism thing?
Caiaphas Fools! You have no perception The stakes we are gambling Are frighteningly high We must crush him completely So like John before him This Jesus must die For the sake of the nation This Jesus must die Must die, must die This Jesus must die

Originally posted by garydenness:

And, as I have mentioned before, Jesus (if he existed) was probably a Roman era terrorist. Jesus bin Laden. The evidence available, both historical and biblical, with a dash of common sense and reality, point to the man you follow being nothing more than a murderous thug whose story has been sanitised over the centuries.

His followers have most certainly followed his example to the letter.

Do you feel no shame, worshipping a terrorist?

With your limited composition ability you usually add a cartoon to express yourself. You must have forget your cartoon this time.

Originally posted by grysmn:

With your limited composition ability you usually add a cartoon to express yourself. You must have forget your cartoon this time.

Oh the irony. You are complaining about my 'composition ability'. And then, aside from the awkward noun compound, you utterly fail to correctly compose your second sentence. 'You must have forgotten', not 'you must have forgot...'. This is often referred to in grammar books as 'past speculation', something you've claimed to be an expert in. And something you have yet again proven yourself to be unable to understand at the most basic level.

I understand your bitterness about the use of emoticons. No one wants to look quite as astonishingly silly as you made yourself look in the other thread. But still, I suspect this latest diversion is just to avoid answering an uncomfortable question, one which you lack the intellect or bravery to confront.

Originally posted by garydenness:

And, as I have mentioned before, Jesus (if he existed) was probably a Roman era terrorist. Jesus bin Laden. The evidence available, both historical and biblical, with a dash of common sense and reality, point to the man you follow being nothing more than a murderous thug whose story has been sanitised over the centuries.

His followers have most certainly followed his example to the letter.

Do you feel no shame, worshipping a terrorist?

Originally posted by Frenzie:

So there was no occupational Roman force? This doesn't strike me as a particularly strong argument even if it's completely accurate.

Sure there was an occupational Roman force. Without an occupier or oppressor of some sort, there'd be nothing for him to rebel against!

If you like, you could refer to him as a freedom fighter. Freedom fighter/terrorist.....the only difference is which side you care to take.

There's plenty of historical and biblical evidence to support the assertion. We can start with what we know of the Zealots, a group who we can easily describe as Roman era terrorists/freedom fighters. A Zealot comes of age at 30 when he would join the battle. What age was Jesus when he reappeared on the scene? At least two of his followers can be identified as zealots, from their names. Jesus and his followers, according to the bibel, were armed, aggressive and went on raids, rampaging through temples and cutting off ears. And he was the latest, or so it is claimed, in a dynasty of warriors, with prophesies to fulfil. There's also common sense....how people could have been expected to act and react in the region during that time.

Yes, yes. There's a lot of 'love' in the bibel too. But just ask Grysmn....there's a lot of 'love' in the Koran, too. And sometimes Muslims will shout a message of love and peace just as he blows himself and those around him to smithereens.

Originally posted by garydenness:

A Zealot comes of age at 30 when he would join the battle.

That would be old to be edible to to participate in the battle, since the life expectancy of Classical Rome and Greece was less than 30 years. So that doesn't quite seem right. Granted that the high infant mortality rate greatly pushed the life expectancy downward, but even so 30 would seem an unrealistic age requirement.

Originally posted by garydenness:

And, as I have mentioned before, Jesus (if he existed) was probably a Roman era terrorist. Jesus bin Laden. The evidence available, both historical and biblical, with a dash of common sense and reality, point to the man you follow being nothing more than a murderous thug whose story has been sanitised over the centuries.

History is full of this stuff.

Lexington 1775

BOSTON - April 20

National guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of recently banned weapons were ambushed on April 19th by elements of a para-military extremist faction. Military and law enforcement sources estimate that 72 were killed and more than 200 injured before government forces were compelled to withdraw.

Speaking after the clash Massachusetts Governor Thomas Gage declared that the extremist faction, which was made up of local citizens, has links to the radical right-wing tax protest movement. Gage blamed the extremists for recent incidents of vandalism directed against internal revenue offices. The governor, who described the group's organizers as "criminals," issued an executive order authorizing the summary arrest of any individual who has interfered with the government's efforts to secure law and order.

I still weep for my British roots.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

That would be old to be edible to to participate in the battle,

Properly seasoned and roasted, Jews were still perfectly edible at that age.

On a serious note, the age of 30 is a milestone for Jews, when they 'gain strength and power'. The average life expectancy matters little. As you point out infant deaths etc skew the total downwards. A man having reached the age of 25 would be expected to get to his mid 50's. A man of 33 would be expected to live into his 60's.

Originally posted by jbrothernew:

I still weep for my British roots.

Weep no more, and rejoice with your fellow Grand Rapidians, as they look forward to the wedding!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/fooc

Erm, what does a smiling Cheeseburger have to do with whether or not Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

Isn't that considered trolling?

Originally posted by PaxTecum:

Erm, what does a smiling Cheeseburger have to do with whether or not Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

Context. Ever heard of it?

Originally posted by Macallan:

Context. Ever heard of it?

I hope it was a Kosher burger.....

Originally posted by garydenness:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Context. Ever heard of it?

I hope it was a Kosher burger.....

Does eating only kosher food make you kosher?

Originally posted by garydenness:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

So there was no occupational Roman force? This doesn't strike me as a particularly strong argument even if it's completely accurate.

Sure there was an occupational Roman force. Without an occupier or oppressor of some sort, there'd be nothing for him to rebel against!

If you like, you could refer to him as a freedom fighter. Freedom fighter/terrorist.....the only difference is which side you care to take.

There's plenty of historical and biblical evidence to support the assertion. We can start with what we know of the Zealots, a group who we can easily describe as Roman era terrorists/freedom fighters. A Zealot comes of age at 30 when he would join the battle. What age was Jesus when he reappeared on the scene? At least two of his followers can be identified as zealots, from their names. Jesus and his followers, according to the bibel, were armed, aggressive and went on raids, rampaging through temples and cutting off ears. And he was the latest, or so it is claimed, in a dynasty of warriors, with prophesies to fulfil. There's also common sense....how people could have been expected to act and react in the region during that time.

Yes, yes. There's a lot of 'love' in the bibel too. But just ask Grysmn....there's a lot of 'love' in the Koran, too. And sometimes Muslims will shout a message of love and peace just as he blows himself and those around him to smithereens.

We celebrate our... terrorism against the Spanish, French, and German occupational forces. So it goes. You can judge the hypothetical terrorist Yoshua harshly, but I would point out that Spartacus is a global folk hero. Insofar as worship is ever something anyone should want to do, the terrorist Yoshua sounds more worthy of it than the mythical Jesus.