Bookmark problem still the same - can't right click and insert new bookmark into subfolders

Bookmark problem still the same - can't right click and insert new bookmark into subfolders

This is the ONLY reason that I use FF as my primary browser over Opera. I have thousands of bookmarks. I have them sorted into subfolders and sub-subfolders, etc. It used to be, many Opera incarnations ago, that I could right click and have the option of placing a new BM into the appropriate subfolder, and that is still the case, but only on certain websites. For instance it works OK here on this Opera forum, but it does not work here:

http://librivox.org/

Originally posted by werewolf:

For instance it works OK here on this Opera forum, but it does not work here:

It works fine for me. Perhaps you already bookmarked the page and are trying to add it again?

If that is the problem, see this thread in the wish-list to improve the handling of duplicate bookmarks.

Now I'm not sure, Pesala, but if that's the case, then like the guys on that thread you linked (which I didn't find when I searched for "bookmarks" before I posted this) I would like it to be the way it used to be, and let it be my own decision if I want the same bookmark placed in more than one subfolder. Bookmarks used to work perfectly for me on Opera.

Pesala won't like this but here's another big topic about this issue... however, NOTE that it isn't in the wish-list forum!

Thanks, NK. Good thread. Too bad I wasn't able to search it out before starting this new one. I have a very complex Bookmark setup with thousands of bookmarks in folders and sub-folders and even sub sub folders, and this new Opera "feature" is the main reason that I have switched to FF as my primary browser.

It seems that the users complaining about this new feature are the ones with a huge clutter of duplicates bookmarks in many different folders — the very users who need to declutter their bookmarks by not adding so many duplicates. Forcing such users to organise their bookmarks better seems like a good move, especially if they want to synchronise bookmarks across several computers.

I also want the option of adding duplicate bookmarks (and you can), but it is obviously useful to be reminded if a bookmark already exists.

What would be useful is some intelligent discussion in the wish-list forum about how to implement the duplicate warning, rather than harping on about the fact that it is not ideal at the moment as natural-kutkaa has been doing for months.

Originally posted by MichaelVB:

I know, it often makes sense to have a bookmark in more than one folder. But it is also a problem to have the same link stored multiple, if you need to modify it, for example.

Originally posted by wasatime:

now the browser scans my huge bookmark list (my bookmark file) before adding a bookmark. So sometimes, adding a new website to bookmarks takes 10 or more seconds.

Pesala - It's not clutter, but I often want to access a website from different places as the website may serve more than one function or be applicable to more than one purpose or be classified under more than one designation, thus I like to have the same website bookmarked more than once, each under its appropriate folder or subfolder.

"I also want the option of adding duplicate bookmarks (and you can), but it is obviously useful to be reminded if a bookmark already exists."

That would be excellent if Opera could merely post a reminder notice that the website has already been bookmarked, and give the location where, but still allow me to reenter it again anywhere i want. That would be perfect.

Originally posted by Pesala:

It seems that the users complaining about this new feature are the ones with a huge clutter of duplicates bookmarks in many different folders — the very users who need to declutter their bookmarks by not adding so many duplicates.

You think so? Can't you be more arrogant!? What a nerve! Jeez.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Forcing such users

That's a good thing, wow. I'd like to force you out of your buddhism because it IMO obviously increases your self-righteousness and enhances your "my way, the only way" view of the world and other people. How does that sound? Is it any different than your opinion of forcing people to use Opera bookmarks the way you think is the best for them, you, and rest of the world?

Originally posted by Pesala:

Forcing such users to organise their bookmarks better seems like a good move, especially if they want to synchronise bookmarks across several computers.

Especially why? Why is that sync example good? And, organizing is something other than just "preventing/avoiding/cleaning out duplicates".. what is the subject here.

Originally posted by Pesala:

rather than harping on about the fact that it is not ideal at the moment as natural-kutkaa has been doing for months.

My starting point is that this is a bug Opera has introduced, hence I'm not very keen to activate myself on a wish-list forum. I've been "harping" about it only to refute your inane arguments and constant forcing of users to believe that this really is a feature rather than a bug.

Originally posted by natural-kutkaa:

My starting point is that this is a bug Opera has introduced

If so, then from your POV there is nothing to do but wait for the developers to either close that reported DSK-285154 as "by design" or to fix it, if it is indeed a bug. So, all of your posts on this topic since March are nothing but trolling.

Get a grip Pesala. Stop it already. This topic or that topic? Trolling? Ah haha, yeah, whatever dude, better check the mirror before calling out. If it was, then I'm sure mods would have done something to it. (Isn't it a shame that you haven't been invited? How long have you been chasing that?) Stop your "harping", "trolling" attacks. Thanks. EDIT: And oh yeah, forgot to say this again, please stop that "then wait that bug to be resolved and shut up" nonsense, I can converse the issue as long as I follow the rules. Stop stifling! You're not in the position to dictate what other forum members can or can't do.

Stop trying to stifle dissent from your POV. IMO its not a bug, its a new feature. Checking for duplicates was added to Opera Link, so it was added to the bookmark panel too.

As we do cannot see the code, we have to admit that almost anything could be a bug, that is very unlikely. Why would the properties dialogue pop up on duplicates if that was not intended? Why would the code even check for duplicates by accident?

Originally posted by Pesala:

Stop trying to stifle dissent from your POV.

And where is that? I've acknowledged your opinion and others that disagree with me. It seems to be only otherwise, you've constantly, maybe not so directly always but at least between the lines, tried to "silence" the people that do not agree with you.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Why would the properties dialogue pop up on duplicates if that was not intended? Why would the code even check for duplicates by accident?

This is totally futile.. I think I'm going to answer you with your own words, and that's the end of it for me.

Originally posted by Pesala:

As we do cannot see the code, we have to admit that almost anything could be a bug

EDIT: The OP thanked me for linking to that other topic, that was my only MO to post in this topic. For the record, I didn't come here to bicker again. Your totally false statements about what I've been saying ("harping on about the fact that it is not ideal"), and your arrogant (and ignorant too I guess) "users who have many duplicates have cluttered their bookmarks and should learn/be forced to organize better" (paraphrased) utter nonsense couldn't be left unanswered.

Originally posted by natural-kutkaa:

Your totally false statements about what I've been saying ("harping on about the fact that it is not ideal")

You seem to have a short memory. Do you even know how many times you have posted about this alleged "MAJOR bug" in various blogs and forum threads?

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=4506721

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=4628701

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=4893951

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=5288261

It would be great if you would stop nagging, and contribute some intelligent discussion in the wish-list. If it is by design — as I suspect — it is unlikely to be removed, though improvement or a complete change to how it works is always possible. There is a need to remove duplicates and to prevent them in the first place.

Links you listed in order:
1) first post in that topic ("Really awful bug indeed.", my stance on the issue and then: "If this is intended...", speculation of my opinion..), AND one has to note that this is the first post to this forum after I was "activated" by the poor 10.5 release (had 2 post before this from years 2008 & 2009) and realized that the blog is not the correct place to post...
2 & 4) updates.. that is allowed I think, it's not the "same thing more than once".. and those are 1½ months apart!
3) you're referring to posts 3 & 4 containing similar information? That's a month apart and the last one is my 1st and only plea to opera staff to respond.

Harping? Hmm, I don't see it. Do you want me to list your true harping in that other topic? (I won't) Why did you have to bring that topic into this topic? (rhetoric) And don't argue that it was me who brought it over, I merely linked to that topic.


It would be great if you would stop acting like a (forum) demigod. Thanks. And I underline that your unintelligent nonsense prompted me to post in this topic further than just linking that other topic.

Originally posted by Pesala:

There is a need to remove duplicates and to prevent them in the first place.

Jesus tap-dancing christ, you're unbelievable. Are you really this arrogant and ignorant.. oh dear lord (whatever that is..) So it's true, it's "my way, the only way" all along for you then eh.

I've to say that I've been somewhat interested in buddhism but, I know this is stupid and it shouldn't affect but anyways this is true, your behavior has made me wonder...

Originally posted by Pesala:

There is a need to remove duplicates and to prevent them in the first place.

This has been requested many times over the years.

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=234097

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=240058

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=120596

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=202158

etc.

Originally posted by natural-kutkaa:

Are you really this arrogant and ignorant.

Are you really following the forum rules and guidelines? You lost the argument as soon as you lost your temper. Having no answer to the points that I raise, your only resort is to make personal attacks or to question the value of Buddhism.

If you really want to address this alleged bug, the desktop team blog is probably the best way to get the attention of the developers. This is a user2user support forum — a suitable place to get feedback from other users about what might be a better way to prevent or clean out duplicate bookmarks.

Originally posted by Pesala:

This has been requested many times over the years.

Couldn't you find more recent topics than over 2-4 year old ones? Anyways, the point is, and what shows trough the posts you linked to, that people would like more control of bookmarks! Your "There is a need to ... to prevent them in the first place." is quite something else and truly arrogant statement IMHO.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Are you really following the forum rules and guidelines?

Are you? I see your "harping", "trolling" attacks, your in between accusation of me being stupid, your tries to silence me, your constant harping in topics.. but this is futile, there are other parties that take care of that, you don't have to worry about it.. though I know you'd like to.

Originally posted by Pesala:

You lost the argument as soon as you lost your temper.

You lost the argument as soon as you made false claims of what I've written.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Having no answer to the points that I raise

Are you serious? It's you who have evaded my questions. What question I've left unanswered? I went through all your posts here and can't find any.

Originally posted by Pesala:

only resort is to make personal attacks or to question the value of Buddhism.

Only? Well I've many arguments, if you can't see them.. I can't help you. That was a side note how bad advocate of buddhism you're, it was not ad hominem.

Originally posted by Pesala:

If you really want to address this alleged bug, the desktop team blog is probably the best way to get the attention of the developers.

No it isn't. They constantly delete messages, and they themselves say that post in forum and a bug report. They're only interested in getting some odd regressions between builds there.


EDIT: I'm slowly retiring (have been for some time already.. I guess I've lost hope for better/"proper" opera) from this forum, so you don't have to worry about me anymore.

Originally posted by natural-kutkaa:

There is a need to ... to prevent them in the first place." is quite something else and truly arrogant statement IMHO.

So your opinion is humble and mine is truly arrogant?

Originally posted by ficki4:

Check if already a bookmark exist before adding it
Hello there.

Because I have a lot of bookmarks, many times I add a page two or three times, so from time to time I have to check and discard the double entries with 3rd party software.

Again avoiding.. you just like to throw around accusations that don't fit nobody but you, funny, were you again waiting that the topic is closed after your post. Well I don't like analogues but here it goes: if some adults shit in their pants, should we all wear nappies then? If some people murder others with ordinary kitchen knives, should all knives be banned and made illegal? I'm sure you get the point.. hopefully.. and in case you didn't, just because some few sloppy disorganized users can't keep their things in order, we, the rest of the users should be penalized? Of course not. I made this point very clear in the other topic already but it seems that it needs to be repeated in order to penetrate trough your obviously thick skull (though I don't have much hope of succeeding at that) since you constantly parrot your inane arguments. You don't use/like duplicates, fine, but advocating the idea that all, and thus major part of the users who are happy as it was with bookmarks, should be forced and penalized because few bad apples is BS. You and ficki4, 2 I guess sloppy, disorganized users that can't take responsibility of organizing their bookmarks (& other things?), want to have some nanny to wipe your arse, so to speak, and you want to push that to other, what, how many Opera users are there?

If they could just make the feature optional it would make everybody happy.

Originally posted by natural-kutkaa:

You and ficki4, 2 I guess sloppy, disorganized users that can't take responsibility of organizing their bookmarks (& other things?), want to have some nanny to wipe your arse, so to speak, and you want to push that to other, what, how many Opera users are there?

There you go again — making insulting remarks because you have no case.

Deal with it the way it is. Even if it is a bug, as you (wrongly IMO) claim, you still have to deal with it. My suggested work-around of dragging bookmarks to the panel is an easy method to add duplicate bookmarks until such time as it is improved or fixed (if it is broken).

Buddhism teaches people to deal with the world as it really is — inherently unsatisfactory and subject to change. Instead of whinging about the way things are, look for ways to work with the reality as you find it.

Originally posted by natural-kutkaa:

They constantly delete messages, and they themselves say that post in forum and a bug report. They're only interested in getting some odd regressions between builds there.

According to you, this is a regression isn't it? I think they delete posts that are rude. Try changing your attitude and see if your posts still get deleted.

Originally posted by werewolf:

If they could just make the feature optional it would make everybody happy.

It is impossible to please everyone. Opera developers should ignore the whiners and listen only to those who offer intelligent, polite, and constructive feedback. That, it seems, is what they usually do.

Originally posted by Pesala:

this is a regression isn't it

No, I said regressions between builds, don't try to twist things anymore.

Originally posted by Pesala:

I think they delete posts that are rude.

Yes, but NOT only because of that.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Opera developers should ignore the whiners and listen only to those who offer intelligent, polite, and constructive feedback.

Like you? And you do only that? Was it not whining when you, out of the blue, came out with your false "harping" attack? Are you elevating your status by attacking others?

Originally posted by Pesala:

Try changing your attitude and see if your posts still get deleted.

Attitude has nothing to do with it. Don't sidetrack again and try to make false impressions about me. Who said that it was my posts that got deleted? I didn't. You constantly hide attacks between lines, I've seen that before, it seems that your type of people think that it's very intellectual thing to do. I suggest that YOU change your attitude and step down from the ivory tower.. I bet it's very lonely in there.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Deal with it the way it is. Even if it is a bug, as you (wrongly IMO) claim, you still have to deal with it.

I'm dealing with it, can you deal with that? No, you must try to silence everyone who doesn't agree with what you want and how you see the world and everything in it.

Originally posted by Pesala:

look for ways to work with the reality as you find it.

My opinion about the issue is reality, I guess your way to work with that reality is to change the opinion of the "false believer" or silence it, instead of respecting it.

You're one sad case with your "you got no case" remarks seeing that you can't follow or answer refutes and/or counterarguments yourself. Then again, I guess silence is an answer. If I got no "case", why continue? You have gathered lots of negative karma already..

Originally posted by Pesala:

Instead of whinging about the way things are

Then why did you have to start making false claims about what I've said in the other topic and denigrate me.. I guess you felt that you "lost" (whatever that means) somehow and had to get back.. can you honestly tell why you had to attack me like that? I thought that the "other topic" was done and dealt.. obviously it wasn't in your head.

CAN YOU STOP? I'll do that.

Originally posted by natural-kutkaa:

Then why did you have to start making false claims about what I've said in the other topic

They were not false — I provided links to prove that you have been harping on about this alleged bug since March.

1. Your first post in the thread on 6th March saying that you had already posted about the bug in the desktop blog
2. Your second post on 14th March saying it had not been fixed yet
3. Your third post on the 29th March asking for a statement from the developers whether it was a bug or not
4. Your fourth post on 27th April saying that it was still not fixed in 10.52 final.

And those are just your comments in one thread. Then there is this one.

I refuted all those already.

1. & 3. - Blog is blog, forum is forum, different things, I'm surprised that you suddenly don't know that. You can't post those type of things once? You can't post your 1st post about an issue? You can't ask for Opera staff to respond? Is anyone allowed to post anything here (that you don't happen to like)? Hello? According to you, no. I guess the mods then do their job badly.
2. & 4. - Like I said, updating the situation (moderation is of course needed.. not posting every day for example) is most definitely allowed, it's not harping at all. It's the same thing what you recently did with about 2 year old topic. Updated the situation.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Then there is this one.

Oh my, I know it's hard when somebody corrects ones incorrect statements. My condolences. Is that harping? That false comment I corrected was not the first time you said that, isn't that harping on your part? You were corrected before in other topic about that, but I guess you couldn't be able to understand that. And this could make it even worse than harping, seemingly purposely spreading false information?

Maybe you Pesala should look in the mirror before starting to accuse other people of harping? Might do wonders to investigate your own behavior. Could it be that same rules don't apply to everyone?

Are you done now?