VP8 has landed! Opera Labs build of 10.54 (21868) with WebM

VP8 has landed! Opera Labs build of 10.54 (21868) with WebM

Google has released VP8 and Opera has already implemented it!

Go and download it!!!
http://labs.opera.com/news/2010/05/19/

Tried it out on youtube, but you can't watch full screen, which is kind of a bummer.
Still, nice build!

Originally posted by Comwan:

but you can't watch full screen, which is kind of a bummer.

Not really surprising, as you could never do this with <video> in Opera. And I guess, there will have to be some big improvements (performance-wise) until adding this feature makes sense...

I can view in full screen vid...

total regression in Peacekeeper test. My test was up at 7000+ with opera 10.54 build 3390.
This build Opera 10.54 webM build 21868 drop my score down to 5000 mark.
hmm going back to the other build I'll wait longer for WebM

Originally posted by twoplanker:

I can view in full screen vid...

No. You are using the Flash version.

Originally posted by Comwan:

but you can't watch full screen, which is kind of a bummer

Your wish is my command

I created a small UserJS to get fullscreen support for <video>: http://post.ly/geTZ

Bug? I have to select the fonts two times to get them http://code.google.com/webfonts/preview

No I went over to the http://www.youtube.com/html5 site and joined and then browsed vids was able to see full screen
well maybe I wasnt looking at html5 vids

Originally posted by twoplanker:

No I went over to the http://www.youtube.com/html5 site and joined and then browsed vids was able to see full screen

That is because only some videos use <video>, few videos have yet to be transcoded to WebM. What you are seeing is videos using flash.

Originally posted by Hades32:

I created a small UserJS to get fullscreen support for

video lags and has choppy sounds. enabled html5 in youtube. am i missing something?

opera 10.50 xp sp3

Originally posted by rugas:

am i missing something?

Yup. WebM is only available in an Opera Labs test build - Youtube will just serve Flash as usual to the normal Opera 10.50

P.S. - Userscript to get the native controls on Youtube HTML5 videos: http://extendopera.org/userjs/content/youtube-html5-native-controls

Some youtube WebM videos look corrupted... Looks like the encoder skips frames... There's some problem with square region in the middle that updates later... You can't seek the video if it's not loaded completely... Moreover Side-by-side installation of this labs build has corrupted my main 10.54 installation, I had to remove labs build and reinstall 10.54 in "Repair" mode to fix it...

Originally posted by lucideer:

Yup. WebM is only available in an Opera Labs test build - Youtube will just serve Flash as usual to the normal Opera 10.50

i'm using the lab release. that link is a sample from their post.

I suppose I should sticky this thread ... however keep in mind this is not a Desktop Team snapshot - it is a Labs build - and as such may not be up to Desktop Team standards. I presume from comments that it isn't that far off, but you never know. Hopefully the team will have a new snapshot in a day or two based on this ... though I have to speculate that if the only Linux version available is for Ubuntu then we may not have other Linux/UNIX versions quite so quickly.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

keep in mind this is not a Desktop Team snapshot - it is a Labs build - and as such may not be up to Desktop Team standards.

Indeed, thanks for raising this.

Just to clarify, the "Ubuntu" label on the Linux builds reflects the fact that due to tight time scales we did not have time to test a full range of distros. It works in recent Ubuntu and I can confirm having tested it myself that it works in Archlinux. However there is an issue with less bleeding edge distros (e.g. Debian) . My advice would be to try it and see if it works for you.

Your best bet is to run it 'in place', i.e.

$ tar xf opera-10.54-21867-webm.i386.linux.tar.bz2
$ opera-10.54-21867-webm.i386.linux/opera &

If you really want to use your main profile (not at all recommended but it is your choice), change that last line to:

$ opera-10.54-21867-webm.i386.linux/opera -pd ~/.opera &

Alternatively, you can use the included install script to install it but we would then recommend that you install with a suffix to allow it to run alongside your main install.

I'm not getting it to work on Archlinux, neither with the PKGBUILD nor the standard download package. Do I need to install some other gstreamer plugins or something?

Edit: The example clip with the bee on the flower works, but youtube only says :"Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available."

Originally posted by ruario:

Edit: The example clip with the bee on the flower works, but youtube only says :"Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available."

It might be the video that you are looking at has not been transcoded to WebM, very few have so far.

@all: See also the Desktop Team and Choose Opera blog posts for further comments from users.

Here's an webm youtube film http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sFlBJ1Jk3w

Originally posted by grine:

Edit: The example clip with the bee on the flower works, but youtube only says :"Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available."

http://my.opera.com/polski/forums/findpost.pl?id=5563621

You should have glibc >= 2.11...

Originally posted by pieknusi:

You should have glibc >= 2.11...

He is running Archlinux, so assuming he has all the latest updates (very likely), he will have!

Originally posted by ruario:

Originally posted by pieknusi:

You should have glibc >= 2.11...

He is running Archlinux, so assuming he has all the latest updates (very likely), he will have!

From pacman:
core/glibc 2.11.1-3 [installed] (base)

So, I tried with the examples from the blog post, none of the youtube links work, but the flower/bee one looks great.

The Fancy Swap test works, but only after I have swapped once, then I can run any of them.

Custom Controls vids don't work, butI see the controls fine.

I have the following gstreamer packages installed atm:

extra/gstreamer0.10 0.10.29-1
GStreamer Multimedia Framework
extra/gstreamer0.10-base 0.10.29-1
GStreamer Multimedia Framework Base plugin
libraries
extra/gstreamer0.10-good 0.10.22-1
GStreamer Multimedia Framework Good plugin
libraries

Is there a debug flag or something I can try?

timeshifting in a YT video is ignored when 720p is activated

Fullscreen isn't supported on Youtube yet in the new codec.

Timeskipping fails.

Here WebM has the same issue as OGG videos - audio skips all the time. Kind of expected that, as both use Vorbis for audio.
Currently Flash beats both performance-wise.

Originally posted by RainyShadow:

Currently Flash beats both performance-wise.

I guess what you wanted to say was ”H-264 + AAC“.

Originally posted by XAntares:

Originally posted by RainyShadow:

Currently Flash beats both performance-wise.

I guess what you wanted to say was ”H-264 + AAC“.

No, actually. Performance depends highly on the decoder implementation.
So, unless i find another plugin usable to decode those formats on typical video sites, i said exactly what i wanted to say

You mention the Codec-Container-Combos ”WebM“ and ”OGG“ first, then go on to say (as quoted earlier), that Flash beats both.

Applying your clearification, you must mean the codec portions of the Flash-Player implementation (on some architecture) ”Flash“. But then we end up with a comparison of a codec implementation with a codec/container specification, then. Apples and Oranges?

Well... forget about compression formats and think only about plugins. My preffered order:
WMP (+ffdshow filter) > QuickTime > Flash player > Gstreamer

The VLC plugin would've been on top if it wasn't for its total lack of native player controls...

All oranges now?

Ok, I fixed my problem, I was missing gstreamer01.10-base-plugins package.

Maybe this should be added as a dependency (assuming I didn't miss it like a total noob).

As for the bad performance:

Originally posted by Philip Jägenstedt (WebM Implementor of Opera):

no, GStreamer is not to blame for our performance, the reason is that we are copying and blitting each frame in software, which is an enormous performance hit. We’ll solve this by using the 3D hardware in clever way.

Originally posted by grine:

Ok, I fixed my problem, I was missing gstreamer01.10-base-plugins package.

The Arch opera-labs-webm PKGBUILD has gstreamer0.10-good as a dependency which in turn depends on base. My first couple versions of that PKGBUILD were broken due to problems with the install script but the latest updates to the PKGBUILD should work.

If you are a Linux user you'll be pleased to see that more distros are now supported (actually older versions of glibc). If you tried running on linux before and it failed to work, then try downloading again. Read more here.

P.S. To ensure you have the required dependencies for supporting video read this.

Actually looks better in Mandriva 2010 than it did in XP, but possibly that is network-related (as in, the site may have been busier yesterday).

So the speed/memory issues are a temporary consequence of Opera's implementation? Would be nice if I'd seen this earlier. Does not solve the missing frames in the files on YouTube, or the (generally) larger filesizes that I am seeing. Sometimes the blurrier VP8 looks a little better, but the slightly blocky H.264 is more crisp for the average video. Also are the problems with audio another plugin timing issue, or just the usual vorbis recoding problem?

Given that VP8 was previewed two full years ago, I had really hoped that there would be more information to work with, and better optimization guidance. I will be tracking updates to the webm project site and Opera Labs very closely.

"Blitting" is so trivial, I doubt if your GPU will even notice. It's not #D in the sense of shading and other complex stuff, it's just copying data from one place to another.

Font Kerning problem on http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-semantics/

When will opera:config finally have working help?

Regression: Redraw bug:
http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/
Scroll to bottom == garbled text
go to end with END (or temporarily switch to another tab) == text is fine

Originally posted by Hades32:

Regression: Redraw bug:

http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/

Scroll to bottom == garbled text

go to end with END (or temporarily switch to another tab) == text is fine

Confirmed.

Originally posted by Hades32:

Regression: Redraw bug:

http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/

Scroll to bottom == garbled text

Confirmed.

Has someone still installed this labs build? I'd like to have the contents of the "C:\Program Files\Opera\gstreamer\plugins" folder to integrate WebM support into more current releases...

Is it only me or a lot of youtube videos look corrupted in WebM mode?.. Especially if there's a lot of fast movement in the frame...
I'm not sure rather it's a problem with encoder or decoder... I'm going to check it later... If it is encoder's fault, Google will have to fix it and then re-encode all videos... Awful...

UPD: Okay... Everything is fine... The bug is in the decoder... I've downloaded this video from cache as .webm and played it in Media Player Classic with latest codecs that support webm... The video looks fine... In Opera I get several corruptions in the Space scene (with a lot of moving asteroids, fast complex movements)
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcFcFAigWxI (Watch in 360p)
UPD2: 720p mode has some corrupted moments too...

Originally posted by Hades32:

Has someone still installed this labs build? I'd like to have the contents of the "C:\Program Files\Opera\gstreamer\plugins" folder to integrate WebM support into more current releases...

I have the content of that folder but copying that content didnt work to use WebM in the latest 10.54 snapshot. It seems that Windows is behind the Linux builds in that way. :/
I will try if it works in the 10.60 build and report it here.

Greetings , I just caught you post and thought that I would drop you a line . I have the files that you are looking for in a winzip file. A unnamed Developer slipped them to me under the table . You can get them from My OperaUnite toolbox when I am online . The file you will be looking for will be gstreamer_with_webm.rar I was told to unzip it into the gstreamer folder. I haven't done it yet because I am still beta testing the Standard Version of Opera.

You can get gstreamer with web M here

cheers!!

Originally posted by RomDos:

Greetings , I just caught you post and thought that I would drop you a line . I have the files that you are looking for in a winzip file. A unnamed Developer slipped them to me under the table . You can get them from My OperaUnite toolbox when I am online . The file you will be looking for will be gstreamer_with_webm.rar I was told to unzip it into the gstreamer folder. I haven't done it yet because I am still beta testing the Standard Version of Opera.

You can get gstreamer with web M here

cheers!!

It does not work with my or your files on a windows build (10.60 alpha).

@RomDos: Thanks!

Originally posted by Hades32:

@RomDos: Thanks!

Does it work for you?

Since there is a distinct lack of video when I go to YouTube HTML5-enabled pages these days, I'm guessing WebM didn't make it into 10.60 alpha 1.

Any idea how soon we can expect to see this in regular non-final builds?

Originally posted by MossMan:

Since there is a distinct lack of video when I go to YouTube HTML5-enabled pages these days, I'm guessing WebM didn't make it into 10.60 alpha 1.

Any idea how soon we can expect to see this in regular non-final builds?

Opera did answer this question as WIR .