[3394/6340/8358] Fonts, usability, widgets ... Oh my!

[3394/6340/8358] Fonts, usability, widgets ... Oh my!

"Here is a nice shiny new build. It is particularly interesting for our Linux and FreeBSD users in that it contains a several nice *nix fixes, including crash and freeze fixes, fixes that improve usability, fixes to widgets and three font bugs are fixed. (Yes, we know it hasn't fixed all the font issues yet! )

In addition we have fixed a cross platform issue with the reload menu and done some Windows widgets fixes.

Enjoy the build and the weekend!"

Details & Download Here:
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/05/21/fonts-usability-widgets-oh-my

JavaScript not working on buttons of post-edit page of this forum..
eg: quote button, image button.
Edit: i encountered this problem under Ubuntu Lucid Lynx.

Originally posted by hundredorzero:

JavaScript not working on buttons of post-edit page of this forum..

eg: quote button, image button.

Well, didn't try those ... the italics button works fine though. Sure you hadn't turned JS off?

No WebM included

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

Well, didn't try those ... the italics button works fine though. Sure you hadn't turned JS off?

JavaScript is working properly on other places. I confirmed that before posting the complaint above.
Though there's one thing i forgot to mention, that's "i encountered this problem under Ubuntu Lucid Lynx."

• Ctrl + click on an image to save it. Then change the name in the dialog window, but without typing an extension. That produces an extensionless file.
  http://s3.postimage.org/ayszr-e417a60e6fff01043f62031043c12ab7.png
  http://s3.postimage.org/ayxyJ-e417a60e6fff01043f62031043c12ab7.png
  Look at the shots. If I click 'Save' in the first case, everything is okay. But if go on the second way, I have to add the extension myself.
• A problem with some of the context menus - when I add an icon to a menu entry, it stops working.
  E.g. under [Speed Dial Thumbnail Popup Menu],
  

  Item, "Reload" = Reload thumbnail

  
  does work, but
  
  

  Item, "Reload" = Reload thumbnail,,,,"Reload"

  
  doesn't. Same for the rest of the entries under the same section. Can someone confirm?
• You all know how images are rendered in Opera - from top to bottom. Larger ones (e.g. wallpapers) seem to stop rendering sometimes at about 10%, other times at about 50. It continues the download (as seen from the progress bar), but the whole image is drawn only after it's fully loaded. This seems to happen both when I open an image in a separate tab and when I view it on a page (e.g. deviantArt).
• Some issues with autocomplete - sometimes I have to type 3-4 characters of a bookmark's name for it to show up - in such case, only the address would appear, but not the title. Another point - typing 'config', 'debug', 'cache' does not show Opera's 'internal' pages like I think it should.
• The search field does not remember its size. I can resize it, but when I close the current tab, it gets back to its default width. Seems to have something to do with panels - with them expanded, the search field shrinks, but closing the panels again resets its size.
• I sometimes happen to get 'Could not locate remote server' on a first load of a page. Hitting reload fixes it, but it's a bit annoying.

Hi,im vry vry new here,m8b at the wrong forum,bt plz help me out...im using samsung m8800 ,i dnt knw hw to do d protection settings to upload pix in this mob.plz be kind enough to help me out.thanx.

Originally posted by lucandox:

Hi,im vry vry new here,m8b at the wrong forum,bt plz help me out...im using samsung m8800 ,i dnt knw hw to do d protection settings to upload pix in this mob.plz be kind enough to help me out.thanx.

Welcome To Opera Forums.
But you should resort to some mobile forum in order to get help about your samsung mobile.

Having problems using Nationwide building society online banking states
'a problem has occurred; each time. Working ok otherwise, other browsers,

Version
10.52

Build
3337

what happened to the DSK283460?is it solved yet?i think not!
ok i'll check it out

Further to my post about Nationwide UK online banking, I didn't paste the URL - sorry. More time today.

Exact message, even when masked as Firefox and IE
'A problem has occurred trying to process your request. Please try again later.
We apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused.'

https://olb2.nationet.com/AppServices/SignOn/SignOnProcess/Default.aspx?ID=3c This is the page where you sign on, but there's a page before this where you choose sign on ie - http://www.nationwide.co.uk/default .

Also, from main page, it's possible to get an error message asking to please enable cookies, even if these are set to accept but also ask. This is intermittent, and possibly part of the larger cookies bug elsewhere.

Realise this needs customer id, passwords etc to test, but can't give these out of course! Rob

Linux: When using the wheel gesture (right-click plus mouse-wheel, "cycle without showing list" in prefs) to switch between tabs, it happens quite often now that opera opens a new tab. This has never been the case before, and now it happens about 1 in 10 times, maybe a bit less frequently.

Originally posted by robellett:

Having problems using Nationwide building society online banking states
'a problem has occurred; each time. Working ok otherwise, other browsers,

Version
10.52

Build
3337

First this is the Beta section, only for the alphas, betas and snapshots.

Second: why don't you update to 10.53?

this problem still exists

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=575331

Originally posted by The-Remcotje:

Originally posted by robellett:

Having problems using Nationwide building society online banking states
'a problem has occurred; each time. Working ok otherwise, other browsers,

Version
10.52

Build
3337

First this is the Beta section, only for the alphas, betas and snapshots.

Second: why don't you update to 10.53?

Thanks for pointing that out. I have severe mental disability - I no longer have a full working brain, to be explicit about it, and struggle with organisation - I think what happened is that I've now gotten several Opera installations that I've gotten one mixed up - the one I used this morning - in a rush for an appointment - and I just posted what opera help showed from that version - not noticing, though this related to a problem note i entered yesterday, but forgot to add the URL to the site, which I did in my post that you objected to.

I have been using later versions, ie 10.54 - I always use the test versions and can't recall the time I last used a stable release, and I had intended to be using the latest beta/alpha - oversight this morning meant that I made a mistake. I hope that answers your question as to why I raised that post. I've been using Opera for almost 10 years, since it was a paid for browser and love it as my absolute browser of choice, and am committed to helping it improve. I made a mistake and I'm sorry.

Edit - I'm actually using Version 10.54 3394 and getting that error with the Nationwide UK site, ie
A problem has occurred trying to process your request. Please try again later.
We apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused.' https://olb2.nationet.com/AppServices/SignOn/SignOnProcess/Default.aspx?ID=37

Working ok with FF. Thanks, Rob

Well I just used the same version to load the log in page from your link works ok for me . but since I am not a customer there I can't test the log in . I am a old time Opera user from the paid Opera days. didn't know that their was any of us still around.lol one hint though if you used the msi installer try running it again in the repair mode. also empty the cache before trying another log in . if that does not work you may need to do a clean install good luck hope it works out for you

I always keep the last stable as a back up and put the betas in a different dir

cheers!!

Originally posted by RomDos:

I am a old time Opera user from the paid Opera days. didn't know that their was any of us still around.lol

YUP I go back to 3.21 - couldn't stand the pathetic attempts of Netscape and IE to win at all costs.

But we digress.

Banks and just about all financial institutions are notorious for causing problems with Opera. I know because I am having a running battle with my Credit Union that ACTIVELY discriminates against Opera. Fortunately it is an annoyance thing (error message) but the source code clearly only allows IE and NN (it is 1990's javascript, BTW)
I can access with IE, Firefox (which uses the Netscape Navigator engine and for all intents and purposes is NN) and Safari. Opera is the only browser that has the error message shown.




So it may NOT be Opera, Robellet, it is probably your bank playing silly buggers with Opera.

Originally posted by glue2u2:

Originally posted by RomDos:

I am a old time Opera user from the paid Opera days. didn't know that their was any of us still around.lol

YUP I go back to 3.21 - couldn't stand the pathetic attempts of Netscape and IE to win at all costs.

But we digress.

Banks and just about all financial institutions are notorious for causing problems with Opera. I know because I am having a running battle with my Credit Union that ACTIVELY discriminates against Opera. Fortunately it is an annoyance thing (error message) but the source code clearly only allows IE and NN (it is 1990's javascript, BTW)
I can access with IE, Firefox (which uses the Netscape Navigator engine and for all intents and purposes is NN) and Safari. Opera is the only browser that has the error message shown.




So it may NOT be Opera, Robellet, it is probably your bank playing silly buggers with Opera.

If a site doesn't work well with opera, it's site's fault most of the times.
Ask your bank to hire some REAL web-designers who could adhere with standards.

Thank you RomDos. glue2u2 and hundredorzero.

I really appreciate your giving of some thought to this, and it's made a little harder as banks and many organisations won't touch queries which relate to alpha/beta browser versions. So the browser support forum is usually a great first place to stop by for ideas etc. Really tired here, after a very long day - I'll take another look tomorrow. The great thing about the bank is that it;s not for profilt, not that that's any reason to not have appropriately built sites - if it is their site at fault.

Great to see some other old timers around!!

The worse problem for me is the near constant crashing that I get each time I edit one of my own answers on Yahoo Answers. I'm fairly sure I logged this on the desktop team blog a few days ago, so not re-reporting, but didn't raise a bug report.

Thanks again, Rob

Originally posted by robellett:

Thank you RomDos. glue2u2 and hundredorzero.

I really appreciate your giving of some thought to this, and it's made a little harder as banks and many organisations won't touch queries which relate to alpha/beta browser versions. So the browser support forum is usually a great first place to stop by for ideas etc. Really tired here, after a very long day - I'll take another look tomorrow. The great thing about the bank is that it;s not for profilt, not that that's any reason to not have appropriately built sites - if it is their site at fault.

Great to see some other old timers around!!

The worse problem for me is the near constant crashing that I get each time I edit one of my own answers on Yahoo Answers. I'm fairly sure I logged this on the desktop team blog a few days ago, so not re-reporting, but didn't raise a bug report.

Thanks again, Rob

i think you should try stable version of opera for the site that's not working properly with alpha or beta versions.
i am also a old timer from paid days. But i never paid although i wanted to. Only the procedure of payment kept me from buying my favorite browser. So i had to either bear the ad-banner or get serial from some cracks website. Even with the presence of ad-banner, I must admit opera out-performed rest of the browsers. It was far easier to bear the ad-banner than to bear other browsers.
I still want to pay for opera if there's some easy payment method. paypal is not available here and i don't have a credit card.

Originally posted by hundredorzero:

If a site doesn't work well with opera, it's site's fault most of the times.

Ask your bank to hire some REAL web-designers who could adhere with standards.

... again - off topic - but ...
There lies the problem. They simply say that is the financial institution's standards (design for IEx and Netscape Navigator aka Firefox).
I have in writing from the Chairman of the Board that they will NOT endeavour to support other browsers. They don't care.
Otherwise I totally agree with you - get some developers that aren't living in the 1990's, get some development tools newer than Visual Studio 6.0
(which was released in June 1998, is, surprise, surprise, IEx specific and is the last version to run on the Windows 9x platform) and use W3C's validator. What we're actually talking about here is Opera's "Open the Web" initiative.

Re returning to last stable version: I also agree - pre-release versions are often buggy, and you shouldn't be relying on them for mission critical operations, especially with stick-in-the-mud organisations like banks.

Originally posted by glue2u2:

Originally posted by hundredorzero:

If a site doesn't work well with opera, it's site's fault most of the times.

Ask your bank to hire some REAL web-designers who could adhere with standards.

... again - off topic - but ...
There lies the problem. They simply say that is the financial institution's standards (design for IEx and Netscape Navigator aka Firefox).
I have in writing from the Chairman of the Board that they will NOT endeavour to support other browsers. They don't care.
Otherwise I totally agree with you - get some developers that aren't living in the 1990's, get some development tools newer than Visual Studio 6.0
(which was released in June 1998, is, surprise, surprise, IEx specific and is the last version to run on the Windows 9x platform) and use W3C's validator. What we're actually talking about here is Opera's "Open the Web" initiative.

Re returning to last stable version: I also agree - pre-release versions are often buggy, and you shouldn't be relying on them for mission critical operations, especially with stick-in-the-mud organisations like banks.

I think they shouldn't decide what browser they will support and what browser they will not. It's a matter of standards. Any website that complies with standards will work on any browser that also complies with standards.
when i first designed my personal website it was giving different results on different browsers. but when i followed the standards and validated it, it started to work perfectly on all major browsers.

no new snapshots for while.

Does http://www.gamefly.com/ ever stop loading for you guys?

Originally posted by Squirt:

Does http://www.gamefly.com/ ever stop loading for you guys?

can't confirm about this latest snapshot.
but it stops after loading, and works perfectly on latest stable build. 10.53 Build 3374

I just checked the site that you posted with 10.54.3394 the latest stable build and it works perfectly no problems here>

Originally posted by hundredorzero:

no new snapshots for while

They are working on some stuff, they were hoping to have something for you today (Monday), but it may not be ready yet - we'll just have to wait and see.

Originally posted by pstrub-work:

Linux: When using the wheel gesture (right-click plus mouse-wheel, "cycle without showing list" in prefs) to switch between tabs, it happens quite often now that opera opens a new tab.

Lots of issues with mouse gestures here on XP as well.

About every fourth gesture goes completely wrong, most of the time it opens a new tab instead of closing the current one (gesturedown, gestureright).

Maybe this has to do with the overall not so great UI responsiveness?
So Opera "forgets" the second part of the gesture and only executes the first part (gesturedown) which opens the new tab.

Mouse gesture issues increased by such a high factor since 10.5x using the same settings (e.g. threashold), mouse (well, and fingers ) so it can hardly be a coincidence or bad luck...

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

They are working on some stuff, they were hoping to have something for you today (Monday), but it may not be ready yet - we'll just have to wait and see.

Well, today is still young here in europe, so there's still a chance for a new build