Have we forgotten the Mormons?

Have we forgotten the Mormons?

When quoting the 'Abrahamic' religions, there seem to be an error of omitting one. While Judaism, Christianity and Islam are mentioned; Church of Christ of latter day saints who use the book of Mormon as their bible is put aside.

Founded in America by prophet J. Smith, an angel showed him the scriptures and the two stones which are mentioned in the OT. There is some link between this religion and Judaism. Some similarities here's few:
>both jews and mormons share some history; the book being written by descendant of Abraham.
>both christians and mormons share the view on christ; He rose from the dead
>both muslim and mormons don't drink wine (and maybe don't eat pork)

Read the book, tell me your view

They're Christians.

They're nuttier than squirrel poo.

Baptising the dead? Remember that?

It's utterly meaningless and offensive to the surviving relatives.

Originally posted by Ward:

They're nuttier than squirrel poo.

Baptising the dead? Remember that?

No, I don't remember that, having never heard of it, but we're talking religion...you know, walking on water, healing the lame, multiplying loaves and fishes, to mention a few. Why single out baptizing the dead?

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by Ward:

They're nuttier than squirrel poo.

Baptising the dead? Remember that?

No, I don't remember that, having never heard of it, but we're talking religion...you know, walking on water, healing the lame, multiplying loaves and fishes, to mention a few. Why single out baptizing the dead?

That story about their book is ludicrous even by biblical standards and it makes Aleister Crowley and his Book of Law look downright sane. Just read it and try not to face palm.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by Ward:

They're nuttier than squirrel poo.

Baptising the dead? Remember that?

No, I don't remember that, having never heard of it, but we're talking religion...you know, walking on water, healing the lame, multiplying loaves and fishes, to mention a few. Why single out baptizing the dead?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,449727,00.html

Do we have to regard the book of mormon as a holy book? Or are they part of the Abrahamic religions?

I would like to be able to sift the nuttiest from the religious bin of absurdities, but can't. The closing sentence of the Fox piece is a gem, though. Given that the Pope can't seriously consider the efficacy or meaningfulness of Mormon baptism, why even give it the time of day? Good grief, would anybody take me seriously if I claimed to affix the Shield of Sheol on all dead Catholics, if only in my mind? Hell, I don't even need names.

It truly boggles my mind.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

It truly boggles my mind.

Won't even drink coffee. I hope they are wrong or I am on a road straight to hell. I left you a line Jaybo.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Or are they part of the Abrahamic religions?

I would call it a cult, like scientology.

Are they? Nick answer the question!

Yes or No! Nick.

For a good summary of my thoughts on Mormons, watch the part of this video about Mormons.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Have we forgotten the Mormons?

I wish. They come knocking at my door every few months. Mormons and JWs....

Originally posted by Denny77:

Won't even drink coffee. I hope they are wrong or I am on a road straight to hell. I left you a line Jaybo.

Don't wait for me to consign you to a place that isn't. Of all the many things I don't know, that isn't one of them.

Originally posted by parkerjm:

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Have we forgotten the Mormons?

I wish. They come knocking at my door every few months. Mormons and JWs....

Years ago one (a JW if memory serves) came to my door...sporting an expensive coat. He asked me if I knew that Satan was in my sub-division. I replied, "Yes, and he's wearing a camel hair topcoat." He left without a word. I was so very proud of myself that day.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

I knew that Satan was in my sub-division

I would have said "Yes, I'm h.i.m*"



*His Infernal Majesty

I really hope Satan can do better than a subdivision.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

For a good summary of my thoughts on Mormons, watch the part of this video about Mormons.
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You keep denying yourself admit it man ,your totaly utterly obsessed with Yarweh and Islam .

For the benefit of more recent posters such as Thabotizz this subject has been aired like most already. Anyway the whole Mormon thing is so ludicrous. Even the races they claim existed all those times ago have no verification whatsover. It is a parody of religion and bonkers is too lenient a term.

Originally posted by parkerjm:

They come knocking at my door every few months. Mormons and JWs....

Thank the IPU I only have to put up with JWs.

You know i get J W at my door i get Mormons jumping out from street corners ,i then get religious athiests spewing rubbish on my city square but i never get a muslim bother me .I got a orthodox jew one month he said i needed less make up on my eyes god iam so handsome or pretty at the moment i feel i am bio cause i am got so many genders here .

Oh how pathetic can you get? You may not get the Muslims at your door but they constantly appear on our screens screaming about something or with placards full of hate. Just as bad I reckon even allowing for your apologetic attitude?

If all these religions are so great, why do they go around marketing their God? I say if your religion is truly a just path, people will seek IT, not the other way around.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You may not get the Muslims at your door but they constantly appear on our screens screaming about something or with placards full of hate.

You mean resentment of the "no holds barred" way of Western life, right?
I don't think "hate" is exactly the right word to use.

Still, at least they don't try to dress stuff up "modern (ly)" to hide what is in their detestable holy book.
Gotta give credit to the Jews and Muslims, at least they willingly admit they would rather live in the 1200's than in the modern world.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by parkerjm:

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Have we forgotten the Mormons?

I wish. They come knocking at my door every few months. Mormons and JWs....

Years ago one (a JW if memory serves) came to my door...sporting an expensive coat. He asked me if I knew that Satan was in my sub-division. I replied, "Yes, and he's wearing a camel hair topcoat." He left without a word. I was so very proud of myself that day.

A J.W. actually put his foot in the door when I gently closed it in his face. I stamped on it*. Not gently.
My mother used to baffle them no end by asking them in with the promise of a cup of tea, "as long as you don't talk about religion".


* the foot, not the face.

Originally posted by starree:

If all these religions are so great, why do they go around marketing their God?

That's a damn good question.

Originally posted by starree:

I say if your religion is truly a just path, people will seek IT, not the other way around.

Well, you've got to make sure they choose your church to pay their tithes and not any of those goddamn heretics across the street. People are stupid, they don't know that you're the only one who got everything right
Yes it still freaks me out that the average american town has more churches than pubs. By a huge margin.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Yes it still freaks me out that the average american town has more churches than pubs. By a huge margin.

They're weird pubs, too.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

They're weird pubs, too.

The bad think is, some have the nerve to call themselves pubs, bu don't have a tap!

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

The bad think is, some have the nerve to call themselves pubs, bu don't have a tap!

Is that supposed to be some kind of Manchester accent?

Anyhoo, a pub without beer on draft? Seriously?

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Is that supposed to be some kind of Manchester accent?

No

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Anyhoo, a pub without beer on draft? Seriously?

Yes, I'm being very serious.
Not only that, but the people that worked at a so-called pub some friends and I went to had the nerve to come and take a table we were sitting at, so as to make room for some damn singer. It was a small bar on the corner of the square, but still, any so-called pub in the US must have these in order to rightfully be called a pub in my personal opinion (owing to the lack of truly excellent 's :

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Is that supposed to be some kind of Manchester accent?

No

Well don't keep me in suspense! What is it?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Yes, I'm being very serious.

Not only that, but the people that worked at a so-called pub some friends and I went to had the nerve to come and take a table we were sitting at, so as to make room for some damn singer. It was a small bar on the corner of the square, but still, any so-called pub in the US must have these in order to rightfully be called a pub in my personal opinion (owing to the lack of truly excellent 's :

But even cycling bars have beer on draft!

I agree, we need more pubs here than churches by far.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Yes it still freaks me out that the average american town has more churches than pubs. By a huge margin.

They're weird pubs, too.

Yeah, I meant actual pubs, not those ... things

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Well don't keep me in suspense! What is it?

A Brummie accent.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

But even cycling bars have beer on draft!

Holy hell.....
(I can only hope that this state will make it into the 20th century. Such excellent ideas as cycling bars are out of the question until the baby boomers kick the bucket. * along with their archaic belief systems. )

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

A Brummie accent.

Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham... they share some similarities (especially with a written non-IPA representation like that )

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Holy hell.....

(I can only hope that this state will make it into the 20th century. Such excellent ideas as cycling bars are out of the question until the baby boomers kick the bucket. * along with their archaic belief systems. )

It's apparently a development from the '90s, but they're all over these days.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Yes it still freaks me out that the average american town has more churches than pubs. By a huge margin.

In the good old days, admittedly long gone, there were towns here in the Czech Republic with more pubs than houses. Well strictly speaking hospodas/Gasthauses, but functionally similar. Long before taps were invented though.

Is it normal? I mean, to have more pubs than houses? Any way I like the idea think I know where I'll be heading after the world cup!

Doesn't that imply that the pubs are houses to some (or many)?

a gasthaus is a "restaurant" with the possibility to stay for a night or two. which basically means, those towns had more tourists than residents ... i guess.

Yes, Gasthaus would be a hostinec, or an inn in English, so to be more exact there were more pubs and inns (drinking establishments with or without board) than houses, the trick of course that some houses housed more than one.

Yes, Gasthaus would be a hostinec, or an inn in English, so to be more exact there were more pubs and inns (drinking establishments with or without board) than houses, the trick of course that some houses housed more than one. Yes, these could be mining or trade towns with transient labour.

Does mormons fall under the Abrahamic religion too.

Back to the Pub thing. I can't remember which US actor said that he had to move back to the states because being in Britain is like being in one big pub. He had a drink problem. You only have to walk down the road here in a straight line here and you're in a pub. And it could very well be shithole depending where you are. (I suppose thats like everywhere though). The game Russian Roulette springs to mind.

However as a nation of complete and utter drunks we now consume a lot of alcohol at home. I challenge any foreigner to come up with a drink that challenges Frosty Jacks. At around £3.60 (about $5.20), and alcohol volume at 7.5%, for 3 litres, its a drink thats guaranteed to get you wankered at a budget price. It doesn't taste that bad either. Its modelled by tramps, layabouts and myself, but with a price like that, who cares if you wake up in a police cell, covered in someone elses vomit? Cheers


Gow on my san, ged it daan ya....

Oh yeah the mormons. Er..pass.

Actually no I have not, I don't mention it because......ugh....The Book of Mormon is very mythical. -_-

They get pathetic after a while, when they are trying to convert a christian thats not so easily persuaed.

Ugh.....I hate to bring this up, but its the truth.

Originally posted by RekaG:

I don't mention it because......ugh....The Book of Mormon is very mythical. -_-

*chuckles*

Originally posted by RekaG:

They get pathetic after a while, when they are trying to convert a christian thats not so easily persuaed.



Ugh.....I hate to bring this up, but its the truth.

I see, so some stoned hippy in the 1840's saying that he dug stone tablets from the ground and creating a cult is "mythical" while a massive cult that believes in burning bushes, babies just popping into women's wombs, and believing that two of every animal got onto a boat with a family who had to repopulate the world via incest is not "mythical" ? Right.

Originally posted by RekaG:

Actually no I have not, I don't mention it because......ugh....The Book of Mormon is very mythical. -_-

If by 'mythical' you mean 'made up and written down by some crackhead who claims the voices in his head are gods & angels'. Seems to be a recurring theme.

Originally posted by RekaG:

They get pathetic after a while, when they are trying to convert a christian thats not so easily persuaed.

I don't see how any halfway sane human being with a brain would join their cult. A golden book that no one's ever seen and which got 'translated' into a load of fake hebrew? American indians as lost tribes of israel? Seriously, that's so retarded it's not even funny.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Seriously, that's so retarded it's not even funny.

i actually had to laugh watching southpark episode about this mor(m)ons

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by RekaG:

Actually no I have not, I don't mention it because......ugh....The Book of Mormon is very mythical. -_-

If by 'mythical' you mean 'made up and written down by some crackhead who claims the voices in his head are gods & angels'. Seems to be a recurring theme.

Originally posted by RekaG:

They get pathetic after a while, when they are trying to convert a christian thats not so easily persuaed.

I don't see how any halfway sane human being with a brain would join their cult. A golden book that no one's ever seen and which got 'translated' into a load of fake hebrew? American indians as lost tribes of israel? Seriously, that's so retarded it's not even funny.

The mormon religion has nothing to do with christianity, they believe that you can make spirit babies just by the husband speaking "the wife's true name?", they also believe in a curse that was brought on by to brothers and the don't believe Genesis actually happened the way the actually Bible says it did.

Originally posted by RekaG:

and the don't believe Genesis actually happened the way the actually Bible says it did.

Horrors...... and they believe that they inherit their own planet when they die.
(Thus it makes sense that mormanism should be lumped together with christianity. Both are full-fledged bulls***. )

(No response to my reply to you? )

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by RekaG:

and the don't believe Genesis actually happened the way the actually Bible says it did.

Horrors...... and they believe that they inherit their own planet when they die.
(Thus it makes sense that mormanism should be lumped together with christianity. Both are full-fledged bulls***. )

(No response to my reply to you? )

No, it doesn't make sense, why would people go so far to corrupt God's word. When the Bible actually warns all about adding to and taking from it.

(Thats why I've actually said: "Read the oldest King James version you can find".)

I do believe its possible for a Mormon to make it to heaven and they can speak the truth....One of the most truthful people in the world that happens to be a Mormon is on Fox News in America.

@RekaG: why you consider the one fairytale to be more sane and true as than the other is beyond me. i suppose, it's because you consider the bible to be the actual word of Yahweh, while the book of mormons is just a collection of nonsense written by men.

Originally posted by NoobSaibot:

@RekaG: why you consider the one fairytale to be more sane and true as the other is beyond me. i suppose, it's because you consider the bible to be the actual word of Yahweh, while the book of mormons is just a collection of nonsense written by men.

The Book of Mormon was obviously written by some guy who tried to imitate the style of the KJB. Maybe they can somehow pick up on that despite flaws in other critical reading skills?

Originally posted by RekaG:

No, it doesn't make sense, why would people go so far to corrupt God's word. When the Bible actually warns all about adding to and taking from it.

(Thats why I've actually said: "Read the oldest King James version you can find".)

Why do you think an older translation is somehow more trustworthy than a more modern translation just by being older? Not to mention that we've got better sources available now, seeing how at the time it was all translated from other translations and now we've got more original or less translated texts.

If early seventeenth century English was good enough for Jesus, it is good enough for me.

Jesus didn't even speak an Indo-European language.

Next you'll be telling me that all that thee-ing and thou-ing and inasmuch-ing is not the inerrant word of God.

How darest thou speaketh thy tongue lyke that!

Originally posted by RekaG:

(Thats why I've actually said: "Read the oldest King James version you can find".)

Why the king james version? It's neither the oldest nor the most accurate english language translation.
( ok, depends how you define 'accuracy' in this context. Glossing over inconsistencies isn't accurate as far as I'm concerned. And for obvious reasons it only used sources available at its time of writing. )

Originally posted by RekaG:

One of the most truthful people in the world that happens to be a Mormon is on Fox News in America.

Please tell me you're not talking about Glenn Beck. Please.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

How darest thou speaketh thy tongue lyke that!

Get thine arse off my lawn, young whippersnapper

Quite bemused right now. Just walked back from my local shops round the corner and got button-holed by 3 very smart (as the norm complete with name tabs) Mormons. The usual clever stuff of course but they got direct but polite short shrift.

They also beleive in Mohamed and that he was inspired by Allah (god) as dawg puts it Yawehallahmon

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

How darest thou speaketh thy tongue lyke that!

Get thine arse off my lawn, young whippersnapper

Mine arse art none of thoust concern.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

The Book of Mormon was obviously written by some guy who tried to imitate the style of the KJB.

Yet old John had one sizable advantage over the biblical writers: John had better drugs to take.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Please tell me you're not talking about Glenn Beck. Please.

I think he/she is.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

as dawg puts it Yawehallahmon

Incorrect ,my good clown. I called him Eloyahllah.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

How darest thou speaketh thy tongue lyke that!

Get thine arse off my lawn, young whippersnapper

Mine arse art none of thoust concern.

Thine grammar sucketh arse

If as according to the fellow traveller juggalo that Mohamed was inspired by God then he wandered off pitch somewhat. The 3 Mormons surprised me by body swerving my challenge of the nonsense of the two tribes that fought tin the Americas eons ago. They had the nerve to try and use Jesus Christ but I determinedly told them they were like the Pope's lot in taking Christianity and adding to it because it was too simple and straightforward a message - that I was a staunch Protestant and Glasgow Presbyterian and they could take it or leave it before waling on.

I know they have a reputation for being very sophisticated and exceptionally well trained in their propaganda like the men from the Watchtower lot however it doesn't put me off having a bit of a polite but direct ding-dong. They don't get far here anyway as we are a tough lot to deal with.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by NoobSaibot:

@RekaG: why you consider the one fairytale to be more sane and true as the other is beyond me. i suppose, it's because you consider the bible to be the actual word of Yahweh, while the book of mormons is just a collection of nonsense written by men.

The Book of Mormon was obviously written by some guy who tried to imitate the style of the KJB. Maybe they can somehow pick up on that despite flaws in other critical reading skills?

Originally posted by RekaG:

No, it doesn't make sense, why would people go so far to corrupt God's word. When the Bible actually warns all about adding to and taking from it.

(Thats why I've actually said: "Read the oldest King James version you can find".)

Why do you think an older translation is somehow more trustworthy than a more modern translation just by being older? Not to mention that we've got better sources available now, seeing how at the time it was all translated from other translations and now we've got more original or less translated texts.

I've read quite a bit about what they have done to the modern "translation", Thats a lot of watering down and *snip*snip* *cut*cut*.

I've sat in a Pentecostal Church with a NKJV before that preached from NIV, I would once in a while come across a verse or two that did not say the same and I normally understood The Bible perfectly....KJV is the oldest I know and there was a confirmation that its the better common translation.(God surprises people sometimes, I didn't even ask or tell the Pastor, perhaps it was not just me that wanted to know and no he does not know I have a MyOpera.)

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

The Book of Mormon was obviously written by some guy who tried to imitate the style of the KJB.

Yet old John had one sizable advantage over the biblical writers: John had better drugs to take.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Please tell me you're not talking about Glenn Beck. Please.

I think he/she is.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

as dawg puts it Yawehallahmon

Incorrect ,my good clown. I called him Eloyahllah.

i made knew one up with moron in it .

Originally posted by rjhowie:

If as according to the fellow traveller juggalo that Mohamed was inspired by God then he wandered off pitch somewhat. The 3 Mormons surprised me by body swerving my challenge of the nonsense of the two tribes that fought tin the Americas eons ago. They had the nerve to try and use Jesus Christ but I determinedly told them they were like the Pope's lot in taking Christianity and adding to it because it was too simple and straightforward a message - that I was a staunch Protestant and Glasgow Presbyterian and they could take it or leave it before waling on.

I know they have a reputation for being very sophisticated and exceptionally well trained in their propaganda like the men from the Watchtower lot however it doesn't put me off having a bit of a polite but direct ding-dong. They don't get far here anyway as we are a tough lot to deal with.

load of rubbish as usual mohamed was cool

Whats wrong with Glenn Beck?....Is it because he's a conservative?

Originally posted by RekaG:

Whats wrong with Glenn Beck?....Is it because he's a conservative?

Yeah... that's the problem... that he's conservative... nothing else...

holy hell

Originally posted by RekaG:

Whats wrong with Glenn Beck?....Is it because he's a conservative?

I think most actual conservatives would be ashamed to belong to the same species as that raving lunatic.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by RekaG:

Whats wrong with Glenn Beck?....Is it because he's a conservative?

I think most actual conservatives would be ashamed to belong to the same species as that raving lunatic.

I don't claim to be Liberal or Concervertive, to me all that nonsense is in the same category as Red V.S. Blue, Edward V.S. Whoever(Twilight Saga :bleh: ), Edward Elric V.S. Colonel Mustang, Vic Mignogna V.S. Travis Willingham(Fullmetal Alchemist and the actors who play the most popular characters, I like this one better and fun)

I found out, there is no way of being straight Conservative or Liberal. Also I've Democrats,Republicans, Consevatives and Liberals, act really badly, looking like rabid fangirls and boy to a certain extent.

Originally posted by OnetimePoster:

If early seventeenth century English was good enough for Jesus, it is good enough for me.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Jesus didn't even speak an Indo-European language.

Joe Smith had the Welsh knack for spinning a good tale. At the time he felt immune because biblical archeology was limited in his day. Not one of Joe Smiths civilizations have ever been verified by archeology.