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25. May 2010, 19:55:30

desic

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Full MathML Implementation

At present Opera is the second best browser for MathML (after Firefox) but it only supports it through CSS profile which, if you've tired it, is not really very good.

As a physicist I'm really looking forward to more universal MathML support and now that it has been included within the HTML 5 spec this is looking more and more likely.

In my opinion Opera leads other browsers in SVG support and it would be nice to see a proper implementation of MathML too!
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29. May 2010, 09:59:22

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+1
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30. May 2010, 21:21:34

Negi

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+1, speaking as a Mathematician.

31. May 2010, 07:17:52

QuHno

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+1

... not only physicist and mathematicians need to use high mathematics bigsmile
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31. May 2010, 17:45:27

Islys

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I support this. The days of "typewriter math representation" are almost faded as it is right now.

2. June 2010, 01:37:32 (edited)

Negi

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Old school commutative diagram:
  W ------> X
 /|        /|
A ------> B |
| V       | V
| Y ------|>Z          
V /       V /
C ------> D

This is the technology we've had to work with. Please, Opera, support MathML.

1. June 2010, 11:09:28

QuHno

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OT:

Originally posted by Negi:

This is the technology we've had to work with. Please, Opera, support MathML.


C'm' on, Opera can do HTML entities wink
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1. June 2010, 23:32:00

Negi

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I challenge you to draw a commutative diagram using those (notice that it's indeed very difficult if you do not use a monospaced font).

Anyway, the point is that opera's support for math and science is _woefully inadequate_.

2. June 2010, 00:45:26

MaineMoxie

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Yes, PLEASE improve MathML support in Opera. I used to use Flock but it was too buggy. I really like Opera but I do a lot of math-related things.

Most notably, there are several Opera users who are fairly involved with the nLab project. The goal is for the nLab to become one of the premier mathematics and physics-related sites on the web. But it is heavily mathematical as it is devoted to category theory and related topics. Thus it would be nice to have all browsers be fully functional with the site. As it is, I have to open Flock to check my edits of the nLab. I like Opera enough that I put up with the hassle for now. But it would be nice not to have to do that.

2. June 2010, 14:42:29

QuHno

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Originally posted by Negi:

I challenge you (...)

Challenge refused bigsmile
It was just an Off Topic comment and meant as a joke - Sorry, Could Not Resist spock
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4. June 2010, 07:25:31

desic

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Glad to see some other people need this too, it sometimes feels like a neglected language.
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4. June 2010, 19:43:19

Negi

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Well, MathML was a poorly designed language. I'll grant that. However, the math/physics communities have developed methods to easily convert LaTeX, the publishing standard for these subjects, into MathML. This means that the earlier arguments for not supporting MathML no longer hold. Opera supports XML even though no sane person writes raw XML.

7. June 2010, 23:01:59

bachhoakhai

Posts: 51

Is there any script or way for opera to view the page that has LaTeX code? Something convert LaTeX to mathML before Opera shows it in page?

8. June 2010, 18:36:28

desic

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I haven't read it all but there must be something suitable in this list: http://www.w3.org/Math/Software/mathml_software_cat_converters.html
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9. June 2010, 13:38:58

Negi

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jsMath is software that you can install through your userJS and enable it. It displays math locally as images or as SVG generated from fonts that you have to download. The successor to jsMath, called MathJax outputs either similarly to jsMath or can output MathML. Opera has said before that they don't want the internet to work like a giant PDF (cf. the whole issue with XSLT from way back when). If that is the truth, then Opera should support MathML natively instead of having to run a computationally heavy script like jsMath or MathJax that modifies the page after it renders.

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