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27. May 2010, 14:49:52

pieRr0Ur

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This forum should be renamed or not?

There still maybe some Solaris Users which use Opera by now I guess.

Should this forum be renamed . . . Opera for UNIX - Linux and FreeBSD . . or not for Solaris users have a remembrance that they were loved - and still loved?

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    27. May 2010, 15:51:50

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    ruario

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    The latest stable version of Opera *nix is still 10.10 for which there is a Solaris version. I think it is a little early to consider renaming the forum don't you?

    28. May 2010, 01:36:23

    pieRr0Ur

    An Opera Software fan

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    Originally posted by ruario:

    The latest stable version of Opera *nix is still 10.10 for which there is a Solaris version.



    How sweeeeet!! bigsmile

    But when 10.5 comes out, will there be still official support for Solaris?
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    28. May 2010, 06:11:11

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    ruario

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    Sadly no, once Evenes is released for Linux and FreeBSD, bugs reported to our bug wizard for the Solaris platform will be considered invalid. However, Solaris users who choose to continue to use 10.10 can of course come here for unofficial support.

    Perhaps one day we will rename these forums but there is no particular rush right now.

    2. June 2010, 16:09:17

    Veerappan

    Posts: 8

    On a related note, would it make sense to change the main Opera page logic?

    Currently, when I go to www.opera.com, it says:

    Download Opera
    version 10.10 for Solaris
    (Opera 10.60 available shortly)

    It might make sense to remove the "10.60 available shortly" bit, so as to not get people's hopes up about future Solaris support.

    2. June 2010, 16:51:22

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    ruario

    Posts: 980

    @veerappan: Yep it is a good point and something that I noticed by coincidence yesterday. I did report it to our relevant team but checking again now:

    $ curl -sAsunos http://www.opera.com | grep Solaris | head -n 1
          	<p class="download"><a href="/browser/download/">Download Opera <span>version 10.10 for Solaris</span><span class="nopad">(Opera 10.60 available shortly)</span></a></p>

    it looks like I'll need to chase them. Thanks for the reminder.

    2. June 2010, 16:56:52

    Frenzie

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    You are making me think that I should look into curl for more than just some minor usage in PHP, although on the other hand just browsing to http://opera.com isn't exactly a daunting task.
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    3. June 2010, 10:57:45 (edited)

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    ruario

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    Originally posted by Frenzie:

    although on the other hand just browsing to http://opera.com isn't exactly a daunting task.

    True but unless you are running Solaris or modified the user agent string in your browser to say you are running Solaris (not straight forward without a proxy if you use Opera) you wouldn't see the problem. The cURL line was just in case anyone wanted to check the current state (which is still wrong by the way). I used -A to set my user agent to sunos. Strictly speaking I should have said:

    $ curl -sA "Opera/9.80 (X11; SunOS i86pc; U; en-GB) Presto/2.2.15 Version/10.10" http://www.opera.com | grep Solaris | head -n 1
          	<p class="download"><a href="/browser/download/">Download Opera <span>version 10.10 for Solaris</span><span class="nopad">(Opera 10.60 available shortly)</span></a></p>

    but I already know that we are only looking for the SunOS part, so this seemed like an overkill.

    3. June 2010, 11:00:41

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    ruario

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    P.S. You could easily do the same with Wget if you don't have cURL:

    $ wget -qO- --user-agent="Opera/9.80 (X11; SunOS i86pc; U; en-GB) Presto/2.2.15 Version/10.10" http://www.opera.com | grep Solaris | head -n 1  

    3. June 2010, 12:17:20

    Frenzie

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    Originally posted by ruario:

    True but unless you are running Solaris or modified the user agent string in your browser to say you are running Solaris (not straight forward without a proxy if you use Opera) you wouldn't see the problem.


    I checked it in Fx with a UA switching extension.

    On Windows I used to run Proxomitron to do a number of things with Opera that I now often do in Firefox. Since the introduction of UserJS negated my use case for altering HTML before it was delivered to Opera, and both Proxomitron and Proximodo essentially died, I've taken to Fx and Lynx for certain things I used to do with Opera + Proxomitron/modo. Why Lynx instead of curl or wget I couldn't say. Probably because I already used Lynx and Links2 for some browsing, while I wasn't even aware of curl all those years ago; wget was something I only saw as a mass downloader (which is still the only way I "actively" use it, but I've read and thought of some more use cases for it).
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    3. June 2010, 12:20:09

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    ruario

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    Actually now I think of it, starting Opera as follows, would allow you to see it live in your browser as well:
    $ OPERA_SYSTEM_UNAME=SunOS opera &

    3. June 2010, 12:22:36

    Frenzie

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    You just blew my mind. That's awesome and I had no idea that was possible.
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    3. June 2010, 16:45:07 (edited)

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    ruario

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    @Frenzie: I use cURL and Wget daily for all kinds of stuff. For example try the following two commands and you will see why the site is broken for us and not Firefox:

    $ curl -sA "Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux x86_64; U; en-GB) Presto/2.5.28/2.5.23 Version/10.60" -I http://www.justgiving.com/ | grep Content-Type  

    $ curl -sA "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100402 Firefox/3.6.3" -I http://www.justgiving.com/ | grep Content-Type  

    In addition to using cURL and Wget to check server headers I often also grab a page's contents twice with different UA strings or perhaps various Accept-Language settings and then diff the results.

    Outside of every day testing I also automate uploads files to various sites from the command line (including uploading to My Opera files storage and Unite Services), or to scrape information from websites either as part of a script or as a one liner; e.g. the following would quickly tell me the build numbers of of the last 7 snapshots:

    $ wget -qO- http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ | grep -i "snapshot.opera.com/unix" | head -n 7 | wget -i- -qO- --force-html | grep 386.linux.tar.bz2  

    Here is a really basic opera snapshot download script that uses a slight variant of the above wget trick to grab the latest snapshot and unpack it into a user defined directory. I actually use this when I am at home to automate downloading and testing snapshot builds for regressions that users mention in these forums or on the desktop team blog.

    I have even written about Wget and cURL them on my blog a couple of times. I'm a really big fan of both! wink

    3. June 2010, 14:50:17 (edited)

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    ruario

    Posts: 980

    Originally posted by Frenzie:

    You just blew my mind. That's awesome and I had no idea that was possible.

    One of the nice things about working in Opera is I tend to find out all the cool tricks! wink

    We put that option there for people who run Opera on an emulated platform. We have had users running the Linux binaries under emulation on openBSD and NetBSD. It is handy for them to be able to set this part of the string so that when they browse websites they get presented with appropriate content, e.g. if they went to a site which provided software for various UNIX-like OSes they would be presented the appropriate binaries. A Solaris fan who managed to get Opera Linux running under a brandz zone (or even just under a regular virtual machine) might want to do the same.

    4. November 2010, 13:15:34

    choope

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    I noticed today that this forum has been renamed. It's now Opera for *nix - Linux/FreeBSD. Even though I exported my bookmarks to Fx, I still use Opera more. Old habits die hard.
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