Oil Spill

Oil Spill

I find it hard to believe that we have allowed it to go on this long. The entire nation should be boycotting BP until they stop the leak and clean up their mess (I'd bet that the coastal cities and maybe even states are!)! If you listen to them talk about what they are doing, it is always the same. Our last attempt has only recovered 6% of what is leaking [I'm paraphrasing, not quoting]. Their only concern is recovering the oil, not stopping the leak! The majority of Scientists at the onset of this ecological disaster have recommended blasting the leak to stop it (I have no idea how that would work) and I personally would trust Scientists not connected to BP to have the best solution. I think it's time we ALL start worrying about this considering the oceans are the lifeblood of this planet.

how many people do know about shit top-guys are producing^^?
politicians don't have to BE efficient - they have to LOOK this way
so if its not affecting next election - didn't happen

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

In the mean time, who is going to step up to the plate & take control of decisively directing those that are capable of stopping the flow ('Pluggin' the Hole')

working with Japan peoples on my ships for years I noticed long ago that they don't point fingers when a problem arises..
they work for a solution.

I sent them Horizon support team, a copy of the the schematics of the BOP and the failed Electro-Hydraulic activation system with a suggestion
that they remove the accumulator lines from the valves and place controlled explosives inside the valve rams through the hydraulic ports and detonate them in staged sequence to force the valves closed. Starting with the shear valves then choke valves then each one of the kill valves.

They sent me back a form E-mail.. They only called me Dear.

Forwarded message -------
> From: "Horizon Support" <Horizonsupport@oegllc.com>
> To: chiefmacd@operamail.com
> Cc:
> Subject: Horizon Call Center - your recent submission
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:52:19 -0700
>
> Dear ,
> Thank you so much for taking the time to think about and submit your
> proposed solution regarding the Horizon incident. Your submission has been
> reviewed for its technical merits. This approach will be
> considered or planned for possible implementation. All of us on the
> Horizon Support Team appreciate your thoughts and efforts.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> Horizon Support Team


I replied

OK where is the Money ?

Shut it off!!??

I've come to the conclusion that BP & the Obama Administration both have similar objectives.

Keep that oil flowing!

BP & Obama know if it's shut off, they won't make 10 times as much as it will cost them in the end. BP, financially, & Obama, politically.

I do find it hard to believe there isn't something that could of been done already.

Many thanks to Canada, Mexico, Croatia, Holland, Norway and Japan and the International Maritime Organization and the Monitoring and Information Center.

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100629/NEWS03/100629013/U.S.+accepts+international+assistance+for+Gulf+spill


US accepts international assistance for Gulf spill


"The United States is accepting help from 12 countries and international organizations in dealing with the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the State Department said Tuesday. The State Department said in a news release that the U.S. is working out the particulars of the help that’s been accepted.


More than 30 countries and international organizations have offered to help with the spill. The U.S. hasn’t made a final decision on most of the offers.


The United States rarely faces a disaster of such magnitude that it requires international aid, but the government did accept assistance after Hurricane Katrina.


Most of the countries and groups have offered skimmers, boom or dispersant chemicals, according to a chart on the State Department’s website.


“To be clear, the acceptance of international assistance we announced today did not mean to imply that international help was arriving only now,” said State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley. “In fact, before today, there were 24 foreign vessels operating in the region and nine countries had provided boom, skimmers and other assistance.”


He said as early as May 11, boom arrived from Mexico, Norway and Brazil.


The chart indicated offers have been accepted from six countries — Canada, Mexico, Croatia, Holland, Norway and Japan. Offers also were accepted from two groups — the International Maritime Organization and the Monitoring and Information Center, which is operated by the European Commission.


The two organizations are offering technical assistance. Mexico, Norway, Holland and Japan are providing skimmers; Canada is providing containment boom; and Croatia is pitching in with technical advice.


Only one offer has been rejected, according to the chart. Dispersant chemicals offered by France are not approved for use in the U.S.


The chart did not list the other four countries or groups from which the U.S. has accepted help.


The State Department referred calls to the Unified Area Command Joint Information Center in Louisiana, which didn’t immediately have more information available Tuesday night."


Almost all the countries and groups expect to be paid for their help, although the technical coordination from the two international groups and some containment boom offered by Mexico are free.

Originally posted by Smokeater116:

I find it hard to believe that we have allowed it to go on this long.

President Obama is loyal to interest that are contrary to the cleanup. While allowing some foreign help such as booms, the Administration is meanwhile sidelining the major assistance. Almost all of the foreign assistance while accepted is sitting idle in port. In other words it is not good enough to accept the assistance if it is not used. Nice spin Prez.

The administrations reaction to the Gulf oil leak will be the downfall of the Obama administration. The reason for the slow response is that there are other interest in play outside of cleaning up the Gulf. The EPA the agency responsible for clean-up will not temporarily waive it's regulations. The skimmers can remove 99% of the oil from the water, The EPA says that the water with 99% of the oil removed is still too dirty to return. In other words it is either all the oil removed or nothing; removing 99% just is not good enough for the EPA bureaucracy and President Obama will not over rule his subordinates in the EPA.
There is also the interest of Organized labor. The Jones Act, which restricts foreign ships from operating in U.S. coastal waters. Many foreign countries (such as the Netherlands and Belgium) have ships and technologies that would greatly advance the cleanup. So far, the U.S. has refused to waive the restrictions of this law and allow these ships to participate in the effort.

Originally posted by grysmn:

There is also the interest of Organized labor. The Jones Act, which restricts foreign ships from operating in U.S. coastal waters. Many foreign countries (such as the Netherlands and Belgium) have ships and technologies that would greatly advance the cleanup. So far, the U.S. has refused to waive the restrictions of this law and allow these ships to participate in the effort.

Horse puckey. As of June 15 there were 15 foreign ships helping in the spill area.

“In no case has the [Federal On Scene Coordinator] or [Unified Area Command] declined to request assistance or accept offers of assistance of foreign vessels that meet an operational need because the Jones Act was implicated,” Allen wrote. “To date, no Jones Act waivers have been necessary because foreign flagged vessels involved in the BP Deepwater Horizon response have not been engaged in activities that would require such a waiver.”

Too much Fox News, which has it's own form of pollution. And you are a Fox midwife. Did you bother doing any fact checking? That's what I thought. Why not?

You might also give a glance to...
http://www.sunherald.com/2010/06/30/2300979/gops-false-talking-point-jones.html
from whence came the following:

FactCheck.org, a nonprofit website operated by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center, analyzed claims that failure to waive the Jones Act is blocking foreign-flagged vessels from assisting in the Gulf. It concluded last week that "In reality, the Jones Act has yet to be an issue in the response efforts."

The Deepwater Horizon response team reported in a news release June 15 that 15 foreign-flagged ships were participating in the oil spill cleanup, FactCheck.org said. "None of them needed a waiver because the Jones Act does not apply," it said.

Or...

More than 500 medium to small oil skimmers – a five-fold increase since early June – are still largely losing the race to clean up oil escaping from the Macondo well ever since the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded on April 20, killing 11 and causing what this week became the largest oil spill ever in the Gulf of Mexico.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0702/A-Whale-to-the-rescue-Can-super-skimmer-turn-tide-of-Gulf-oil-spill

EYEBALLS and TARBALLS

Well Jaybro you will defend Obama's inactions till the end, despite being up to your eyeballs with tar balls.

Originally posted by grysmn:

EYEBALLS and TARBALLS

Well Jaybro you will defend Obama's inactions till the end, despite being up to your eyeballs with tar balls.

Originally posted by grysmn:

Well Jaybro you will defend Obama's inactions till the end, despite being up to your eyeballs with tar balls.

I don't think so, but I do know who's responsible for the spill...that is, in a general way.

At any rate, no tar balls in Lake Michigan...thinking of heading that way today. I'll let you know what I find. In any case, when you post political misinformation, I'll respond. From my end, no sympathy for the president. To me, he's just a politician. I've never been enthralled with politics.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

At any rate, no tar balls in Lake Michigan

Not yet!

It is a smart idea to head away from Florida for a bit. I was wondering about your defending President Obama's draggingly slow response, Your position would be unpopular for someone living in Florida. Anyway I can see how a flaming liberal would identify with and defend the slow reaction to a sinking flaming oil platform and it's aftermath. Same results for both no wonder the akinship.

Originally posted by grysmn:

Somehow I thought you from Florida. Must of been the dock picture. I was wondering about your defending President Obama's draggingly slow response, Your position would be unpopular for someone living in Florida. Anyway I can see how a flaming liberal would identify with and defend the slow reaction to a sinking flaming oil platform and it's aftermath. Same results for both no wonder the akinship.

An interesting alternative to accepting you were wrong and had posted nonsense information.

Originally posted by garydenness:

An interesting alternative to accepting you were wrong and had posted nonsense information.

Really? The basics remained the same!

Originally posted by grysmn:

It is a smart idea to head away from Florida for a bit. I was wondering about your defending President Obama's draggingly slow response

No, I'm now living in Michigan. The lure of grand babies.

I'm still not sure where I defended Obama. You posted some misinformation and I corrected it. I never mentioned the president. I'm a very non-political person. I'm thinking that the same isn't true of you...but that's just a hunch.

I'll wire the president and tell him to get out there with a dustpan and a broom.
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WASHINGTON — At least 22 nations — including Britain, where BP is based — have offered oil-collecting skimmers, boom, technical experts and more to help the U.S. cope with its worst-ever environmental disaster. But their generosity comes with a price tag.

The State Department confirmed that nearly every offer of equipment or expertise from a foreign government since the April 20 oil rig explosion would require the U.S. to reimburse that country.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37785640/

That's from June 18. Are you surprised?

Originally posted by Jaybro:

I'm still not sure where I defended Obama.

You're not a raving lunatic Obama-bashing teabagger, therefore by teabagger logic you must be his greatest fanboy

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by Jaybro:

I'm still not sure where I defended Obama.

You're not a raving lunatic Obama-bashing teabagger, therefore by teabagger logic you must be his greatest fanboy

Exactly. Hope this helps you Jaybro!

Originally posted by grysmn:

The basics remained the same!

That you were basically incorrect? Yes, indeed. You pass the test, this time. Congratulations!

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by grysmn:

EYEBALLS and TARBALLS

Well Jaybro you will defend Obama's inactions till the end, despite being up to your eyeballs with tar balls.

In fact, there is a bridge. Nuclear for one, which Obama backs. Tax rebates on hybrids and fuel efficient conventional cars, tax hikes if you're a twat that drives a Suburban or Expedition just to Walmart but doesn't need it for actual work. Eliminating oil dependence is a decades long project, but hey, drug addicts can't simply throw away the heroin and think they've licked the habit.




and yes, Obama is doing something to get the nuclear power going.

Oh, and by inactions in the matter of tarballs, you mean besides securing the 20 billion from BP for the clean up. The mayor was grateful for Obama's actions and said "I want thank Obama for listening to a bunch of rednecks" (somewhat of a paraphrase, the word redneck was actually used.) What we actual gulf coast residents (unlike people strictly on the attack against Obama) wanted was funding for a local response and that's what Obama provided not at taxpayers expense. You teapartiers should be thrilled. But you're not. It's only about attacking Obama and not really about anything else for you.

Originally posted by Macallan:

You're not a raving lunatic Obama-bashing teabagger, therefore by teabagger logic you must be his greatest fanboy

Thanks. I'm fortunate in having keen observers here who can explain the peciliar observations of our friends from just right of Genghis Khan, that is, those with very high BQ*s.
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Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Hope this helps you Jaybro!

Jesus Lord of the Flies!
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* BQ=Bullshit Quotient

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by Jaybro:

I'm still not sure where I defended Obama.

You're not a raving lunatic Obama-bashing teabagger, therefore by teabagger logic you must be his greatest fanboy

Your depiction does you, & only you, justice.

One does not have to be an American Tea Party Movement Supporter (there is no actual membership, therefore there are no actual members--just concerned citizens) to be non supportive of, or highly skeptical of, President Obama's motives, agendas, or inactions. All you need to be is a concerned American Citizen who believes that the Founding Fathers had quite a different America in mind than does the 'Anointed One'.

As far as the job he has done to stop the oil flow, remove the spillage, & protect our treasured shores, livlyhoods, & natural resources--not to mention our wildlife--one only has to look at the carnage to see the obvious. Obama's total & utter failure to effectively lead during their/our time of crisis.

Golf anyone?

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

As far as the job he has done to stop the oil flow, remove the spillage, & protect our treasured shores, livlyhoods, & natural resources--not to mention our wildlife--one only has to look at the carnage to see the obvious. Obama's total & utter failure to effectively lead during their/our time of crisis.

So it isn't much of a problem after all. If he'd only rolled up his sleeves and...and...and.....followed Bush's lead in Katrina.

"In dramatic and agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief that Hurricane Katrina could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans' Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to video footage," AP reported. "Bush didn't ask any questions during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: 'We are fully prepared'."

Me? I blame God. Shame on you, Sir!

When I was young things like this shocked me. After living thru a few oil disasters/shortages, I am for sure its not about plugging up the hole but saving the oil well.
...people picking one blob at a time with a gloved hand as if we don't have a john deere on the planet...lol

But just when you think you go problems...
A mud volcano erupted in eastern Java during exploratory drilling for natural gas. The lake of mud continues to grow, spreading across the countryside, driving people from their homes.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/world/asia/19mud.html?ref=indonesia

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

As far as the job he has done to stop the oil flow

Is it just me, or does anyone else have a difficult time imagining Ike Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford or Ronald Reagen swimming 503 feet into the gulf to stop an oil leak if such a leak had happened in their time?

503, yes....5,000, no.

Republicans are generally good swimmers, but 5,000 ft is asking a lot. Some have estimated that a sperm whale can dive 8,200 ft. That puts them in Tea Party territory. Has something to do with all the hot air they can draw in.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

So it isn't much of a problem after all. If he'd only rolled up his sleeves and...and...and.....followed Bush's lead in Katrina.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Is it just me, or does anyone else have a difficult time imagining Ike Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford or Ronald Reagen swimming 503 feet into the gulf to stop an oil leak if such a leak had happened in their time?

Nice dodge, swerve, & obfuscation. That's the perfect answer for those that don't need one, or don't have one, or don't want one.

Maybe if you said something like:

"At least he could have tried somewhat harder, one never knows what might have come to pass", it would have been more palatable.

Well at least his handicap won't suffer because of the spill.

They can stay busy fighting because there is a reason, they don't have a solution and/or don't care for one. If they did, they'd be doing it.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Nice dodge, swerve, & obfuscation.

I asked a simple question.
Strange how one who hails from a political organization that is masterful at swerves, idiocy and political senselessness accuses me of the same thing!

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Well at least his handicap won't suffer because of the spill.

It's even more strange that you would mention that as well, seeing as how your former party master (before you defected to the ATP(C)M) holds the all-time record of vacations during a Presidency. (And at the time of this article, his wasn't even done yet!!!)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/11/politics/uwire/main3927378.shtml

COLUMN: Record Breaker! Bush Takes Most Vacation Days For Sitting President

"President Bush recently spent his 879th day at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, since the Supreme Court, in all its great wisdom, elevated him to the presidency. This according to NPR's "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me," which noted that Bush broke former President Reagan's record for taking vacations from the White House.rIt's interesting to recall, all these wild years later, that George W. Bush did not decide to buy the ranch near Crawford until after he decided to run for president. Apparently, after Ronald Reagan's example, it seemed presidential to cut brush on a ranch, and Bush was seeking a brush with history. Or something.

Or maybe Karl Rove decided Bush should buy a ranch. (Easy for him to decide - it wasn't his money.) Somebody should have asked the Architect about this when he was here Sunday. Then the Rove-meister could have told questioner that he had a simple, untended brain. Rove, as it turns out, is an expert on simple, untended brains.

The occasion for NPR to comment on the vacationing habits of Bush (and Reagan) was the curious pas de deux last week between our fearless leader and John McCain, who would very much like to become our next fearless leader. McCain, of course, will be the GOP presidential candidate, barring a collapse worthy of the 2004 New York Yankees, and he was at the White House to be anointed by Bush.

What made the event curious - bizarre, according to some observers, but you know how the infamous "some observers" are - was the tap-dancing between Bush and McCain. First, Bush actually did perform a tap dance for reporters because McCain was late (the well-oiled McCain machine rolls on - no word yet on whether Bush will join the vaudeville circuit after leaving the White House [some would say his time in the West Wing has been the vaudeville circuit]), then McCain seemed to tap-dance, verbally, away from the president. Around a dozen or so times, McCain noted that Bush's "busy schedule" would probably keep him from campaigning for the Arizona senator.

No, really. You know, the "busy schedule" that has room for 879 days down on the ranch - which, if you're into arithmetic, works out to around 30 percent of eight years.

Maybe Bush's legacy will be "the 70 percent solution."

Well, that's probably better than what Hillary Rodham Clinton's legacy will be. She famously used what's being called the "kitchen-sink strategy" against Barack Obama in the run-up to the Ohio and Texas elections last week, and while she won Ohio - and the mainstream media would have you believe that she won Texas, too, but actually, apparently Obama did - the strategy seems to be backfiring in the long-term.

At least in the sense that a whole lot of passionate Obama supporters now seem utterly disinclined to ever vote for Rodham Clinton, especially if she somehow wins the Democratic nomination. Which would make that the most Pyrrhic of victories.

And she didn't help matters by seemingly offering the vice-presidential nomination to Obama, which, you have to admit, is a bit like the 2004 Yankees, after choking in the ALCS, offering to let the Red Sox watch them play the World Series.

Maybe Rodham Clinton could buy a ranch. Start cutting some brush.

After all, she's already running a Republican-like campaign."


Considering that prat led us into 2 wars and a recession, it is highly erm..... noteworthy to point this out to you.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

One does not have to be an American Tea Party Movement Supporter (there is no actual membership, therefore there are no actual members--just concerned citizens) to be non supportive of, or highly skeptical of, President Obama's motives, agendas, or inactions. All you need to be is a concerned American Citizen who believes that the Founding Fathers had quite a different America in mind than does the 'Anointed One'.

Gee, I never looked at it that way.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Which would make that the most Pyrrhic of victories.

Besides if Palin becomes the GOP candidate for president... Hrmmm...Jaybro beat me to it with a photo. I was going to suggested that maybe that mentioned "annointed one" is Palin because nobody thinks of any of any other politician that way.

Anyway, BP says new, better fitting cap might stop the leak today. We'll see. Damn the Sierra Club for putting a cap on the leak that didn't fit before!

Tuesday, the 2nd of November 112 days & counting.....It's going to be fun!

I should be returning from my summer skiing holiday in the Chilean Andes late October.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

I should be returning from my summer skiing holiday in the Chilean Andes late October.

Break a leg.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

I should be returning from my summer skiing holiday in the Chilean Andes late October.

Break a leg.

Thanks

BP: No oil leaking into Gulf from busted well


"A tightly fitted cap was successfully keeping oil from gushing into the Gulf of Mexico for the first time in three months, BP said Thursday. The victory - long awaited by weary residents along the coast - is the most significant milestone yet in BP's effort to control one of the worst environmental disasters in U.S. history.

Kent Wells, a BP PLC vice president, said at a news briefing that oil stopped flowing into the water at 2:25 p.m. CDT after engineers gradually dialed down the amount of crude escaping through the last of three valves in the 75-ton cap.


"I am very pleased that there's no oil going into the Gulf of Mexico. In fact, I'm really excited there's no oil going into the Gulf of Mexico," Wells said.


The stoppage came 85 days, 16 hours and 25 minutes after the first report April 20 of an explosion on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig that killed 11 workers and triggered the spill.


Now begins a waiting period to see if the cap can hold the oil without blowing a new leak in the well. Engineers will monitor pressure readings incrementally for up to 48 hours before reopening the cap while they decide what to do.


Though not a permanent fix, the solution has been the only one that has worked to stem the flow of oil since April. BP is drilling two relief wells so it can pump mud and cement into the leaking well in hopes of plugging it for good by mid-August.


BP has struggled to contain the spill and had so far been successful only in reducing the flow, not stopping it. The company removed an old, leaky cap and installed the new one Monday.


Between 93.5 million and 184.3 million have already spilled into the Gulf, according to federal estimates."

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100715/NEWS/100715026/BP++No+oil+leaking+into+Gulf+from+well

All you 'yanks' can stop moaning now then.

That was a joke by the way.

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

All you 'yanks' can stop moaning now then.

I am not a Yank, you Italian!

I found this posted in Yahoo News on the oil "spill" (oops!).

America will never again be a blessed land as long as abortionists and sodomites are at the helm.

I'm at a complete loss on this one.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Snip
Between 93.5 million and 184.3 million have already spilled into the Gulf, according to federal estimates."

Gotta love the decimal points.

Originally posted by OnetimePoster:

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Snip
Between 93.5 million and 184.3 million have already spilled into the Gulf, according to federal estimates."

Gotta love the decimal points.

Particularly when the range is from 93 million to 184 million. Makes one wonder why they didn't carry it out a couple more places.
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Reactions to Thursday's announcement

Alabama Gov. Bob Riley's face lit up when he heard the oil flow had stopped: "That's great. I think a lot of prayers were answered today."

The headline should have read: "Jesus Stops Leak!"

What the hell, though...he's the governor of Alabama.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

The headline should have read: "Jesus Stops Leak!"

What the hell, though...he's the governor of Alabama.

Indeed, then someone should write to the editor asking what took the hippy-half of YHWH so damn long?

There is now an ongoing investigation to determine if the Coast Guards lack of supervision of the fire fighting efforts led to the sinking of the rig. An official maritime investigation led by Coast Guard Capt. Hung M. Nguyen in New Orleans is examining whether the salt water that was sprayed across the burning platform overran the ballast system that kept the rig upright, changing its weight distribution, and causing it to list.

If the ballast tanks were not flooded the rig would still be afloat, and the integrity of the bore casing would still be intact.