Offer just the web browser

Offer just the web browser

I think it's nice Opera has widgets, email, irc integrated into it but Opera would be a more attractive browser to me if I could just download the browser only. Similar to how Firefox was just the browser pulled out of Mozilla Seamonkey. Sure I can choose to not use those things but they clutter the menus, perferences etc.

On the contrary, those integrated features don't really affect your browsing. Opera is already just a browser by default, and claiming that it "clutters the menus, preferences etc." is just hyperbole.

How many versions do you think it would take to please everyone?

I don't need widgets, developers tools, or IRC on the menus, but I do need Email, Unite, etc. The possible number of permutations would result in an almost infinite number of different versions.

The solution is already available — edit the menus, shortcuts, and toolbars to suit yourself. There is an entire Customising Opera forum dedicated to helping users with this. See my Tips page for some ideas to get you started.

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I don't use Unite,opera mail,widgets, etc...
I find these useless, i just need a browser
Opera could make a 'lite' version of it's browser which does not include all these things

Browser only version?, Opera Lite, 2 versions of opera: "light" and "normal", Opera Heavy, Remove Mail and Chat from Browser etc.

Originally posted by haavard:

Search before posting.

My Opera Posting Rules

they should have a seperate Opera slim browser that is a fast, secure, stable, and safe browser without any features except for wand and spellcheck.

and a seperate full feature Opera browser with everything. I use widgets and notes all the time as well as image cache.

Yup, I think Opera should remove these redundant features such as mail, unite , torrent which people never touched.......or at least give Opera user the option to custom install the browser. No-one likes to drive with a sportcar like Opera with a trailer behind.

Originally posted by opera1978:

No-one likes to drive with a sportcar like Opera with a trailer behind.

Your analogy is inaccurate. Some people like a sportscar with a radio, others don't. If you don't need the radio, then don't turn it on. The weight of the radio will not slow down the sports car.

Using these functions do in fact effect browser performance, anyone who says it doesn't is an idiot.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by opera1978:

No-one likes to drive with a sportcar like Opera with a trailer behind.

Your analogy is inaccurate. Some people like a sportscar with a radio, others don't. If you don't need the radio, then don't turn it on. The weight of the radio will not slow down the sports car.

To you, it's like a radio, but to me, it's like a trailer. You know what, in the past, every time I try Opera browser because of I heard of that it's fast and sometimes fastest browser but I had to give it up time by time with my head-scratching wondering why it's so complicated . The rendering speed advantage doesn't even add up to a single second. There is only one thing that I like about opera browser is, it's indeed the nicest browser out there.

Originally posted by beta33:

Using these functions do in fact effect browser performance, anyone who says it doesn't is an idiot.

But if you're not using these features, they won't slow it down.

Originally posted by opera1978:

I had to give it up time by time with my head-scratching wondering why it's so complicated

What you don't use, you don't need to learn how to use.

Originally posted by opera1978:

To you, it's like a radio, but to me, it's like a trailer.

A trailer slows you down, a radio does not. Some people complained that Unite, Mail client, Widgets, etc., are just bloat, but they have no effect on performance if you don't use them. If you're sure that you will never use them, then customise the interface to remove them from the menus and toolbars.

Originally posted by beta33:

Using these functions do in fact effect browser performance, anyone who says it doesn't is an idiot.

To avoid looking like an idiot, read the thread before replying. Opera1978 does not want to use these features, so performance won't be affected. Those of us who do want to use Unite or Bit-torrent are well aware of the effects on performance while those features are actually being used. I am sure that most users sometimes download large files with Opera, even without using Unite or Bit-torrent, and they don't care about the affect on performance, as browsing only slows down while the download is in progress.

Originally posted by rox33rox33not11:

they should have a seperate Opera slim browser that is a fast, secure, stable, and safe browser

You mean like Opera is by default today?

Originally posted by opera1978:

Yup, I think Opera should remove these redundant features

What good would that do? It would just increase the maintenance and slow down the development process. Opera comes with all these features hidden by default anyway.

If it is of interest to people who don't use the extra features of Opera.
You can run Opera without the Mail/Chat client. In Linux this is done with a command line option:

opera -nomail

I presume this is also true in Windows.
However, this will only improve boot-time (slightly, if at all), it won't affect browsing speeds.

Iirc, the M2 mail app is only 19kb of the total load.

Originally posted by desic:

You can run Opera without the Mail/Chat client. In Linux this is done with a command line option:

That will do exactly nothing that is actually noticeable to the user.

However, this will only improve boot-time (slightly, if at all), it won't affect browsing speeds.

It won't make startup faster either, unless you are already using mail, in which case you might as well delete the mail folder instead.

Originally posted by Slamdex:

Originally posted by rox33rox33not11:

they should have a seperate Opera slim browser that is a fast, secure, stable, and safe browser

You mean like Opera is by default today?

If not all the trillion *bug reports* and *my* Opera are from a parallell universe then *your* Opera has to be.

Don't really think several versions would be required. One would just need more choices while installing.
For instance, there could be several check-boxes at one part of the installation, where one could choose what functionality one would want.
Opera base will always be required, but there could also be check-boxes like "Email, IRC (Depending on how integrated they are with each others, perhaps one check-box), Opera Turbo, Opera link, and several others.

The only real problem with this though, depends on how integrated the features are with each other. Think I've seen it mentioned that the e-mail part of opera is heavily integrated, and thus would be a hassle to separate from the browser base.

Anyways, this was my take on the situation. Even though there probably is little to gain from this, it would eliminate one of the 2 biggest causes as to why users prefers other browsers
(Most ask for plug-in functionality, while people that claim opera's extra functionality bloats it probably comes in as second. Also, a great deal of people also complain about Opera not being minimalistic and / or simplistic enough, so it would help towards that reason as well).

Additionally, for regular users that don't really care about wether opera got extra functionality or not, they could easily with a click remove menus and options that they'd never use anyway.

Originally posted by eternal1:

If not all the trillion *bug reports* and *my* Opera are from a parallell universe then *your* Opera has to be.

Does anyone understand what eternal1 is trying to say? Is he seriously suggesting that there would be fewer bugs if Opera had to spend more time maintaining several different products? LOL.

Originally posted by JoakimIK:

Don't really think several versions would be required. One would just need more choices while installing.

Opera already does something much better: The additional features are hidden/disabled by default, and you enable them when or if you want to. No need for confusing installer options and even more downloads.

For instance, there could be several check-boxes at one part of the installation, where one could choose what functionality one would want.

That would be useless. How would "normal"? people know what to choose?

Anyways, this was my take on the situation. Even though there probably is little to gain from this, it would eliminate one of the 2 biggest causes as to why users prefers other browsers

Why would people prefer other browsers just because Opera is a plain browser by default but has optional additional functionality?

Additionally, for regular users that don't really care about wether opera got extra functionality or not, they could easily with a click remove menus and options that they'd never use anyway.

They can already do that. Better yet, those menus and options are hidden by default already.

Originally posted by prd3:

Originally posted by eternal1:

If not all the trillion *bug reports* and *my* Opera are from a parallell universe then *your* Opera has to be.

Does anyone understand what eternal1 is trying to say? Is he seriously suggesting that there would be fewer bugs if Opera had to spend more time maintaining several different products? LOL.

I'm sure most people other than fanboys do understand perfectly
I was merely responding to the silly comment that Opera is stable, very fast etc by default (that is, it's bugless, so claimed). How hard is this for you to understand what I wrote and in response to what ?

However, it's not rocket science that Opera the browser would be less buggy (as in less stability problems, less memory leaks, less freezes, etc) if pieces of the code we call modules were put into seperate processes. Are you implying that is incorrect ? If so, are you making fun of yourself ?

It's funny how the same anti-extension arguments that can be used in discussions around modules take a vacation when the latter show up.

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