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There's no religion more scary that the one the other guy believes in. You know where that leaves atheists such as yourself, sir?
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There is no Wessex without 4play.
I thought that krispymatt was the Genius of the Lamp, we say three wishes and they would become true... bah.. I'm disappointed.
We moved to DnD Sanctuary.FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by krispymatt:
Hi! all of you can post your prayers, wishes and plea in this forum, what ever it may be, and let see in how many days it come true.
I'm afraid you're grossly misinformed if you believe literally in the practice widely known as "prayer" as having any beneficial outcomes, whether petitionary or intercessory.
There are logical, scientific, and metaphysical reasons for not seriously investigating such a notion as invoking a supernatural being or metaphysical force to alter external reality from its natural course. The idea is logically contradictory, scientifically preposterous, and metaphysically demeaning.
For example; When the emergency paramedic is about to apply CPR, nobody says: "Wait! Let's pray first."
Jack.
Originally posted by reacher9:
I'm afraid you're grossly misinformed if you believe literally in the practice widely known as "prayer" as having any beneficial outcomes, whether petitionary or intercessory.
I pray that you'll post here again.
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I am a Juggalo... I am an individual guided by Light... I know who I am and who I want to be. I recognize that the path to Shangri La requires an open mind... I shall not judge. I am part of a Family... I shall Love my Family as I would my blood. I shall do my Family no harm as I know what is done to others shall surely be done to me. I shall strive to honor my Family and not disgrace their name.
Originally posted by RekaG:
Glad this is not one of those farce threads and quit it trolls......it says "post your prayers", so if you have something for us to pray for, post it....
The OP was (used to be, before it was edited)
"Hi! all of you can post your prayers, wishes and plea in this forum, what ever it may be, and let see in how many days it come true."
So people are posting what ever it may be - seems fair enough to me.
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Originally posted by krispymatt:
unavilable
Irony noted, krispymatt.
Why would Elohim, YHWH, or Allah (and his 99 other names) answer prayers? (or amputees for that matter
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Originally posted by thedawgfan:
God answers prayers in different ways, hey at revivals there are times when amputated limbs grew back instantly.Originally posted by krispymatt:
unavilable
Irony noted, krispymatt.
Why would Elohim, YHWH, or Allah (and his 99 other names) answer prayers? (or amputees for that matter
Originally posted by Ward:
No and I don't think the people it happened to, may have gone back to the doctor, because they felt it was not needed.Originally posted by RekaG:
God answers prayers in different ways, hey at revivals there are times when amputated limbs grew back instantly.
And your dog ate all the evidence and peer reviewed medical data?
7. June 2010, 07:34:36 (edited)
Heres a nice quote: "Jesus save us from your followers!"
Its a nice documentory, I recommend it.....Made me think a lot of, about how much damage I can do and that I can lead someone astray because of the damage.
Originally posted by RekaG:
No and I don't think the people it happened to, may have gone back to the doctor, because they felt it was not needed.
Why not? If it happened and as a direct result of prayer, then these people have a moral duty to share their experience and the physical evidence attached to their body with the rest of the world. How better than documented records of their loss of limb and then X-Rays, MRI scans and medical records updated to show the return of said limb?
The overwhelming likelihood is that this is another testament from those taken in by the likes of Benny Hinn, a documented charlatan who tours around the world as a faith healer. After his performance is over, he boards the tour bus along with the faithful he 'healed' on stage.
But fraudsters aside, my point is that the number of liars and conmen far outweigh the genuine. It forces the onus on you, morally as well as logically, to show evidence for your claims or retract them.
Originally posted by RekaG:
God answers prayers in different ways, hey at revivals there are times when amputated limbs grew back instantly.
Often on the wrong person.
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
It's a little hard to believe there is on god when you believe you ARE God.
Jaybro is the god of atheism, he doesn't believe in himself. A condition not unheard of among mere humans
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Immanis:
Originally posted by Macallan:
Jaybro is the god of atheism, he doesn't believe in himself. A condition not unheard of among mere humans
Except he don't call itself the a-word, which itself is another condition not unheard of among mere humans
Therefore god exists and his name is Jaybro
Hey, this makes at least as much sense as all the other god proofs
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Jaybro:
I pray that you'll post here again.
Your prayer has been answered.
I guess that's prima facie evidence that god exists?
And, ergo, I must in fact be god. (As I've answered your prayer.)
Let's see what the religionists here have to say about me being god... after all, I've just proved my own existence by typing this response. And if I exist, then logically, god exists.
Easy stuff really. I feel better now. Or maybe not.
—God.
Originally posted by Jaybro:
Not a great example, its a image of a manmade god, but it can be based on a real person. There are people and animals who have been born with excess body parts, in some cases, twins or almost twins(you know, extra head). So its not impossible that its based on a real person, like egyptian and greek mythology.Originally posted by RekaG:
God answers prayers in different ways, hey at revivals there are times when amputated limbs grew back instantly.
Often on the wrong person.
Originally posted by RekaG:
its a image of a manmade god
Remove the blinders from your eyes and perhaps you may see his point.
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Originally posted by RekaG:
its a image of a manmade god
Well obviously, since all gods are man made.
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Macallan:
No.....Originally posted by RekaG:
its a image of a manmade god
Well obviously, since all gods are man made.
I did actually get your point, but it also made it sound like he would give to another God instead of the people he created.
Originally posted by krispymatt:
So... Krispymatt,
The fact that you've deleted your first post in this thread indicates that you have no faith in the powers of your own religion — to defend you from the slings and arrows of us mere atheists? (To paraphrase Hamlet.)
Is this correct?
Originally posted by reacher9:
Originally posted by krispymatt:
So... Krispymatt,
The fact that you've deleted your first post in this thread indicates that you have no faith in the powers of your own religion — to defend you from the slings and arrows of us mere atheists? (To paraphrase Hamlet.)
Is this correct?
I am unbaised, nither an atheist nor a belever
Originally posted by krispymatt:
I am unbaised, nither an atheist nor a belever
If you're not a believer then you're an atheist (i.e. not-a-theist). Sorry pal. It really is about the least descriptive label ever.
By polls more Norwegians are deists (believe there were some kind of creator) than there are Christians or self-declared atheists. Are these Norwegians believers or non-believers? Furthermore most people partake in magical thinking from time to time (knock on wood, jinxes, and so on). Are these believers or atheists?
Originally posted by jax:
By polls more Norwegians are deists (believe there were some kind of creator) than there are Christians or self-declared atheists. Are these Norwegians believers or non-believers? Furthermore most people partake in magical thinking from time to time (knock on wood, jinxes, and so on). Are these believers or atheists?
Deists are theists, while people who believe in jinxes and other superstitions (or just "something spiritual") are atheists as long as they don't believe in god(s). The latter is essentially in direct opposition with what I mean when I say I'm an atheist, whereas the first may be a lot like it, but that's exactly the problem with the term: it doesn't describe much.
Of course there is a gradual continuum, and I think Dawkins describes that reasonably well, but in the end you either believe in god(s) or you don't. That just illustrates all the more how little the term says.
Originally posted by reacher9:
Would you then better describe yourself as an agnostic?
From that comment he looks like a soft atheist (ie, agnostic atheist). Or like Jaybro he has wrong the definition of atheism (sorry for use your name in vain, ol' God). Or just don't like some of the strings attached to the word (may SWMBO forgive the confusion of strings). Or he is being just plain indecisive.
Originally posted by reacher9:
Would you then better describe yourself as an agnostic?
With the exception of agnostic theists, all agnostics are (soft) atheists.
Originally posted by Immanis:
From that comment he looks like a soft atheist (ie, agnostic atheist). Or like Jaybro he has wrong the definition of atheism (sorry for use your name in vain, ol' God). Or just don't like some of the strings attached to the word (may SWMBO forgive the confusion of strings). Or he is being just plain indecisive.
(however, being indecisive is also being an atheist)Originally posted by Immanis:
From that comment he looks like a soft atheist (ie, agnostic atheist).
And from that we go down the slope of weak-position atheism or strong-position atheism.
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Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by krispymatt:
I am unbaised, nither an atheist nor a belever
If you're not a believer then you're an atheist (i.e. not-a-theist). Sorry pal. It really is about the least descriptive label ever.
I think he's a believer who either knows he can't defend his position or doesn't want to, for whatever reason. I don't see any non-believer or not-really-believer post a thread titled 'post your prayers' in the first place. Or go crying & moping when the responses aren't in tune with his (weak?) beliefs.
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Macallan:
I don't see any non-believer or not-really-believer post a thread titled 'post your prayers' in the first place.
They did? Where?
Originally posted by Felinial:
well I am an atheist and have no problem with that. I have no one to guide me but my own sense of what is morally and ethically right.
What is the basics of your moral and ethical philosohy
Is it a new one, undiscoverd any religion.
Originally posted by krispymatt:
What is the basics of your moral and ethical philosohy
Is it a new one, undiscoverd any religion.
Is simply the golden rule: don't do to others what you would not like to be done to you. That of course is the bare minimum required to prevent "bad" behavior in a society, to encourage "good" behavior we have the other side of the golden rule: do to others what you would like to be done to you. Is a very simple concept that is in the core of every society and of course both are present in one form or other in pretty much every religion.
The point is that you don't need religion to base your ethics on that simple rule, and as a matter of fact, everything "evil" any society has ever done was caused by excluding the application of the golden rule to certain groups of individuals, and ironically one of the more common criteria for the exclusion has been religion.
This philosophy is not discoverd by you. It is a simple modification from bible, which means you are following bible.
My Question is can you invent a new moral theory which is more cultural than 2000 year old philosophy.
10. June 2010, 17:52:40 (edited)
Originally posted by krispymatt:
It is a simple modification from bible, which means you are following bible.
It never ceases to amaze me how some people will jump at the bit to assume anything.
Yeah, the bible says something of that nature, but it also says this:
Ezekial 9:3-7
Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4 and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.
7 Then he said to them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!” So they went out and began killing throughout the city.
Perhaps you should take what that ancient sadistic book of fairy tales says with a grain of salt.
Now out of curiosity, why did you delete your entire OP?
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I just mentioned the two basic rules I base my own ethics, I never pretended to invent them. And certainly I'm not following the bible, because when I decide to follow a rule I don't make that much exception (and certainly not stupid ones as some I mentioned before). In any case you seem to think that things are black or white, and they usually aren't. If there is something meaningful in the Bible (or Das Kapital for that matter), why should I refrain to learn form it?
As for your the question if someone can came with a meaningful moral code, the short answer is yes anyone can came with a functional moral code. You can see some examples even in old computer games. And yes, those work just fine. I myself follow the precepts of the Avatar in the real life just because is fun.
Originally posted by Immanis:
Is a very simple concept that is in the core of every society and of course both are present in one form or other in pretty much every religion.
There are people out there that want to be stoned for eating the wrong food or some such?
Originally posted by krispymatt:
"don't do to others what you would not like to be done to you."
This philosophy is not discoverd by you. It is a simple modification from bible, which means you are following bible.
Yeah right. Because the Bible was the first to come up with that. Even if it were, actually following that is about the furthest away from following the Bible.
Originally posted by Immanis:
If there is something meaningful in the Bible (or Das Kapital for that matter), why should I refrain to learn form it?
You shouldn't. There's awful little of that in the Bible though.
but why can't you try to propose a new moral code as the cultural evolution is acting in the human population.
Originally posted by krispymatt:
try something new
Perhaps you could try something new by answering a query I posed to you? :
Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Now out of curiosity, why did you delete your entire OP?
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10. June 2010, 19:21:58 (edited)
Originally posted by krispymatt:
"don't do to others what you would not like to be done to you."
This philosophy is not discoverd by you.
Where did he say it was?
Originally posted by krispymatt:
It is a simple modification from bible, which means you are following bible.
Nonsense. It means he agrees with one verse that can be found in the new testament ( and which is contradicted elsewhere in the bible ), the concept itself can be found in much earlier works.
So, in your own words, this philosophy wasn't 'discovered' by the NT writers either.
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Now out of curiosity, why did you delete your entire OP?
Because not even the christians here posted fluffy christian prayers which made baby
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by Immanis:
Is a very simple concept that is in the core of every society and of course both are present in one form or other in pretty much every religion.
There are people out there that want tobeget stonedforfrom eating the wrong food or some such?
Here, I fixed that for you
Originally posted by Immanis:
If there is something meaningful in the Bible (or Das Kapital for that matter), why should I refrain to learn form it?
By krispy's 'logic' you're a marxist if you think that manchester capitalism of the late 1800s kinda sucked for the workers
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Immanis:
On a second thought, it doesn't make a difference, following his logic if there is something wrong there, everything else must be wrong as well.
Four-legged insects from Leviticus 11 anyone?
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Macallan:
Four-legged insects from Leviticus 11 anyone?
That was God giving a free lesson on logic, the meaning is crystal clear to everyone: you can eat ANY flying insect and those will never ever make you unclean until evening, otherwise crushing flies and mosquitoes would make them permanently unclean. Notice that roaches are considered clean and all true believers are free to feast on them at pleasure.
Originally posted by krispymatt:
.....This philosophy is not discovered by you. It is a simple modification from bible, which means you are following bible.
My Question is can you invent a new moral theory which is more cultural than 2000 year old philosophy.
Oh dear... you've fallen for the oldest misconception that the religionists use in support of their beliefs:
"It's in the Bible therefore it must be correct". And by a bizarre, magical extension of logic always has been — through time immemorial.
You do understand that mankind and all of its aggregated beliefs, customs and morals of the day existed many millennia before your Bible was even written don't you? Or are you now claiming the Bible as some sort of "recipe book" for human morality that allegedly did not exist before it (the Bible) was written?
And if that were the case, then how did homo heidelbergensis survive to become modern man — but without the relatively modern morals of your Bible?
Later group leaders used its back ground to create a culture in their groups..
for this they made stories of God
Holy Bible Or Geetha are stories only.
So if you are following the philosophies discussed in these books can't we tell that you are a follower of this..
11. June 2010, 18:27:40 (edited)
Originally posted by ensbb3:
So then since the bible follows text of earlier pagan religions, can we then assume it to be a advocate for those philosophies?... there are many similarities. God, Jesus, angels... kinda like Zeus, Hercules, lesser gods, huh? same old bag of tricks with new stories and roles played.
Not to mention that the self-sacrificing god and the resurrected god are recurring themes all over the place, the bible isn't the first to describe either by a long shot.
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Now out of curiosity, why did you delete your entire OP?
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Originally posted by krispymatt:
Ok
but why can't you try to propose a new moral code as the cultural evolution is acting in the human population.
There really is no need, most people have grasped this already, a lot have difficulty carrying them out based on their own selfish natures, the rest are psychopaths and have no morals anyway. We all try in some way to be better people and we all continually fail as we come to realize that being a better person is a lot harder than we anticipated. There is not a single person on this planet who can claim to have perfected the art of being a better human and you will often find religious and non religious alike in this field. We are all linked by one true factor, we are simply instinctual animals who have gained some control over those instincts and are now in a better position to use or abuse them.
The important thing to remember is to never give up trying and striving to be that better person, as although it is hard and will never truly be accomplished we will get closer and closer to it in the end.
Originally posted by Felinial:
There really is no need, most people have grasped this already, a lot have difficulty carrying them out based on their own selfish natures, the rest are psychopaths and have no morals anyway.
Compare that to the claim often made by fundamentalist christians that without god everyone, including themselves, would be homicidal maniacs.
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by ensbb3:
why is the "holy land" one of the most unstable places on the planet? One is left thinking god enjoys conflict.
You've read the old testament, did you?
Originally posted by ensbb3:
who is his "chosen people" (why would he favor one over the other?)?
There are plenty self-proclaimed chosen people around, just ask the mormons for example.
Originally posted by ensbb3:
did he send his son or speak to Muhammad? a clear cut answer on just one of these would save lives.
No, the other factions would do what they always do, scream heresy and stick to their own delusions.
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by ensbb3:
Not really to christianity itself, just to the fire & brimstone literalist lunatics, christian or otherwise - it's not like the other religions are immune to that. The sane believer would not be threatened by new discoveries, (s)he'd go "so that's how he did it" or something similar at most and move on while the fire & brimstone lunatic would scream Lies! Conspiracy! Burn in Hell!
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
13. June 2010, 04:39:47 (edited)
To me Christianity is irrational. Faith is irrational. to believe some one is gonna look out for you is... to me, irrational. And I know this topic has been done,
. I have seen somethings I can't quite explain. it got me to thinking about continuums of energy, alternate dimensions, the earth magnetic field and alloy core acting as a collector for Natures combined conscientiousness. but then, how transferable is conscientious? is it just the firing of neurons? or a unique energy?... eh, you get the point. In the end it just seems like a lot of wishful thinking... But you never know. I think I'd like to come back as a dolphin, swim around pulling off tourists swim wear for fun.
Originally posted by ensbb3:
yeah, for the most part i'd agree. However those more rational Christians are prolly the ones out funding these bible based archaeological digs.
I wouldn't bet on it - these tend to be funded by fundie baptist churches and organizations, the same which are into aggressive proselytizing - not largely benign mainstream churches.
Originally posted by ensbb3:
Of which, even they are usually frustrated by what they find. That doesn't stop them from speculating on the significance of it though. It's an "if this city exists, all this stuff MUST of happened" type philosophy.
Ah yes, the bible mentions some places and persons that exist(ed) in real life therefore everything else it says must be true. Obviously the same applies to Lovecraft's works therefore they better make sure they're eaten first when the stars are right and Great Cthulhu awakes.
Originally posted by ensbb3:
To me Christianity is irrational. Faith is irrational. to believe some one is gonna look out for you is... to me, irrational. And I know this topic has been done,
Bantayand daveski had it out over this one, I believe. I'm not saying good things don't come out of religion/Christianity, but it's the method that is irrational, the "why" that gets skewed.
Yeah, belief for its own sake as promoted by christians and others is about as irrational as it gets. Genius marketing move though.
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
13. June 2010, 21:43:40 (edited)
Originally posted by leftwing:
What if, god is in fact a spirit then man being made in his image is also a spirit alien to the planet earth.
If you read Genesis you'll notice that the creator god described in the first few chapters is anthropomorphic with a glaring lack of omniscience and omnipotence. Skip forward a little bit and you'll find a typical smite-thine-arse middle eastern sky & thunder god. Skip forward again and you'll find a (very) slightly more civilized, more or less incorporeal god which gradually evolves to the all loving, all seeing and all powerful hippie schizophreniac in the new testament who'll happily torture you for an eternity or two if you don't kiss his arse just the right way.
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Really?
And these are the unused ones! Turn the other cheek, my royal bum.
Originally posted by Jaybro:
"All loving" is a stretch
Do I really need to add sarcasm tags?
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by Jaybro:
For a while I thought I was God. It didn't work out as you suggest.
Assuming your thought was factitious it did work out as I suggested. You were facetious. A word that arranges the five vowels in alphabetical order and is a fitting description of the human psyche. No offence intended.