1 World Trade Center: Space Available

1 World Trade Center: Space Available

One World Trade Center will be open in 2013, and the Transit Hub will open in 2014. One WTC will ultimately have 105 floors.
Given 9/11 realities, would you be willing to rent office space?

Frankly, I think the owners should paint a giant bulls-eye at the 100 floor level.

You mean like a helipad on the top?

Sorta. The Chinese have already rented five floors. Fearless people, the Chinese.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Frankly, I think the owners should paint a giant bulls-eye at the 100 floor level.

The World Trade Center site will be safe. There is little to fear, Al Qada is declining. Bin-Ladens strategy was to hole up in Afghanistan where he believed himself safe from American Forces. he was holed up in Push-tan tribal Areas that even the Soviet Armies could not penetrate. The Taliban cooperated saying something about not being able to turn over a guest, that is Bin Laden to the Americans.

The counter strategy is simple. Now Bin ladens allies the Taliban have lost power. The Push-tan tribal areas have had their semi autonomy encroached on by the assertion of sovereignty by the governments of Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Islamic economies of both Afghanistan and Pakistan allow their leaders be bought with chump change. Sure some have reneged, you can only buy so much loyalty. The disloyal leaders names are in the data base and the undependable leaders will no longer receive payments of chump change. The funds will go to their rivals. As long as Bin Laden lives, when he looks up to toward heaven and will see drones in the sky hunting for him.

Leaders everywhere can say what they want, they know that if their countries export violence there will be regime change. Actions speak louder than words.

I ready to rent the whole WTC. The only thing I need is money

I think we need to rent them out to the Taliban. They wouldn't bomb themselves, would they?


Anyway, I would rent out an office... near the ground floor

I heard that they intend to build a mosque on the site.

I heard they were going to just build a runway.

Given past events it does seem rather risky anyone in that building would be living in fear

Well you could rent an office on the ground floor MConor but if anything happened you have 105 reasons to be concerned unless you can run at 30mph?

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Given 9/11 realities, would you be willing to rent office space?

Wouldn't bother me. If anything, I'd be happy to give a one finger salute to the people who knocked the first one down, dead though they are, and those who supported/agreed with their efforts.

This will sound flippant, but it's not meant to be.

A parachute might be a sensible piece of officer equipment.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Given 9/11 realities, would you be willing to rent office space?

No, but for another reason. Before 2001 this was the part of Manhattan I really didn't like, and I have little hope that WTC Mark II will be any better. New York City is a lovely town, but this part was just another financial district hell hole. I could get much better real estate in NYC at far lower rent.

Originally posted by string:

This will sound flippant, but it's not meant to be.

A parachute might be a sensible piece of officer equipment.

Agreed.

I'm pulling for grysmn's analysis. I imagine that getting into a cockpit is just a tad more difficult than it used to be.

Originally posted by grysmn:

Leaders everywhere can say what they want, they know that if their countries export violence there will be regime change. Actions speak louder than words.

The problem might be that it isn't necessarily about countries but about people for whom country means nothing. When your God calls for jihad, you may have to act without presidential approval.

After 9/11, the FAA mandated new, heavier, bulletproof doors for airline cockpits across the U.S. commercial air fleet. All commercial airliners now have them installed. While fortified doors are a dramatic improvement, compared to previously existing ones, they are far from a panacea against a motivated terrorist team.
Soon after 9/11, a new, fortified cockpit door was breached by a drunken passenger on an international flight.
A few months later, an after-hours cleaning crew easily broke one off its hinges on a bet, by running a heavy snack cart into it, instantly gaining access to the cockpit.
Some transoceanic flights are up to six hours from the nearest point of landing in an emergency, providing ample time for a terrorist team to work on breaching the door.

But, by far, the greatest weakness in the fortified door is that it must be routinely opened during flight. Every time the pilots receive a meal, every time they must use the lavatory, the door must be opened, providing a terrorist seated in First Class the opportunity to leap forward through the opened door and through any flight attendant guarding it, to block it open for other terrorists, or worse, to slam it behind him, preventing even the passengers or possible air marshals from gaining entry to help. In tests, APSA personnel were successful in gaining cockpit entry this way, 100% of the time, even though the “flight crew” knew it was coming.
http://www.secure-skies.org/fortifieddoors.php

And therein lies the rub.

Israel has already ocuppied most of it

That might not be a bad thing.

They could call it The Tel Aviv Tower.

Actually changed the reply why not i love israelies

Ok Tel Aviv Tower it is.

Originally posted by doronron:

Ok Tel Aviv Tower it is.

cannot wait

And on the wall you can have the

• Israel was established upon the ruins of another nation that it destroyed; Palestine

• Israel hold the world record in the number of towns & villages it ethnically cleansed...500+

• Israel holds the world record in the number of refugees it deported...4 million +

• Israel holds the world record in the number of homes it demolished...60 thousand +

• Israel is the country with the highest record of UN condemnation...500+ times

• Israel is the country with the highest number of protective US Security council vetoes...100+ times

• Israel has killed more innocent civilians per capita than any other country...50 thousand+

• Israel has imprisoned more civilians per capita than any other country...250 thousand+

• Israel has rendered more innocent civilians handicapped per capita than any other country...50 thousand+

• Israel has injured more innocent civilians per capita than any other country...200 thousand+

• Israel has only two countries to defend its policies in the United Nations. These countries are America & Micronesia. The population for Micronesia as of June 2008 is only 108,000

• Israel is the only country on Earth that denies the right of return of refugees

• Israel is the only country on Earth that still occupies a whole other country & parts of two other countries

• Israel is the only country on Earth that publicly, steals the water of its neighbors

• Israel is the only country on Earth that has legalized home demolishing as a method of collective punishment

• Israel is the only country on Earth that uproots trees as a method of collective punishment

• Israel is the only country on Earth that deliberately targets civilian infrastructure and justifies it

• Israel is the only country on Earth that legalized assassination

• Israel stands unique in using human shields in military operations

• Amongst all countries, Israel is the only one that has legalized torture

• Israel is the only country on Earth that builds illegal settlements in occupied lands

• Israel is the only country on Earth that publicly jails activists without trial

• According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Israel has created the highest number of checkpoints

• According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Israel holds the world record in the number of curfew it has installed on the Palestinians

• Israel is the only country on Earth whose checkpoints deny women access to hospitals, they give birth alone and babies usually die

• Israel is exceptional in being the only country on Earth whose checkpoints denies patients access to hospitals, and they end up dying

• Israel is the only country on Earth whose checkpoints are where wedding parades come to an end

• Israel is the only country on Earth who check points schoolchildren, denies them access to school, and puts an end to their classes

• Israel is one of two countries that, against International Law, use cluster bombs and depleted uranium bombs. America is the other...what a surprise huh?

• Israel holds the world record in the number of soldiers refusing to serve in the army

• Israel despite being a rich country, receives the highest financial aid, more than the sum aid to all sub-Saharan Africa!

• Israel claims its enemies want to wipe it off the map, but it has indeed wiped a whole country called Palestine off the map!

• Israel is the country that has introduced nuclear weapons into the Middle East. But the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty

• After East Germany, Israel is the only country that is building a segregation wall

• Second to South Africa, Israel is the only country to establish an apartheid regime

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first iron gates on roads

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first cities turned into jails with gates and opening hours

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first apartheid walls

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first electrified segregation fences

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first 'eyes specific' rubber bullets

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first abortion efficient, infant killing tear gas

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first humiliation guaranteed human cages

• Israel is the only country on Earth that has a political party that publicly advocates ethnic cleansing of native citizens (Palestinians)

• Israel is the only country on Earth that still has racist laws that discriminate against native citizens (Palestinians)

• Israel is the only country on Earth known to have a memorial dedicated to a terrorist where his followers gather and dance

• Israel is the only country on Earth that imprisons kids for political reasons

• Israel is the only country on Earth where you get a one month community service for intentionally, smashing the head of a child! How much more proof do people need to see that Israel is a terrorist nation?????!!!!!!!!!!

• Israel is the only country on Earth that does not hold its soldiers accountable for shooting peace activists in cold blood

• No other country on Earth has towns and cities allocated exclusively for one ethnic group

• The only country on Earth, where people live in homes stolen from living refugees is, Israel

• The only place on Earth where people cultivate fields stolen from living refugees is, Israel

• Israel has the highest number of towns built upon ethnically cleansed villages, whose former residents are living refugees

• Israel ranks amongst the top countries in lack of security
53 COMMANDMENTS OF THE NEWWORLDORDER .

Straight to the point there. You can add to that the decline in Christians in the area which at one time was nearly 20%. Even Bethlehem was at one time almost all Christian apart from about less than 10% and today Christian cleansing has reduced that to about 15%. Israel isa great place for getting rid of people or taking places over so I dare say they would fill the tower no problem. Zionism is alive and well but it does not reflect what Judaism is about. You have said much which is true there.

Nice unsourced copypasta.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel was established upon the ruins of another nation that it destroyed; Palestine

Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

Either way, there was no such nation.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel hold the world record in the number of towns & villages it ethnically cleansed...500+

Sure, and I've been on the moon.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel holds the world record in the number of refugees it deported...4 million +

If we assume that's true, deported still spells major moral superiority refugees (or just regular citizens) killed.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel holds the world record in the number of homes it demolished...60 thousand +

And there I thought the US probably held the record, if only thanks to Hiroshima.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the country with the highest record of UN condemnation...500+ times

Meanwhile countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia block any kind of condemnation of Hamas, while actively contributing to such. Regardless of whether the number is correct, the situation is ludicrous.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the country with the highest number of protective US Security council vetoes...100+ times

And right they are.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel has killed more innocent civilians per capita than any other country...50 thousand+

Hamas, of course, barely killed anyone at all.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel has imprisoned more civilians per capita than any other country...250 thousand+

• Israel has rendered more innocent civilians handicapped per capita than any other country...50 thousand+

• Israel has injured more innocent civilians per capita than any other country...200 thousand+

I bet the handicapped number includes Hamas victims.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that denies the right of return of refugees

Dream on.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that still occupies a whole other country & parts of two other countries

Sure, let's ignore China.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that publicly, steals the water of its neighbors

And how exactly does one do that?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that has legalized home demolishing as a method of collective punishment

• Israel is the only country on Earth that uproots trees as a method of collective punishment

Those poor terrorists, having their bomb labs destroyed.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that deliberately targets civilian infrastructure and justifies it

I must've been dreaming the targeting of infrastructure to hinder the movement of Saddam's troops (and also the same vice versa) back in '03.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that legalized assassination

The lack of which has always stopped other countries' security services from performing assassinations. Did I mention the moral high ground?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel stands unique in using human shields in military operations

I could only find Arab references to support this claim.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Amongst all countries, Israel is the only one that has legalized torture

If a country has Sharia law (like, say, Saudi Arabia), it has legalizedprescribed torture. But of course it's only torture if non-Muslims do it. I wonder if it's even torture.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that builds illegal settlements in occupied lands

Yup, China (for example) did absolutely none of that.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that publicly jails activists without trial

The definition of jail makes that highly unlikely.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Israel has created the highest number of checkpoints

So?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Israel holds the world record in the number of curfew it has installed on the Palestinians

They're not allowed to have lights on in case allied bombers decide to drop bombs on them?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth whose checkpoints deny women access to hospitals, they give birth alone and babies usually die

Yeah, absolutely no Somalians died at the Kenyan border. Not saying that isn't bad (if true), but most of these only, highest number, etc. claims are obvious nonsense.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is exceptional in being the only country on Earth whose checkpoints denies patients access to hospitals, and they end up dying

• Israel is the only country on Earth whose checkpoints are where wedding parades come to an end

• Israel is the only country on Earth who check points schoolchildren, denies them access to school, and puts an end to their classes

Same again. Bad or not, certainly not the only country on earth.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is one of two countries that, against International Law, use cluster bombs and depleted uranium bombs. America is the other...what a surprise huh?

Hezbollah uses Chinese cluster bombs against Israel. Oh wait, that's not a country, merely the organization that runs Lebanon.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel holds the world record in the number of soldiers refusing to serve in the army

Then again, their family isn't killed for not participating.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel despite being a rich country, receives the highest financial aid, more than the sum aid to all sub-Saharan Africa!

Is that financial aid or financial aid in natura (i.e. military equipment).

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel claims its enemies want to wipe it off the map, but it has indeed wiped a whole country called Palestine off the map!

Nonsense. See above.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the country that has introduced nuclear weapons into the Middle East. But the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty

Iran being someplace outside the Middle East.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• After East Germany, Israel is the only country that is building a segregation wall

Ever heard of the Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall, etc.? History fail. Again, it's still wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that all of this is bollocks.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Second to South Africa, Israel is the only country to establish an apartheid regime

Ever heard of slaves, parias, etc.? Come on.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first iron gates on roads

Before the DDR/USSR did, and as if those were the first to do it? I find that highly questionable, especially given the rest of this list.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first cities turned into jails with gates and opening hours

That's what the ghettos during the Holocaust were like initially iirc. History fail again.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first apartheid walls

What's this, combining two earlier statements to come up with something that may be less likely to be false?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first electrified segregation fences

Sure, and I developed the world's first electric razor.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first 'eyes specific' rubber bullets

Whatever that means, better a rubber bullet than a real bullet, no?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first abortion efficient, infant killing tear gas

Yeah, right. No other tear gas ever developed ever had unintended consequences on the weaker.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first humiliation guaranteed human cages

Meaning what? A return to medieval cage design? How would that be the first, again?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that still has racist laws that discriminate against native citizens (Palestinians)

Try being a non-Muslim in, say, Saudi Arabia or Iran. It occurs to me that some of these "only country on earth" falsehoods may actually apply if you discard all Muslim nations, although in this case that'd probably still be a completely ludicrous claim.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth known to have a memorial dedicated to a terrorist where his followers gather and dance

And I live in the only country known to have chocolate. Tunnel vision is bliss.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that imprisons kids for political reasons

I bet kids means 16-18, if true. And the only part speaks for itself...

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth where you get a one month community service for intentionally, smashing the head of a child! How much more proof do people need to see that Israel is a terrorist nation?????!!!!!!!!!!

Some sources with more details for one thing.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that does not hold its soldiers accountable for shooting peace activists in cold blood

Ah, there's that only thing again.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• No other country on Earth has towns and cities allocated exclusively for one ethnic group

Sure, sure.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• The only country on Earth, where people live in homes stolen from living refugees is, Israel

Indeed, that hasn't happened anywhere else. Ever. In the whole universe.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• The only place on Earth where people cultivate fields stolen from living refugees is, Israel

Fields come with the houses, I suppose.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel has the highest number of towns built upon ethnically cleansed villages, whose former residents are living refugees

So the homes stolen are homes razed and then rebuilt?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel ranks amongst the top countries in lack of security

Say what?

Oh yeah, here's a fun link that corresponds to my own reading of a certain book. http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Nice unsourced copypasta.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel was established upon the ruins of another nation that it destroyed; Palestine

Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

Either way, there was no such nation.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel hold the world record in the number of towns & villages it ethnically cleansed...500+

Sure, and I've been on the moon.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel holds the world record in the number of refugees it deported...4 million +

If we assume that's true, deported still spells major moral superiority refugees (or just regular citizens) killed.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel holds the world record in the number of homes it demolished...60 thousand +

And there I thought the US probably held the record, if only thanks to Hiroshima.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the country with the highest record of UN condemnation...500+ times

Meanwhile countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia block any kind of condemnation of Hamas, while actively contributing to such. Regardless of whether the number is correct, the situation is ludicrous.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the country with the highest number of protective US Security council vetoes...100+ times

And right they are.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel has killed more innocent civilians per capita than any other country...50 thousand+

Hamas, of course, barely killed anyone at all.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel has imprisoned more civilians per capita than any other country...250 thousand+

• Israel has rendered more innocent civilians handicapped per capita than any other country...50 thousand+

• Israel has injured more innocent civilians per capita than any other country...200 thousand+

I bet the handicapped number includes Hamas victims.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that denies the right of return of refugees

Dream on.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that still occupies a whole other country & parts of two other countries

Sure, let's ignore China.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that publicly, steals the water of its neighbors

And how exactly does one do that?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that has legalized home demolishing as a method of collective punishment

• Israel is the only country on Earth that uproots trees as a method of collective punishment

Those poor terrorists, having their bomb labs destroyed.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that deliberately targets civilian infrastructure and justifies it

I must've been dreaming the targeting of infrastructure to hinder the movement of Saddam's troops (and also the same vice versa) back in '03.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that legalized assassination

The lack of which has always stopped other countries' security services from performing assassinations. Did I mention the moral high ground?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel stands unique in using human shields in military operations

I could only find Arab references to support this claim.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Amongst all countries, Israel is the only one that has legalized torture

If a country has Sharia law (like, say, Saudi Arabia), it has legalizedprescribed torture. But of course it's only torture if non-Muslims do it. I wonder if it's even torture.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that builds illegal settlements in occupied lands

Yup, China (for example) did absolutely none of that.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that publicly jails activists without trial

The definition of jail makes that highly unlikely.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Israel has created the highest number of checkpoints

So?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Israel holds the world record in the number of curfew it has installed on the Palestinians

They're not allowed to have lights on in case allied bombers decide to drop bombs on them?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth whose checkpoints deny women access to hospitals, they give birth alone and babies usually die

Yeah, absolutely no Somalians died at the Kenyan border. Not saying that isn't bad (if true), but most of these only, highest number, etc. claims are obvious nonsense.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is exceptional in being the only country on Earth whose checkpoints denies patients access to hospitals, and they end up dying

• Israel is the only country on Earth whose checkpoints are where wedding parades come to an end

• Israel is the only country on Earth who check points schoolchildren, denies them access to school, and puts an end to their classes

Same again. Bad or not, certainly not the only country on earth.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is one of two countries that, against International Law, use cluster bombs and depleted uranium bombs. America is the other...what a surprise huh?

Hezbollah uses Chinese cluster bombs against Israel. Oh wait, that's not a country, merely the organization that runs Lebanon.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel holds the world record in the number of soldiers refusing to serve in the army

Then again, their family isn't killed for not participating.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel despite being a rich country, receives the highest financial aid, more than the sum aid to all sub-Saharan Africa!

Is that financial aid or financial aid in natura (i.e. military equipment).

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel claims its enemies want to wipe it off the map, but it has indeed wiped a whole country called Palestine off the map!

Nonsense. See above.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the country that has introduced nuclear weapons into the Middle East. But the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty

Iran being someplace outside the Middle East.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• After East Germany, Israel is the only country that is building a segregation wall

Ever heard of the Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall, etc.? History fail. Again, it's still wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that all of this is bollocks.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Second to South Africa, Israel is the only country to establish an apartheid regime

Ever heard of slaves, parias, etc.? Come on.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first iron gates on roads

Before the DDR/USSR did, and as if those were the first to do it? I find that highly questionable, especially given the rest of this list.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first cities turned into jails with gates and opening hours

That's what the ghettos during the Holocaust were like initially iirc. History fail again.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first apartheid walls

What's this, combining two earlier statements to come up with something that may be less likely to be false?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first electrified segregation fences

Sure, and I developed the world's first electric razor.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first 'eyes specific' rubber bullets

Whatever that means, better a rubber bullet than a real bullet, no?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first abortion efficient, infant killing tear gas

Yeah, right. No other tear gas ever developed ever had unintended consequences on the weaker.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israeli engineers developed the worlds' first humiliation guaranteed human cages

Meaning what? A return to medieval cage design? How would that be the first, again?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that still has racist laws that discriminate against native citizens (Palestinians)

Try being a non-Muslim in, say, Saudi Arabia or Iran. It occurs to me that some of these "only country on earth" falsehoods may actually apply if you discard all Muslim nations, although in this case that'd probably still be a completely ludicrous claim.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth known to have a memorial dedicated to a terrorist where his followers gather and dance

And I live in the only country known to have chocolate. Tunnel vision is bliss.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that imprisons kids for political reasons

I bet kids means 16-18, if true. And the only part speaks for itself...

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth where you get a one month community service for intentionally, smashing the head of a child! How much more proof do people need to see that Israel is a terrorist nation?????!!!!!!!!!!

Some sources with more details for one thing.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel is the only country on Earth that does not hold its soldiers accountable for shooting peace activists in cold blood

Ah, there's that only thing again.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• No other country on Earth has towns and cities allocated exclusively for one ethnic group

Sure, sure.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• The only country on Earth, where people live in homes stolen from living refugees is, Israel

Indeed, that hasn't happened anywhere else. Ever. In the whole universe.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• The only place on Earth where people cultivate fields stolen from living refugees is, Israel

Fields come with the houses, I suppose.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel has the highest number of towns built upon ethnically cleansed villages, whose former residents are living refugees

So the homes stolen are homes razed and then rebuilt?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

• Israel ranks amongst the top countries in lack of security

Say what?

Oh yeah, here's a fun link that corresponds to my own reading of a certain book. http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html

ewwwwwwwwwww who rattled your cage

1. Traffic in Gaza is better managed since the Hamas police force gives people the appearance of toughness and willingness to do anything to enforce the law. Drivers and cabbies now respect the traffic laws. They complain too much, but the city is a lot easier to navigate for pedestrians and drivers under the control of the bearded officers. It’s true they have few random control checkpoints here and there and guns on every corner, but the fruits of their labor are enjoyed by all Palestinians in Gaza. This often the reason Hamas supporters share to credit the Hamas government.

2. Markets are better organized. Trying to go to the market before was at your own risk–too many vendors, crowded and narrow streets, constant fights between street vendors…chaos. Hamas police forces took control of the markets and anyone who does not obey the law, they beat them up on the spot. They made examples of a few vendors and since then everybody does what they are told. Under the previous administration, if a policeman roughed up a guy for violating the law, then the guy could get his family to beat up the officer and no one would care. Try beating up a Hamas officer and see if anyone will ever find you.

3. In Gaza large families who intimidate others have been broken and subdued. In the past, and during Fatah control of Gaza, large clans in Gaza bragged about how many weapons and ammo they could get ready if a fight broke out with a member of their clan. In other words, those few families even intimidated the government. Hamas said, “We are not going to take this!” In the first faceoff with those clans, Hamas threw whatever guns and man power they had to break the will of those clans and they did just that. Since most leaders in Hamas come from small families, the assault on large clans makes sense. Now size no longer matters in Gaza. Said Syyam, the former Hamas Minister of Interior successfully spearheaded this front.

4. Dubious financial transactions and frauds are kept to a minimum. As my dad and siblings own several businesses in Gaza, I can tell you that in the past people can write you a check with no credit and once the check bounced, you weren’t able to collect your money because they legal system did not enforce the law it made. Hamas now says if anyone of those guys does not pay you the money, come to us and we will make sure you get your money. My dad tells me that if he takes a returned check to the proper authorities, the first thing they will do is put the person who issued the check in jail for 21 days. It gets worse after that.

5. Debt collection is easier under the new government. Dad tells me that if a member of the Hamas government does not pay when he says he will pay and dad files a complaint against him/her then the government will garnish the debtor’s paycheck and pay the debt collector right away. If the person is not affiliated with the government, the Hamas guys will call him and ask him to pay. If he does not pay, they ask him to come in. By then most people pay up. Dad brags about how he uses this service regularly. He says most people who like to be seen with Hamas guys are afraid of being punished by Ramallah government who fires and cuts the salaries of any employee of theirs who has contact or has been perceived as such dad does not mind it as he is retired and frequently disses Hamas.

6. Taxi services function 24/7 due to the increased security. This is the one service I enjoy the most in Gaza. Taxi offices are spread all over the narrow Strip. Now we can spend all day and night on the beach or visiting family and know that we can get a ride anytime. This service would not flourish if the sense of security and safety did not exist. Under the previous government, this taxi service late at night was not an option. Random gunmen were seen throughout the night and fear was all around.

7. Random killing is kept to minimum because any unauthorized use of firearms is investigated and punished. In the late years of the previous government, Gaza was a replica of the Wild Wild West. People get killed for no reason and no one knows who fired. People used to lose their lives for being in the wrong places the wrong time or for just being themselves. Nowadays, every time one uses a gun, it gets reported to the police who take it seriously (I suppose Hamas does not want Fatah guys carrying firearms). If you shoot a gun you better be a policeman or have a compelling reason for doing so. The only people who have arms other than the police are the Palestinian resistance groups–mainly Islamic Jihad.

8. The Gaza beach is now a place where families can actually enjoy themselves, as opposed to the past where a few jerks harassed any female that went into the water. It used to bother me to see young men changing their clothes in public in front of kids and women. This is no longer a major problem. For example, I swam last summer with my fiancé and no one harassed us–maybe because it was dark. In the past we would have more personal freedom, but that also means others would have had more personal freedom to harass us–mainly her. Now, anytime you complain of the improper conduct of the youngsters, they take it seriously. To be honest, we had to take our IDs and rings in case an extremist element of Hamas wanted to make sure we are Halal.

9. Hamas has done a better job in embracing technology in governing. In Gaza, many government services can be done online. No need to stand in a long line, eliminating the uncertainty and promoting transparency. There are few government services that can be delivered to cellphones to save people the commute where limited gas is a problem. It seems that smaller groups are quicker to embrace new technologies. That perhaps explains why Hamas has a superior and an extensive media arm than Fatah.
10. Favoritism is kept to minimum, or so it seams… Gaza is like the rest of Palestine and like the rest of the third world. An area where people count on friends and relatives to push their case on their behalf. Hamas has managed to stay above the fray by simply ignoring requests to play favorites. Obviously not all Hamas officials are saints, there is abuse, but anytime an abuse is reported people lose their jobs. I think this is largely due to religious convictions and to a lesser extent Hamas’ intentions to be different than Fatah. I had a young Fatah activist tell me about Fatah “In the past, they used hire women who do not have many work related experiences”, “they only need to show some cleavage and legs and they are hired Manager C level”, “Now, this does not fly with them” This is true to a certain degree, but I think now a mosque connection can help get you a job with Hamas.
10 things HAMAS got right

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

10 things HAMAS got right

Source

It would be nice if you gave your sources, Juggalo1.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

ewwwwwwwwwww who rattled your cage

My bs detector did. If the list had simply said "Israel does this and that" (preferably with sources), without claiming Israel to be the only, the first, etc., that might've been a different matter.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

...willingness to do anything to enforce the law... It’s true they have few random control checkpoints here and there and guns on every corner, but the fruits of their labor are enjoyed by all Palestinians in Gaza.

Yeah, sorry. Doesn't sound better than here in the slightest bit. If it's meant to say "compared to Israel" rather than "compared to the rest of the world," then this is contradictory with the former list. Of course it's all about compared to before Hamas, but the list is entitled "Ten Things Hamas Got Right," not "Ten Things Hamas Does Better Than The Previous Government."

2. Markets are better organized. Trying to go to the market before was at your own risk–too many vendors, crowded and narrow streets, constant fights between street vendors…chaos. Hamas police forces took control of the markets and anyone who does not obey the law, they beat them up on the spot. They made examples of a few vendors and since then everybody does what they are told. Under the previous administration, if a policeman roughed up a guy for violating the law, then the guy could get his family to beat up the officer and no one would care. Try beating up a Hamas officer and see if anyone will ever find you.

Sounds marginally better, but only on account of the previous situation being worse.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

3. In Gaza large families who intimidate others have been broken and subdued. In the past, and during Fatah control of Gaza, large clans in Gaza bragged about how many weapons and ammo they could get ready if a fight broke out with a member of their clan. In other words, those few families even intimidated the government. Hamas said, “We are not going to take this!” In the first faceoff with those clans, Hamas threw whatever guns and man power they had to break the will of those clans and they did just that. Since most leaders in Hamas come from small families, the assault on large clans makes sense. Now size no longer matters in Gaza. Said Syyam, the former Hamas Minister of Interior successfully spearheaded this front.

So basically Hamas removed the competition.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

4. Dubious financial transactions and frauds are kept to a minimum. As my dad and siblings own several businesses in Gaza, I can tell you that in the past people can write you a check with no credit and once the check bounced, you weren’t able to collect your money because they legal system did not enforce the law it made. Hamas now says if anyone of those guys does not pay you the money, come to us and we will make sure you get your money. My dad tells me that if he takes a returned check to the proper authorities, the first thing they will do is put the person who issued the check in jail for 21 days. It gets worse after that.

Of course, the previous government couldn't or could barely enforce the law because Hamas was stopping them iirc.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

6. Taxi services function 24/7 due to the increased security. This is the one service I enjoy the most in Gaza. Taxi offices are spread all over the narrow Strip. Now we can spend all day and night on the beach or visiting family and know that we can get a ride anytime. This service would not flourish if the sense of security and safety did not exist. Under the previous government, this taxi service late at night was not an option. Random gunmen were seen throughout the night and fear was all around.

That's good - if the random gunmen weren't Hamas, anyway.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

7. Random killing is kept to minimum because any unauthorized use of firearms is investigated and punished. In the late years of the previous government, Gaza was a replica of the Wild Wild West. People get killed for no reason and no one knows who fired. People used to lose their lives for being in the wrong places the wrong time or for just being themselves. Nowadays, every time one uses a gun, it gets reported to the police who take it seriously (I suppose Hamas does not want Fatah guys carrying firearms). If you shoot a gun you better be a policeman or have a compelling reason for doing so. The only people who have arms other than the police are the Palestinian resistance groups–mainly Islamic Jihad.

A policeMAN (no women allowed?) doesn't need a proper reason for shooting someone? Lovely.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

8. The Gaza beach is now a place where families can actually enjoy themselves, as opposed to the past where a few jerks harassed any female that went into the water. It used to bother me to see young men changing their clothes in public in front of kids and women.

Ever consider the person bothered by a few seconds of nudity might be the one with the problem? If that's an example of harassing, it's a horrible one.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

For example, I swam last summer with my fiancé and no one harassed us–maybe because it was dark.

Aha! The naked people weren't visible to culprit's eye.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

In the past we would have more personal freedom, but that also means others would have had more personal freedom to harass us–mainly her. Now, anytime you complain of the improper conduct of the youngsters, they take it seriously. To be honest, we had to take our IDs and rings in case an extremist element of Hamas wanted to make sure we are Halal.

This sounds like the kind of thing where the rape victim is the one that gets punished for being raped. How is that better?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

9. Hamas has done a better job in embracing technology in governing. In Gaza, many government services can be done online. No need to stand in a long line, eliminating the uncertainty and promoting transparency. There are few government services that can be delivered to cellphones to save people the commute where limited gas is a problem. It seems that smaller groups are quicker to embrace new technologies. That perhaps explains why Hamas has a superior and an extensive media arm than Fatah.

Yay, the 21st (or late 20th) century actually has a spot on this list!

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

10. Favoritism is kept to minimum, or so it seams… Gaza is like the rest of Palestine and like the rest of the third world. An area where people count on friends and relatives to push their case on their behalf. Hamas has managed to stay above the fray by simply ignoring requests to play favorites. Obviously not all Hamas officials are saints, there is abuse, but anytime an abuse is reported people lose their jobs. I think this is largely due to religious convictions and to a lesser extent Hamas’ intentions to be different than Fatah. I had a young Fatah activist tell me about Fatah “In the past, they used hire women who do not have many work related experiences”, “they only need to show some cleavage and legs and they are hired Manager C level”, “Now, this does not fly with them” This is true to a certain degree, but I think now a mosque connection can help get you a job with Hamas.

Wait, even the pro-Hamas author has doubts? I think we can safely scratch this one. If anything, it sounds like misogyny has taken over. All the women only got their jobs because of how they looked, not due to their merits. Of course, if you're a misogynist, then you would classify that as better...

Damn! make the posts short. Atlest think about the guys who visit this forum from Opera Mini and other mobile browsers

Have a cephalopod to make things better.

Originally posted by string:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

10 things HAMAS got right

Source

It would be nice if you gave your sources, Juggalo1.

http://www.kabobfest.com/2010/01/ten-things-hamas-got-right-in-gaza.html

Don't know where she got hers, but it's available at the above address.

We seem to agree on that one Jaybro!

Originally posted by string:

We seem to agree on that one Jaybro!

Damn! I didn't see your link. Senility is a blessing.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by string:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

10 things HAMAS got right

Source

It would be nice if you gave your sources, Juggalo1.

http://www.kabobfest.com/2010/01/ten-things-hamas-got-right-in-gaza.html

Don't know where she got hers, but it's available at the above address.

its my site remember im anti zionist remember pro islamic and pro palestinian and a litttle jew:D what i take from my chronicles is nothing to do with you lot u can feel free how ever to search where but then the site maybe be ours anyway .

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

ewwwwwwwwwww who rattled your cage

My bs detector did. If the list had simply said "Israel does this and that" (preferably with sources), without claiming Israel to be the only, the first, etc., that might've been a different matter.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

...willingness to do anything to enforce the law... It’s true they have few random control checkpoints here and there and guns on every corner, but the fruits of their labor are enjoyed by all Palestinians in Gaza.

Yeah, sorry. Doesn't sound better than here in the slightest bit. If it's meant to say "compared to Israel" rather than "compared to the rest of the world," then this is contradictory with the former list. Of course it's all about compared to before Hamas, but the list is entitled "Ten Things Hamas Got Right," not "Ten Things Hamas Does Better Than The Previous Government."

2. Markets are better organized. Trying to go to the market before was at your own risk–too many vendors, crowded and narrow streets, constant fights between street vendors…chaos. Hamas police forces took control of the markets and anyone who does not obey the law, they beat them up on the spot. They made examples of a few vendors and since then everybody does what they are told. Under the previous administration, if a policeman roughed up a guy for violating the law, then the guy could get his family to beat up the officer and no one would care. Try beating up a Hamas officer and see if anyone will ever find you.

Sounds marginally better, but only on account of the previous situation being worse.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

3. In Gaza large families who intimidate others have been broken and subdued. In the past, and during Fatah control of Gaza, large clans in Gaza bragged about how many weapons and ammo they could get ready if a fight broke out with a member of their clan. In other words, those few families even intimidated the government. Hamas said, “We are not going to take this!” In the first faceoff with those clans, Hamas threw whatever guns and man power they had to break the will of those clans and they did just that. Since most leaders in Hamas come from small families, the assault on large clans makes sense. Now size no longer matters in Gaza. Said Syyam, the former Hamas Minister of Interior successfully spearheaded this front.

So basically Hamas removed the competition.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

4. Dubious financial transactions and frauds are kept to a minimum. As my dad and siblings own several businesses in Gaza, I can tell you that in the past people can write you a check with no credit and once the check bounced, you weren’t able to collect your money because they legal system did not enforce the law it made. Hamas now says if anyone of those guys does not pay you the money, come to us and we will make sure you get your money. My dad tells me that if he takes a returned check to the proper authorities, the first thing they will do is put the person who issued the check in jail for 21 days. It gets worse after that.

Of course, the previous government couldn't or could barely enforce the law because Hamas was stopping them iirc.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

6. Taxi services function 24/7 due to the increased security. This is the one service I enjoy the most in Gaza. Taxi offices are spread all over the narrow Strip. Now we can spend all day and night on the beach or visiting family and know that we can get a ride anytime. This service would not flourish if the sense of security and safety did not exist. Under the previous government, this taxi service late at night was not an option. Random gunmen were seen throughout the night and fear was all around.

That's good - if the random gunmen weren't Hamas, anyway.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

7. Random killing is kept to minimum because any unauthorized use of firearms is investigated and punished. In the late years of the previous government, Gaza was a replica of the Wild Wild West. People get killed for no reason and no one knows who fired. People used to lose their lives for being in the wrong places the wrong time or for just being themselves. Nowadays, every time one uses a gun, it gets reported to the police who take it seriously (I suppose Hamas does not want Fatah guys carrying firearms). If you shoot a gun you better be a policeman or have a compelling reason for doing so. The only people who have arms other than the police are the Palestinian resistance groups–mainly Islamic Jihad.

A policeMAN (no women allowed?) doesn't need a proper reason for shooting someone? Lovely.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

8. The Gaza beach is now a place where families can actually enjoy themselves, as opposed to the past where a few jerks harassed any female that went into the water. It used to bother me to see young men changing their clothes in public in front of kids and women.

Ever consider the person bothered by a few seconds of nudity might be the one with the problem? If that's an example of harassing, it's a horrible one.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

For example, I swam last summer with my fiancé and no one harassed us–maybe because it was dark.

Aha! The naked people weren't visible to culprit's eye.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

In the past we would have more personal freedom, but that also means others would have had more personal freedom to harass us–mainly her. Now, anytime you complain of the improper conduct of the youngsters, they take it seriously. To be honest, we had to take our IDs and rings in case an extremist element of Hamas wanted to make sure we are Halal.

This sounds like the kind of thing where the rape victim is the one that gets punished for being raped. How is that better?

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

9. Hamas has done a better job in embracing technology in governing. In Gaza, many government services can be done online. No need to stand in a long line, eliminating the uncertainty and promoting transparency. There are few government services that can be delivered to cellphones to save people the commute where limited gas is a problem. It seems that smaller groups are quicker to embrace new technologies. That perhaps explains why Hamas has a superior and an extensive media arm than Fatah.

Yay, the 21st (or late 20th) century actually has a spot on this list!

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

10. Favoritism is kept to minimum, or so it seams… Gaza is like the rest of Palestine and like the rest of the third world. An area where people count on friends and relatives to push their case on their behalf. Hamas has managed to stay above the fray by simply ignoring requests to play favorites. Obviously not all Hamas officials are saints, there is abuse, but anytime an abuse is reported people lose their jobs. I think this is largely due to religious convictions and to a lesser extent Hamas’ intentions to be different than Fatah. I had a young Fatah activist tell me about Fatah “In the past, they used hire women who do not have many work related experiences”, “they only need to show some cleavage and legs and they are hired Manager C level”, “Now, this does not fly with them” This is true to a certain degree, but I think now a mosque connection can help get you a job with Hamas.

Wait, even the pro-Hamas author has doubts? I think we can safely scratch this one. If anything, it sounds like misogyny has taken over. All the women only got their jobs because of how they looked, not due to their merits. Of course, if you're a misogynist, then you would classify that as better...

got you writing though did it not

1. Allah is God
2. The biggest sin in Islam is shirk: "associating partners with God."
3. Muslims don't believe that Jesus was the son of God
4. Muslims don't worship the Prophet Muhammad
5. Translations of the Qur'an are not the Qur'an.
6. Not all Muslims are Arabs; not all Arabs are Muslims.
7. Culture is not religion
8. Islam is not a monolith
9. Jihad does not mean "holy war."
10. Islam does not promote, sponsor, condone or encourage terrorism or murder.
MISCONCEPTION #6:
The Nation of Islam is a Muslim group.

Islam and the so called”Nation of Islam'" are two different religions. NOI is more of a political organization since its members are not limited to a single faith. Muslims consider this group to be just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain. The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used by both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should be called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis Farrakhan. Islam and Farakhanism differ in many fundamental ways. For example, Farrakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man' was the original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of God, the only difference being in one's piety. There are many other theological examples that show the 'Nation's teachings have little to do with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims. Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find the true Islam.
The only two authentic sources which bind every Muslim are 1: The Qur’an and 2: authentic or sound Hadith. Any teachings under the label of "Islam" which contradict or at variance with the direct understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam form the Qur’an and authentic Hadith should be rejected and such a religion should be considered a Pseudo-Islamic Cult. And those differences between existing schools of thought and the major divisions in the faith Islam must always refer back to the true source… the Qur’an.
In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam. Such an example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam but Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion, Islam. In fact Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam.
taken from my chronicles but feel free to search you then may find out who really is who i am

The mosque in Ground zero should never be built never never ,its a front for the new world order they are not muslims but the devils followers to control and manupilate minds ,by doing this mosque they are succuming to him and wil worship him not Allah ,may it burn .

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

The mosque in Ground zero should never be built never never ,its a front for the new world order they are not muslims but the devils followers to control and manupilate minds ,by doing this mosque they are succuming to him and wil worship him not Allah ,may it burn .

Thanks for that update from Cloud Cuckoo Land and the New Punctuation&Spelling Kamp.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

The mosque in Ground zero should never be built never never ,its a front for the new world order they are not muslims but the devils followers to control and manupilate minds ,by doing this mosque they are succuming to him and wil worship him not Allah ,may it burn .

Say what?

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

The mosque in Ground zero should never be built never never ,its a front for the new world order they are not muslims but the devils followers to control and manupilate minds ,by doing this mosque they are succuming to him and wil worship him not Allah ,may it burn .

Thanks for that update from Cloud Cuckoo Land and the New Punctuation&Spelling Kamp.

deary we dont meet to your standards awww go drink yourself in a swanny .

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

The mosque in Ground zero should never be built never never ,its a front for the new world order they are not muslims but the devils followers to control and manupilate minds ,by doing this mosque they are succuming to him and wil worship him not Allah ,may it burn .

Say what?

thats what i said i hope it burns its not even Islamic its funded for the elite .
personaly who really gives a damn we all going to perish even you :clown:

But wasn't the New World Order the evil Jewish conspiracy?

Originally posted by Frenzie:

But wasn't the New World Order the evil Jewish conspiracy?

no zionist two different lines ,Part of islam has been distorted into this castrophy of events and will perish in the end when the true Ummah which is undecover silently rising ...i cannot wait .

Originally posted by Jaybro:

The problem might be that it isn't necessarily about countries but about people for whom country means nothing. When your God calls for jihad, you may have to act without presidential approval.

There is a contest of ideology. it is an undeclared war, The Islamist are counting on blurring the definition of combatants and non combatants, the definition of state and non state. Some are going berserk and killing their fellow citizens in the Jihad. An Army Major kills nine fellow soldiers, Two army recruiters are killed in the South. An attack on Fort Dix... The American public is suspect to the fiction that these acts of terrorism are non related acts. A close look is being given to the ideology of the people carrying out these acts. Islam is both a political idealogical as well as a religion.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

The mosque in Ground zero should never be built never never

Islamic scholars claim that Islam does not make a distinction between religion and politics. It would not be a smart move for Muslims to exercise their right to build the Mosque to celebrate their "victory'. near ground zero. The move will cost Islam much of the remaining good faith harbored by Americans. Osama bin Ladin is the most admired person in the Islamic world, Many Muslims rushed out in the streets to celebrate the 911 "victory". Many Americans will view the Mosque as a reminder of Muslim intent and sincerity.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Part of islam has been distorted into this castrophy of events and will perish in the end when the true Ummah which is undecover silently rising ...i cannot wait .

Neither can the Shiites. Of a certainty is that when Iran finally makes it's move. Islams future will be decided one way or the other.

Every time some Islamist nut job blows people up or ,mains the apologists tell us this is not true Muslim but millions around the world celebrate these nut jobs. Don't we remember the celebrations at the time of 9/11? We took in legions of people - Pakistanis for example and look what we found emanating from this tolerance - home grown fanatic crackers determined to kill. Anything outside of Islam is nothing whether it is attacking the country that takes them in and allows them freedom or double standards in morality. America is finding or at least some over there may be coming to realise that they are having home grown terrorism being created inside not from somewhere else. That is what we have.

Moderate Islam is riding tigers on it's back and those tigers are out to conquer the world. Trouble across Europe (which they are happy to live in to make a life) only to wish it away is typical of the thinking. It's rise in the UK and Europe will see in the future much trouble as it cannot adequately live side by side with the idea of democracy or fairness. Moderates may espouse such but right across the globe these hard nosed religious fanatics are determined to be masters. Bombing and killing means nothing o them as we are infidels beyond the pale therefor to be squashed. The West has created a rod to beat it's back by having a fifth column that is growing and as it grows it will increase it's demands. That two-faced morality shows itself in wanting to be treated specially and by Heavens when power is near them just wait and see what will happen.

The last space will be left open just in case.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

One World Trade Center will be open in 2013, and the Transit Hub will open in 2014. One WTC will ultimately have 105 floors.
Given 9/11 realities, would you be willing to rent office space?

Frankly, I think the owners should paint a giant bulls-eye at the 100 floor level.

As long as it is not a Catholic Hospital or Schools. And forbid a Church of any kind

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

thats what i said i hope it burns its not even Islamic its funded for the elite .
personaly who really gives a damn we all going to perish even you

it is good to have an honest to goodness Islamic apologist on the forum. Most Islamics posting on Opera claim to be atheists so that their abusive posts will not a bad reflection on Islam. It has always been one of my contentions that non-Muslims need to understand the honest Islamic position, from the Islamic perspective and Islamic values in order to coexist.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Moderate Islam is riding tigers on it's back and those tigers are out to conquer the world.

Islam is the political, the religious and a lifestyle unified with a goal to use whatever means possible to subdue the world. The religion, the political and the lifestyle cannot be separated. In the western world the political, religious and lifestyle are semi autonomous entities. it is incredible how many westerners claim that they want to learn about non western culture, while at the same time impart their values to interpret and classify a non western culture.

Originally posted by grysmn:

it is good to have an honest to goodness Islamic apologist on the forum.

Why is that my son? You are the resident knowledge base of Islam.
You still believe that the deity of Islam (my cousin) is the moon god, when he is not.

Originally posted by grysmn:

Most Islamics posting on Opera claim to be atheists so that their abusive posts will not a bad reflection on Islam.

Yet you consider yourself a Christian. What gives, my son?

Originally posted by grysmn:

It has always been one of my contentions that non-Muslims need to understand the honest Islamic position, from the Islamic perspective and Islamic values in order to coexist.

Did not thou also contend that 99% of the world was religious, without giving supporting facts for that statement?

Originally posted by grysmn:

Islam is the political, the religious and a lifestyle unified with a goal to use whatever means possible to subdue the world.

You are partly right my son.
However, it is not just Islam's wish, it is the 3 Abrahamic religions as a whole whose goal is such.

Do you believe in your Noodley Father, my son?

Originally posted by grysmn:

The religion, the political and the lifestyle cannot be separated.

Are you referring to US religion and politics as well?

Originally posted by classicdenny77:

As long as it is not a Catholic Hospital or Schools. And forbid a Church of any kind

You're worried about the paucity of Catholic schools? Why? Is there a law involved that I don't know about?