Nigeria's political stuation. What's the way forward?

Nigeria's political stuation. What's the way forward?

Mr Goodluck Jonathan is the Excecutive President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and he declared his intension of running for election for the second time. Does he has agenda and is he compitent to rule once more

seriously?? some poster here cant even point to Nigeria on a map. okay there is a 9ja forum that is created specifically for Nigeria related issues. am sure you will get your answers there.

You can also Ask RJhowie, he is the expert on Nigeria case.

I did not realize that President Jonathen Goodluck was elected a first time. It is my understanding that he succeeded an incapacitated president.

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Does he has agenda and is he compitent to rule once more

The incapacitated former president certainly was not competent due to his failed health.

Aye, aye and they wouldn't even tell the people what the illness was nor would they divulge much else. The government closed ranks and people were expected to shut up and mind their own business.Funny kind of democracy but there again it's Africa. Fair enough dear jivelissie (?!).

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Aye, aye and they wouldn't even tell the people what the illness was nor would they divulge much else. The government closed ranks and people were expected to shut up and mind their own business.Funny kind of democracy but there again it's Africa. Fair enough dear jivelissie (?!).

your point being? you don't have any

@ danbuzu 1. As gysm correctly corrected you Goodluck J. never contested any election. This is his first
2. Yes he has an agenda; Definitely not like the 7pointlesss agenda of his predecessor.
3. If he is competent? More than all the rest! Why? Because he is the only Nigeria pres. With a sound ideology and a strong passion for the development of the country, the only president in the history of the country with little or no criticism from the people. The only presidential candidate without a foreign bank account or asset. And also because we are tired of a sect of northerners with the ideology that the leadership of Nigeria is their birth right.
4. Who else is better than Goodluck in the presidential race? Even his name tells it all

Originally posted by jivelissie:

seriously?? some poster here cant even point to Nigeria on a map. okay there is a 9ja forum that is created specifically for Nigeria related issues. am sure you will get your answers there.

You can also Ask RJhowie, he is the expert on Nigeria case.

But D&D is not only for US/UK stuffs, but for all nations!

Originally posted by jivelissie:

seriously?? some poster here cant even point to Nigeria on a map. okay there is a 9ja forum that is created specifically for Nigeria related issues. am sure you will get your answers there.

You can also Ask RJhowie, he is the expert on Nigeria case.

But D&D is not only for US/UK stuffs, but for all nations!

Part of the reason for the reticence concerning the former Presidents illness is an agreement to alternate the presidency between a Muslim and non-Muslim during successive terms. The concern was that the Muslim and non-Muslim violence would escalate if the incapacitated Muslim president would be succeeded by a non-Muslim vice President during a designated Muslim term. A demonstration of President Goodlucks ability was his successful uncontested succession. A second demonstration of President Goodlucks competence is that the relative quiet of reports concerning Muslim and non-Muslim violence.

Are you trying to be daft johnogaziechi? A country where the President has an illness that stops him doing the job much of government was paralyzed succession problems while he held on to office though incapable. And on top of that refusing to tell the poor blighters of the electorate what he was unwell with? I think the point is obvious in that it is a damn funny way to run a country? You really have a nerve trying to make me appear negative!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Are you trying to be daft johnogaziechi? A country where the President has an illness that stops him doing the job much of government was paralyzed succession problems while he held on to office though incapable. And on top of that refusing to tell the poor blighters of the electorate what he was unwell with? I think the point is obvious in that it is a damn funny way to run a country? You really have a nerve trying to make me appear negative!

like I said a year before and I'd say again now: you're an angry old man, who results to name calling rather than rationality in arguments. I've meet a few of your types. Have you even read the title of the thread before posting irrationally. Ask yourself in your sane time the relationship between your pointless post on a dead ex president and the title of the thread on president Goodluck and his prospects in the upcoming election. Now sincerely ask yourself who's daft. whatever you drink before coming on d&d pls give it up!

Originally posted by grysmn:

Part of the reason for the reticence concerning the former Presidents illness is an agreement to alternate the presidency between a Muslim and non-Muslim during successive terms. The concern was that the Muslim and non-Muslim violence would escalate if the incapacitated Muslim president would be succeeded by a non-Muslim vice President during a designated Muslim term. A demonstration of President Goodlucks ability was his successful uncontested succession. A second demonstration of President Goodlucks competence is that the relative quiet of reports concerning Muslim and non-Muslim violence.

let me make some clarification here. the idea of rotating the pres. Is not based on religion at all but between the 6 geopolitical zones to allow all ethnic groups a chance at leadership (nigeria has over 220ethnic group). And please note that this agreement is just within the ruling party and is not legitimate or accepted by the Nigeria people at all. It might interest you to know that one of the well known northern and vast muslim states is presently governed by a christian. My point is that issues in Nigerian politics presently, isn't about north vs south or christian vs muslims, but about good vs evil. Thank you

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

@ danbuzu 1. As gysm correctly corrected you Goodluck J. never contested any election. This is his first
2. Yes he has an agenda; Definitely not like the 7pointlesss agenda of his predecessor.
3. If he is competent? More than all the rest! Why? Because he is the only Nigeria pres. With a sound ideology and a strong passion for the development of the country, the only president in the history of the country with little or no criticism from the people. The only presidential candidate without a foreign bank account or asset. And also because we are tired of a sect of northerners with the ideology that the leadership of Nigeria is their birth right.
4. Who else is better than Goodluck in the presidential race? Even his name tells it all

Please stop sectionalism!
Not only GEJ, even the way so-called PDP elders from the North nominated Mr Atiku Abubakar made me crazy

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

@ danbuzu 1. As gysm correctly corrected you Goodluck J. never contested any election. This is his first
2. Yes he has an agenda; Definitely not like the 7pointlesss agenda of his predecessor.
3. If he is competent? More than all the rest! Why? Because he is the only Nigeria pres. With a sound ideology and a strong passion for the development of the country, the only president in the history of the country with little or no criticism from the people. The only presidential candidate without a foreign bank account or asset. And also because we are tired of a sect of northerners with the ideology that the leadership of Nigeria is their birth right.
4. Who else is better than Goodluck in the presidential race? Even his name tells it all

Please stop sectionalism!
Not only GEJ, even the way so-called PDP elders from the North nominated Mr Atiku Abubakar made me crazy

the only way democracy can grow in nigeria is to stop sectionals. As for Atiku I think he was picked to witch hunt obasanjo

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

let me make some clarification here. the idea of rotating the pres. Is not based on religion at all but between the 6 geopolitical zones to allow all ethnic groups a chance at leadership (nigeria has over 220ethnic group). And please note that this agreement is just within the ruling party and is not legitimate or accepted by the Nigeria people at all. It might interest you to know that one of the well known northern and vast muslim states is presently governed by a christian. My point is that issues in Nigerian politics presently, isn't about north vs south or christian vs muslims, but about good vs evil. Thank you

Good point John, the idea of political zoning by the ruling party in Nigeria is unacceptable by a vast majority because the implication is that leaders will be selected based on their zones and not by their ability to lead the people.

Exactly jivelissie

That's very ture
And the only way to move to the next stage is by forgetting about ethinicity, region and religioun. Lets understand our differences, then we adjust and employ tolerance and face the GREEN-WHITE-GREEN.

That's very true
And the only way to move to the next stage is by forgetting about ethinicity, region and religion. Lets understand our differences, then we adjust and employ tolerance and face the GREEN-WHITE-GREEN.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

My point is that issues in Nigerian politics presently, isn't about north vs south or christian vs muslims, but about good vs evil.

If too many others agree with you, then the "country" is doomed to being a region defined by borders but never a nation because one man's good is another's evil.

Can you clarify what you mean by good and evil within the context of Nigeria's problems? And can you separate that from politics and regionalism in the country?

Originally posted by jbrothernew:

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

My point is that issues in Nigerian politics presently, isn't about north vs south or christian vs muslims, but about good vs evil.

If too many others agree with you, then the "country" is doomed to being a region defined by borders but never a nation because one man's good is another's evil.

Can you clarify what you mean by good and evil within the context of Nigeria's problems? And can you separate that from politics and regionalism in the country?

I'm shocked this is coming from you wow! But then you are an american and you tend to think you understand other countries better than those who inhabit it. Why? What don't understand by good vs evil. By those who are corrupt and don't want positive change vs those who are tired of corrupt leaders and want positive change growth and harmony. And please explain your concept of 'a nation'

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

But then you are an american and you tend to think you understand other countries better than those who inhabit it.

That's a strange notion. You simply don't know anything about me but for the scraps that these discussions suggest.

Don't worry. I won't ask any questions in the future.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

what various sect are you refering to?

Originally posted by ensbb3:

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

But then you are an american and you tend to think you understand other countries better than those who inhabit it. Why?

I dare say most americans would find your country unimportant, therefore not worth understanding. His question was based a lot on curiosity to me.

thank you, so isn't best for them to keep their mouths shut instead of trying to deduce what they don't know. My dad used to say that he who does not know and doesn't know he does not know is unwise

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

you are an american and you tend to think you understand other countries better than those who inhabit it. Why?

The same reason that Europeans think that all of us Americans are loud and obnoxious......over-generalization.

I studied your country in-depth in a course two semesters ago. The reasons why it is not where you envision it are simple enough:
1. (The obvious) Rampant corruption. Remember Lord Tennyson: "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
2. (As you and Danbuzu have amply demonstrated) Deep religious divisions. The Southern part of 9ja wants to worship YHWH and in time spread it to your Northern counterparts, while your Northern bretheren want to impose sharia on the entire country and spread it throughout Africa.

The 1st reason is the nexus of all troubles of 9ja.
The 2nd is a serious division, but not nearly as serious as the first.

You will have to pardon my assertion here, but I think it would have been wise on Nigeria's part to have stayed in the Commonwealth.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

And please note that this agreement is just within the ruling party and is not legitimate or accepted by the Nigeria people at all.

I was of that opinion, though I was not certain. I am thankful for the Nigerian patience concerning my posts, I am learning!

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

the only way democracy can grow in Nigeria is to stop sectionals. As for Atiku I think he was picked to witch hunt obasanjo

It is a given that in a successful democracy that the power distribution arrangements will evolve. If the evolution is through non violent means the general population will prosper.

Originally posted by jivelissie:

Good point John, the idea of political zoning by the ruling party in Nigeria is unacceptable by a vast majority because the implication is that leaders will be selected based on their zones and not by their ability to lead the people.

In Europe and America most people have instruction in civil government operation. The posters from Nigeria are certainly more civicly aware than the general Nigerian population.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

My point is that issues in Nigerian politics presently, isn't about north vs south or christian vs muslims, but about good vs evil.
If too many others agree with you, then the "country" is doomed to being a region defined by borders but never a nation because one man's good is another's evil.

Originally posted by jbrothernew:

Can you clarify what you mean by good and evil within the context of Nigeria's problems? And can you separate that from politics and regionalism in the country?

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

I'm shocked this is coming from you wow!

Basically Jbro has good intentions, he argues using emotional truths. Once you understand his emotional reasoning, you can see that he is a good agreement foil that can be used to further your position.

I know little of Nigeria, but can at least point out this report which may be of interest to our Nigerian friends.

Nigeria staggers on

The place is a basket case whatever johnogaziechi yaks about. Bodyswerving by accusing me of being an angry old man he punches above his weight. The place is in a self inflicted mess as a number of other countries are over there so by all means dish out red herrings but the truth hurts. It is racked with corruption and incapable political system riven by bloodshed in the streets between two rival religions, divided between north and south? I'd even live in Yankee land rather than that place. It's all very well to come on here and be condemning of criticism but the place is hard to defend the state it is in. The mess wasn't created by people outside including so-called angry old men but closer to home. Just goes to show that a wee bit of knowledge can be dangerous with some folk including angry young men who are trying to defend the impossible.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The place is a basket case whatever johnogaziechi yaks about. Bodyswerving by accusing me of being an angry old man he punches above his weight. The place is in a self inflicted mess as a number of other countries are over there so by all means dish out red herrings but the truth hurts. It is racked with corruption and incapable political system riven by bloodshed in the streets between two rival religions, divided between north and south? I'd even live in Yankee land rather than that place. It's all very well to come on here and be condemning of criticism but the place is hard to defend the state it is in. The mess wasn't created by people outside including so-called angry old men but closer to home. Just goes to show that a wee bit of knowledge can be dangerous with some folk including angry young men who are trying to defend the impossible.

here he goes again rambling and rattling,try effortlessly to no avail to sound intelligent! You have my friends here laughing at your ignorance. What news station do you listen to? press tv. Thanks for giving us something to laugh about.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

you are an american and you tend to think you understand other countries better than those who inhabit it. Why?

The same reason that Europeans think that all of us Americans are loud and obnoxious......over-generalization.

I studied your country in-depth in a course two semesters ago. The reasons why it is not where you envision it are simple enough:
1. (The obvious) Rampant corruption. Remember Lord Tennyson: "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
2. (As you and Danbuzu have amply demonstrated) Deep religious divisions. The Southern part of 9ja wants to worship YHWH and in time spread it to your Northern counterparts, while your Northern bretheren want to impose sharia on the entire country and spread it throughout Africa.

The 1st reason is the nexus of all troubles of 9ja.
The 2nd is a serious division, but not nearly as serious as the first.

You will have to pardon my assertion here, but I think it would have been wise on Nigeria's part to have stayed in the Commonwealth.

W
1. I don't really think you can study Nigeria indepth without coming down to Nigeria. Who wrote the literature you used.
2. You said some things that where straight to the point. like the case of corruption. But I don't see in any case where the religious differences between danbuzu and I is seen or called to play. If I might tell you we, even laugh at the misconception here at D&D. And finally what commonwealth are you talking about? Colonialism or the commonwealth of nations once under british rule? the one the u.s refused to join

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

Originally posted by jbrothernew:

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

My point is that issues in Nigerian politics presently, isn't about north vs south or christian vs muslims, but about good vs evil.

If too many others agree with you, then the "country" is doomed to being a region defined by borders but never a nation because one man's good is another's evil.

Can you clarify what you mean by good and evil within the context of Nigeria's problems? And can you separate that from politics and regionalism in the country?

I'm shocked this is coming from you wow! But then you are an american and you tend to think you understand other countries better than those who inhabit it. Why? What don't understand by good vs evil. By those who are corrupt and don't want positive change vs those who are tired of corrupt leaders and want positive change growth and harmony. And please explain your concept of 'a nation'

Well, then could you illuminate that ignorant American, and me besides, what/who/where would constitute good in Nigerian politics? Of course some outcomes are more desirable than others, but there tends to be an overlap between "we" and the good guys, and "them" and the bad seeds.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

2. (As you and Danbuzu have amply demonstrated) Deep religious divisions. The Southern part of 9ja wants to worship YHWH and in time spread it to your Northern counterparts, while your Northern bretheren want to impose sharia on the entire country and spread it throughout Africa.

There are religious divisions in Nigeria, but are they the symptoms or the cause of the troubles in the country?

Religious divisions don't make things easier, and these days Christian vs Muslim is a dominating story to explain the state of the world, but do this thought experiment: Imagine all Nigerians had become Muslims, or Christians of the sect of your choice (or for that matter Atheists or Hindus) and there were no more religious divisions, would the internal conflicts disappear as well?

Originally posted by jax:

Religious divisions don't make things easier, and these days Christian vs Muslim is a dominating story to explain the state of the world,

It is rather Muslim -vs- non-muslim that explains the violent state of the countries where Islam exists. Sudan Musilm -vs- pagans, India Muslim -vs- Hindus, Isreal Muslim -vs- Jew, China Muslim -vs- Communists.

Originally posted by jax:

but do this thought experiment: Imagine all Nigerians had become Muslims, or Christians of the sect of your choice (or for that matter Atheists or Hindus) and there were no more religious divisions, would the internal conflicts disappear as well?

The peoples of Africa themselves need to develop laws and institutions where differences are decided by non violent means. Societies that decide their political, social, economic and political differences violently do not progress. Presently it is difficult to overcome a cultural history of deciding issues violently and overcoming the thrill of the kill, that is violently forcing your way on your opponent. It is not the religious divisions that are the problem, it is the tolerance and acceptance of the violent imposition of one persons culture on another that is the problem. What is needed is an allowing for non-violent free choice in deciding or changing, or changing a culture.

Originally posted by jax:

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

Originally posted by jbrothernew:

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

My point is that issues in Nigerian politics presently, isn't about north vs south or christian vs muslims, but about good vs evil.

If too many others agree with you, then the "country" is doomed to being a region defined by borders but never a nation because one man's good is another's evil.

Can you clarify what you mean by good and evil within the context of Nigeria's problems? And can you separate that from politics and regionalism in the country?

I'm shocked this is coming from you wow! But then you are an american and you tend to think you understand other countries better than those who inhabit it. Why? What don't understand by good vs evil. By those who are corrupt and don't want positive change vs those who are tired of corrupt leaders and want positive change growth and harmony. And please explain your concept of 'a nation'

Well, then could you illuminate that ignorant American, and me besides, what/who/where would constitute good in Nigerian politics? Of course some outcomes are more desirable than others,

simple Bad: those (including muslim and christians) who are corrupt and thrive financially in corruption. The few who thrive by sabotaging the economy for personal gains at the detriment of the rest of the citizens. Those who exploit religious and ethnic sentiments for selfish intentions The good (believe me pres. Goodluck is one): those that want change from better. Those with a passion to build rather than to destroy the nation. Those who believe we have what it takes to move forward...

Hmm this is something to see. http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Nigeria-to-Charge-Former-US-VP-in-Bribery-Case-111205354.html

I really am beginning to wonder about you johnogaziechi. In constant reports that come up from time to time on news items and such we are reminded time and time again of the regular blood baths and religious nut job killings, the deep seated corruption the mass poverty in a nation that should be more comfortable for the masses plus political skulduggery but you instead try to avoid this by condemning me?? Are you honestly trying to tell intelligent people that these sad situations are trifling or few and far between? We will get the do-gooders here giving you encourgament being a patriot. All very nice and neat but it hides the bare-faced truth about Nigeria. I don't much care a dman for your childish slights at me because I am far nearer the truth. I might be direct and that hurts the soft ears but there is no point pussy footing about when people try to make excuses or give the impressions the situations are isolated.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

But I don't see in any case where the religious differences between danbuzu and I is seen or called to play.

It's simple enough.
Not all of your Northern bretheren want it, but a significant number of Nigerian Muslims are in favour of sharia law. Remember that case we discussed a year or so back about the Christian Nigerian woman who was almost tried by the Northern Muslim court and almost sentenced to death?

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

I don't really think you can study Nigeria indepth without coming down to Nigeria.

Point taken. What I meant was that I studied your country from a purely academic point.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

Who wrote the literature you used.

My friend, that was two semesters ago. I have no idea.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

And finally what commonwealth are you talking about? Colonialism or the commonwealth of nations once under british rule? the one the u.s refused to join

I was referring to the economic Commonwealth that most of the former British colonies are a part of.

Originally posted by jax:

There are religious divisions in Nigeria, but are they the symptoms or the cause of the troubles in the country?

Symptoms I suppose. That is why I put religious conflicts behind corruption.

Originally posted by jax:

Imagine all Nigerians had become Muslims, or Christians of the sect of your choice (or for that matter Atheists or Hindus) and there were no more religious divisions, would the internal conflicts disappear as well?

No, most likely not.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

If I might tell you we, even laugh at the misconception here at D&D.

That is your right of course, but if and when your Northern bretheren try to impose the archaic, degrading, backwards form of living known as sharia law, I rather doubt you will laugh.

Regardless, I wish 9ja the best of luck.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

I was referring to the economic Commonwealth that most of the former British colonies are a part of.

is that different from the common wealth of nation?

note to potential poster: that the thread is about

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Nigeria's political stuation. What's the way forward?

am just saying that the OP realized the existence of a problem. majority of the posts here only enumerate the problems not the solution.

One would have thought that thedawgfan's simple description of the Commonwealth was plain enough?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

But I don't see in any case where the religious differences between danbuzu and I is seen or called to play.

It's simple enough.
Not all of your Northern bretheren want it, but a significant number of Nigerian Muslims are in favour of sharia law. Remember that case we discussed a year or so back about the Christian Nigerian woman who was almost tried by the Northern Muslim court and almost sentenced to death?

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

I don't really think you can study Nigeria indepth without coming down to Nigeria.

Point taken. What I meant was that I studied your country from a purely academic point.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

Who wrote the literature you used.

My friend, that was two semesters ago. I have no idea.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

And finally what commonwealth are you talking about? Colonialism or the commonwealth of nations once under british rule? the one the u.s refused to join

I was referring to the economic Commonwealth that most of the former British colonies are a part of.

Originally posted by jax:

There are religious divisions in Nigeria, but are they the symptoms or the cause of the troubles in the country?

Symptoms I suppose. That is why I put religious conflicts behind corruption.

Originally posted by jax:

Imagine all Nigerians had become Muslims, or Christians of the sect of your choice (or for that matter Atheists or Hindus) and there were no more religious divisions, would the internal conflicts disappear as well?

No, most likely not.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

If I might tell you we, even laugh at the misconception here at D&D.

That is your right of course, but if and when your Northern bretheren try to impose the archaic, degrading, backwards form of living known as sharia law, I rather doubt you will laugh.

Regardless, I wish 9ja the best of luck.

you can't really understand nigeria from a distant. I was at the north a month ago and I realized sharia law isn't even existing as portrayed by the media. The truth is that nigerians on the average have same characteristics be it muslims or christians. we all have a common passion and love for our country. As for common wealth part. In case you missed that part studying my country, we still are a member of it. But I think we are better off not being a member

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I really am beginning to wonder about you johnogaziechi.

you've been wondering about me now for close to two years now, do I look like socrates to you or calculus math? Or you're finding it difficult keeping up with me? Like I'm rocket science or something? keep wondering man, when you're through let me know

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

As for common wealth part. In case you missed that part studying my country, we still are a member of it.

Ah yes, good point.
I had forgotten that Nigeria was re-admitted in 1999. My bad.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

But I think we are better off not being a member

Why is that?
Oil is Nigeria's economy pretty much, with several other much smaller exports also included.
To borrow and paraphrase an old statement, "Can man live off of bread oil and bread oil alone?"

Although I can see where having oil as your major export could be a boon.
For instance, I envy the fact that you pay little to no taxes.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Oil is Nigeria's economy pretty much, with several other much smaller exports also included.
To borrow and paraphrase an old statement, "Can man live off of bread oil and bread oil alone?"

Although I can see where having oil as your major export could be a boon.
For instance, I envy the fact that you pay. Is little to no taxes.

oil dependency our major economic problem. We have so much in terms of resources human and natural but utilizing them is a problem. we really have a poor but good tax system. (Tax for the ordinary man is almost non-existent) but large corporations do pay. But in general its easy to evade tax in nigeria but don't tell Mr Howie

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

As for common wealth part. In case you missed that part studying my country, we still are a member of it.

Ah yes, good point.
I had forgotten that Nigeria was re-admitted in 1999. My bad.

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

But I think we are better off not being a member

Why is that?
Oil is Nigeria's economy pretty much, with several other much smaller exports also included.
To borrow and paraphrase an old statement, "Can man live off of bread oil and bread oil alone?"

Although I can see where having oil as your major export could be a boon.
For instance, I envy the fact that you pay little to no taxes.

Naija go better

Amen

Too late johnogaziechi I already knew. But the meal is still on.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Too late johnogaziechi I already knew. But the meal is still on.

what meal?

Oh dear, oh dear and you have never had Irn Bru so what is affecting you. I mentioned that if ever in this fair city I would treat you to one!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Oh dear, oh dear and you have never had Irn Bru so what is affecting you. I mentioned that if ever in this fair city I would treat you to one!

I look foward to having a taste of Scotland's best

It's the home for a famous soft drink that gives Coke and Pepsi a run and a great stronger drink (whisky) so a double treat.