Please also update subscriptions when removing (spam) posts

Please also update subscriptions when removing (spam) posts

While spam is always annoying, IMO it's way less annoying to just encounter it when reading a thread than when you see a new post in your subscriptions (blog or forum), then go to it looking forward to read something interesting just to notice that there is nothing new at all as the post has been removed, especially for older threads/blogs where after months a new post _seems_ to show.
I'm sure you all know the situation where the URL seems to take you to a concrete post but only the top of the first page of a thread/blog is shown.

So what I'm asking for is that once a post has been deleted for whatever reason, subscriptions are also updated and don't pretend the existance of a new post that's already been deleted hours or days ago.

(I hope I could express myself somehow clearly...)

Mind you, if you have email notifications enabled the site can't withdraw the notification after the post is removed.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

Mind you, if you have email notifications enabled the site can't withdraw the notification after the post is removed.

Yes, that's impossible by its very nature, but I guess it shouldn't be hard to udpate/clear the subscription notification if the the post that triggered it (and it's the only one) simply no longer exists.

That's exactly what I'm talking about:


you're then taken to
http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2010/10/11/week-40-2010?cid=52952852#comment52952852
http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2011/01/11/google-removes-h-264-support-from-chrome?cid=52952932#comment52952932
http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2011/01/17/adoption?cid=52953262#comment52953262

all 3 comments do not exist anymore, and you just see the blog post.

So actually there's not a single new comment anymore, but still the notifications make you believe so :-(

IMO this is so much more annying then the actual spam post, so please don't show notifications for subscribed topics if there is nothing to notify...

I agree completely.

bump...

I am aware that an email can't be revoked, but it's ridiculous that the news subscription is not updated after a posting was removed, and you're taken to a no longer existing message, deleted maybe hours ago...

+1, it really annoys me - especially on the Choose Opera blog which is an active target for spammers.

@sgunhouse, he is not talking about e-mail notifications here, he is talking about subscription updates.

If you read my reply, I did know that.

+1

+1

Originally posted by netwolf:

So what I'm asking for is that once a post has been deleted for whatever reason, subscriptions are also updated and don't pretend the existance of a new post that's already been deleted hours or days ago.

Hi netwolf, thanks for reporting this issue. We're aware of the situation, and we'll look into it.

Such comments are the residuew of a spammer who has been reported and removed by someone else.

If you find such a message spammer and report them you will still receive their notification for a while.
Or would, in the older version I was using. Hopefully that has been resolved?

+1

5 min. ago: 9 new notifications, 6 of them are "fake" notifications that lead to nowhere (probably because a spam post has been removed).

To be honest, meanwhile I'd even rather read the spam comments (some are even kind of funny) than waiting until - nothing loads...

Strange ... for me the page loads, it's just there's no comment that gets focus.

Yes, it loads, but it's a totally useless visit as it merely shows the first page, which is a pure waste of my time.

I subscribe to the comments in order to get notified about new comments, not to see the old blog post.

The only "workaround" is to unsubscribe from all blogs after a couple of days, but that feels kind of pathetic...

+1

Originally posted by netwolf:

While spam is always annoying, IMO it's way less annoying to just encounter it when reading a thread than when you see a new post in your subscriptions (blog or forum), then go to it looking forward to read something interesting just to notice that there is nothing new at all as the post has been removed, especially for older threads/blogs where after months a new post _seems_ to show.
I'm sure you all know the situation where the URL seems to take you to a concrete post but only the top of the first page of a thread/blog is shown.

So what I'm asking for is that once a post has been deleted for whatever reason, subscriptions are also updated and don't pretend the existance of a new post that's already been deleted hours or days ago.

This was 14th January....
2011

It's so ridiculous: the News sections tells me about 4 new post in my subscribed topics, and all 4 of them are comments that are marked as spam, awaiting moderation.

Doesn't this render the entire "new auto-spam detection" completely useless? I mean, what'S the difference between a recommendation for Viagra & Co. and a "comment marked as spam..."?!
Are they almost equally annoying?

And what I don't get at all: when you already identified a comment as (possible) spam, why do you still _spam_ all subscribers of this post with a notification to open this spam comment ???

First of all, the original problem with subscriptions not being updated when spam-comments are removed should now be resolved :-)

Originally posted by netwolf:

It's so ridiculous: the News sections tells me about 4 new post in my subscribed topics, and all 4 of them are comments that are marked as spam, awaiting moderation.Doesn't this render the entire "new auto-spam detection" completely useless? I mean, what'S the difference between a recommendation for Viagra & Co. and a "comment marked as spam..."?!Are they almost equally annoying?And what I don't get at all: when you already identified a comment as (possible) spam, why do you still _spam_ all subscribers of this post with a notification to open this spam comment ???

The problem is, we can't be 100% sure that those comments marked as spam, are indeed spam. If it were a regular comment, falsely marked as spam, i'm sure most users would want to know about it so they could read it and mark it as not spam. If we were to skip notifying you about these comments, how would you know they were there?

Marking comments as spam has two main functions: First off, it makes it harder for spammers to make their message visible to as many people as they want. Instead of the blog owner and all visitiors to the blog being subjected to the spam, comments marked as spam will only be seen by the blog owner, who can then remove it. This makes My Opera far less attractive to spammers, at least in the long run.

The second function is that we who work on the site can see ALL the comments that have been marked as spam. I often start my workday by going through these comments, and banning the spammers. When doing this, your subscriptions should also be updated, so you don't get a notification about these comments.

Originally posted by digmed:

First of all, the original problem with subscriptions not being updated when spam-comments are removed should now be resolved :-)

Thanks a lot, that's very good news already!

Thank you for the explanation as well!

Thoug, either sometimes is not working as expected, or I misunderstood something, as I see comments marked as spam all the time, while I don't maintain a single blog.

Actually, I almost always only read dev. blog, desktop team blog (I see a _lot_ of comments marked as spam there), core blog etc.

So basically I (as a reader, not maintainer of a blog!) still get notifications about a blog post which is marked as spam.
(which doesn't seem inteneded, as it's not really less annoying than the notification about a spam post. Again, for me as a normal reader, not owner of a blog (e.g. in case of desktopteam blog).

Originally posted by netwolf:

So basically I (as a reader, not maintainer of a blog!) still get notifications about a blog post which is marked as spam.(which doesn't seem inteneded, as it's not really less annoying than the notification about a spam post. Again, for me as a normal reader, not owner of a blog (e.g. in case of desktopteam blog).

Ah, i see what you're saying. I think that's a very valid point, however, let's say a comment is marked as spam and you aren't notified of it. Then another user comments on the same blogpost, and that one isn't marked as spam. You get notified of that comment. Then the blog owner marks the first comment as NOT spam.. would you expect to be notified of this comment then, or not?

This could get complicated

Well, there might be corner cases, but in general I think it work work like this:

when a comment is marked as spam, only the writer of the comment and the owner of the blog get notified, not (yet?) anybody who ever subscribed to it

After all, I guess we all assume and hope that the automatic spam detection system generates more true than false positives

The corner case is ... if you weren't notified about a "possible spam" comment, but are notified about the one that comes after it, then you won't be notified when the "possible spam" comment is approved if you haven't yet looked at the later comment. So in that case you are likely to miss the former "possible spam" comment. Probably not too important, most of the time.

Hey, I think I get it. The reason I've never seen a "possible spam" is because I'm a moderator, I get to see the actual comment so I can decide whether or not to ban the poster.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

Hey, I think I get it. The reason I've never seen a "possible spam" is because I'm a moderator, I get to see the actual comment so I can decide whether or not to ban the poster.

Nope, we will see the "Comment marked as spam. Awaiting moderation." text and if we want to see the actual message we have to click the Edit button (or go to users page and check all their messages).

Example http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2012/10/02/opera-12-10-beta?startidx=50#comment97434482 Not spam btw!