Site pages not loading w/javascript active.

Site pages not loading w/javascript active.

Opera 11.01 Build 1190.

Site pages not loading. This has also been an issue from time to time with several recent Opera versions.

1. I am running into this problem on several sites, even www.opera.com:

www.opera.com stops loading; stalls at "Elements: 6/7" with blank page. Delete private data, no change. Stop/restart Opera, no change. Disable javascript (latest version) and it works. Click on a link, same thing; disable javascript (native; not using user javascripts) and it works. Okay, but some sites have features that require javascript. Like forum topic posts (can't insert images below). BUT, it all works fine in IE w/javascript and also in FF w/javascript. So I am posting this in FF.

2. Similarly, on realage.com I have the same loading issue plus I am unable to see videos (but no problem in IE). See address bar images below.
Site: http://www.realage.com/videos/?bclid=5030523001&bctid=16661825001&click=p4link1
Note: Flash ver 10.1.102.64 installed

Address bar showing loading stopped at 59/60:


Address bar showing fully load page W/javascript disabled:


Javascript is up-to-date; no user javascripts, just native javascript.

Any thoughts as to what is causing this? Settings, preferences, etc.

Thanks!

j

I've seen this reported a few times, and I have experienced it myself over many versions of Opera ( the loading 6/7 issue ). I always assumed it was a site thing and would click cancel to view the page :never thought anything more.

However, in 11 and 11.01, after reading a few forum posts, I tried switching javascript off as well, and things worked. As you say, this isn't exactly a solution, but may point to a cause.

I have noticed that Opera does load some sites with lots of JS slowly ( ie http://brooklyn64.com/ although that does load eventually, but much slower/longer that IE ).

Wish I did have a solution !

nickunite2009 -

Thanks! At least there's company in this misery.

Turning off javascript will get you into the site but subsequent pages that require javascript presents the opposite problem.

I started noticing this once in a while in Opera 10; Opera 11 it seems to have grown exponentially and, consequently, also my use of IE. I have the same "problem" on another desktop. I've been hoping that each new version would clear this up.

I tried the brooklyn64 site. White page. I then went to another machine and opened Opera 9.64, typed in the address and BINGO! Two seconds max. The original machine still showed the white page. Both with javascript enabled.

I just did the same thing with the RealAge link in my original post. Loads in a flash in Opera 9.64. Go figure.

Originally posted by janusz:

www.opera.com stops loading; stalls at "Elements: 6/7" with blank page

Just tested and the site loaded fine here.

Originally posted by janusz:

Similarly, on realage.com I have the same loading issue plus I am unable to see videos (but no problem in IE). See address bar images below.
Site: http://www.realage.com/videos/?bclid=5030523001&bctid=16661825001&click=p4link1

The page loaded fine and also the video.

Any extensions in use? Have you tried cleaning the cache?

this also happens with automatically reloading a page every x minutes. it'll work for a number of hrs then break and get stuck the same way.
and cause the cpu (amd quad in my case) to work at 100% and fan all loud. computer will need a reboot after that.

No extensions, cleared cache (deleted all private data - Tools), restarted, reboot OS, no userjavascripts, no host file. Same as with version 9.64 which works with javascript.

Works for LeoCG and others. Puzzling.

Well, I'd like to say it worked, but when I changed enable plug-ins on demand, I lost the way I had configured Opera ! Now I have no tabs and have no idea how to get it back.

Example If I try to open a page in a new tab it just opens over the existing page...any ideas ?

Finally back to tabs...not intuitive at times...

I tried the enable on demand and it didn't do it for me .....brooklyn still v slow loading

Sorry...but this turned out to be have solved the problem -- or at least until I rebooted the system. It worked well even when I closed and restared Opera. Rebooted and the problem returned.

Delete Private Data (Tools): This time I only deleted session cookies, all cookies, entire cache, and persistent storage; closed-restarted Opera and all is working again. Brooklyn site works fine, too.

Well, it must be something in the private data, but I can't make myself zap all my history etc...so I just tried the cache.

This doesn't solve the issue.

Depending how brave I feel, I will try the others in order!

Eventually I did the same as you, but brooklyn64 still takes 30+ seconds to load. I re-booted and have the same issue. SO for me the problem remains, although not the site does load eventually ( unlike on 10.0 .

I'll see what happens over the days.

One point about the enable plug-ins on demand is that I guess that it is not automatically showing Flash on pages : you just see a huge play symbol.

Not a problem, and possibly speeds things up !

It's a genuine nuisance. I've using IE more than I have in years since in my work I just don't have the time to clear caches, etc. and restart after starting! Then, it's no guarantee it will work. I'm thinking about going back to 9.64.

Interesting. Started up this morning after deleting private data before shutdown last evening (to see if that helps). It didn't. www.opera.com doesn't load (Elements: 6/7). Delete Private Data. Reboot. Nada.

So, I check the error console and found this:

JavaScript - http://www.opera.com/
Event thread: load
Uncaught exception: TypeError: Cannot convert 'ticker' to object
Error thrown at line 5, column 2 in rotateNews() in http://www.opera.com/js/newsticker.js:
ticks = ticker.getElementsByTagName("li");

I don't know what this means, but javascript error on opera site??

Is there a userscript to over come this?

Anyway, got tired of reloading and looking at the white screen. I'm posting this with my trusty backup, IE,

Added this line (sites where you do not want the ads to show up) to block-unwanted-scripts (userscript):
// @include http://www.opera.com/js/newsticker.js

http://userjs.org/scripts/download/general/enhancements/block-unwanted-scripts.js

Now Opera loads!

Enable plug-ins only on demand worked for me....so far. Could not load not even this forum

it seems it only works for a few pages, others still do not load

I have this problem on all of the computers I use

It's related to hosts file, if you use it to block some sites, this happens.
Interesting: If I use 0.0.0.0 address in hosts file, some sites work, while others do not. If I use 127.1.1.1 sites that did not worked with 0.0.0.0 DO work now, but other sites that worked before, now they don't

danpadure -

Yup, it's related to host file! Seems Opera is "allergic" to ads, etc. being blocked in recent versions. Why Opera when other browsers, even earlier versions of Opera, works?

I've used Homer for years but for some reason it was deactivated. I just activated Homer again (w/transparent image) and it seems to work on most sites now. I'll have to see how it works over the next few days.

HOMER: http://www.funkytoad.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14&Itemid=32

WELL...that really didn't work either.

So, okay, I do a clean install to a new folder. Copied over bookmarks, cookies, wand, sessions, etc.

Ohhhh, ssseezzz. Same ole problem with javascript. Well, maybe something else is involved.

TOOLS >> ADVANCED >> BLOCKED CONTENT. Delete all.

Whatdayakno, seems to have solved the problem, at least for now.

Well, so much for clean install, etc. Wiping out private data, restarts work...sometimes.

Not to worry. It seems to work...many, many, many times.

You've given me pause to rethink things. I save copy and deleted urlfilter.ini. No change. Yes, the blocked content is under "[exclude]" in the urlfilter.ini. It made absolutely no difference at all. Pizzing in the wind, so to speak.

Well, I installed another version in another folder. Right out of the installer, plain, simple nothing stuff. No host files, Nada.

Guess what? Restart, close, restart, and it may work.

Works sometimes, doesn't work at other times. Disable javascript and all is well. BUT, I really don't want to do that. I have a similar problem on another desktop. The only one that works is on a laptop. Go figure. I'm thinking about importing files from the laptop.

Error Console shows this for this site: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=900351&t=1298266729&page=1#comment8697811

About 30-40 entries with...
CSS - http://static.myopera.com/community/css/main.css

Page does not load; stops. Elements: 2/3

NO javascript errors!

Yes, right out of the installer, plain, simple nothing stuff.

What I find is that when I get it to work (usually after restart), if I reload the site, it fails to completely load as with the Opera site above.

Well, I've messed with this again another day. Gotta shut down and go back to FF to get work done.

I went NUKE! The wipeout solution!

I saved bookmarks, wand, sessions, skins, toolbar (custom), etc., to separate folder, uninstalled Opera, cleaned registry (My OS is Win XP; I used Norton WinDoctor - simple, safe, works - but could easily have used CCleaner), reinstalled Opera 11, and, once more, flushed DNS cache (Hostman). Updated hosts file (Hostman)

FINALLY, it works. For real. Or, so it seems. I've tried everything to get it to stall on loading...it just keeps on loading sites fast! Hosts file has not effect at all on page loading!

For a number of versions I have installed over previous versions. I think that may have contributed to the problem but do not know for sure (who does?). In any case, I will hereafter install each new version in a separate folder and uninstall the older version.

If you are having this kind of problem (incomplete loading of pages but completes loading if javascript is disabled), the ultimate solution may be to "clean house" (registry).

In the meantime, if this fails...time to consider the old adage about doing the same thing and getting the same results and do something different. FF.

Peace.

j

gdveggie --

Still holding up.

Sorry, I did not meant to imply that I went wild in the registry. I did not do a MANUAL search and delete of registry keys. I decided to use a safe and simple registry cleaner, Norton WinDoctor, that I've used occasionally (although I also use CCleaner and jv16PowerTools). What I did was to delete Opera version via Add/Remove Programs. I do no think that Opera really gets twisted around in the registry but having one version installed over another may have been the culprit.

It may be that Operas "sees" multiple sources for some things. Nevertheless, I ran WinDoctor. I think it is very safe on Win XP and is backed up so you could go back if needed. It found numerous registry keys with no association to various file (since deleted), numerous missing files (orphans), etc. In every case, I deleted the keys/files that had unassociated files, etc. In any case, WinDoctor cleaned up the residue after uninstalling, etc. If this would not have worked I would have used jv16PowerTools (safe mode) which also does a great job of finding stragglers. I'll do the same on my other machine this coming weekend.

I might add that I overlooked an Opera version, Opera 9.64, and consequently did not remove it. It was in the early morning hours so I was half-awake. It was installed in its own folder, Opera 9.64. It also works fine. I will do as you do: no longer just install an Opera version in the default folder, Opera, but in a folder that includes the version. No auto upgrades; set to notify only.

You mention having various version in their own unique folders. Maybe I misunderstood but are you having this kind of problem (incomplete loading of pages)?

It was not only javascript that was a problem (although the most common problem) but also style sheets (as posted above). So, somehow it gets to how Opera handles these. I can only guess that there was some kind of conflict related to version-on-version-on-version the made Opera skizo -- working one time and then not at another time.

Bottom LIne: this was successful for me. I love my Opera (been using Opera since version 6.01)! Nothing like success!

The two rules of success are:
1. Never tell them everything you know.

Naww, I'm not keeping anything secret.

j

In most cases, I would think a fresh installation to a new folder does the deed for most. I stubborn cases like mine, what I did was really a last resort. It solved the problem -- for me, an n of one in a huge universe. Caveat: what worked for me may not work for you. For me, Day 0 +2, Opera continues to work like a charm. I suspect it may be related to how Opera reads site scripting, javascript, etc. -- normally or skitzo-ly.

As for registry cleaners, CCleaner is one of the safe ones and has a good reputation. I would not recommend manual registry searches and deletions (in safe mode, jv16PowerTools will let you manually select and delete). Regedit manual search and deletion of keys can be time-consuming; I've done it when removing malware from friends' computers. I can only say that if you have tried all I have tried above and it comes down to a last resort -- and if you don't know what you are doing, don't do this at home -- or anywhere; learn to live with partial loading site or disable javascript. For those trying it for the first time, backup your system; I do full backups regularly.

For what it's worth, this is the only real problem I have had with Opera in all the years I've use the browser. I have never lost bookmarks, etc. If one is copying/pasting bookmarks to new installation with the browser open, upon close it will wipe out the newly pasted bookmarks and replace what it had active.

The brooklyn64 site loads but very slowly (crawl), regardless of browser. The site has other issues (see error console).

Peace.

j

One thing I have NOT done is load up on sites so to have many open tabs. I vaguely recall someone saying that the javascript phenomenon is related to the number of open tabs (>15 or 20?). In the course of my work I normally have about 10-15 tabs open at a time. I will report back on my test.

I got that deep, sickening feeling in the gut (like one gets when seeing the message "Can't find the operating system") last night when I went to a site that did not load. Turns out it was the site. Did not load in any browser. Wheee. :-)

So, for now, it's steady as she goes...

j

I have plugins set to enable on demand -- so they don't load/run automatically. I like that feature.

This morning, in the normal course of checking links, etc., I got to about 25 open tabs...then IT HAPPENED! That dreaded ELEMENTS: 23/24 STALL. Reloading the site did not help. I simply restarted and all is working again. Subsequent added open tabs (5); load normally.

Right now, I am taking it as an an exception -- although fully aware that it has been an all to common of a thing for me with Opera 11 to be an aberration, i.e., no happenstance, I've been here before! What this means is that I have my fingers crossed with a four-leaf clover on my keyboard.

Seriously, I wonder what role the memory cache size (Tools-Preferences-Advanced-History) plays in a lot of these issues.

Later:
1. I turn OFF the memory cache, cleared it, and restarted. Many site pages did not completely load. Restart again. Same result.

2. Set Memory cache to 400MB, set to clear on exit, cleared it, and restarted. All site pages (~25) loaded quickly. Restart. All load VERY quickly. I added more sites (tabs) and sites load very fast.

3a. No blocked content (per new install; current) w/#2 above. Tools-Advanced. Using host file w/HostMan+Host Server (replaces blocked ads with transparent image). All working well. Then I tried this:
3b. Added old blocked content. Partial loading of sites. For example,this not loading: http://js.revsci.net/gateway/gw.js?csid=K05540
(Could it be that the blocked content is looking for something already blocked by host file and then results in partial load?)
3c. Then I removed blocked content. Host file, etc. the same. All working well.

4. Ummm.

j

Were it so easy as refresh. As I detailed here, nothing really worked. Reboot after reboot and then maybe it might load -- but I've already detailed all that above. Here's what is now working for me for the last couple of days:

* Clean installation as describe above
* Enabled plug-ins on demand
* Set memory cache to fixed value: 400MB; empty on exit
* Application cache=yes
* No blocked content
* Open all pop-ups
* Auto update set to notify when updates available (to be able to install in separate folder)
* Host file with HostMan (and its HostsServer; replaces blocked ads, etc. with transparent image); yes, it works with hosts file!.
* I have user javascripts; no effect with or without.
* Also, https site pages (like the login for this site) generates a dialog box with this message:

Do you want to allow local javascript files to control secure
pages? You should only allow this if you know what your
javascript files contain and understand the security
implications.

I simply disabled userjs for those site tabs with https, just in case those sites, waiting for reply to the dialog box, could be effecting the way other sites load.

That's basically it.

Yeah, if all the content were visible and links worked, then no problem. But, this not heaven...Page CONTENT missing when partially loaded. Disable javascript to see the content but then some links do not work. On some sites you get partial header and the body is missing! Blank (see image below and compare with link). More than a nuisance.

Redraw when loaded. Nope; set to default. Speaking of which, I did do an experiment (not previously mentioned): In User Prefs (opera:config), enabled Delayed Script Execution (ignores script tags until entire doc is rendered, then scripts executed. No help.

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Last night, I had one site page that would not completely load (Elements: 12/13). Its body content was not visible. http://people.revoledu.com/kardi/tutorial/What-If-Analysis/index.html See image below:



I went through all the usual things EXCEPT restart. Somehow, even though I did Delete Private Data (everything!), refresh, etc., it had no effect. On restart, it clear up as though something cleans things up -- and it loads all-the-way. I got to wondering if browser.js might play a role in this somehow. So, I made sure it was up-to-date and enabled: opera:config#Browser%20JavaScript Enable: set value to 2; although is is updated weekly, you can make sure by setting value to 1, then Help, check for updates.

Anyway, restarts seem to clean up some residual stuff (?)despite clearing history, etc. in Private Data. Once initial pages load correctly, then subsequent pages (tabs) also load correctly for that session.

Today, all sites load fast and completely. So, somewhere in the mix of things site loading has greatly improved! These partial-loads are now R & R (rare and random).

Note: For personal convenience, I also disabled userjs on https to prevent the javascript dialog box popup. In User Prefs (opera:config), disabled User Javascript on HTTPS.

gdveggie -

That site has a number of scripting errors but it's been loading okay.

I have made a discovery, of sorts. After doing the clean installation, I updated my hosts file and noticed that most of the n-1/n (using your notation) sites loaded without a problem. When a new site did not load (after going through the delete private data, etc.), a simple restart worked...but not always. It was R & R, random and rare. It worked satisfactorily. That takes us up to the last post.

However, as I mentioned in my previous post, despite every effort to get work, it still took a restart to some how clean things out. i also noticed that a reboot would do the same thing as restart. Since my last post, I was able to duplicate the partial loading of the site in my previous post while monitoring the error console for errors. Absolutely no errors! That told me that it was not a scripting error but something else blocking some content and gumming up the works. The only possibility was the host file. I completely disabled it. Restarted and it the site loaded fast. Ummm. It seems I had mistaken the improved page loading to mean the host file was not a problem. It wasn't...on most sites. But, that's the problem with hosts files -- they block ads, sites, and most everything in-between. It would be nice to block dangerous sites and maybe ads but not the other stuff that causes n-1/n errors.

Really, I do not really need a host file. I do like the ad blocking and bad-url blocking though. I have fairly good firewall and anti-virus/malware protection on my machine, all in LAN behind a router, and use OpenDNS which blocks some bad sites. My concern is those drive-by hijacks. SpywareBlaster (restricted sites) is very good but only works with IE and FF. But, I ramble...

The problem is not so much hosts file, per se, but some lists include so much they could be called Paranoia Lists. I have added the following short list to urlfilter.ini (Content Blocker) -- under [exclude] -- to take care of most ads:

*/ad.*
*/ad/*
*/ad2*
*/ads.*
*/ads/*
*/adv.*
*/adv/*
*/annonse*
*/banner*
*/click*
*/context-ads*


What does it take to fix the n-1/n incomplete page loading? Here's what worked for me:

* Clean installation as describe above
* Enabled plug-ins on demand
* Set memory cache to fixed value: 400MB; empty on exit
* Application cache=yes
* No blocked content
* Auto update set to notify when updates available (to be able to install in separate folder)
* Disable/delete hosts file.
* I have user javascripts; no effect

There it is. I've managed to stumble onto some things and discovered some new things about Opera.

I couldn't be more pleased with my Opera. 100% Opera.

j

But with all that, can you detect what's being blocked on the page in your image and why?

No easy way comes to mind. Like in my case, I still do not know what may have been blocked!

Yes, urlfilter.ini is pretty much the same as hosts file. However, with hosts file you can insert very small transparent image and that usually makes the blank spots close up. Some site pages will do it automatically. eDexter and Homer can do the image trick but I like HostMan because it has that feature built in; plus you can update numerous lists within HostMan. You can also place a visible image maybe with the message that an ad is being blocked or something like that. I have used hosts files for many, many years and this is the first time I've run into any kind of problem with it. Sure, I had to go through those lists to remove urls that I wanted, but that's a pain. I'm looking for a drive-by hijack url list only.

Yeah, I go back to the days of Proxomitron (still around; highly configurable) and Webwasher (originally product of German firm; free; still a superb filter manager;Win 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP). I think McAfee bought WebWasher name and now offer a product with that name. There is a Linux version I use on my Linux box.

gdveggie, I've enjoyed the sharing of information; I appreciate all your comments.

j

Well, in general, there's no easy way. For the Teknomo site referenced above I did do a comparison of source coding with Opera and FF. My old eyes did not find any obvious difference. Blocked ads generally do not cause problems. Those that block sites may pose problem for links on some sites. Of course, those that block urls, then you can't even access the site.

Yes, hosts files apply equally to all browsers on your system. Well, maybe not so equally (see below). Hosts files are system wide and work for all browsers on the system, as opposed to browsers "blockers" which are browser only. I had been using MVPS HOST files. When I first deleted Opera's Blocked Content I thought that it was causing some kind of conflict between it and the hosts file. And, so it seemed, because most sites, not all, completed loading.

When I find some time I will go back to using hosts file; maybe I can find source of hosts lists that are not so aggressive as to cause problems with Opera. Yes, Opera only. At least for versions 10 and 11; never a problem with previous versions. You see, I never suspected the hosts file because it worked with other browsers. I never had a problem with IE or FF with the hosts file, just Opera!!! So, it really is an Opera thing and how it renders sites, I suppose. All browsers except Opera -- another n-1 thingie. Go figure.

gdveggie -

Yeah, with so many things discussed it may be difficult to follow.

Upstream, my post of 25 Feb 21:30:25: "My post Since my last post, I was able to duplicate the partial loading of the site in my previous post while monitoring the error console for errors. Absolutely no errors! That told me that it was not a scripting error but something else blocking some content and gumming up the works."

Also, my last post: "For the Teknomo site referenced above I did do a comparison of source coding with Opera and FF. My old eyes did not find any obvious difference."

This site was a n-1 site but there were no scripting errors, etc. Yes, it was hanging of the google stuff while FF and IE were not. But what was causing that? I discovered it was the hosts file.

Today, now that I better understand things, I decided to take the time to see if I could get hosts file working with Opera. I enabled HostsMan and downloaded another fresh copy of th MVPS Hosts files, did a little editing, and everything loads just fine. Nothing in Content Blocker.

This is not an Opera issue at all. My comment yesterday that hosts file seeme to be an "Opera only" is incorrect -- yeah, I had some sleep and can now think clearly. One has to recognize that Opera renders pages differently than other browsers so some ad blocks can cause some problems. As to why disabling javascript worked, it was because many of the things blocked are javascript driven.

Hey, at least that my theory and I'm stickin' with it.

So, what to do? Don't use hosts file or Opera content blocker. If you do, use one or the other; not both. If you have site loading problems, become a detective, find the offending url, and delete from the hosts file (or content blocker).

About errors being server side: No, but the effect of blocking sites and ads is identical to server not "serving" the ads. In those ad places on sites you may find a message stating it could not be loaded, etc. That's why I use the super-small transparent image that substitutes for the error in loading message.

Oh, on WebWasher I mentioned earlier. It is essentially a host manager; you have to provide the block lists. Utilities like HostsMan make it obsolete. It was top-notch in its day. I was too!

If you'd like to continue the discussion we can do it offline if you like; contact me (see my profile).

j

gdveggie --

Well, I did the clean up after un-installing Opera, then new installation in new folder. That was the beginning of a solution. And, then on to hosts files and content blocker.

For others that do not have hosts file or anything in content blocker, it may be malware blocking utilities, firewall, router, etc. If you use OpenDNS, it has settings to enter domains to block, etc. PLUS, it will block a wild selection of sites by category. In these situations all browsers would be effected.

My Opera is working fine ... and how sweet it is!

My work here is finished. ...I'm outta here.

Take care.

j

2. Similarly, on realage.com I have the same loading issue plus I am unable to see videos (but no problem in IE). See address bar images below. Site: http://www.realage.com/videos/?bclid=5030523001&bctid=16661825001&click=p4link1 Note: Flash ver 10.1.102.64 installed

For what's it worth, the same thing here. The page loaded in a few seconds, except for the last element which never loaded. When this happens, I just hit 'Stop'.

Originally posted by janusz:

Opera 11.01 Build 1190.

Site pages not loading. This has also been an issue from time to time with several recent Opera versions.
I am running into this problem on several sites, even www.opera.com.

I just encountered this problem myself too. OPERA 11.01 being unable to load www.opera.com - how ironic is that! Some other sites were also failing to completely load.

It appears that the browser Javascript engine has somehow become corrupt and this method to fix it worked for me:

1. Go to OPERA: config: /USER PREFS/Browser Javascript and change its value from 2 to 1.
2. This forces OPERA to treat its Javascript engine as corrupt and download a new browser.js on restart.
3. Restart Opera.

I don't think checking for updates reloads the browser.js function because I tried that first and it made no difference to the problem. According to Opera's manual:

Browser JavaScript - Whether to download and use the browser.js file. Enable by setting to 1, Opera will then download the file and set to 2.
0 = Never download or use
2 = Use and check for updates weekly (default)
1 = browser.js signature invalid. On next check for update, a new browser.js will be downloaded and the value set to 2.

I suspect that the default '2' holds unless you change it to '1' to force an arbitrary update. Otherwise browser.js is only checked weekly and if no new version is available on the Opera site, no change is made even if your browser.js is faulty because no check is made for corruption, just the availability of a new version.

I could be wrong of course, but that's my understanding of the situation. After the fix, I also tried opening those links which posters here complained about including http://people.revoledu.com/kardi/tutorial/What-If-Analysis/index.html and they all loaded completely with no problems.

I had the folder open and watched -- before my very eyes -- a miracle. It along with the others updated (file dates)! But...that will only happen if there are updates available. Otherwise, there is no re-downloading and what you state is true if you want to do that.

Sadly, this does not work for many. The only thing that regularly works is rebooting (and maybe several reboots) and may work for a session. In any case, I've managed to put together a collection of disparate things that work for me (long story: see previous post and url). I suspect that all of these things, somehow, combine in some fashion to alter the way Opera loads pages. In my layman's view, a timing issue of some kind. So far, I have managed to "solve" the problem, for a couple of weeks, at least, that has worked across many sessions -- two desktops machines and a laptop. However, I cannot point to one single thing that made THE difference though. Yet, Opera now works in these PCs and it has become very difficult to duplicate the incomplete n-1/n element loading thing. Even the link you mentioned (a site that I originally had problem with) works fine, WITH hosts file. It is interesting to view the error console on some sites as a pages loads with the n-1 problem -- reboot and notice the changes in the error console -- javascript errors vanish. Reboot again, and the errors come back. Somehow these things "mingled the cup."

Never give up!--if adversity presses,
Providence wisely has mingled the cup;
And the best counsel, in all your distresses,
Is the stout watchword of--Never give up.
- The High Wisdom Promise (Never Give Up) by Martin Tupper, Ballads for the Times (1851)

For many it shows up if one uses content blocker and/or hosts files. But these are not in themselves the causes; I've been able to get things to work with hosts file, etc. Installing fresh in a new folder somehow helps but not totally the answer. Some suggest that it is merely the way a computer is setup, etc. but no real specifics - a sort of catch-all WAG; if true though, it is "unique" to Opera alone since other browsers work fine. Some also suggest it is Opera's adherence to standards and these sites do not meet standards; ummm, www.opera.com did not work for me, so what's up with that? Some suggest DNS cache. One can clear the cache manually or by rebooting. Again, rebooting something works for awhile. Some suggested to disable DNS Client in Windows; tried that also. Some suggested that the number of open sites/tabs (with site icons) is the cause. I was able to duplicate it to some degree but it, too, corrected with reboots. On and on.

All of these things are equivalent to kicking the TV set to get it to work...sometimes. As I suggested in the other forum, these are artifacts or symptoms of some single underlying cause. We are as the blind men in the parable, each find some thing that seem to be a cause, but combined are artifacts or symptoms of what the parable says is an elephant or some kind of Opera browser loading timing thing. There is no "elephant" using IE or FF.

What we do know is that it is related to javascript; seems that, in many instances, Opera waits for external response that does not time out. Reboot and it may or may not happen again. Once more, I suspect some kind of timing thing with page loading. I have managed to get hosts file working with HostMan and HostsServer (provides pixel transparent image to replace ads, etc.); I can only guess that HostsSever provide something to the external requests and Opera completes loading.

My observations are merely a layman's observations. Maybe someone with great technical skills can "see" and provide a solution -- maybe a user javascript solution, or better yet, a permanent one. Until then, I hope to see this n-1 incomplete loading gone in the next version. I really don't want to find it all back at square one, having to kick the box again and again.

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I'm sorry, are you saying that reloading a new copy of brower.js does NOT work for you? If so then there must be some other factor involved in your system. Are you using a security suite that blocks links that it thinks are untrustworthy perhaps?

I can only report that I now have normal function restored on my machine with no more instances of freezing or partial downloads on any website. I run with a full HOSTS file, DNS cache service, Opera's block file, and enable Plugins only on demand active at all times. The OS is XP SP3.

The sample file you gave: http://people.revoledu.com/kardi/tutorial/What-If-Analysis/index.html also loads completely and quickly and there are no problems following any of the links on that page.

This site: http://www.realage.com/videos/?bclid=5030523001&bctid=16661825001&click=p4link1 also loads fine, as do the video clips.

I think I still have this issue, but it seems to be fading...the brooklyn64 site now loads completely ( but not quickly, although that may be because of the js and CSS issues in its coding ?)

Of the other sites mentioned her, the real age one does not load the last element ( after 1:30 ) but the whatif analysis site loads fine. Maybe the js updates that have happened have solved issues ?

Regardless, I am sticking with Opera : its by far the best of the browsers for me. Does all I want and probably more.

I did the proverbial SIN and didn't read through the entire Post, so forgive me if this doesn't pertain to this post.
I do believe it is along the same topic on not being able to load certain pages, in my case Mafia Wars (MW).
Stumbled upon something, and it WORKED!
Settings/Preferences/Advanced/Content/Manage Site Preferences/Display/Add "Site" MW url/Then check "Show Active Frame Border" (3rd Box) and ok out...

Originally posted by janusz:

So, okay, I do a clean install to a new folder. Copied over bookmarks, cookies, wand, sessions, etc.

Ohhhh, ssseezzz. Same ole problem with javascript. Well, maybe something else is involved.

With no programming background, I'm not sure I understand everything in this thread. For example, I haven't worked with Hosts files, (although I have the impression they work very much like Opera's urlfilter.ini ???). And I don't fully grasp how JavaScript is involved in the problem you've described.

But I was about to suggest a clean Opera install to a new folder, so I'm glad to see you've at least tried that, even though it didn't work.

Then I noticed that (if I'm understanding you correctly) deleting blocked content seems to have worked:

Originally posted by janusz:

TOOLS >> ADVANCED >> BLOCKED CONTENT. Delete all.

Whatdayakno, seems to have solved the problem, at least for now.

...and something suddenly clicked. I've never used the menu approach to blocked content (Tools > Advanced > Blocked Content), so at first I didn't realize what it does. But when I looked at it, it looked just like my urlfilter.ini which I have always edited manually. So I checked, and sure enough, it appears to be the GUI means for editing the urlfilter.ini. (And maybe you already know that, but I didn't find the urlfilter.ini mentioned anywhere in the thread.)

But what clicked was my memory of certain pages that wouldn't load at all when I first installed the urlfilter.ini a couple years ago. It took a while to puzzle it out (and Tamil was the one that suggested what turned out to be the solution), but it turned out that a couple pages had URLs with words that contained within them a shorter word that was in my urlfilter.ini. I can't recall any more what it was, but a made-up example would be roundtheblock.com would not load (blank page) because lock.com was in my urlfilter.ini.

It seems you're describing pages that don't load completely (rather than not at all), so maybe I'm way off base, but maybe it would be worth checking for some conflict between the URL for page you're trying to load and the content of your urlfilter.ini (if you still have a copy with the content you deleted). Or if it's only part of the page that isn't loading, perhaps that part is served up (via JavaScript) from some other URL that is conflicting with your urlfilter.ini. ??? If so, deleting all wouldn't be necessary; you could just delete the conflicting items.

(And I'm uneasy posting this when, like I said, I'm not sure I understand everything in the thread. But if I'm way off the mark, I'm not at all uneasy with you telling me so. )

Originally posted by janusz:

Well, I installed another version in another folder. Right out of the installer, plain, simple nothing stuff. No host files, Nada.

Guess what? Restart, close, restart, and it may work.

Oh, yeah, I meant to ask in previous post (and forgot) what happens with a clean install to new folder if you don't copy any previous "bookmarks, cookies, wand, sessions, etc."

So I think maybe you just answered that (i.e., it may work, but you're not sure yet) ???

Originally posted by janusz:

FINALLY, it works. For real. Or, so it seems. I've tried everything to get it to stall on loading...it just keeps on loading sites fast! Hosts file has not effect at all on page loading!

Fantastic! Hope it holds up!

Originally posted by janusz:

For a number of versions I have installed over previous versions. I think that may have contributed to the problem but do not know for sure (who does?). In any case, I will hereafter install each new version in a separate folder and uninstall the older version.

If you are having this kind of problem (incomplete loading of pages but completes loading if javascript is disabled), the ultimate solution may be to "clean house" (registry).

I'm happy for your results, but troubled by what it took to achieve them, because simply installing to a new folder often works, and seems to bypass the need for a registry clean-out. And even if this holds up, it would sure be nice to have a clearer idea of exactly which registry key(s) or value(s) were involved.

I personally don't have any qualms about attempting a registry clean-out, but am more concerned about what unknown registry entries might be relevant, (e.g., ones that might not even specify Opera, but maybe involve Windows components upon which Opera depends, or Opera plug-ins, or whatever else JavaScript interacts with, etc). I don't want to have to tackle that, and I certainly couldn't recommend it to the average user. So it's a nice thought (fantasy?) that simply installing to a new folder would always bypass that. Apparently it often does, but frankly I'm not surprised if it doesn't always.

However, with 5 active Opera installations on my current machine and at least 7-8 on my other system (currently down with a dead mobo), each installed to a new folder, I have yet to uninstall an older version. So I have a pretty high confidence in the new folder approach and, at least so far, haven't even needed to uninstall any of them.

Originally posted by janusz:

In the meantime, if this fails...time to consider the old adage about doing the same thing and getting the same results and do something different. FF.

Good to see your sense of humor is still intact. Hopefully your new Opera installation will remain intact as well!

Originally posted by janusz:

Still holding up.

Glad to hear it!

Originally posted by janusz:

You mention having various version in their own unique folders. Maybe I misunderstood but are you having this kind of problem (incomplete loading of pages)?

No I just got interested in the thread. I haven't had any particular problems that seem atypical. I get pages now and then that take a long time to finish loading or fail to load the last element, but no more than I've seen in other browsers, and I've always assumed it was a problem in the site coding, or some element the site could no longer retrieve from yet another location. If it ever interferes, I can usually just stop loading and proceed on the page just fine.

But I was uneasy from the get-go with the possible complications of updated installations. My first Opera installation was 9.51 and it was the only one ever installed in the traditional C:\Program Files\Opera folder, because shortly thereafter I installed v9.27 to get a cache that showed file extensions (only one of several reasons I still use it), and inquired here in the forum whether I could install both (yes, each to its own folder). Then I started seeing complaints in the forum about lost bookmarks, mail, etc., etc., with updated installations, so I just started installing every new version in its own folder.

More recently, it seems like there has been a significant increase in forum complaints about updated installations, especially since the automatic updates were introduced (I don't allow mine to auto-update). I've become increasingly aware of the possibility of a fresh install to a new folder circumventing many of these problems, and have been liberally recommending that users with problems try it, especially if they're having problems with updated installs (although I don't think the potential benefits are limited to updated installs).

And I didn't think you had gone wild in the registry, but I did wonder how you had gone about it (sounds like you did a competent and a thorough job ).

My qualms aren't about registry cleaning, per se, but the disappointment that a fresh install to a new folder won't handle all cases, and my uneasiness suggesting registry cleaning to inexperienced users (whereas I have no hesitation suggesting a fresh install to a new folder). I would be comfortable doing the registry cleaning myself if I had to, and would probably just do it manually, although I would probably check couple of registry cleaners to see what they identified. I could easily search the registry for keys containing the word "Opera" and then evaluate each to determine its potential relevance. What I'm less confident of is that simply removing anything that obviously has to do with Opera would necessarily fix these more obscure problems. For example, I would know to look for any linkages to plug-ins shared with FF even if there's no registry linkage (and I haven't checked whether there is/isn't), but what if Opera is using or depending on some else I don't know about and the registry linkages aren't obvious (and admittedly, I don't know if such situations exist or even could exist, but I tend to do a lot of "what-if-ing" ).

...So it would just be nice if reality was the way I'd like it to be and a simple fresh install to a new folder worked for all of these situations!


BTW, how's that http://brooklyn64.com/ site working now?
I also thought of you and this thread earlier today when another Opera user reported difficulty with this site that I found pretty slow loading in Opera 11.01, Opera 9.27 and K-Meleon all 3. I haven't analyzed it at all, and it may not involve the same issues you were discussing above, but I'm curious how it loads for you.

Originally posted by janusz:

For me, Day 0 +2, Opera continues to work like a charm.

Well, this is longer (I think) than any of the previous attempts which initially seemed to work, but quickly reverted.
So it sounds like you're good to go!

But I would enjoy hearing back after a few more days if it's still smooth sailing (...err, browsing).

Originally posted by janusz:

I got that deep, sickening feeling in the gut (like one gets when seeing the message "Can't find the operating system") last night when I went to a site that did not load. Turns out it was the site. Did not load in any browser. Wheee. :-)

BTW, that 15-20 tab thing might have been mentioned somewhere regarding JS, but my first thought when you mentioned it was Flash objects. Whether it's one or the other, or both, my personal observations on 2 different machines lead me to think in terms of a fuzzy/blurry ceiling for the number of tabs depending on system CPU and RAM. I can generally run about 30-45 tabs in my P-III 733 MHz with 512 MB RAM, whether they are all in one version of Opera or two versions run simultaneously (or occasionally even in a third browser). In my other system (Athlon XP 2800+ with 1.5 GB RAM, currently down with a dead mobo), I generally ran 50-80 tabs. On both systems, I would typically also have 10-15 Explorer windows open, constant streaming music, and 15-25 other small applications running.

When I'm near the ceiling on either system, I start having more problems with 100% CPU usage, pages loading slowly, tabs or the whole browser being temporarily non-responsive, occasional crashes of Opera 9.27 (don't think I've had 11.01 crash yet), etc., and my impression is that the crashes are often Flash related and often on a tab that is in the background (though wouldn't know how to verify that).