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2. March 2011, 18:47:06

sibelius

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Opera does not complete to load the webpage

Hello, many times Opera does not terminate to load the webpage and shows the number of pending elements as you can see in the image. Net settings are as default. I also tried different but nothing changes. This does not happen all the time but frequently.

Do you know what can I do?. Thanks.


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Version
11.01

Build
1190

Platform
Win32

System
Windows XP

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23. March 2011, 21:33:28 (edited)

hobbler

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yeah its true

Firefox4 doesn't seem to get any n-1 hangs on the same sites I go to. p

It does load the State Lottery web page I go to somewhat at a slower pace but that page is so "busy" it really taxes the system. Even Opera is slow at that site.

I ran Fox4 right out of the box too, no tweaking.
and the plugins are in it too.

Opera is good for those that like to customize, but maybe the n-1 hangs are still due to some 3rd party ad (my viewpoint)confused

Well they do have a page about n-1 hangs on Firefox.
The best tip I saw in there was to turn off Hyperthreading if you have a Pentium 4 chip.
I know you can turn that off through the BIOS settings, I have seen that before and switched it off a long time ago for WindowsXP.
Another tip they say is maybe too many stored "Sessions" of Tabs?
Take a look, too bad Opera doen't even have a page about this n=1 hang.

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Firefox%20hangs

HTH
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AMD Quad Core A6 3620 2.2GHZ
Radeon HD 6530D Graphics
16GB DDR3 RAM 1333MHZ

23. March 2011, 21:53:07

sibelius

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Thanks
I have a Pentium 4 bigeyes . I won´t mess with BIOS yikes
Why did you switched it off for WindowsXP?

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23. March 2011, 21:56:48

janusz

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Originally posted by hobbler:

... but maybe the n-1 hangs are still due to some 3rd party ad (my viewpoint)confused



You mean all those ad companies joining together in a conspiracy? smile Could be -- sometimes, inconsistently, whenever, maybe, probably, intermittantly. It is not the ads but Opera's (mis)rendering of them. As it is, the Opera browser is not reading, rendering, displaying what it needs to display. You can block all ads with hosts file or even the old, but trusty Proxomitron -- and its still happens. There is no discernable pattern. The only thing consistent is its randomness and restarts often allows the site to load. Sad state of affairs, for Opera, really.

23. March 2011, 22:07:51

sibelius

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3rd party ad? I one uses hosts+block content I don´t think there will be many 3rd party ads messing around.
I like it that this thread is more of a friendly conversation that a search for a fix, which I consider lost at this point smile

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23. March 2011, 22:42:31

janusz

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I really did not see anything on that FF link that lead me to believe there was anything close to being n-1. What they presented seems more like solutions for persistent, repeatable problems instead of the phantom n-1. Besides, if the do have n-1 problems they did not mention restart, restart, restart as a workaround.

It is interesting that they do have an information site on similar problems. We have conversations.

Yeah, it's been conversational for a long time -- yet, some new thoughts about the probems have been introduced. I do know the solution is not anything we can "tweak out." We talk about javascript playing a role. I think that CSS also play a role in this. Basically, all scripts regardless of source. The restarts work -- eventually, if you try enough times -- simply because it clears the decks and Opera has another run at rendering the site.

yikes Oh, my Opera 9.64 is faster than stock FF4.

24. March 2011, 10:06:55

sibelius

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Not so simple, with compatibility it does not even start:

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Opera Error
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Failed to load the Unicode compatibility layer OUniAnsi.DLL because:
No se puede encontrar el módulo especificado.


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Aceptar
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24. March 2011, 10:22:52

sibelius

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I was to put a pic of a n-1 page but I could not upload it to an image host because of n-1 and then i could not use the formatting here due to n-1 and then i got fed up so then i have to restart our dear Opera.

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24. March 2011, 14:26:31

janusz

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Originally posted by sibelius:

I was to put a pic of a n-1 page but I could not upload it to an image host because of n-1 and then i could not use the formatting here due to n-1 and then i got fed up so then i have to restart our dear Opera.



Ummmm. I'm not sure as to why you would lose the image. Try Xnview. Free imaging software. http://www.xnview.com Save to desktop. And take advantage of the Opera 2 GB storage gdveggie mentioned.

24. March 2011, 16:40:28

sibelius

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I did not lose the image. I use irfanview. i could not upload it to a host because of n-1 and also I could not paste the link here due to n-1 and the format buttons in this form not working for same reason. Thanks.

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25. March 2011, 00:00:58

hobbler

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Originally posted by sibelius:

I did not lose the image. I use irfanview. i could not upload it to a host because of n-1 and also I could not paste the link here due to n-1 and the format buttons in this form not working for same reason. Thanks.



Wow beer thats some bad n-1 over hang !

When you reply use the format buttons above to change the text elements, its easy
Never had any problem changing things here

Anyhow since you have a Pentium 4 chip, you really should look into the BIOS and see if its settings are On or Off.
It doesn't work as claimed to speed up processes in WinXP.
When I tried it on WindowsXP it just had quirky software reactions all around. My observations.
After it was turned off the computer "acted normal" again.
You can also do a Google search and read about This.

When you re-boot the computer and see the splash screen press F2 or Delete key to get into the BIOS before Windows starts. This happens fast so watch for it.
Then find the setting in the BIOS for performance or something like that and look to see if Hyperthreading is on or off.
Use the keyboard arrows in the BIOS to make changes, the mouse won't respond for it. Save and then exit.
That will help the PC Globally, it might stop the n-1 hangs.
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AMD Quad Core A6 3620 2.2GHZ
Radeon HD 6530D Graphics
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25. March 2011, 01:32:58

sibelius

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Ok I disabled Hyperthreading although the BIOS clearly states enable for WIN XP.
The only problem in my system is Opera. Why would I have to change all settings just to run a buggy soft?
I just did it because you suggested. First n-1 and I will enable it again, so behave Opera!

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25. March 2011, 01:38:59

hobbler

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Originally posted by sibelius:

Ok I disabled Hyperthreading although the BIOS clearly states enable for WIN XP.
The only problem in my system is Opera. Why would I have to change all settings just to run a buggy soft?
I just did it because you suggested. First n-1 and I will enable it again, so behave Opera!



Thats good because now the Hyperthreading is Disabled Globally in Windows.

That should help runs programs smoother.
Yes thats what Opera is for, to customize and set up for the best use on your PC.

I noticed there is a new version today of the Flash Player maybe that fixes the You Tube problem.
10.2.153.1
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25. March 2011, 01:56:29

sibelius

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>Yes thats what Opera is for, to customize and set up for the best use on your PC.

Opera should be to customize Opera, your browser, not the whole system just to run it!! smile

Yes, thanks, I already updated Flash

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25. March 2011, 02:30:41

janusz

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Originally posted by hobbler:

Yes thats what Opera is for, to customize and set up for the best use on your PC.


yikes Oh, now I see...I think...
I make system BIOS changes, numerous other tweaks, etc. in a desperate attempt to get ONE app to work, Opera, whereas other browsers work fine, because that's what Opera is for, to customize my system and who know what to set up for the best use of my PC?

Arghhhh. My head hurts. Yup. True.

jester Folks, we've been at this waaay toooo long. bigeyes We've progressed from Opera tweaks (exhausted all possibilities) and now moving to OSs tweaks, BIOS tweaks, searching for hidden magic that will bring Opera back to some kind of reliable life. Face it, that dog won't hunt. Hold for next version. smile


25. March 2011, 16:21:16 (edited)

hobbler

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jester Folks, we've been at this waaay toooo long. bigeyes We've progressed from Opera tweaks (exhausted all possibilities) and now moving to OSs tweaks, BIOS tweaks, searching for hidden magic that will bring Opera back to some kind of reliable life. Face it, that dog won't hunt. Hold for next version. smile

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Don't give up now, this is one of the longest threads posted in the Forum!

Thats what Phantom of the Opera makes you do, find that magical tweak that will make the fat lady sing!lol

Well, there should be a way to resolve the n-1 hangs but it can still be some code somewhere that causes this since Opera uses its own "engine" different than the other browsers.

Reminds me years ago, re: the vtcp.386 file in Win98 that had a mathematical code error which
caused n-1 hangs to never finish a page loading till Microsoft fixed it...
speaking of that, I did some more Homework and I think I have the Final Answer

I updated the Info on My Opera Blog page
http://my.opera.com/hobbler/blog/ethernet-settings and READ the part called "MTU SIZE IN WINDOWS AND N-1 HANG FOR DSL PPPoE"
Since I made this change OPERA 10.62 is Screaming Fast and no longer seems to get n-1 hangs, so far, so good
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25. March 2011, 22:40:16

sibelius

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Disabling hyperthreading used to work fine till now that i get n-1 in every page I load.
Maybe it is due to many tabs open, but that is what i want tabs for.

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25. March 2011, 22:41:56

janusz

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Yes, MTU can slow things down if there is a mismatch ISP-your MTU. Noticeably.

Best and easiest approach to optimizing TCP/IP is Cablenut. Use Cablenut for Win XP;I have not tried it on Win 7.
http://www.broadbandnuts.com
"Tweak Your Internet Connection" -- Complete Cablenut setup here: http://www.j79zlr.com/cablenutXP2k.php

From an earlier post:

You can optimize Win XP TCP/IP internet connection with Cablenut (http://www.cablenut.com/); I have custom Win XP css file (if you like a copy, send me email address or whatever). I never leave home without it! :-)

There are a number of utilities that make it easy to set MTU. Make sure you use the correct value. Best way to determine best MTU setting is to determine latency time, etc. Keep in mind conditions change.
See: http://www.broadbandnuts.com/ping.shtml


25. March 2011, 23:52:00

sibelius

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Anything simpler? The soft does not load the registry values.


« SpeedGuide.net TCP Analyzer Results »
Tested on: 03.25.2011 19:48
IP address: xx.x.x.x
Client OS: Windows XP

TCP options string: 0204057801010402
MSS: 1400
MTU: 1440
TCP Window: 65535 (NOT multiple of MSS)
RWIN Scaling: 0 bits
Unscaled RWIN : 65535
Recommended RWINs: 64400, 128800, 257600, 515200, 1030400
BDP limit (200ms): 2621kbps (328KBytes/s)
BDP limit (500ms): 1049kbps (131KBytes/s)
MTU Discovery: ON
TTL: 115
Timestamps: OFF
SACKs: ON
IP ToS: 00000000 (0)



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26. March 2011, 02:53:32 (edited)

janusz

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That's just the results from the analyzer. Something strange about that MTU value.

Go back to http://www.j79zlr.com/cablenutXP2k.php (this is the page with the instructions) an insert the data, compute settings and name/save your CCS file...THEN go to Cablenut/Adjuster (you did download it, right? There is ccs file update for xp, too), and to this:

1. Open Adjuster. Options: select Win2k (same as WinxP). Before you do anything else, click on Retrieve Current Registry Values. You will see them populate the form. Next, Click on File-Save Custom Setting File and save as MyOriginalSettings.ccs.

2. Click on File-Open Custom Setting and select the custom ccs file you got from analyzer OR use one of Cablenut's settings. Save to registry. Reboot.

Change MTP: No need to get into registry; go here: http://www.broadbandreports.com/tools and download DrTCP to change MTU value.

Here is my ccs file, named OPTIMAL_.ccs. Load into Adjuster to see how things work. Use it as a starter (note things discussed on this thread: max connection settings, TCPMaxHalfOpen, etc.)

Make sure you determine the correct MTU setting and make the change with DrTCP.

j

26. March 2011, 03:33:16

hobbler

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You See that's what I don't like, all that 3rd party software written by someone not working at Microsoft.
(I have tried some of them in the past)

That's why I'd rather do it myself in the Registry Manually, following their instructions. Most would find it too technical.
Maybe because I have used Windows like that for years before there were programs to change settings back then.

Microsoft offers an easy "Fix It" tool so you don't have to do all that math and fractions which is time consuming.
Take a look at My blog page with the link to Microsoft's Fix It Page.

So that would be the easy way out which would put the correct values in the Registry anyhow.

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26. March 2011, 05:13:09

janusz

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Originally posted by hobbler:

You See that's what I don't like, all that 3rd party software written by someone not working at Microsoft.
(I have tried some of them in the past)



yikes Whoooaaa! Before you jump off on Cablenut, you might just look into it first. I am really surprised that you are not aware of Cablenut -- or at least look into it before making assumptions; its been around for years and a very popular little tool. Trying some in the past is irrelevant if you're not familiar with this nice tool. As for correct values, maybe you should go to those sites and read the instructions and information. Look, then leap.

Cablenut/Adjuster makes the changes to the registry, that's it. It is a passive utility. It is not some active software that loads into the system. It no more interferes with anything that any manual tweak you might make. Every configure a .reg file that loads into registry key to change data, etc.? Same thing. IF this is 3rd party sofware, then your manual tweaks in the registry qualifies YOU as 3rd party software. smile Not written by someone at MS? Why are you screwing with Opera then instead of IE? confused Better stay out of the registry unless you are MSVP dude.

Okay, enough of that. Seriously, nothing wrong with using the MS MTU thingie. Is that 3rd party also? I ask because there are many such utilities written by other than MS folk but offered by MS, i.e., sysinternals. BUT, if you really want to tweak your system to your network, then Cablenut/Adjuster is a fine utility. It is essentially a registry changer. Easy, safer, and newbie-friendly. No chance of screwing things up as is possible when making manual changes. Faster, too, than plundering through the registry. You can use the various configuration files or make your own. Of course, if you like to feel the saddle when you rde, so to speak, then manual registry changes are for you!

26. March 2011, 05:39:02

hobbler

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Just to let you know I have changed settings in the registry manually many times using the correct syntax and not "screwed" it up. For many years in Windows.

As long as you have a brain and can think in an undisturbed work area and follow Procedure so as not to make mistakes its fine.
Its set up to be adjusted anyway, thats why it runs Windows.

Yes I know the other 3rd party stuff is out there for most general users too,
but most are "rigid" and you can do things on your own that "3rd party's" won't let you adjust.
Plus they never seem to really explain in detail enough just gloss over things.

But then a lot of people use them and I remember asking some questions to a MSVP "dude" once and he had no answer! They don't know it all either.
Its just me that I like the hands on learn by doing approach rather than a quick fix bandaid!

So it helps to learn over the years and gain knowledge and not be so unsure of things.
But its up to you and your skills.

and I haven't seen much n-1 hang with the MTU tweak, except if its a "heavy" flash loaded, javascript, graphics, overloaded overkill site!
my 2 cents doh yeah its late take it easy
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26. March 2011, 06:03:48 (edited)

janusz

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Look, I have made many registry changes. No big deal, like you said if you are awake. Professionals, experts only. Do not do this alone at home. smile
My point was/is that some folk don't know diddly or even bo diddly about the registry and are reluctant to make any changes. A nice utility like cablenut makes it easy and there are plenty of links on those site that provide complete information on all the setting (one being MS link).

I was experimenting with 11.01 with about 30 tabs open and trolling for n-1 sites. I found several. Restarts did not help. I look into source file and the only thing I saw was pagead2.googlesyndication.com -- and it is in my hosts file, so should not be a problem, right? Well, just for the heck of it, I entered http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/* into Opera's blocked content. Restart. Loaded in a flash. I've tried several times to get them to go n-1 but will not. It is nice to see all the tabs "light up" on restart. I'm still trolling for n-1 sites. It is puzzling how a hosts file did not block the content Opera's blocked content did????

UPDATE: I have over 80 tabs (can hardly make them out they are so packed!) and no n-1. Never has Opera 11.01 worked so well with so many tabs. Nice. I will add a few more tabs to see if I can find another n-1.

26. March 2011, 06:37:56

janusz

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Well, I don't know. We've been up this road before and lost our way. smile I can't figure out why hosts file block it in IE and FF but not Opera; that's as far as I've gotten. How is that even possible. Hosts file may indeed block it but Opera still looks for that ONE something and the local content blocker kills the wait and n-1 never appears. My brain is fried on this stuff.

Whatever...I tried to coax n-1 out of the woods with all those open tabs. As I open each, they loaded fast and complete. I restarted several times, rebooted several times. No n-1.

Any improvement may be simply due to 3/25/2011 browser.js. If you don't have it just go to Help-Check for Updates. It will take a few seconds and then tell you that you have latest version -- this check also d/ls browser.js and some other files, if needed.

26. March 2011, 10:58:11 (edited)

sibelius

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Originally posted by janusz:

That's just the results from the analyzer. Something strange about that MTU value.

Go back to http://www.j79zlr.com/cablenutXP2k.php (this is the page with the instructions) an insert the data, compute settings and name/save your CCS file...THEN go to Cablenut/Adjuster (you did download it, right? There is ccs file update for xp, too), and to this:

1. Open Adjuster. Options: select Win2k (same as WinxP). Before you do anything else, click on Retrieve Current Registry Values. You will see them populate the form.




As I mentioned, cablenut it does not retrieve original registry settings for me confused

I connect through NIC Fast Ethernet PCI Familia RTL8139 de Realtek . Is this DSL with router or RasPPPoE seting in http://www.j79zlr.com/cablenutXP2k.php?

I did another test here, simpler:
http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks (java)

The results do not show a problem:
http://www.dslreports.com/tweakr/block:1a0f7a0?service=dsl&speed=100&os=winXP&via=routerpppoe

I used the Microsoft Fixit with 1500 value. i did not know it changes things without asking for confirmation .

I added pagead to the block file :smile:

Thanks

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26. March 2011, 22:28:07 (edited)

janusz

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sibelius--

1. Just to be sure we are talking about the same thing. Download and INSTALL Cablenut (default: C:\Program Files\Cablenut). This is not the form on the j79zlr site. Click on adjuster.exe. Click on Retrieve Current Registry Values. Of course, it could be that you do not have the entries in your registry (?) but should have a few. In any case, load any of the ccs files or the one (custom for WinXP) I gave you and you should be good to go.



2a. NIC Fast Ethernet PCI, etc. This is just your ethernet NIC (network interface card) adapter card. Do you have router? RasPPPoE may be for dial-up interface or something like that. Is your internet DSL connection always on? Most are; then use 1500 MTU. If your DSL goes to router (multiple computer on local network), then use 1492. In doubt, run the TCP/IP analyzer show on that page (BEST!) or the java tweak.

2b. The java tweak will give you recommend MTU also.

3a. If you used the java tweak MTU recommended value, then you are good to go! Now, load the Cablenut tweak for optimum performance.

3b. Unless you use a app like Resplendent Registar, registry changes do not give you confirmation check, etc. Therein the danger when doing registry hacks manually. Don't do it when tired and sleepy. smile BTW, Resplendent Registar makes registry changes safer, etc. But, like hobbler pointed out, if one is conscious with all mental systems "go," then no problemo. For others, it's an euphoric registry high facing potential wipeout, somewhat like skydiving rush (I used to do that regularly, too).yes

At the bottom of th page, there are other registry tweaks: "Don't forget to do these tweaks too" -- these are files you simple click on and they load into your registry with full explanation.

4. About the pagead2 google syndication block: I've continued my trolling this morning to find one, little, bitty n-1 to play with. So far, everything I find, loads. My tabs are a dense array; unable to distinguish among them. I'm at 80. Yeah, restart, reboot, means it takes a bit longer to load all the sites, but, what the heck, they do load fully. It works for me, so far, but may not do diddly for others; after all, it is the Phantom of the Opera.

26. March 2011, 22:22:00 (edited)

janusz

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Is GOOGLE the ELEPHANT we "blindmen" have been describing?

A quick search with IxQuick, now called StartPage (easy to add to Opera; see www.startpage.com), for stalled page loading pagead2 reveals that this is a continuing old problem and with more and more websites trying to earn their clicks, it is now ubiquitous!! http://us2.startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?

There are numerous posts from people asking how to improve download speed with googlecrap, how to prevent page hangs with pagead2, very slow web laoding waiting for pagead2, etc.

Remove the ELEPHANT...
Add to content blocker (or if you use OpenDNS add to the block list):
http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/*

Also, consider also adding:
http://www.google-analytics.com/*



I don't have any n-1 problems with IE and FF (hosts file blocks them). Strange that Opera has this problem even with hosts file. Some kind of confounding issue. In any case, adding the urls to the content blocker works for me. EVERY site that I have had problems with n-1 has pagead2 and/or analytics googlecrap. Is this a positive correlation or something incidental?

Try it and see if this helps!

UPDATE: Still testing...and ALL sites/pages load completely!! When I remove the urls from blocked content (Tools-Advanced-Blocked Content instead of individual site preference), the n-1 problem appear; replace the urls and n/n!!! Wow! Even with a lot of tabs open, all pages load completely -- even though the overall loading of all sites/tabs can take about a minute. I'm back to about 10 open site/tabs now. I have put Opera 9.64 back into the archive and am now using Opera 11.01.

26. March 2011, 23:18:00

sibelius

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Try http://email.about.com/od/gmailmailcheckers/gr/galert.htm

It gets stuck at 25/25 with the urls added

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26. March 2011, 23:27:29

janusz

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Well, you know the story: It loads in a flash for me. I'm also using hosts file so a lot of the ads are not displayed. It may be the ads waiting to load?

26. March 2011, 23:53:02

sibelius

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I also have the hosts file. It finally loaded here. I am out for pizza smile i am so tired of this that I hope I do not see the opera log in the tomatoes.

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27. March 2011, 01:13:42

hobbler

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Sibelius,
Janusz,

Listen I have to tell you Cablenut is outdated old software, Do Not Use It !
It will not help you, its just a time waster band aid approach, and they use old information pulled from Microsoft going back to the days of Windows95, they don't even update their website.

Like I mentioned before, all that stuff was Bogus until Microsoft found out and admitted the vtcp.386 file had a math problem and wouldn't time out so there was a hang forever in Win98 back then.
When that file was corrected and applied to Windows, then it worked correctly. I used to carry that file on a floppy back then and "fix" many PC's with that problem. It made a difference in those days.

Ok Maybe I forgot to mention that whenever you make a change in the registry and "Modify" thats it , its done, there is no confirmation because this is the Basic info Windows loads on a reboot, its not a program in Windows. Thats why you do it properly and without mistakes and if you don't , then remember to write down each step on paper as you go along if you forget how to trace your changed settings.

janusz ,
glad you went back to Opera 11.01 and it works because you found that Google ad mess up!
That has been a problem which has been talked about before but glad you found a real solution that works because of them.
I will have to install your "fix" to my Opera 10.62 browser when I get a chance and try it too.

This is why I even mentioned to block them using the Opt-Out from Google but it only works in Firefox on My Opera Blog page before about Cookies. So yes you need to block Google seperately in Opera.
Google has some "anti-Opera attitude" about them and you found it!
Yes maybe Opera doesn't see the "Host" file with the way it "reads" Windows or is it due to turning off "Server Name Completion"?


still looking at your posts re-reading them, and will have to try your n-1 hang fix soon and reply to more Posts here!!!!
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27. March 2011, 07:44:03 (edited)

janusz

Posts: 226

Originally posted by hobbler:

Sibelius,
Janusz,

Listen I have to tell you Cablenut is outdated old software, Do Not Use It !
It will not help you, its just a time waster band aid approach, and they use old information pulled from Microsoft going back to the days of Windows95, they don't even update their website.

What evidence do you have other than an opinion? *Sigh* Facts please, no opinions. Win 95/98? Geeez. IF you read the sites, both sites, you would have found information about updates for WinXP or did you even get that far? Thought so. Did you look into those settings. They are simply compilation of multiple tweaks, much like you have suggested, all in one place. One could argue each, case by case -- and they have been -- but to dismiss all as a time waster is a head-in-the-sand factless statement. No updates? Think about it...work with me on this -- they are registry tweaks. No need for udates unless there is some kind of new updated registry for WinXP. The tweaks are no mystery. In fact, the Win XP definitions (see www.cablenut.com, Win2k XP Definitions) are taken direct from the Microsoft White pages at Technet. A quick look and you will see advantages/disadvantage associated with each. As when making manual registry changes, this also requires some minimum congnitive awareness, so know what you are doing -- and that is best accomplished by reading the instructions, etc. Want help/opinion on your Cablenut settings? Go to the forum: http://www.dslnuts.com/discussion/index.php

I have used Cablenut Adjuster for years and even discovered a minor error in one optimization guide. Some tweaks are minor and depending on one's setup may not contribute great performance gains, but some are very good. I don't come to this as a newbie; a few years ago I did side-by-side machine performance comparisons. I can postitively say, without reservation, that WinXP performance greatly improved for the given interface, internet connection, etc.

As far and n-1, I'm satisfied that it's working for me. I also fine-tuned three Cablenut-Adjuster tweaks so that has to be a contributing factor to no more n-1s. I tried the content blocks on my other machine and I still had a few n-1s. Subsequently, I made same tweak changes and its working fine.

Bottom line is that it is an Opera issue, regardless. These tweaks somehow minimizes exposure.


27. March 2011, 13:25:49

sibelius

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I can´t understand why if I set MTU to 1500 using the MS fix Hobbler posted, the test page still shows 1440.



BTW you can see what I use to edit the registry: Regeditx. Very nice and simple I think, start/run/regeditx and you have regedit enhanced. No undo.
DO NOT download the last version, it does expire. Last freeware is v2 e.g. from http://www.brothersoft.com/regeditx-79335.html

janusz how did you put that nice arrow in your pic?. I click there and nothing shows.

Sorry, I still don´t get my connection type. I have (according to vendor) ADSL 1 Mbps, 256 Kbps Upload. I use a Huawei smartAX MT882 modem connected to ethernet. The PC is not always on.

What should I chose in
http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks
and
http://www.j79zlr.com/cablenutXP2k.php

Thanks

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27. March 2011, 19:25:37 (edited)

janusz

Posts: 226

Thanks, gdveggie!! I have Resplendent Registrar Pro (older version but Win XP is still Win XP); used it for years. Nice to see freeware alternatives.

See http://alternativeto.net/ for more alternatives, freeware and cheapos.

sibelius, I have sent you pm with step-by-step details.

Also, Note on the SpeedGuide online Analyzer:

"Default TCP Receive Window (RWIN)" value is incorrect! RWIN is TCP Receive Window, not DefaultReceiveWindow. However, the value the analyzer displays is DefaultReceiveWindow not RWIN (TCP Receive Window: TCPWidowSize ) . Two different things.
1. The DefaultReceiveWindow is an AFD paramenter not TCP/IP. The AFD parameter allows you to allocate memory for your network connections. To obtain this value, multiply your DSL advertised speed in KB times 1024. This value is based on bytes of memory, this is why you multiply by 1024, 1024 = 1mb or memory.

Simple example:
512 kbps/8 = 64KB

64 x 1024 = 65536 (DefaultReceiveWindow value)

Manually enter DefaultReceiveWindow in Cablenut Adjuster Tweak Screen, Save.

2. TCPWindowSize On average it is best for the RWIN value to be a multiple of the MSS value.

For optimum performance, consider changing RWIN to a multiple of MSS.
Other RWIN values that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
513920 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 8)
256960 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 4)
128480 (MSS x 44 * scale factor of 2)
64240 (MSS x 44)

OR, use this RWIN Online Calculator to determine value: http://www.broadbandnuts.com/bitsbytes.shtml

Manually enter RWIN (TCPWindowSize in Cablenut Adjuster Tweak Screen, Save.


Is there another way to tweak? Sure!
TCP Optimzer is a nice alternative to Cablenut-Adjuster:
Windows 9x/ME/2K/XP/XP-SP2/2k3/Vista/7/2008; Version: 3.0.7, 03/22/2011
http://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php

Documentation:
http://www.speedguide.net/tcpoptimizer.php


The nice arrow? (Image only) It is all part of SnagIt. http://www.techsmith.com/snagit/features/win/

j

27. March 2011, 17:57:41

janusz

Posts: 226

Yeah, I bought it long ago at some high price. I was beginning to dabble in registry tweaks so I liked its safety feature if I ever needed to undo anything. You know what? I never had to undo anything! awww Did I get my money's worth? Peace of mind, I suppose. I rarely use RR today. I looked over the features of the lite version and it looks like it is full-feature app. Nice tool to have in the registry toolbox.

27. March 2011, 20:49:48

hobbler

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Originally posted by sibelius:

I can´t understand why if I set MTU to 1500 using the MS fix Hobbler posted, the test page still shows 1440.



. I have (according to vendor) ADSL 1 Mbps, 256 Kbps Upload. I use a Huawei smartAX MT882 modem connected to ethernet. The PC is not always on.


Thanks



Because its bunk !
I just took that test too , it shows completely "WRONG" Information and I know my settings are different.

So don't go by all these sites that say they know how to tweak Windows O/S, most don't do any good.
My MTU is 1464 in the correct Registry location from Microsofts own fixed information documents where they had a wrong key listed even in their own information in the past.
Obviously , Speedguide is reading Info from another Registry Key which isn't what you are using.

« SpeedGuide.net TCP Analyzer Results »
Tested on: 03.27.2011 16:39
IP address: 64.148.xx.xx
Client OS: Windows 2000

TCP options string: 020405ac01010402
MSS: 1452
MTU: 1492
TCP Window: 17424 (multiple of MSS)
RWIN Scaling: 0 bits
Unscaled RWIN : 17424
Recommended RWINs: 63888, 127776, 255552, 511104, 1022208
BDP limit (200ms): 697kbps (87KBytes/s)
BDP limit (500ms): 279kbps (35KBytes/s)
MTU Discovery: ON
TTL: 114
Timestamps: OFF
SACKs: ON
IP ToS: 00000000 (0)


HTH
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27. March 2011, 23:10:34 (edited)

janusz

Posts: 226

Maybe the "fix" is MS bunk! Useless! smile
hobbler, add something constructive instead of broad opinions!
SpeedGuide is not bunk but stop and think a bit. What it is displaying is the NIC setting. Why does it not state that? Read. Why does not the "fix" not state that NIC needs to be in agreement? Are they both bunk? Naw, no need to jump off the deep end. You need both NIC and Windows MTU settings in agreement. Neither is bunk. Duh.

sibelius - First, note that the "fix" is for Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) connections or for virtual private network (VPN) connections. Does this match your setup? I would guess that is does since PPP is the most popular method for transporting IP packets over a serial link between the user and the ISP. Second, if so, then did you reboot after the "fix"? Good practice if making any registry changes. Third, did you use the correct "fix," the one for PPP connections at the top of the page?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826159

You can verify directly by checking registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\NdisWan\Parameters\Protocols\0\\ProtocolMTU





27. March 2011, 23:47:24

sibelius

Posts: 425

After applying the MS fix I got the values in the abobe caption for
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\NdisWan\Parameters\Protocols\0\\ProtocolMTU

Then I applied TCPOptimizer because I liked it.

The values for the ProtocolMTU are the same, but I think it adds other in another sections.

Yes I always reboot.

Until now everything is ok. smile

I still have to see the other tweaks.

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28. March 2011, 01:24:46

janusz

Posts: 226

Wonderful!
TCP Optimizer is excellent. I prefer Cablenut Adjuster because it lays out all the tweaks and can easily be modified w/o going into the registry. If MTU was not optimized then you should notice an improvment in performance.

1. April 2011, 03:47:20

hobbler

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Originally posted by janusz:

Maybe the "fix" is MS bunk! Useless! smile ( Now your making opinions!)
sibelius - First, note that the "fix" is for Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) connections or for virtual private network (VPN) connections.



Where did you get the idea to use PPP VPN setup? Thats wrong for a Home User.
Thats for an Intranet. There are Two Microsoft Fix It Utilities, You must use the correct one to reset the default global settings.

You want PPPoE on the Modem not through Windows.

Anyhow, use whatever program you like, I still like to do things Manually in Windows for better control, thats just me.
idea

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1. April 2011, 06:32:49

janusz

Posts: 226

Funny stuff...lol

How good are your reading skills? Did you actually read my comments? Or did you read the sites you recommended for the "fix"? If you read registry hacks like this, then you are in for "adventures." The "fix" site you recommended has two options: 1) MTU for PPP Connections and 2) MTU for VPN connections.
PPP connections are connections such as modem connections, Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) connections, or direct cable connections.

VPN (virtual private network) connections are Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol (PPTP) connections or Layer 2 Tunneling Protocol (L2TP) connections.

Although many of these tweaks help, they are not the ultimate solution but do, in toto, make a nice workaround, of sorts. Unfortunately, in spite of all these recommended tweaks, n-1s still pop up now and then. We have stompted the mudhole dry on this one.

So, with that I bid thee fairwell. Other adventures call.

janusz

1. April 2011, 23:42:46

hobbler

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Originally posted by janusz:

Funny stuff...lol

How good are your reading skills? Did you actually read my comments?
So, with that I bid thee fairwell. Other adventures call.

janusz



Stop parsing every word like a school teacher, relax...

The tweaks I made in Windows have drastically improved Opera and Firefox. I like it better now.
Guess its done here.

So it looks like this post has become its own "Soap Opera"
jester
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13. April 2011, 02:57:46

sofiabrown1

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The problem is due to a long movie "preloading", and this happens on Opera browsers when loading WMP videos. I have solved this problem by forcing the WMP player to play TWO movies using a playlist (mpu) file. The first video is very short (one frame), and so when it loads it does not take long at all. This is the short, one-frame preload. Then when the visitor presses the image for the movie, the first movie plays very rapidly, and the next one loads not until then. This way, the page loads quickly, and behaves correctly. The long movie no longer causes initial page loading delay because the preload only loads the first single-frame movie in the playlist.

16. April 2011, 01:09:28

CaliKid69

Posts: 1

Is anyone having problems playing games on facebook? I can't get Mafia Wars to load so I can play, but I can see my notification's... but when I click one I get an almost white screen with just "English | Deutsch | Español | Français | Italiano | Português | Bahasa Indonesia | Türkçe
Twitter| Fan Page | YouTube | Mafiawars.com | Blog | Forums | Support
Privacy Policy | Terms of Service
All items including but not limited to user interface, design, game design, artwork and scoring system Copyright © 2011 Zynga Inc. All rights reserved." and that's it. This is the stuff that is usually at the bottom of the screen. I need help... can anyone of you help me get my Mafia Wars back???

3. May 2011, 21:08:43

lksd

Posts: 7

Last post was 16th of April, time to refresh the conversation and prolong the longest thread, according to whomever said it was the longest one.

1. I have / had the same issue. Opera 11.10(2092) on Win7 32b [Intel Atom], HSPA 7.2Mbps down 5.2Mbps up.

2. Opera configuration is tweaked for general population and takes in to account all situations. So you should adjust it to your personal preference.
I have changed:
Max Connections Total 64 -> 32, because hspa = high latency andtherefore timeouts.
Max Persistent Connections Server tried 6 -> 4 and 6->8 either way it was worse, stuckwith default 6
Network Buffer Size 128 -> 64, 128 kb is way too much if you ask me, i think FFX is using 32kb receive buffer, but can't be sure.

I was using http://stevesouders.com/hpws/max-connections.php to check if my configuration was good or bad. Page loaded, no pictures missing = good, page loaded pictures missing = bad. Sad thing is, FFX without any tweaks loads and renders pages faster than Opera, also when i was using FFX i had no n-1 issue, but i still prefer Opera smile

Still from time to time i get a page that hangs there not being loaded, which pisses me off beyond imagination, and I just hope this issue will be somehow addressed and fixed.
6c:6b:73:64

4. May 2011, 00:56:54

XP1

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Originally posted by lksd:

...

Still from time to time i get a page that hangs there not being loaded, which pisses me off beyond imagination, and I just hope this issue will be somehow addressed and fixed.

Did you try disabling JavaScript temporarily to determine if it is involved instead of the connection settings?

4. May 2011, 01:10:04

janusz

Posts: 226

So, if JS is involved, then what? Sure, it is an issue behind n-1 errors on loading.

Really, this has all been discussed upsteam and seems to go in cycles (not reading thread?).

10. May 2011, 07:57:34 (edited)

janusz

Posts: 226

lksd's post got me to rethinking Max Persistent Connections Server. The default is 6, so I tried 4 and, to my amazement, I've totally eliminated all n-1 errors and slow loading. Loads super fast.

So, while other tweaks helped, this fixed my problem. The link (below) with all the images on 30 hosts really will give you an idea how Opera loads and how fast. I love to see ALL of those things load in seconds!!

http://stevesouders.com/hpws/max-connections.php

Enter in address bar: Opera:config
Go to Performance tab

In Opera 9.xx, there is not specific setting for Max Persistent Connections Server -- just a checkbox labled, "Reduce Max Persistent Connections Server."

I do not have to restart or reboot; I get quick, clean loading of all sites! Over a week now! How pleasant.

Way to go lksd! Congratulations! You solved the problem!

j

11. May 2011, 18:51:22 (edited)

janusz

Posts: 226

Greetings, gdveggie!!

Yes, those play a role and I've change some of the settings. But, he did not mention the big one, IMHO:
Max Persistent Connections Server. Yeah, we have a WINNER!

You seldom see it mentioned because it was only a checkbox in versions up to and INCLUDING version 11.01. So, this is new with version 11.11 -- now you can select specific values. Maybe this is Opera's solution to n-1?? I have had as many as 30 open tabs and they all open fast. Quite amazing, really. I have made the same changes to Opera on my other machines. All super fast, complete loading, etc.

For me, dropping it from the default of 6 to 4 was like sunshine after a storm!

My Opera is alive!

Of course, it may be a different value for others. This site really lets you see everything loading:
http://stevesouders.com/hpws/max-connections.php

The n-1 dragon has been slain...a new Opera adjustable setting noticed by lksd. Will this be the end of this maga-thread or will others come to see THE solution to the evil n-1 dragon?


j

12. May 2011, 22:00:07

hobbler

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I never changed the maximum persistent settings in Opera.

Its at the default 6 , (just like the Firefox default) and I thought that has to do with getting all the page elements on the same connection.

Anyhow I do have Enable Pipelining Checked, which seems some sites respond to better with it.

The connections per server are still at the default here.

I don't see n-1 hangs with the default settings. It seemed to be more with "tweaking" the Ethernet Card settings for a specific broadband connection, rather than just browser settings.

If it works for you on all sites over time then its interesting to know that.

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