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Unlike our two timing king, this was a treat.
An earlier recording and a broadcast of two films, based on Stephen King's stories.
The author picked his pseudonym wisely and without false modesty.
He is the King in this genre.


First, an earlier recording of the fantastic and Kafkaesque film 1408.
Although special effects have been used, they blend in into the story, complete and support it, while the story and the main character's experiences are the main thread.
And what experiences this guy goes through!!
Kafkaesque and surreal is by no means an exaggeration.
I can recommend this one to every fan of the genre.
Underneath the apparent thriller and supernatural horror, there lies the deeper more interesting story.
Oh, maybe this: 1+4+0+8=13
This may be our lucky day.
The sceptical mind and logical and rational approach to try to explain what's happening enforce the devastating effect this room has on the tormented author.
Nuff said, you'll just have to trust me on this and watch it.


Secret WIndow was broadcasted yesterday.
Another one based on one of King's novels, this time featuring a brilliant - isn't he always just that - Johnny Depp, featuring a writer in the midst of a divorce and writer's block.
I doubt Gates had this in mind when he baptised his monster Windows, but that's what windows do, they offer a look outside and/or inside.
Less horror but still enough, be it more relaxed suspense.
Unfortunately, I guessed the outcome, I had seen it before, somewhere, nevertheless, a great movie, with an underlying story.
I'm like that, either I get swept away by the photography and music, emotional, or I need to have a story that I can chew on for some time.
I guess those are my criteria for a good film.

Wiki pages:
1408
Secret WIndow

Shiny Happy People IIWim's Tim

Comments

Ceedex 7. November 2009, 11:38

Does Samuel swear as much as he usually does?

Btw, 1+4+0+8= 12bis.

solid copper 7. November 2009, 16:42

Sounds interesting. Good actors anyway, not that I am crazy about Johnny Depp like some American wide aunties.

daxonmacs 7. November 2009, 17:39

Originally posted by Ceedex:

Btw, 1+4+0+8= 12bis.


Only for fans of °1 :lol:

No, he doesn't. Actually, Samuel is a very distinguished hotel manager, in this film.

daxonmacs 7. November 2009, 17:41

Originally posted by solid copper:

not that I am crazy about Jonny Depp like some American wide aunties


:lol: You haven't found a word for the uncles, yet, eh?
Thanks, solid, the films were good, and actually, I'm starting to like Johnny Depp more and more, but I only saw him play the weirdo, so I'm waiting with a final analyses on this one.

solid copper 7. November 2009, 19:22

I thought I was going to rent Secret Window; but now that I have read the wiki page, I decide not to. A bit too much violence for me though it may not be graphic. I may watch it if it is broadcast on tv.

daxonmacs 7. November 2009, 19:26

I don't know what a "bit too much violence" means in your case, but it is not too graphic and compared to most action films, it's close to none.
A 2004 production is bound to appear on the telly soon.

solid copper 7. November 2009, 19:45

like killing his wife and her boyfriend and the suggestion of him cooking / eating the corn grown in his backyard that tears up the nutrients from the dead bodies buried underneath.

PainterWoman 7. November 2009, 21:50

Have seen neither of these movies but will eventually buy Secret Window as I would like to own all of Depp's movies.

daxonmacs 7. November 2009, 21:57

Actually, solid, none of that is shown, as I said, it goes deeper :lol:

daxonmacs 7. November 2009, 21:58

Pam, at the moment they are broadcasting "Pirates" ( Dead man's Chest) again. I do like Depp, but have never seen him play a regular guy, I guess that has to mean something, right?

PainterWoman 7. November 2009, 22:11

He's done quite a few movies based on true stories I know of and three I've seen and own are: Donny Brasco (he infiltrates the mob); Blow (the main character is a cocaine dealer and ends up in prison); and The Libertine where he plays the 17th writer, John Wilmot.

A regular guy? I don't think I've seen one he's played yet.

daxonmacs 7. November 2009, 22:14

Well, if you like him, you should grab the chance to see Secret Window, not his best performance, but he does quite a good job, as usual.

Deb Platt 7. November 2009, 22:20

Originally posted by daxonmacs:

I do like Deb, but have never seen him play a regular guy

If you can, see "What's eating Gilbert Grape". It's a very early work for him, but it remains one of my favorites (and he's pretty close to being a regular guy).

However as an American wide auntie (?!?!?), I of course like most of his movies. :rolleyes:

BTW I stopped by the local library and picked up the DVD for 1408. Hope to watch it this weekend.

daxonmacs 7. November 2009, 22:25

No, Deb, you don't belong in the category of the women that solid describes as Wild Aunties. She called you a cool woman, remember, and I honestly believe she means it, too.
Well, as far as I am concerned, I think you're a cool ma'am, too.
I guess the slip proved that, right? :lol:
Anyway, glad to have you around Deb :wink:
If you like King's stories, you'll certainly enjoy 1408, a very good adaptation, though I hadn't heard of the director before.

solid copper 7. November 2009, 22:28

You are by no means one of the "wild aunties", Deb. It is not about liking Depp's movies or performance.

solid copper 8. November 2009, 08:32

I just realized that I had misspelled "wild" in my first comment and since "wide" can be easily associated with "wide load", an American slang, it confused the hell out of our friend Deb. :lol:

daxonmacs 8. November 2009, 09:05

I had to look it up, I didn't know the term.
Oh dear! No, that's not Deb.

solid copper 8. November 2009, 09:30

It is a term used by the transportation industry. But at some point some people started using it to describe people who are overweight, particularly if they have a big ass. This was explained to me when I was in the US by a person who called himself that. He was only slightly overweight though.

daxonmacs 8. November 2009, 09:36

I found it on urbandictionary.
The transportation term is used here, as well, but is restricted to the transportation industry and their loads. :left:
Unlike zoological terms, such as chamber elephant etc , most disrespectful, really.
But then again, this is Antwerp, where subtlety resides alongside rudeness.
Speaking of load, well, I got rid of one :lol:

solid copper 8. November 2009, 09:41

Morning routine, eh?

daxonmacs 8. November 2009, 09:43

The caffeine principle, I'm afraid. I'm going to sleep some more, though, football in the afternoon. :smile:

咖啡 :wink:

Deb Platt 9. November 2009, 00:35

Bob doesn't usually care for horror films that have a supernatural element, so I watched 1408 while he read a sci-fi novel. Definitely creepy, but afterwards it left me thinking about consciousness and our judgments about what's real.

SPOILER ALERT!

As a child, I dreamed that I had fallen about 10 feet onto a concrete surface, and that I had died! But in the dream, consciousness continued past death and was no longer localized to my body. At any rate based on my personal experience, it is possible to "die" in a dream.

And back when I was in college, I had a nightmarish sort of dream that also reminded me a little of one of the scenes in the movie. I "woke up" several times during the dream (not really, I had only dreamed that I had woken up) and at some point realized that I was still actually dreaming. During the last round of this, I woke up in my attic bedroom, relieved that I was finally awake. Went downstairs and settled into the living room where I could hear the shower running, no doubt because my roommate was taking a shower. However after the shower went off and my "roommate" emerged, to my shock, it wasn't my roommate at all. It was some woman I had never seen before. There really wasn't anything menacing about this person, but I immediately realized that I was not really awake and that I was going through yet another round of dreaming that I had woken up, which was very unsettling in its own right. Anyway this movie reminded me of that long ago dream.

Actually once you realized what issues the main character was really dealing with (or, to put it better, refusing to deal with), I thought that the axe-wielding, hockey-mask-wearing, homicidal maniac was pretty tame in comparison.

daxonmacs 9. November 2009, 00:52

Dreams are strange indeed, Deb.
I've had similar experiences, about dreaming that I woke up, one time rather embarrassing :lol:
I can't say that I ever dreamt I died, like the main character, I assumed it was true one cannot die in one's dream. I always woke up before I hit the ground or whatever, when I dreamt of falling, usually with a sort of a bouncing shock, as if I had just fallen into my bed.

Thanks for sharing that!

solid copper 10. November 2009, 07:17

I would not watch that movie for precisely the same reason as Bob's. I wouldn't mind reading the Fever books though. I already had some good knowledge of the Celts and I liked the except of Faefever that I read. In fact I felt an instant admiration for the Author's writing talent.

daxonmacs 10. November 2009, 09:49

ANOTHER SPOILER ALERT:
Well, the supernatural forces or element can easily be seen as a metaphor, much like Kafka's The Metamorphosis, which this film reminded me of.
And as reality is in a certain way a subjective experience, this horror could be seen as the cleansing journey of tormented should. Except for the congratulations of the manager at the end. A manager that could be a shaman or shrink.


That being said, glad you approved of Moning's writing skills, I was attracted by them, too, as well as by the genre.
By the way, I looked up the term Unseelie and it seems to exist, I just never heard of it before this series.

Deb Platt 10. November 2009, 09:55

Bob will watch horror if there's no supernatural stuff. For instance, he regards the 1st movie in the Alien series to be sci-fi horror. And he points out that the "Resident Evil" video game series is really sci-fi horror since the zombies were all produced from a genetically engineered virus.

He did watch and enjoy "The Advocate", but he claimed the acting in this one made it worthwhile. He particularly liked Al Pacino's performance. It also confirmed his view that lawyers are evil (I'm kidding here!).

daxonmacs 10. November 2009, 10:08

You mean "The Devil's Advocate"?
Big fan of Al Pacino is replying to your comment here :cheers:
Personally, I like the supernatural element more than the plain sadistic chainsaw.
For some reason, that I will not get into here, I am very much attracted to it.
And from an impressionist's point of view, it can be considered as the subconscious {or even unconscious (psyche)} way of experiencing reality and stressful situations. This should not be seen as a plain denial of the existence of Pure Satanic Evil nor should it put me in the top region of possible Lucifer incarnations. After all, I cannot recite the Bible. :wink:

Deb Platt 10. November 2009, 16:00

Originally posted by daxonmacs:

You mean "The Devil's Advocate"?

You're right. I posted the above from my cell phone. If I'd been at my computer, I would have opened a tab in the browser and double-checked.

I like Pacino, too. I was just checking imdb.com. He apparently has been cast as King Lear in the Shakespeare play of the same name. It's going to be released next year. I look forward to seeing this.

Originally posted by daxonmacs:

it can be considered as the subconscious {or even unconscious (psyche)} way of experiencing reality

I think you are right. 1408 touched on dreams I had had. I think many supernatural horror flicks tap into this nightmare world that all of us have experienced.

I think from Bob's point of view, as soon as you introduce a supernatural element, anything can happen. The plot can take any direction due to a Deus ex machina or perhaps in this case it should be called a Devil ex machina.

BTW as an American wide auntie who loves Johnny Depp, he was in a movie whose plot was a bit similar to The Devil's Advocate, called The Ninth Gate. I thought it was an interesting take on the subject matter; it definitely had an emotional impact on me. I thought it was unsettling and disturbing.

On a lighter note, I also enjoyed Sleepy Hollow, which was an entirely new treatment of the Legend of Sleepy Hollow story. In his version, Depp plays an urban Ichabod Crane who has been making advances in the forensic sciences by utilizing a modern, empirical approach. His help has been requested in Sleepy Hollow, where a number of people have been killed in what the locals regard as a completely supernatural manner. Depp's character pooh-poohs their backward, rural ways and tries to bring the light of science to their darkened forests.

daxonmacs 10. November 2009, 16:21

Originally posted by debplatt:

BTW as an American wide auntie


You're not going to let go off that easily, are you? :lol:
You're not the kind of lady that's meant or referred to when the term "wild auntie" is used. I wouldn't even call'm ladies.
If you need clarification, feel free to pm.
I'll have to take a look at Ninth Gate, sounds interesting, and as a Belgian Wild Auntie that likes Deb and Depp, I can almost be certain I will like it.

Deb Platt 10. November 2009, 16:24

Originally posted by daxonmacs:

You're not the kind of lady that's meant or referred to when the term "wild auntie" is used

But I may be the kind of lady that's meant or referred to when the term wide auntie is used. :smile:

daxonmacs 10. November 2009, 16:35

Oops, fooled by my brain, I did think you wrote wild, but no, that's not the case either.
That wide was the result of a typo I think, and you're much liked, loved and appreciated by the inventor of the term .

And that's the last flowers I throw at you, today :wink:

daxonmacs 5. December 2009, 13:55

Originally posted by debplatt:

Johnny Depp was in a movie whose plot was a bit similar to The Devil's Advocate, called The Ninth Gate.


I didn't recall it from reading the title, but as I m watching it now, I realise I have seen this movie before.
Great movie and indeed a great performance by Johnny Depp.
Actually, I do like him as an actor and he variety of characters he has put down.

Deb Platt 5. December 2009, 14:13

Originally posted by daxonmacs:

Johnny Depp.
Actually, I do like him as an actor and he variety of characters he has put down.

He is an interesting actor. From what I hear, I believe I disagree with his politics -- not that that matters at all.

People magazine has named him, once again, as the "Sexiest man alive." But he doesn't hold a candle to the young Bob.

daxonmacs 5. December 2009, 14:47

Originally posted by debplatt:

But he doesn't hold a candle to the young Bob.


There's a good reason you keep him out of the spotlights :D

Deb Platt 5. December 2009, 14:54

:smile:

Deb Platt 5. December 2009, 14:56

BTW if you can rent/borrow, "What's eating Gilbert Grape?", this is one of my favorite Depp films.

daxonmacs 5. December 2009, 15:11

I'll try that one later, thanks.

solid copper 5. December 2009, 15:19

He stars in a new movie called Public Enemy, without messy hair and moustache.

solid copper 5. December 2009, 15:26

It is very contemporary. I like him in Sleepy Hollow the best so far. Whimsical.

Deb Platt 5. December 2009, 15:42

I liked Sleepy Hollow a great deal, too.

Originally posted by solid copper:

I thought I was going to rent Secret Window; but now that I have read the wiki page, I decide not to. A bit too much violence for me though it may not be graphic. I

So the fact that people were being beheaded left and right in Sleepy Hollow was not too graphic for you? Hmmm...

daxonmacs 5. December 2009, 15:56

I've seen the trailer of Public Enemy, but missed it at the theatres, another one to add to the list.
Sleepy Hollow seems to address a lot of people's attention and fantasy, I hope no one loses his or her head over it.

solid copper 5. December 2009, 15:56

Actually I found that horrible and had to look away. It was my friend's choice of movie for Sunday night. I agreed to it only because I liked the actress in it who is my kind of eccentric. I found that she and Depp were a perfect match in that movie though one is tall and the other is short. I was saying that I liked Depp's performance in it.

Deb Platt 5. December 2009, 16:28

Originally posted by solid copper:

I was saying that I liked Depp's performance in it.

Ahhh... I get what you're saying.

Bob didn't watch this one with me. He'd be walking through the room while I was watching "heads roll" and he'd be like "Ugh...". However, if you actually did watch it, the whole beheading thing was purposely done in a very artificial way, probably in an effort to make the whole thing less gory. All of the beheadings shed no blood whatsoever. This was explained very early on by some allusion to the blade being white hot from the "flames of hell", which caused the wounds to be instantly cauterized. :knight:

daxonmacs 5. December 2009, 16:32

Originally posted by debplatt:

This was explained very early on by some allusion to the blade being white hot from the "flames of hell", which caused the wounds to be instantly cauterized. :knight:


Sounds like a healthy and clean way to go :right:

Deb Platt 5. December 2009, 16:49

Originally posted by daxonmacs:

Sounds like a healthy and clean way to go :right:

Since I enjoy survival-horror video games which involve zombie slaying, I'm not sure this is an important feature for me. :smile: I just acquired and beat the latest installment of the Resident Evil series. There's much tongue-in-cheek verbal commentary, where the video game characters remark that what they're experiencing is "almost like a video game", etc. Anyway when I'm playing, I usually put on headphones so as to spare my family the moaning, groaning and gunshots. Not as much fun to listen to as to play.

daxonmacs 7. December 2009, 12:32

Originally posted by debplatt:

BTW if you can rent/borrow, "What's eating Gilbert Grape?", this is one of my favorite Depp films.


I just watched this one, and I must admit it is a different type of Depp one sees here. Also congrats to Di Caprio for his performance.
My first impression was that this movie was rather slowly developing, but I soon realised, it holds a lot, a bit for everyone.
In retrospect, I wondered if this town was representative for the true America, since we, Europeans, all heard of New York, Miami and L.A., but what's inside that triangle?
No horror in this movie, but the touching of one's soul.

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