mypocta, English is probably a good idea in this blog.

I only recongised 9.5 from that post. I think I get the gist. I'm waiting for it too!!!

BT is still improving, yay.

> yksyks: "Still the same regression with Flash: to demonstrate run the game at http://www.onemorelevel.com/games2/bubbleshooter.swf."

Confirmed. ( WinXP, Opera 9.22, Flash 9,0,28,0 )

I wish Opera had extensions like firefox. If it did I would run it as my main browser. I just can't live without all the extension.

> extensions...

God no! (security, stability, response time)

> extensions...
> God no!

Oh no, here we go again... Please take that discussion out to the forums, this topic always gets out of hand...

I really hope Opera never implements extensions. This is everything bad about Firefox. It's bloat, security nightmare, nonstandard operation, sluggish operation and the like.

//mypocta, English is probably a good idea in this blog.
Why? Where is it written that English is the official on this blog? Or that we should just write it? I have a great desire to write in their mother tongue.

So this is a recommended security upgrade but 2 days after the official release deb.opera.com has not been updated yet?. Very sloppy...especially because the fastest and easiest way to release the upgrade to users running Debian/Debian-based distros is the repo (everyone runs a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade daily or gets a notification/auto-upgrade via update manager if installed).

This issue did not occur during the libx11 fiasco, the repo was updated at the same time the new version came out (and it probably helped to minimize the number of Opera installs affected by the problem) but it seems that the good old days of new versions hitting the repos 5 days after the official release are back. Again, very sloppy.

This problem remains on linux:

Holding down a key for autorepeat (eg. "oooooooooooooooooo") happens at normal speed, but using the arrow keys, backspace, and delete key is VERY SLOW (traversing about 3 characters per second).

Originally posted by mypocta:

Why? Where is it written that English is the official on this blog? Or that we should just write it? I have a great desire to write in their mother tongue.

This is a blog visited by people from all over the world. In order to be able to communicate, we must use a language which people understand, and that is English.

I've asked more that 10 times about Yahoo Mail Beta, nobody answers.
So I must think that no one is interested on it?. Maybe in Kestrel? Maybe not.
I'm tired of using FF and Safari to access my Yahoo Mail.

So if you're not fixing it...please remove that auto-ignore-sys_requirements. Cookie or .js. In order to be able to access classic Yahoo Mail on Opera. PLEASE

Woohoo! ing for Kestrel.


Firefox: Damn, I'm not good enough
IE: Ahh cheer up, we've got the biggest marketshare.
Firefox: Pfft, right, Mozzila put up robots to use Firefox on the Internet.
IE: Damn you Firefox, that's why I lost some of my marketshare.
Opera: Hello.
Firefox:
IE:

IF Kestrel doesn't solve a big number of bugs/regressions, then many of us will not be happy
Anyways let's hope for the best.

Doliprane,: First weekly of Kestrel will have a great number of new regressions.. fear not ;-)

andresruiz, Do you clean your cache? Do you do total clean installs? If not you need to. You keep on talking about stupid Yahoo BETA. It gets very old to read that over and over. They told you what was wrong with it too. Now you complain about Yahoo Classic.

Yahoo is working good here.

Originally posted by andresruiz:

I've asked more than 10 times about Yahoo Mail Beta, nobody answers. So I must think that no one is interested in it?.

10 years ago Yahoo was a 'good' site. You could access everything w/ a text based browser (links/lynx).
Now:

• Yahoo is littered w/ flash ads -- thank God for flashblocker css and js.
  
  
• Yahoo pages are extremely slow to load on my system. (could be a system issue -- i.e. my problem)
  
  
• I looked at the mail beta -- no thanks.
  
  
• I looked at the my.yahoo.com beta -- no thanks.
  
  
• Editorial comment: There's no diplomatic way of saying this, "Yahoo is a steaming pile".
  

There now, feel better, you got one (1) response. None of which has anything to do w/ this Weekly or any other Weekly.

@tsarhan
I've tried YMB on 3 different machines: My UBUNTU 7.04, on my job's eMac and my home PC, in NONE of them Yahoo Mail Beta works good. Some problem always occur, cannot render some mails, cannot access contacts or what ever and is extreemly slow. Is not reliable....About what you said, I reffer about some cookie or javascript setting that makes Opera "jump" over the (system_requrements=blocked) and don't let me choose beween old and reliable version and/or beta version... Doesn't ask me If I want to load normal yahoo or yahoo beta or opt-out beta program. Now you understand?

@rschultz2002
If you don't like my stupid comments about yahoo beta. Don't read my posts. Am just reporting something that doesn't work on my system (3 different systems). Isn't it the idea? (Question for moderator)

@rwf
Thanks for you'r response :) I agree with you in most of it. But I think my comment is not well received by the other members. I wont do it again. Sorry.

May I ask a few hard questions??

Why are peeps so *desperate* for YMB?? AFAIK it only provides a 'folder based' email for the web, just to compete with gmail(write in with details, do...), and is naturally having difficulty trying to make something do what it was never designed to do(using tons of nonstandard JS and flash)...

Same for Extensions.. If FF had NOT called it that, or just called it widgets or even FFJS would you now be wanting that for opera??
- say what you want, not just some vague name...
some details..
http://my.opera.com/Rijk/blog/2006/07/04/top-150-popular-firefox-extensions-and-opera
http://storage9.myopera.com/Rijk/blog/extensions.html

Take these to the proper forum, then you can join all the peeps who *are* talking about your subject...
> extensions search <
> "Yahoo mail beta" search <


But yes, this is a blog, about a final, that is not in this blog, so what are posters meant to write about?? Seems like the blame is not ours....

Sorry for that, but about speed dial, could be great to have an option (check box) to totally deactivate that option (even if most people like that page, i'd rather have the old empty page without any button)

about that, like in the old opera 4, could be great to choose a picture or background color for that empty page...

thank you for everything else...

@qsdfgh: Try opera:config#UserPrefs|SpeedDialState and change value to 3. Remember to Save.

lool olli thanks for the warning but they wont last long I guess.

well, if the team hasnt solved the major bugs, its going to get a hammering... (if its not bad enough anyway...)

• I tend to stop and re-start Opera quite often. I won't go into the reasons why, but...
  
• I noticed that w/ the recent bittorent weeklies and 9.22-655(.1)) Opera takes a longer time to close.
  
• I tend to get a pop-up saying that there's a current instance of Opera running -- the old Opera window has disappeared.
  
• No big deal, but something has changed. It appears it now closes the window and then does its' 'housekeeping' work.
  

I would thank Opera for not allowing extensions....some people who makes those extensions could be dangerous... And extensions that you don't use (those extra ones) might slow your browser down. I really have no use for widgets because I'm getting WinVista Home Prenium.... Anyways, for Kestrel.

@yksyks:

The Flash fix that went into build 8796 also caused Flash regressions on other sites. That was not a good idea, so that fix was reverted in later 9.22 builds.

Just managed to crash Opera while installing the voice libraries. Has anyone filed a report for the following inspector log before..

Opera.exe 8801 caused exception C0000005 at address 0017F3AF (Base: 400000)

If not then I'll go a head and report this one.

Yep. I'm using old yahoo mail from now.
Is awful but works great on Opera!!

An issue, I downloaded a 240MB file using bittorrent and again at the end it seems to be finished but doesn't complete the transfer. I have to stop/resume it and it finish.

@cavalez
I know it doesn't happen every time, however, it has happened to me more than once. I'm in Vista now, but it has happened in XP before. Any who this has happened to?

@andresruiz
Yo descargo siempre con Bittorrent en Opera, y nunca tuve problemas, lo que si puede suceder, es que al bajar, sigue compartiendo...

I download every time with Bittorrent of Opera, an I never have problems, but, can happend what Opera Still Sharing and not finished the download...

No lo sé...
I don't Know...

Saludos.

@Rijk:

Thanks, I thought this must be something like this. I don't care about the game at all, I just came across it and realized that it's a good Flash testing page. I'd expect that this is a symptom of more Flash incompatibilities to come... Good luck!

Am I the only one in the world who noticed wrong line wraps at the slash character in tables?

For example, see http://www.tv.com/csi/show/19/episode_listings.html?tag=subtabs;list, have a look at the "Air Date" column and compare it with other browsers. The table in Opera has uneven line spacing and is two or three times longer than it should be.

I'm reporting this for more than a year, but it seems that nobody else noticed.

This obviously applies to all similar tables on different pages (of course all Episode lists at tv.com).

yksyks: I can confirm this behavior. It seems like Opera takes slashes as symbols that should allow line breaks, like hyphens.

@JoRgE-1987

Si, sigue compartiendo una vez termina la descarga satisfactoriamente, pero el problema que tengo algunas veces es que aunque ya se recibió el 100% del archivo, la descarga no aparece terminada. Tengo que [stop/resume] para que la finalice correctamente...luego, sigue compartiendo como es lo normal en Bittorrent.

Yep, it begin sharing once the download is succesfully finished, but the problem that I have sometimes is that the file is already 100% downloaded but the download is shown as not finished. I have to [stop/resume] in order to finish the download...then it keep sharing as normal on Bittorrent.

Originally posted by cavalez:

Try it yourself here:http://svglogo.com/Santy.svg

These sites are crashing Opera using Adobe SVG Viewer Plugin.

And again the old problem, that Opera didn't respect the plugin path from the opera6.ini

Adobe SVG Viewer
image/svg-xml svg,svgz
image/svg+xml svg,svgz
image/vnd.adobe.svg+xml svg,svgz
C:\Programme\Opera 9\Program\Plugins\NPSVG6.dll

Unwanted plugin add by Opera from wherever

Adobe SVG Viewer Plugin
image/svg-xml svg,svgz
image/svg+xml svg,svgz
image/vnd.adobe.svg+xml svg,svgz
C:\WINDOWS\system32\Adobe\SVGVIE~1.0\NPSVG3.dll

@cavalez:

Opera's behavior is correct. ... Please check Opera's behavior on valid pages, not at any pages you visit.

OK, maybe not all pages in the world are "valid". But if all other browsers display them correctly and Opera does not, what exactly do you call "correct behavior"?

It seems like you fixed that annoying bug where the content of the address bar got selected and the startbar visible for tabs which hadn’t been completed loading. (Geez, I shouldn’t squeeze that much info in one sentence.)

Anyways: thanks a lot!

yksyks

I have also reported it (bug-250359) and I included an example page I created.

http://webs.ono.com/rubensd/Table.html

If you open that page in Opera, IE, Firefox and Safari, you will see that the table doesn't look the same in any browser.

Still Opera6-style dialogs :\\

@cavalez
You're some what correct, but seem very unaware that "correct" can be taken more than one way. There is standards compliant mode and then there is quirks mode. So correct is very dependent on the mode that the browser is rendering in. Also, just because the other browsers are rendering pages a certain way, it does not make that the correct way. You should probably move this conversation to the forums.

Originally posted by Darkolord:

Still Opera6-style dialogs :\\

And how is that a problem?

In Macintosh Build 3867 - The Game runescape runs for a while then eventually the game screen turns white with an x in the upper left hand corner. It runs on Java doesn't know if there is a Java issue with lastest release or what. Thought I better report it anyway. Thanks, hope it runs better in 9.5.

@cavalez:

It's not about what is correct and what is a quirk. It's more about the future of Opera.

I agree that tv.com employs people who make non-valid pages--it happened before and Opera finally "fixed" it. And that's what's up: users will keep calling this "a bug" and ask for "fixing it". They will not fix anything at tv.com and thousands of other websites, as 95 % or more of theirs visitors don't have problems.

But if Opera will follow this trend of "correct rendering" at any cost it might end up as the only browser on earth that strictly follows the rules--but nobody will be using it... I don't wish that.

So, more than an opinion of an HTML expert might be interesting to hear what the developers think.

Why u don't link to Opera 8801?

see:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Browsers/Opera-for-Windows-without-Java.shtml

SVG thing:

"Try it yourself here:
http://svglogo.com/Santy.svg"

Works ok here.



www.tv.com works great too

Originally posted by cavalez:

Double T. Why do you use plugin? Opera supports SVG internaly.

Simple answer - because the internal SVG support doesn't include all needed features.

Deltete the plugin and it will work great.

No, it won't.

Originally posted by Opera Knowledgebase:

SVG has different versions (1.0, 1.1, 1.2 is in the works) and different profiles (Full, Basic, Tiny). Opera 8.* supports an extension of SVG 1.1 Tiny. Opera 9 supports 1.1 Basic. Different versions and profiles have different allowed content.

I LOVE YOU OPERA

@DoubleT didn't you know that Opera 9 is the best browser for SVG support out there right now?

Hi All,

Today I experienced an unsupported feature under Linux. Does anyone know what I mean? Yes, the VOICE function is available only under Windows. Guys, you should develop to Linux as well. It has been the best reader ever. Why do you exclude Linux users?

Cheers