Kestrel: The Road Ahead
By Tim Altman. Saturday, 25. August 2007, 19:38:49
Howdy! This is my first post here, so let me introduce myself: my name is Tim Altman and I work for Opera Software in the Desktop QA department. My main focus is Opera Mail, though I also help out the Mac and Core teams as needed. I'm the only member of the Desktop Team living in the United States, where I work from my home.
Now, let's get down to business. We wanted to give y'all an update about Kestrel. Back in June, we announced that the first weekly would be "within a few weeks". It's become painfully obvious that we underestimated the amount of time it would take for us to deliver a preview of Kestrel to the public. When we release a build with as many changes as Kestrel, we want to make sure that our users are able to use the build as much as possible, so we can get the best feedback possible. We have strict quality standards that have not yet been met. Back in June, we thought it would only take us a few weeks to reach the required quality. However, as we developed and tested more, we continued to find serious issues that we could not in good conscience inflict upon our users.
When can you expect to see the preview of Kestrel? It's hard to tell. It depends on whether we find new problems, and if we do, how serious they are. I know a lot of you are anxious to test out the things we've been developing for the past year and we're anxious to hear your feedback. All of us will have to be patient to ensure that y'all get a reasonably solid build to make this whole process worthwhile.
We have a long road ahead of us. Initial builds of Kestrel will not be able to replace 9.23. There are still many, many problems that need to be fixed. For instance, Kestrel is nowhere near as stable as 9.23 and Opera Mail is not ready for production use. After the first build, releases should come often, though not necessarily every week nor always on Fridays. We will try to resolve as many problems as we can with each release, but all bugs reported one week will not be fixed by the following week.
What's a Kestrel post without information about new features? Since I work mostly with Opera Mail, I'll give a couple hints about what we've been up to. Many users have requested the ability to manually update newsfeeds even if they aren't due for an update. OK, done! If you are in the main newsfeeds access point, pressing F5 will update all newsfeeds. We've also resolved the issue where the View > Encoding menu didn't do anything for messages. That's all that I'll reveal this time around....
Thank you for your interest in the future of Opera! Stay tuned for more news.
Now, let's get down to business. We wanted to give y'all an update about Kestrel. Back in June, we announced that the first weekly would be "within a few weeks". It's become painfully obvious that we underestimated the amount of time it would take for us to deliver a preview of Kestrel to the public. When we release a build with as many changes as Kestrel, we want to make sure that our users are able to use the build as much as possible, so we can get the best feedback possible. We have strict quality standards that have not yet been met. Back in June, we thought it would only take us a few weeks to reach the required quality. However, as we developed and tested more, we continued to find serious issues that we could not in good conscience inflict upon our users.
When can you expect to see the preview of Kestrel? It's hard to tell. It depends on whether we find new problems, and if we do, how serious they are. I know a lot of you are anxious to test out the things we've been developing for the past year and we're anxious to hear your feedback. All of us will have to be patient to ensure that y'all get a reasonably solid build to make this whole process worthwhile.
We have a long road ahead of us. Initial builds of Kestrel will not be able to replace 9.23. There are still many, many problems that need to be fixed. For instance, Kestrel is nowhere near as stable as 9.23 and Opera Mail is not ready for production use. After the first build, releases should come often, though not necessarily every week nor always on Fridays. We will try to resolve as many problems as we can with each release, but all bugs reported one week will not be fixed by the following week.
What's a Kestrel post without information about new features? Since I work mostly with Opera Mail, I'll give a couple hints about what we've been up to. Many users have requested the ability to manually update newsfeeds even if they aren't due for an update. OK, done! If you are in the main newsfeeds access point, pressing F5 will update all newsfeeds. We've also resolved the issue where the View > Encoding menu didn't do anything for messages. That's all that I'll reveal this time around....
Thank you for your interest in the future of Opera! Stay tuned for more news.




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Kuja-IX # 26. August 2007, 00:07
Good work to you guys, and good luck
Guyver # 26. August 2007, 00:08
Ahhh well atleast its getting there i spose....
Gotta admit more delays are making me wonder if its going to be worth the wait....
Saddle Magic # 26. August 2007, 00:14
AyushJ # 26. August 2007, 00:37
andresruiz # 26. August 2007, 00:46
Nice to have news about 9.5 in a saturday night, am really sorry about the lots of problems you have with Kestrel, and I hope you can solve them soon.
By now I'm very happy with merlin.
Talking about mail...will be possible to "ask" for automatic delivery and read confirmations with Opera? Like in MS Outlook?
Nice saturday night and weekend.
philry4n # 26. August 2007, 01:04
Raistlin # 26. August 2007, 01:07
viniciuscubone # 26. August 2007, 01:08
Junyor # 26. August 2007, 01:14
Boozoy # 26. August 2007, 01:17
SouthernCross # 26. August 2007, 01:32
kriko # 26. August 2007, 01:39
mathbr # 26. August 2007, 01:45
AyushJ # 26. August 2007, 01:58
Junyor # 26. August 2007, 02:32
@Boozoy and andresruiz: We have no plans to add read confirmation to Opera Mail and I don't see that changing.
DD32 # 26. August 2007, 02:48
Feature Request for Opera Mail though:
I'm on a fair few Mailing lists, And have about 5 email addresses, It'd be great if Opera was to auto-detect(Or just be able to manually set) the email address to use for the replies.
At present if you hit reply (in 9.23) to a mailing list entry, it defaults to using whatever account you last used.
I prefer to keep a public email address for mailing lists(As it generates a lot of spam to that addresS), and a PRivate email for other things.
D
Junyor # 26. August 2007, 02:59
Anders # 26. August 2007, 03:00
skye11 # 26. August 2007, 03:08
- Mail (I may actually start using it then)
- Sessions mgmt (saving desired windows only)
Hope Kestrel will be great, and help boost Opera’s user base with many new users.
Keep up that great work!
edupav # 26. August 2007, 03:34
darklemcs # 26. August 2007, 03:35
crazybilly # 26. August 2007, 03:40
Sounds great to me--ya'll keep up the good work. I'm excited for Kestral.
WildEnte # 26. August 2007, 03:49
Tamil # 26. August 2007, 03:56
DandS # 26. August 2007, 03:56
And I'd like to say again:
Give us a new skin with Kestrel!!!!
Gofo # 26. August 2007, 04:12
+1
serious # 26. August 2007, 06:14
1) You'll do it! *waiting anxiously*
2) The "main newsfeed access point" as you call it should be accessable through the panel somehow (or have I missed something?) as I only use the panel for mail/feeds and never the menu.
3) about QA: hey, it's a weekly. that's not even considered to be beta/alpha. still it's nice to see how much attention comes to QA at opera. since I use the betas/weeklies there was
noonly one build I can remember that crashed (at least when I wasn't testing out stuff on some bug farms), in contrary to some apps that call themselves "final".joshas # 26. August 2007, 06:50
IceArdor # 26. August 2007, 07:02
You guys all deserve a vacation when Kestrel is final.
FrakkiaLP # 26. August 2007, 08:02
FraZor # 26. August 2007, 08:28
kyleabaker # 26. August 2007, 08:34
DjiXas # 26. August 2007, 10:16
Everyone stop complaining about "waiting. You are not a young boys or girls to understand why YOU HAVE to wait.
eestlane # 26. August 2007, 10:19
LOL, what have I been doing then... no it's even working:
Clicking on sidepanel on Newsfeeds and clicking F5 updates the newsfeeds... or doesn't it... I'm confused, maybe it doesn't indeed.
illiad # 26. August 2007, 10:24
and please kids... saying "are we there yet?" all the time just makes it more difficult!!
Hades32 # 26. August 2007, 11:09
Very sad that you couldn't give us a timeframe, but as I developer I understand this.
And despite its alpha quality it will sure have when it arrives, I will anyway use Kestrel as my main browser!
BTW: We haven't heard anything of the censored feature http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/kestrel-is-coming
Any new infos on this?
lamarca # 26. August 2007, 11:26
Micky # 26. August 2007, 11:29
porneL # 26. August 2007, 11:36
Since this s**tty client is ubiquitous, user education is a hopeless struggle, and every other client than Opera can deal with that bug (by falling back to a certain user-defined encoding).
Opera falls back to hard-coded latin1 and then to utf-8, if user's default encoding is not latin1. This causes havoc on Usenet and makes only M2 appear broken.
Thelomen Toblakai # 26. August 2007, 11:37
I have the feeling that so much work will go into the rendering engine for Kestrel, other new features will have to wait. My expectations is that Kestrel mainly will be a better browser (better, faster rendering, more compatible etc.), while the coolest newest features will have to wait for Peregrin (Kestrel will pawn the way). Kestrel seems to be mostly about improving mail and browser core (which is a superb thing to do
My only fear is that until Kestrel is released, you guys will have to set up a clinic for all the deprived desktopteam-aholics in here
Luchio # 26. August 2007, 12:13
GT500 # 26. August 2007, 13:00
I wish that I, like you, could work for Opera Software from home. Unfortunately they didn't seem to think that they needed testers for their internal builds that couldn't report to the headquarters in Norway.
EricJH # 26. August 2007, 13:20
I'll just have to make myself patiently wait.:|
Junyor # 26. August 2007, 13:24
icare # 26. August 2007, 14:29
SouthernCross # 26. August 2007, 14:55
Doliprane # 26. August 2007, 15:16
rghammo # 26. August 2007, 17:06
Thanks so much for this. One question: will there also be improved management of feeds, something along the lines of folders? It would be really amazing if I could put a bunch of feeds into a folder and "update all" for the feeds in that folder. The update all you mention will be very nice and is much appreciated, but folders with "update folder" as an option would be great. Thanks for all your work!
andresruiz # 26. August 2007, 18:25
Thanks for reply, my comment wasn't a "wish"...it was a "question".
Anyway, I've posted a "wish" about read and delivery confirmations in the proper place you've said.
Tks again.
bohemp # 26. August 2007, 18:37