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A lighter EV

By csant. Friday, 23. May 2008, 14:12:02

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We have been very strict on our EV implementation - the rationale behind our strict "It ain't EV 'til it's EV, all EV" has been extensively documented by Yngve in a few articles.

However, we are now moving towards a less strict implementation - a consistent user experience is important throughout the wide palette of browsers that implemented EV. At the recent face-to-face meeting with the Web Security Context Working Group, we have agreed with other vendors on this behaviour as an industry standard. You will now get the green padlock, signalling the presence of an EV certificate, if the top level document is served with strong TLS and EV, and all included elements are served at least with strong TLS. For details, please head over to Yngve's article.

In other news, Dragonfly guys have started making snapshots as well, with their first one released yesterday. On the desktop side we have started persistently caching the Dragonfly application so that it loads much faster, and can be used offline, after restarting Opera.

Also, our Core team has started a blog - head over to the new Core Team blog to follow the cool news and latest development at Opera's heart.

WARNING: These are development snapshots: they contain the latest changes, but they also have severe known issues, including crashes and data loss situations. In fact, they may not work at all.

Known issues:
  • [Bug 327180] Dragonfly does not work when JavaScript is disabled.
  • [Bug 324377] Save Linked Content As fails sporadically.
  • [Bug 332406] The drop-downs in the various dialogs open behind the dialog on Mac.
  • Netvibes.com fails to load in this Windows build.


Changelog:
  • New EV status policy.
  • Fixed a crash when quitting with master password dialog open.
  • Fixed a history navigation crash.
  • Fixed a crash related to Dragonfly.
  • Fixed handling of local resource files when installing Opera in a location with special characters in the path.
  • Fixed an issue where Wand shortcuts stopped working after history navigation.
  • Fixed filtering of messages in the error console - the filter will also apply to future events.
  • Fixed initial focus in dialogs.


Mac-specific:
  • Fixed plugin focus issues on rtl.de.
  • Fixed an issue where the window doesn't activate completely when clicked.
  • Fixed repaint issues when pages are made shorter.
  • Fixed an issue where text gets cut off in SELECT element.


UNIX-specific:
  • Fixed some font selection issues.
  • Fixed some mouse panning issues.
  • Fixed listing of files in the GTK filechooser.


Windows-specific:
  • Fixed default Save and Open location.
  • Fixed a registry corruption of values used when other applications open Opera, caused by the classic installer.
  • Fixed listing of files in the Open dialog.
  • Saving web pages now correctly adds the extension.


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Macintosh
UNIX

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Comments

Tamil 23. May 2008, 15:06

lamarca 23. May 2008, 15:07

thanks for the new snapshot.

Hypezor 23. May 2008, 15:13

Great, trying that out. :smile:
Cheers !

intelimac20inch 23. May 2008, 15:19

:coffee: Very cool another snapshot! :up:

ytsmabeer 23. May 2008, 15:25

You can still select the trick mode for EV in opera:config#SecurityPrefs|StrictEVMode

Bill_P 23. May 2008, 15:33

In Linux Opera has problem with soft links for plugins

I had /usr/lib/opera/plugins/libflashplayer.so defined as a soft link to /usr/lib/flash-plugin/libflashplayer.so. In i386 no plugins (other than adobe) were found and in x64bit only the audio played.

When I placed actual flash .so in both directories Flash worked again. So appears that Opera has problem with soft links.
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There seems to be still a problem with Opera finding plugins especially if I've switched between the 64 and 32bit versions

piroxicam 23. May 2008, 15:43

Hooray, same old bugs present. :rolleyes: Build after build.

tsarhan 23. May 2008, 15:44

I have an problem with http://www.pochta.ru Opera 9.50.10014 marks this site as "Fraud Warning". But Kaspersky Internet Security 2009's Anti-Phishing makes no warning for this site.

Also, when I'm clicking on Banner on http://www.yandex.ru they redirect me to:
http://ad.adriver.ru/cgi-bin/click.cgi?sid=1&ad=127762&bt=37&pid=234066&bid=445496&bn=445496&rnd=86220328&bn=445496

And Opera also tells that this is "Fraud Warning" site.

It seems to be false positive detection.

hurug 23. May 2008, 15:44

Thank you, all devs.

kamalesh 23. May 2008, 15:52

Mac download link is off by one number, thus broken.

Naelphin 23. May 2008, 15:53

Does this include the profile guided optimizations too? Or was that just for that one special release.

alexander.uvarov 23. May 2008, 15:54

Why I need qt3-mt when installing Qt4 build?

sudo dpkg -i opera_static-9.50-1983.gcc4-qt4_i386.deb

Selecting previously deselected package opera.
(Reading database ... 46581 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking opera (from opera_static-9.50-1983.gcc4-qt4_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of opera:
opera depends on libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.2.1); however:
Package libqt3-mt is not installed.
dpkg: error processing opera (--install):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
opera

ytsmabeer 23. May 2008, 15:59

@tsarhan:Read what Opera says
The page you are trying to open has been reported for distributing malicious software. Any software from this page may be harmful.
This is not you're normal fraud warning page

elitegeek 23. May 2008, 16:08

I'm kind of disappointed about the backing down on the EV, but, I suppose it isn't too bad since it has been agreed between the browsers.

fearphage 23. May 2008, 16:24

Fixed filtering of messages in the error console - the filter will also apply to future events.
Fixed XPath problem that caused TYPE_ERR message.

Oooooh fancy. Minority fixes making the changelogs. Thank you.

Fixed XPath problem that caused TYPE_ERR message.

I can not confirm that this is fixed. I have a theory that pgo is breaking stuff.
Javascript URL thread: "javascript:alert(document.selectNodes('//a').length)"
Error:
name: Error
message: TYPE_ERR
stacktrace:   Line 1 of unknown script 
    alert(document.selectNodes('//a').length)

Bill_P 23. May 2008, 16:31

PGO (profile guided optimizations) and Linux, is there progress?

Junyor 23. May 2008, 16:32

@Bill_P: We have nothing new to announce.

Buchtic 23. May 2008, 16:42

Memguard is still not function. /Invalid breakpoint location for opera.dll/ . Memguard has fixed opera location? Why?

Hansapelle 23. May 2008, 16:45

This build has some improvements on secure web sites, but it's still quite a bit slower in loading them than Maxthon 2.1, which is my secondary browser.

Junyor 23. May 2008, 16:49

@Buchtic: Are you using the latest version of MemGuard?

allix 23. May 2008, 16:52

Will there be any further development of the qt4-themes? Progressbar and searchbar has been without borders from a long time now.
Screenshot on debian testing: http://bayimg.com/NaJilAabl

the_Arioch 23. May 2008, 16:52

Still you can (an should IMHO) make two padlocks, all-green for all-EV and not-so-green for the rest.
Maybe green with smile, maybe green with light-green border or whatever.
Or maybe the opposite - make it green with yellow, gray or black border for less-then-all EV.

Let them both be more or less green, but let them be distinguishable.

the_Arioch 23. May 2008, 16:53

> EV in opera:config#SecurityPrefs|StrictEVMode
This must be raised to a checkbos in the padlock's site/certificate info dialog.

Buchtic 23. May 2008, 17:01

@Junyor: yes, i have 8.91. this bug is since many builds ago include old version of memguard

markuznw 23. May 2008, 17:02

Still experiencing crash @ nightwind.netsons.org like the last builds. Reported as bug-332096

kamalesh 23. May 2008, 17:11

I'm getting the nasty scrolling artifacts again in Build 4833/Leopard. This was fixed the last couple builds. It appears when scrolling down any long page (like this one or Slashdot).

Junyor 23. May 2008, 17:50

@Buchtic: What OS are you using?

kpow 23. May 2008, 17:51

Dragonfly guys started to make snapshots A well. Misprint?

--KJ-- 23. May 2008, 18:19

Editting My Maps in Google Maps is still not possible, i.e. the edit-button is missing!

Buchtic 23. May 2008, 18:21

@Junyor: Vista 32-bit

kyleabaker 23. May 2008, 18:22

Nice changelog. It's kind of sad that we had to drop the strict implementation for a more consistent user experience. Sacrificing security for consistency? lol.

MetalRaise 23. May 2008, 18:41

Originally posted by kyleabaker:

Sacrificing security for consistency? lol.


Same thought here.

Unfortunately, quite a lot of Opera features have been cut down in the past to be more "consistent" with Firefox and other browsers. Regarding the EV setting there's an option though, while other features have been changed without the possibility for the user to choose the old behaviour.

crowbar 23. May 2008, 18:44

I cant view my played match in http://www.xperteleven.com
Its using Shockwave for Director. I have it installed. It worked the build before 9.50 BETA 2. Im using 9.50 build 10014.

Buchtic 23. May 2008, 18:48

Facebook is still high usage CPU

wiley_e_wonka 23. May 2008, 18:57

I'm having problems with Gmail ui=2. I'm not sure if this is a user.js problem or what. Here are the symptoms, navigating around my Gmail account is slower, when it works at all (sometimes it just stalls forever trying to send an email). Chat barely works at all--I constantly sign in and out and when it does appear to work, the stutus indicators of my "buddies" tell me incorrect things.

I'm not sure if this just me or if everyone is having this problem--I'm using Windows 2000. I've had this problem for this build and the prior. Gmail ui=1 seems to work fine.

kyleabaker 23. May 2008, 19:12

Originally posted by MetalRaise:

Unfortunately, quite a lot of Opera features have been cut down in the past to be more "consistent" with Firefox and other browsers.


Yea, this is unfortunate in most cases because it changes the way I use Opera all together if it's a user interface change.

For instance, I haven't used "Paste and Go" since the new shortcuts were put in place (after testing the new assignment initially though of course). The new shortcut just isn't as friendly and easily accessible and I wouldn't sacrifice the new layout by switching to the 9.2 shortcuts...so I just have conform as well and get used to the mainstream changes.

Just little things here and there that are changed for consistence make a product just like the others. Enough ranting. :D At least this EV change has a strong reason behind it.

By the way, the start time for this build is incredible! I don't see anything in the changelog about it, but it's definitely faster here! Good work team!

Junyor 23. May 2008, 20:08

@kamalesh: Sorry about that! The Mac link has been fixed now.

piroxicam 23. May 2008, 20:14

Bug #316685 is back again. Powerpoint *.ppt files are always saved as *.pot

marsu 23. May 2008, 20:15

Sorry, my opera crashes sometimes on exit (well, i could debug it, but there are no debug-information availabe :wink: )

It seems, that the sync hangs... I think, my Panda - AntiVirus (an I hate my Panda for this reason) brings opera to hang sometimes(often) up to 20 sec ore more when I entered a new page :wait: . It's sooo frustrating. :zzz:

Well, In the last build I remember, that a MessageBoxButton for accepting certificates? is to smal for the german translation. Check it please.


Keep on working. ILO

M.

ps. (WinXPSp2)

GianluigiA 23. May 2008, 20:23

Select some text, right click -> Copy to note ..

The note icon doesn't appear in the address bar anymore: are you working on this (till now buggy) feature?
However .. thanks guys

kamalesh 23. May 2008, 20:27

Originally posted by Junyor:

@kamalesh: Sorry about that! The Mac link has been fixed now.


No problemo, Junyor...I just manually tweaked it. :wink:

@wiley_e_wonka: Yeah, Gmail2 broke about 5-6 days ago. I think it's an update to Gmail2, because it was working quite well, a couple builds ago (with the bypass browser check...the world may end before Google doesn't discriminate against Opera UAs).

yitzhaq 23. May 2008, 20:35

kyleabaker: You know you can change any shortcut to anything you want, right? There's even a separate keyboard setup available, to let you use all the 9.2 shortcuts if you prefer.

Just go to Tools - Preferences - Advanced - Shortcuts, and customize to your heart's desire :)

HeeZy 23. May 2008, 20:46

um, my RSS feeds aren't updating with the last 2 posts. are they down?

Case1 23. May 2008, 20:50

Ah, the Linux font issues are fixed, amazing! Thank you!

lamarca 23. May 2008, 20:57

Originally posted by HeeZy:

um, my RSS feeds aren't updating with the last 2 posts. are they down?



http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=233511

chosenone437 23. May 2008, 21:07

last 2 builds has completely mess up these to sites

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=538207&cc=3888 any news story hear shows black

and

http://www.goal.com/en/ flash seems not to be working correctly on here

WildEnte 23. May 2008, 21:41

Buchtic: I had trouble running memguard on Vista 32bit because I was running it as a standard user (no admin rights) in the program files dir, which a standard user can't write to. If you're running vista with standard user rights, give yourself write access to opera's program dir or run memguard as admin and see if that resolves your problem

Koca 23. May 2008, 22:00

A little problem with http://translate.google.com/ at Windows (Using Vista Business x64 and this opera shapshot, Czech language). When i click on the language combobox, list doesn't show. Keyboard controls works fine. Also the Translate button doesn't work when clicking. The enter key works great :smile:

kamalesh 23. May 2008, 22:46

Originally posted by chosenone437:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=538207&cc=3888 any news story hear shows black


Loads fine here with Build 4833/Leopard. A dark background shows for a second, but then diplays perfectly. On a slower machine it may show for longer or require a RELOAD.

Originally posted by chosenone437:

http://www.goal.com/en/ flash seems not to be working correctly on here


Load fine here also, except for some flash display overlap with text near the bottom...

fearphage 23. May 2008, 23:20

Originally posted by Koca:

A little problem with http://translate.google.com/ at Windows (Using Vista Business x64 and this opera shapshot, Czech language). When i click on the language combobox, list doesn't show.

Known and reported as bug #330907

Originally posted by FataL:

Something happend with search in source editor.
Page doesn't scrolls to text that was found.
Tested on Windows XP SP2.
Anyone to confirm?

Did you file this yet?

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