Originally posted by arnyq:

to make Opera more popular, a No-install version needs to be offered in addition to regular install version

That's a laughable claim with nothing to back it up. Doing something with a cornercase situation that would benefit a tiny minority would not make Opera more popular.

Originally posted by GoJoeGo:

That's a laughable claim with nothing to back it up. Doing something with a cornercase situation that would benefit a tiny minority would not make Opera more popular

Moreover, nothing prevents one from bringing fully installed Opera from home

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Originally posted by GoJoeGo:

Doing something with a cornercase situation that would benefit a tiny minority would not make Opera more popular.

Opera user base is minority itself, so any minority for Opera can be pretty significant.

Originally posted by Sterkrig:

Moreover, nothing prevents one from bringing fully installed Opera from home

To do this you should be a computer geek. So this is not an option for most.

Originally posted by arnyq:

Running University tours and preventing Opera from being one session installed at the same time - that's quite a marketing strategy!

Fully agree!

Some dropDown menu cannot be selected on eSupport as shown in




Ideally, the links should fly to the right...
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WinXP SP2 x64.

I wonder if anyone would have any ideas for this one:

Installed latest snapshot over last snapshot, which had a bunch of imported email accounts. Last snapshot sent and received mail fine in plaintext and with all the (now) known problmes in HTML. This shapshot will NOT retrieve POP3 email no matter what I do. It sends fine. Its goes through the motions of contacting server, etc. and reports no new email. This is on multiple POP3 servers.

I've deleted and re-input passwords, as that solved the first snapshot's inability to fetch mail. No joy.

Unfortunately I don't know offhand how to log the communication between the browser and server, or I would. That might be instructive.

Originally posted by arnyq:

Have you ever being in a typical US College or University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_United_States_universities_by_enrollment) with 50K+ enrollment?

Uh, either they are allowed to install Opera, in which case the normal installer works fine, or they aren't in which case they shouldn't. And for rolling out 50K+ installations, the admins would use MSI anyway.

Originally posted by arnyq:

Running University tours and preventing Opera from being one session installed at the same time - that's quite a marketing strategy!

Quit trolling, troll.

Originally posted by FataL:

Opera user base is minority itself, so any minority for Opera can be pretty significant.

No, this would be a minority even to Opera. There are far more problems than this to deal with if Opera wants to be mass-installed at universities.

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DSK-244995

Opera 6195

delete private data

osx 10.4.11
eMac 1.42 GHz PowerPC G4
1GB RAM


6186 no problemo

even from initial launch, opera crashed, I should have taken this as a hint.
to replicate this initial launch crash,
search for "opera" in Home location & delete all the opera folders

stick with 6186 if you want stability
but links - cmd-shift-L, not visible
hence despite its faults, I'm staying with this version
I just need to remember not to "delete private data".

Originally posted by dapxin:

Some dropDown menu cannot be selected on eSupport as shown in
Ideally, the links should fly to the right...

More details will get more results. We can't debug without a link and some context. Nice screenshot though.

Can we get back to testing Opera 10 Alpha New Year snapshot?

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In reference to creating an installer free version of Opera.

Originally posted by GoJoeGo:

That's a laughable claim with nothing to back it up.

I think it's laughable that you think it's laughable You don't have anything to backup your argument either. You're also guessing, but for some reason your guesses trump everyone else's.

Having said that, it's common in universities for students to carry around their software on a USB pen drive. The last university I worked for distributed free pen drives to all their newly enrolled students with a bunch of portable software pre-installed (obviously the browser was Firefox, not Opera). It wasn't an original idea, they were copying European Universities.

Universities are the perfect place to push your product. It's why big companies like Autodesk are prepared to give their software away for free to registered students. It's why Firefox has a "campus edition". It wouldn't harm Opera to do something to attract the interest of students and allowing student to take Opera to any campus PC wouldn't be a bad start.

Originally posted by drworm:

Universities are the perfect place to push your product.

I wonder if they test opera installs as a active directory deploys. would be interesting to know if it works... if anyone has tested it.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

Stop putting this spyware bs in the browser and hiding it!

Which browser are you using without "spyware"? Lynx? FF, IE, Chrome, and Opera all have some fraud protection that relies on an external site. That means every time you hit a page, if it is enabled, it either checks the address against an internal db or has to access the internet to sww if it is white/black listed. Here are some forum posts comparing chrome's "spyware" to opera's (read that post and the following one). You should possibly learn the meaning of the word spyware before you start using it so liberally. The only problem I see in your case is settings re-enabling themselves which I have not experienced recently. Seetings enabling themselves are bugs and should be filed. I have had the mail client disabled for years and it never turns itself back on. Same for fraud protection except there were a few bugs in the installer that re-enabled it in alpha/beta builds. I would say wipe your profile and start over.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

And the skin's still look like crap lol

It is skinnable for a reason. Get a new one. Problem solved. See how easy that is? Instead of complaining about things you have the power to resolve, you can fix it yourself. More results, less yapping.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

Every so many ver's you been putting out lately has had new spyware built in and usually it's a hidden setting that gets rid of it, ie no documentation and not easy to disable.

Documentation comes with stable builds. If you are not familiar with unstable builds or they are too complex for you, then stick to the stable stuff.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

You guys gotta stop this spyware bs.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

I don't want no f@cking auto anything.
...
I could give a f@ck less what you dev's think secure is, some of us don't want opera to do things that we never told it to do!

Then turn it off. Simple as that. Autoupdates are a powerful security measure that were previously a cavernous hole in opera's security measures. Now it is fixed. Don't like it? Then toggle the setting. Automatic updates has been a feature request since God knows when. It finally came through. You won't like all the features opera adds. I know i don't. Get used to it. I do appreciate the auto updates though. Autoupdates are enabled by default in chrome, windows (IE), and firefox. In chrome and firefox, they are automatically silent upgrades that require little to no participation from the user. Feel free to link to the posts where you complain about them being full of spyware, kthx.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

I should beable to log into ebay and yahoo mail with a quickenss without those, but opera flips out when I do.

ebay nor yahoo support opera so you are complaining to the wrong people. email ebay support and yahoo support. yahoo mail has been hacked into moderate functionality by browser.js mostly. i personally don't have problems with ebay myself.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

Talking about blocking it via the hosts file which seemed the way to go about it at the time.

I forgot how or why but this either doesn't work anymore or it is not advised. Maybe someone else will know.

@NEOAethyr: Why are you so angry? Your anger is not going to get anything resolved any faster. Ever heard the phrase "it is easier to catch flies with honey than vinegar"? It basically means being a douche not get you very far. Next time you have a problem if you could pretend that you had some sense and home training, you might actually get somewhere. It is worth a try at least.

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Opera for Windows, starting from 9.50, have some issues with opacity. Example screenshots (made with browsershots.org): 9.25: http://i43.tinypic.com/rvesjs.jpg 9.26 http://i43.tinypic.com/4grp0y.jpg 9.27 http://i40.tinypic.com/ieoufk.jpg 9.50 http://i42.tinypic.com/344fwux.jpg 9.52 http://i43.tinypic.com/ivacrp.jpg 9.60 http://i43.tinypic.com/29ap1s3.jpg 9.61 http://i43.tinypic.com/2dqmse9.jpg 9.62 http://i44.tinypic.com/2w382f7.jpg 9.63 http://i40.tinypic.com/2uwx2.jpg 10.00 http://i40.tinypic.com/11h6tzc.jpg Opera for linux isn't affected (at least latest build): http://i41.tinypic.com/1231q1w.jpg Source code of the page:

<div id="cnt">
<h1>Preuzimanje</h1>
<ul><li><a class="preuz" href="download/NeoGame-BA.xpi" title="NeoGame BA FF2">NeoGame BA mod Firefox 2</a><p class="obj">NeoGame Game mod FoxGame popularne ekstenzije ze Firefox, prevedena i modifikovana za ogame.ba servere (verzija 1.4.18.8) za Firefox 2</p></li>
<li><a class="preuz" href="download/NeoGameFF3-BA.xpi" title="NeoGame BA FF3">NeoGame BA mod Firefox 3</a><p class="obj">NeoGame Game mod FoxGame popularne ekstenzije ze Firefox, prevedena i modifikovana za ogame.ba servere (verzija 1.4.18.11) za Firefox 3</p></li></ul>
</div>

Relative part of stylesheet:

.obj{color:#ccc;font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;font-size:0.75em;opacity:0.85;}
#cnt{font-size:0.95em;text-align:left;padding:0.4em}
h1{font-size:1.9em;text-align:center;padding:1.2em}

Would liked to hear what devs have to say about this...

Originally posted by pejakm:

opacity:0.85;

As far as I can remember, there was a bug where this CSS-code in fact set opacity to 1-0.85=0.15

Nice... A seriuos bug haven't fixed since version 9.50...

Thanks for info, Sterkrig.

Originally posted by arnyq:

Why would US Univ. admins start testing volume installs of a software, professors and students never ask about? It doesn't work that way.

You're absolutely right. There is no practical reason for a uni to roll out Opera on its computers. The Uni I worked at only put software on PCs that were a part of a study course. So unless a lecturer made Opera a requirement for their course it would never be installed. If Opera does want to get in with students, they can't expect the desktop administrators to do them any favours.

@pejakm: transparent text renders the same (normally) for me.
Opera 10.1229 (Windows XP SP2)

And I just wander why transparent text on your screenshots is black, when it is almost white (#ccc)?

@FataL: This is because of the opacity. I've removed opacity from my css and now the text is white.

HTML mail composition still has problems when you don't have set "prefer HTML", then begin writing an email, then switch to HTML and then start a bulletin list.
The longer such a list gets, the more quirks appear...

Unfortunately this version hangs on pages with java applets. I use opera under openSuse Linux. My version of java is

java version "1.6.0_11"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_11-b03)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 11.0-b16, mixed mode)

I have this problem for example with:
http://javaboutique.internet.com/asteroids/

I don't know if this is part of the known issue...

E-mails may lose their content when they are sent, resulting in recipients getting blank e-mails.

but I sent 3 times the same e-mail with a .doc attachment using HTML formatting and the 3 times it failed to deliver the attached file, the text was OK. So I sent the same e-mail using Pain Text and the attachment was correctly delivered on the first try.

I don't know if this is part of the known issue...

E-mails may lose their content when they are sent, resulting in recipients getting blank e-mails.

but I sent 3 times the same e-mail with a .doc attachment using HTML formatting and the 3 times it failed to deliver the attached file, the text was OK. So I sent the same e-mail using Pain Text and the attachment was correctly delivered on the first try.

@andresruiz:the attachments bug is a known issue from the first alpha build.

@pejakm: I did separate tests with your page, and my own.

could this be a bug?.

since alpha release on some pages with thumbnails as flickr, sometimes pix wont load complete.


then when i use show images/no images button those pictures that didnt load properly finally do.

may be i should file a bug.

anyone having this odd trouble?.

winxp

FataL, I did a test with your test code, it works! I don't understand... The difference I see is that you wrote opacity values without leading zeroes...

Originally posted by pejakm:

Would liked to hear what devs have to say about this...

I'm not a developer, but a tester. So I tried making a testcase from the code quotes you gave, and I couldn't replicate the problem in the recent 10.0 builds or earlier Opera versions. So likely some other part of the page code is involved.

Originally posted by zikzakatak:

since alpha release on some pages with thumbnails as flickr, sometimes pix wont load complete.

I've found this also. I wasn't sure if it was Opera or a bad connection through my ISP. I haven't searched for any reports of the issue in the Beta testing forum.

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Are the webmail providers for mailto links not available in Linux 64-bit? I have it on my Windows machine but it's not available on my Linux box. Anyone know? TIA.

@Rijk: Thanks, I thought it could be something else in my css. Will take a look further into this, so that I can report a bug if necessary.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

Lets say I just installed the browser.
By default I'de like it not to do a darn thing on it's own.
But what does it do?

Do you use any other browsers? Firefox and Chrome both do automatic updates. Safari and IE are automatically updated through the OS. Automatic updates are more secure than manual updating. If you don't like it, disable it and move on. I am glad that opera caught up and finally got autoupdates. I go to my mom's and dad's comp and they are still on version 8.53 and ignore the notification to update everytime they start the browser. They are not benefitting from all the security updates since then so their comps are vulnerable. If they were automatically updated, that would be a non-issue.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

It also reports every site I visit.

So does chrome, ie, and firefox. Although it is not reporting anything, it is checking the domain to see if it is blacklisted or whitelisted... same as other browsers do.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

A simple dialog option or options for these would suffice.

Most if not all have dialog options and/or opera:config settings to be disabled.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

That's what pisses me off.
I don't like that stuff.
...
I know it's a pain to program sometimes, I know how that sorta thing goes.

What kind of applications do you develop? Are they bug free?

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

The gui thing, I know, I can make my own.
... my preferences ... i don't like... i wish... feature requests...

There is a feature request forum but it sounds like you want a specific skin. You don't have to make your own skin. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of skins to choose from.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

I just think that the ability to disable all of the extra security stuffs and auto update stuffs should be wokring

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

I just think that the ability to disable all of the extra security stuffs and auto update stuffs should be wokring and easyier to do (should all be in the config dialog's).

I disagree. Disabling security should not be easy but possible. I don't want my parents turning off functionality that will benefit them by accident. You are an atypical user because you are advanced enough to want to turn this stuff off and even more atypical because you are so paranoid/anal about it.

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

And that the gui should be using matching colors, if it's gonna be black, make the whole gui black!.
And fix the margins and paddings in the gui.

You know there exists a forum specifically for feature requests. You should try using it instead of the blog comments to talk about your preferences and what you like and would like to see in opera.

@NEOAethyr: This is not your personal place to complain about what you like. The forums more appropriately fit that role. Make sure you open threads in the respective forums however. Try venting in the forums next time. Report bugs here not preferences that you disagree with.

This seems to be a regression in Build 6195 (Mac-intel). Go to eWeek. It doesn't fully-load, but clicking on a link doesn't go anywhere. Issuing <escape> then lets Opera load the clicked link...

videos in flickr also play very slow...like still images.

i notice the not loading all pictures on mac too.

@kamalesh:

I've noticed something similar. I don't know what Google Analytics does, but I've noticed on a number of sites (www.huffingtonpost.com for one) that periodically a page will hang instead of loading. Almost EVERY time, regardless of site, I look at the progress bar and the browswer is trying to contact or waiting for data from Google Analytics. If I click on the "close" button for the loading page (hadn't tried "escape"), it drops the Google Analytics connection and goes on to load the page.

Well I'm STILL waiting for youtube and the rest to be as reliable as it is in 9.63..... :time:

Previous build was more stable. This one crashes sometimes.

Picture:
http://i44.tinypic.com/23vhxy0.jpg

English version:
Instruction at "0x678f2091" referenced memory at "0x8d00001c". The memory could not be "read".

StumbleUpon still doesn't work normally. Sing Up/In page is not displayed correctly and "Flag This" dialog doesn't appear (or it does but heavily garbled).

I have found some mail issues:

- when I import mail from a mbox file, if I click "Add folder", then cancel the dialog, and then click "Add folder" again, the dialog is not shown

- when I import mails from a mbox file, lines lose their trailing spaces

oki... so i started seriously blowing that my internet speed is way down today... only to discover its opera. in IE browsing is the same as usual.. the other thing... i use opera as my default browser. im a web dev. so have a few of the other browsers open and dreamweaver etc. opera 10 seems to heavily hit PC performance for some reason. im actually having to wait between alt tabs now... when i close opera its all fine again. all in all... bar the speed issue.. and the youtube playing in slide show mode... opera 10 is definitely on the right track.

(sp misstates fixed by the browser spellcheck - loving it)

Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

As long as they can fix up the current alpha a bit, I'de be willing to upgrade.

Go to the appropriate forums and ask questions with definitive answers and you'll be more likely to get assistance. This is not the place for such.

Win XP SP3

Suddenly, none of my emails older than this past Sunday have any bodies. The "read/unread" icons for these emails are greyed-out and turn into downward-pointing arrows if I click on them and then click on another email.

This is seven years worth of saved email.

It's as though a time bomb went off in my email. Everything was fine until about a half hour ago, when I d/l'ed some skins, tried a couple of them out, clicked "view all headers and message" for an email, did a search in email for a sender name, and then suddenly the bodies of older emails disappeared.

Edit: As expected, a direct inspection of the mail store confirms all email bodies are present.

Edit: If I close Opera and reopen, all of the icons that changed to downward arrows have reverted to greyed-out "read/unread" icons.

Edit: OK - now the destruction is complete. Closed Opera and opened it again, and now ALL email bodies are gone. Some indexing function of M2 has gone completely haywire.

@ayespy: This reminds me of another peculiarity, albeit not that castastrophic. When I import mail (from a mbox file) and choose to import to an existing accout, if I import into an IMAP account with "Do not download message bodies" set, only the last three mails are shown with bodies. The others are shown gray, and no body is dispalyed when I click them. If I import into an account with "Download message bodies when I click them" setting, everything is OK.

some mac notes:
cmd-opt-w only works after a page is d'loaded
else have to use cmd-shift-w
eg.
1. cmd-T (x5)
2. cmd-opt-w
nothing
then
3. load opera:about
4. cmd-opt-w
OK.

this is similar to ffox.

but
1. cmd-T (x5)
2. cmd-opt-shift-w
OK.

compare with Camino 1.6.6 & Safari 3.2.1
1. cmd-T (x5)
2. cmd-opt-w
OK.

I'm getting more crashing with this build (OSX) reported via Smart Crash Reports. I think it's my Gmail tab.

If I don't keep the tab open in the background, it's more stable. I'm using 4 Google Labs gadgets, FYI: Calendar, Task List, prompt on attachments, and colored labels.

I'm getting an "infinity" horizontal scrollbar at eBay in this build...

"Go to the appropriate forums and ask questions with definitive answers and you'll be more likely to get assistance. This is not the place for such."

@By fearphage

All 3 comments of mine in this thread had bug reports in them, then they were del'ed.
I didn't ask for assistance.