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Snapshot build with preview of the *new* Skin

For those who'd like a sneaky-peek at the development of the new Opera 10 skin for Windows and Mac, this is the snapshot build for you!

Things to bear in mind while you're playing with this:
  • What you see here is neither complete nor final, and there will be more iterations before the final release. Some elements will still look like the current skin!
  • Currently the skin is implemented for the default setup, tabs at the top, panels on the left, panel toolbar on the left and status bar at the bottom. Other setups will look a bit odd - for now.
  • This build doesn't include the new features in Opera 10, so one of the reasons for the revised skin isn't there. All we be clear when the beta comes out!

A more descriptive post about the thinking behind the new skin, and why we're changing it will follow with the beta. For now, give it time to 'settle down' and see what you think!

Please post your skin feedback in this forum thread.

Screenshot
We have also hit another issue no other browser has run into (yet!). By reaching the version number 10 we have noticed several high-profile sites and frameworks breaking because of wrong browser sniffing. Opera 10 gets (erroneously!) detected as... Opera 1. We have modified the UA string to read

Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) Presto/2.2.15 Version/10.00

(or similar - depending on your platform). The "real" version is added at the end of the string. We will publish a more detailed explanation of this soon. Please let us know if you come across some web sites that break now because of this change!

Update:
We have published today an article that details the UA string change. Make sure to read it.


Known Issues
  • There are several issues with the skin: Speed Dial is unfinished, there are missing/outdated icons, some things may be placeholders/work in progress, and so on
  • [DSK-253836] When reading mails, headers only show e-mail addresses rather than "name" <e-mail@address.invalid> for senders not in your contact list

Changelogs
  • Some fixes to crash upload dialog
  • Use default search engine rather than a specific search engine when tying two or more words and pressing Enter
  • [DSK-180617] Links opened in external applications closes page if page is opened from a panel or mail
  • [DSK-239506] Can't correct spelling using only the keyboard
  • [DSK-251332] Changing the size of the searchfield when the addressbar is placed on the left causes it to disappear forever
  • [DSK-251349] Search box and address field are misaligned
  • [DSK-252737] No timeout when new spelling checker dictionaries can't be retrieved
  • [DSK-252992] "Other Application..." doesnt' work in the BitTorren Client Selection dialog
  • [DSK-253202] Replace 'Language' with 'Dictionary' in dictionary download wizard and spellcheck menu

Skinning improvements:
  • Made the splitter dividers separately skinable with the sections [Splitter Horizontal Divider Skin] and [Splitter Vertical Divider Skin]. Remember their height/width is always 3px
  • Text-shadow ability in the skin

Search UI updates:
  • Use "?" as a shortcut (instead of, e.g., "g") in the URL field to search with the default search engine
  • Show "Search the Web" and use the default search engine rather than Google specifically in the URL dropdown when typing in one or more words in the URL field

Core
  • Reverted [CORE-14999] Send DOMContentLoaded when the parsing is complete even if it's discovered a little later than usual
  • Partial fix: [CORE-20956] Wand does not submit if form includes two input fields and a password field
  • [CORE-466] vertical-align is not inherited in tables
  • [CORE-3587] Float not reset to none for absolutely positioned elements
  • [CORE-4589] designMode: Text entered after creating link turns into link
  • [CORE-8335] BiDi: Unable to reach end position of hilight text
  • [CORE-17018] WebFonts break when using the OpenType format
  • [CORE-19215] Deleted selected string incorrectly rolls back when composing using IME in editable document
  • [CORE-19836] non-visible WMP not initialized
  • [CORE-20012] Fastmail rich text editing breaks interface
  • [DSK-244367] Error page on unsupported HTTP authentication scheme instead of showing the response body

Stability
  • Mail: Crash fix for opening sent message that didn't have body
  • Spelling checker: Crash fix for dictionaries that seems installed, but do not get picked up by the spellcheck module for some reason.
  • Spelling checker: Fixed crash if the dictionary is downloaded but the check sum is not correct
  • Fixes based on automated crash reporting
  • [CORE-19581] Opera crash on searching text on a specific page
  • [CORE-20406] Opera crashes on positioning tasks in Gmail2
  • [CORE-20470] Calling referenced native function crashes opera
  • [CORE-20598] Blog feed freezes Opera/doesn't load when Delayed Script Execution is enabled
  • [CORE-20930] Inserting BODY element into existing BODY tag causes crash
  • [CORE-20950] Crash at Facebook because of NULL base url (most common crash for Opera Mini)
  • [CORE-21171] Freezes and eats all memory within seconds on certain pages (eztv.it, funfile.org)
  • [DSK-223018] BitTorrent: Unreproducible bittorrent crash when selecting items in transfers panel
  • [DSK-223722] Opera freeze for a long time when viewing transfers
  • [DSK-240287] BitTorrent: Crash after downloading a few torrents
  • [DSK-240724] Going to a fraud URL with a username crashes Opera
  • [DSK-242050] Crash while managing feed items
  • [DSK-249422] Crash when clicking certain mails
  • [DSK-252115] "Feeds > (Feed name) -> Click on Post -> From -> Follow Contact" crashes Opera
  • [DSK-252764] Setting feed update interval to 5 minutes for a lot of feeds makes Opera use too much memory over time
  • [DSK-253542] Check spelling doesn't work or crashes in upgrade installation

Mail
  • Fixed threading of reopened drafts
  • Better error handling to avoid duplicate mails
  • A new error message from m2 when a message fails to be indexed
  • Added format=flowed parameters to the content-type header
  • Fixes to "show sent" mail in threaded view
  • Enable "show sent" when setting Sent IMAP folder
  • Do the consistency check on exit after upgrade
  • Wrapping should depend on account settings
  • Show a bit more relevant context menu when using context menu button in compose window
  • [DSK-189699] Mails are not sorted on latest message in thread view
  • [DSK-199963] M2 doesn't add a name to e-mail address when composing the e-mail from existing address
  • [DSK-233440] Dragging message between IMAP accounts sometimes fails
  • [DSK-239836] Forwarding a feed in HTML will include the word "article" in a huge font
  • [DSK-224803] Cannot view email headers if text/plain not opened by Opera: Force viewer to be Opera when opening raw mail
  • [DSK-244169] Font used in body field doesn't reflect font in drop-down
  • [DSK-246522] The compose action opens webmail page instead of compose window
  • [DSK-247011] Automatic RTL detection on reply
  • [DSK-247788] M2 wrongly claims that there are no new messages when connection to server is interrupted
  • [DSK-248265] Hide HTML formatting in newsgroup compose window
  • [DSK-248267] Directionality detection missing when editing an existing email
  • [DSK-248543] The last part of Japanese Subject is not shown
  • [DSK-249350] Database consistency check should be periodic
  • [DSK-250841] Drafts appear in received folder when any characters was entered into the to field
  • [DSK-251008] Opening a mail copy from Sent, changing its To address and sending it, replaces the copy in Sent instead of creating a new sent email entry
  • [DSK-252156] Forced exporting mail option
  • [DSK-252235] Upgrading results in duplicate and blank messages
  • [DSK-252238] "Show read" gets unchecked for Received view when upgrading
  • [DSK-252495] Bottom border in mail compose area missing
  • [DSK-252658] Fetch all e-mails when switching from Low-bandwidth mode to "Make all messages available offline"
  • [DSK-253417] Mail folder not copied when upgrading from 9.64
  • [DSK-253425] To, CC, and BCC fields not shown when opening Mail in Sent view

Chat
  • Partial fix: [DSK-246177] Connnecting to a malevolent IRC server can render Opera usuable with too many modal dialog popups
  • [DSK-228014] Saving IRC/Chat window silently fails if MHT or "HTML with images" is chosen
  • [DSK-248365] IRC password not memorized when using /join command
  • [DSK-253327] Joining a password protected channel for the first time via a typed join command fails

Opera Link
  • [DSK-249571] Link queue not sent when exiting Opera

Opera Turbo
  • Context menu changes
  • Changes to the Turbo dialog
  • Adding Turbo icons for the turbo notification dialog
  • [DSK-247507] Turbo button not automatically added to status bar in upgrade installations
  • [DSK-248836] Turbo mode not keyboard accessible
  • [DSK-249981] Turbo: Text color for the turbo button is not changeable by skin
  • [DSK-252890] Turbo status icons should respect the text-only option
  • [TURBO-159] A placeholder is needed for plugins that are not loaded yet: Changing the icon
  • [TURBO-183] Turbo state not switched after clicking JavaScript links
  • [TURBO-220] Tabs opened from mail, chat etc. windows should use global setting to determine Turbo Mode state
  • [TURBO-224] Correct handling of history positions when reloading in new Turbo Mode state

Windows
  • Fixed a problem that would prevent the previous opera instance to be registered for uninstallation
  • Added registry value indicating whether installation was done by administrator
  • [DSK-226188] Extension lost when renaming a file in the save dialog to include a period
  • [DSK-231787] Unable to set default browser in the Start Menu
  • [DSK-245142] Removed spellcheck.dll, as it's no longer needed for new spelling checker
  • [DSK-245686] Silverlight crash when reloading quickly
  • [DSK-246447] Can't install Opera with a limited account
  • [DSK-246448] Fix for automatic updates with limited (non-admin) XP accounts
  • [DSK-251584] Hidden popup blocks installation process when Opera is still running
  • [DSK-252544] Information about installation directory missing must not be handled by browser
  • [DSK-253587] Ddouble file extensions added on download

Mac
  • [CORE-19054] Fix for showing print preview)
  • [DSK-248272] Possible to insert non-images using Insert > Image)
  • [DSK-248013] Sub-menu items replace menu items in the Opera menu)

Unix
  • Removed '-nosession' as a separate command line option. It is already handeled as an alias to '-nowin'
  • [DSK-230698] Serious drawing issues in the Qt4 build
  • [DSK-235281] Refresh causes Opera to go backwards in history after interaction with Flash
  • [DSK-251177] navigator.plugins.refresh() takes long time; cache the plugin information
  • [DSK-251573] Don't renice pluginwrapper to 19
  • [DSK-251805] Hang when doubleclicking text while flash is running

WARNING: This is a development snapshot: it contains the latest changes, but may also have severe known issues, including crashes and data loss situations. In fact, it may not work at all.

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Comments

zoquete Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:47:57 PM

Please compare, I hope I am not the only one who sees a abbys in quality:

new emoticons:
terrible

nice old emoticons used since 7.5x:
nice

cry cry cry

Jacek Godlewskijacekgodlewski Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:48:09 PM

chomikuj.pl is working, first time since 9.6x!
As far as new skin is concerned, I would also like buttons "less separated" and use less pixels in vertical.
Active tab distinct, at last!
Overall impression very good.
Good work, Opera Team. Keep it up!

evgeny-ig Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:51:14 PM

Again Russian msi installer shows the same error as previous builds!!! I can install it only using English language during the installation process... cry

Cyro Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:58:10 PM

Originally posted by zoquete:

Please compare, I hope I am not the only one who sees a abbys in quality:


I agree. The old emoticons were much better. Maybe they change their mind and roll back.

John BarnettJohn164 Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:58:14 PM

Originally posted by TriMN:

Are you on Windows or Mac? It's an Opera bug on the Mac.



Windows. That might explain why it works with my system and not yours.

John BarnettJohn164 Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:00:16 PM

Originally posted by mgillespie:

Automatic upgrade removed my desktop shortcut, quicklaunch and start menu shortcuts!!!




Same thing happened with me.

zoquete Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:01:10 PM

'< roll back to nice smileys pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee

My avatar has been inspired by the old pacman smile

cyb0y Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:05:19 PM

Dark grey squares and greyed thumbnails in speed dial looks bad. What about add setting "change color" or something like that?

Haavardhaavard Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:15:57 PM

zoquete, please stop repeating the same thing over and over again in multiple places. Thanks.

cyb0y, please read the known issues list before commenting.

Originally posted by silas.lenz:

10.00 Beta (stands in opera:about)?
Is it already an beta?

No, it's a snapshot. Treat it like (pre-)alpha software.

z25blink Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:20:10 PM

Thanks for new skin! (but I would like little darker one)

Jacek Godlewskijacekgodlewski Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:20:30 PM

Too much pixels in vertical just making tab bars uselesly thicker.
Too large spaces - if any needed - between buttons.
Nice new mail view button "show sent to" but I cannot see menu eqiuvalent.
Generally, very good job, congratulations1
Opera long-years-user

z25blink Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:21:49 PM

can´t loading in Dromaeo.com recommended tests are not loading at all!

Marcelo Javierpunkesito Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:22:28 PM

autoupdate working YES!!!!!!!!!!!!yes yes yes

MichailNTMan Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:30:37 PM

Can't run this version under Windows NT 4.0. Previous version worked on NT 4.0

z25blink Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:32:22 PM

Useragent string from pevous builds was Presto 2.2.2 cool cool

Now is Presto 2.2.15

What does it mean? Explain it. Is there any new chanches or is older Presto build? bandit



Andrey Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:33:02 PM

MSI installer is broken at least for three last builds for Russian language.

FataL Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:36:25 PM

Originally posted by sysakPL:

-Isn't it the time for using title bar as a tab bar like in safari or chrome? Lot more practical and minimalistically cool. I know opera doesn't like to copy the ideas of others but this is actually genious, and i think this is a "must have" in O10 final. Otherwise It'll look 2003 boring

no I prefer OS GUI standards!
Hate those Adobe and Apple skins, that just cover native Windows application title bar.

z25blink Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:37:40 PM

autoupdate working YES!!!!!!!!!!!! smile smile smile

(For Me too)

Finally!!! Auto-update feature working fine!

No problems with bookmarks or other profile settings.

(Only change default language file to english. I had to find my language in other folder)

FataL Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:42:06 PM

Originally posted by evgeny-ig:

Again Russian msi installer shows the same error as previous builds!!! I can install it only using English language during the installation process...

Can confirm!

MyOpera team, please fix this!fearphage Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:43:19 PM

Originally posted by tsarhan:

Please, add easy ability to hide top menu with File / Edit/ View etc.

Alt-F11 on all non-windows OS's. You can enable it manually in windows via Preferences > Advanced > Shortcuts > Keyboard.

Originally posted by FataL:

I remember that it's possible if you check/uncheck something in opera:config

Details please.

Originally posted by z25blink:

Useragent string from pevous builds was Presto 2.2.2

Now is Presto 2.2.15

What does it mean? Explain it. Is there any new chanches or is older Presto build?

.2 -> .3 ...etc... .8 .9 .10 .11 -> .15

z25blink Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:46:29 PM

This build is still in "loading stage" on many sites. Not fully loaded up on several webpages. (like 68/70 -or other numbers- showing in url bar). cry

It is annoying to push stop/reload button in all webs

LamboMan Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:48:22 PM

Nice skin, I really the new direction its taking. But i'm not a fan of the new emoticons. The last ones looked much better. And the new tabs don't look too good either.

There also seems to be a problem with the way the icons in the bookmarks dropdown menu are displayed. It shows only the new default opera skin icons and not the ones which come with any other skin which i use(all from My Opera Skins section).

The default skin is also being displayed in the panels instead of what should be shown when i use a different skin.

Other than these, i can't seem to find any problems. bigsmile

BottleField Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:55:35 PM

Tab panel is still too dark.sad Make it lighter, please.

New colored icon is beautiful.

Opera 9.5 skin was ugly, and I hope, new skin will be totally different.

Andresandresruiz Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:06:48 PM

Wow !! Thanks a lot, the skin looks just great, my mail is even better with the new icons and I just downloaded from the language dialog the Spanish (es-VE) language file and it works perfect here in Colombia. (after all, there is only one Spanish language). So I'm sooooo happy with this build. cheers

FataL Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:07:51 PM

Originally posted by fearphage:

Originally posted by FataL:

I remember that it's possible if you check/uncheck something in opera:config

Details please.

Simulating Chrome's Omnibar in Opera
Enabling google's I'm feeling lucky search after failed url attempt (and more)

But Chrome works little better for me always going fast to search keywords without standard "http, ftp, etc." prefixes. Also it give me a warning for local host names if it match the keyword.
For example: "Did you mean to go to http://intranet/ ?" And after I click that proposed link every other time I type "intranet" Chrome always go to http://intranet instead googling it.
And all that is default behaviour of Chrome.

omnivox Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:08:15 PM

Updating still doesn't keep any of my settings, bookmarks etc... sigh. I really don't want to and won't start with a "blank" browser.

XenoAntaresXAntares Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:11:40 PM

Just used Classical Installer to install new Alpha over build 1497 (WinXP).

I get a basic plain OK-button-messagebox stating something like "Unable to start module 43" (I know, literal reporting of error messages is rather essential for the developers – so forgive my bad memory tonight. ;))

Sergio Uribesuribe Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:14:58 PM

Wondeful skin, great job Mr Hicks

LamboMan Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:25:58 PM

On second thought, after comparing the new skin to the previous one i am beginning to not like it at all. Sure, some of the new buttons like the ones on the panel look great, but as a whole this skin looks a lot cheaper than the last one. awww
I mean, it has lost that nice glossy effect in a lot of places, especially the tabs. The tabs should really be worked upon. Addition of some nice highlights, shadows, metallic shine etc. to them would help Opera in attracting new customers easily. I for one liked Opera when i first saw it because the default skin looked great. It had nice mouse over effects on tabs and buttons, but all this seems to have been lost in this 'upgrade'.

Hope the team corrects the problems quickly. We love you Opera! yes

Kamaleshkamalesh Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:26:49 PM

Auto-update worked great...nice skin for the Mac build. The 3-D tab bar is nicely done, though it does jump out at you the first time... smile

I like the cool progress circle on the tab when it loads (replaced by favicon when it fully loads). up

Publisher Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:40:29 PM

hi,
very nice new skin. up
Some small Things.
- could be make the Scrollbar darker?
- The Buttons on the Panel look bad when they on top or bottom.
- when given the Bookmark menu drag & drop?

Ivo Naninckinaninck Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:40:38 PM

Wow!! Good job!!

Version 10.00 Beta
Build 4394
Platform Linux

Mağruf ÇolakoğluZAHEK Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:41:03 PM

seems very usefull.I'll try at once smile

Haavardhaavard Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:46:47 PM

Originally posted by HerwigF:

Well, I have contributed a piece of code for the web interface of the Jana proxy (www.janaserver.de) to avoid this silly problem. This is better than faking the number in the browser.

Unfortunately, there are more sites out there than the Jana proxy.

Using this silly faked Mozilla 4.0 string in front of browser IDs was silly enough, and is still used by some browsers. Please don't make it even more silly by faking the browser version.

The decision was made to do this because too many sites were affected. It was not an easy decision. I guess it's an easy decision if one does not have to work on site compatibility issues every day.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could all ignore the real Web and always do what's "right"? We can keep dreaming and wishing. But in the meantime, we have to deal with the real Web.

Keane Mcgoughkeanebean86 Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:00:16 PM

I sure would be nice if we could choose the speed dial color scheme.

DStrohma Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:02:07 PM

WOW! the new skin is really cool...
also all the mail icons

János, Vinczevinczej Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:04:31 PM

Hurraaa! Add/Remove Dictionaries works perfectly...finally! up

Ravindran NavaneethanRavindran Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:11:58 PM

Fabulous skin. Thanks.

XenoAntaresXAntares Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:30:00 PM

Okay, re-tried installing this Alpha (classic installer, over build 1497, WinXP SP2).

Trying to launch Opera after some seconds I get an error message box under the title "Opera" displaying: "Error initializing Opera: module 44".

A Filemonitor reveals, that the last files Opera accessed before aborting with this message are Widget-.zips and their cache-folders (%LocalAppdata%\Opera\Opera\widgets\<id>\cache\*).

Ednilson Maiaemaia Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:30:47 PM

When I type "shift + 6 + e" for return "ê"... returns "6ê"
Other characters ok... ó ç ã... Only "^" bug.
With any letter... 6Â 6â 6ô...

In other applications, my keyboard is ok!

Versão 10.00 Beta
Build 6466
Plataforma Mac OS X
Sistema 10.5.7
Java Java Runtime Environment instalado.

And... pt_br

origPumu Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:33:05 PM

Please reenable the "old" new skin.
This new one is ugly.

MalinMalinkh Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:33:30 PM

I thinik that skin looks to much like google chrome.

fernando823Fer84 Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:51:06 PM

I'm sorry but I don't feel very thrilled with the new skin sad IMHO it was overall better the previous one, more STYLISH and ELEGANT:

-I deeply hate the hearts in the fav icons, and the green/blue color in them as well. no I just can't understand what were you thinking in. The stars were perfect.
-The 'closed tabs' icon was more intuitive before!down
-The rounded shape of the tabs is not of my taste. Maybe something like this would be better / \
-The 'new tab' button was better before.
-The old delete private data button (!) was better.
-In general the buttons of the address bar were better before, and they need more horizontal space now.
-Like in previous skin, there's a lot of vertical space wasted, and status bar is higher than previous version

+Tabs bar integrated with address bar yes
+I dislike the previous black folders icons, the new ones looks better.
+Panels tab looks better
+The wand button is more intuitive now, in fact, IMO it should not be called wand anymore. But I'd put some yellow to that key when passwd are available
+More contrast between active and inactive tabs up
+Progress circle on the tab while loads (but if animated better)

*Show thumb preview when dragging tabs
*Integrate file bar and personal bar
*Related: open new links on the right of active 'group' of tabs, like IE or Chrome

Why don't you add some animations, transparencies and especially, increase the vertical space? Those are the only reasons that make changing the skin worth, cause it was not so bad before.

Again IMHO, this skin has nothing to do with Chromes one.coffee

lamarca lamarca Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:52:35 PM

thanks. downloading ....

Marekmarol Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:03:16 PM

Hello, Good Looking!


I like the new look and can't wait to see the beta.

Sierd027 Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:17:34 PM

Thank you for the new build Opera team.

But... please stop this, and get back on the road again.
Awful design, childish, and it looks very cheap.
Also the email part is brrrrrrrr.


Don't do this please.

Previous build was a lot better.




DreemerNJ Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:19:25 PM

This is shaping up to be my favorite skin out of all the default skins that have come with Opera. Since skins were added I've changed to either some other skin or OS Native when I started using a new version. But this one really really looks good to me.

LaliLali19871014 Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:24:59 PM

The Speed Dials skin is very poor sad

Between the Address bar and tab bar are to little place.

Doliprane'Doliprane Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:26:08 PM

Good, Keep going party

Ricardo FerreiraRichardCooper Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:59:31 PM

Some problem whit mail.

The connetion to gmail frezzes (pop3).

The "ok" button in the settings some times doesn't work.

Congratulations for new skin up

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