Originally posted by svein:

I swim around in my bowl on Olli's desk and eat flaky fish food. On weekends he brings me home and I get to look at the view from his kitchen window. These are great times!

these blue dots on tabs are even more beautifull than the red ones.

red --> blue (celeste)

Please don't change them! Now they are perfect

'< LIKE A HEAVEN!

Thank you Hicks? or whoever

No red dots, or are we just outta red dots? Luckily we had a tractor trailer out back full of blue dots to add to this release.

Congrats on the blog post sveins

the blue dots are better than the red dots but I still prefer the old way of highlighting, more easy to spot yet paradoxically less distracting

ps the transparency in qt4 build is still not 100% though it looks better now than before

These blue attention dots don't really grab my attention.
They need to be much more aggressive, especially now when bold text and different (blue) color of the attention tab were both removed.

Originally posted by Sutekh:

These blue attention dots don't really grab my attention.
They need to be much more aggressive, especially now when bold text and different (blue) color of the attention tab were both removed.

Agree entirely. Red was fine for me.

With tab thumbnails on right, the resize toggle is *much* bigger than in the last build. You give the status bar so little padding... why do you make a resize handle so big?

Why do you insist on keeping that UGLY line between address bar and tab bar ? A lot of people have already said it unnecessary and totally doesn't suit with general look.

You really should come back to the previous concept !

imarooned, the "ugly line" is there very important and nice. Without it, the top of addressbar would look very fat / thick / huge.

Originally posted by desktopteam:

Fixed Bug DSK-252540 (Error console no longer has a clickable link/icon to the filenames of the files throwing the errors)
Fixed Bug DSK-260106 (Blocking content that is added as an iframe src using JavaScript causes page to never stop loading)

Any fix with "error console" in it is strong in my book. Thanks guys and still loving and appreciating the lengthy changelogs. Have a good weekend.

Originally posted by desktopteam:

Attention state red dots are now blue. The red dots got some flak the last time around, so after a bit of shilly-shallying and random trepidation we decided to switch out the racuous red for a balmy breeze-like blue. We hope you like it.

My suggestion is to change the tab itself instead of adding additional artifacts to the tab. Change the background color of the tab or the border color. A 4-10px top border on a newly loaded tab would be very noticeable in my opinion. This should, of course, be configurable (colors at least if not the widths).

Originally posted by Changelog:

Tab thumbnails on the side interface has been spiffed up a bit.

Don't like it, sorry. It's nice to be able to change the width of the tab bar by dragging it but having that extra bar on the side is just not worth it. Why not just have that dragging thing come out when you're customising the skin? That sounds much more sensible to me.*

Another thing, some custom buttons are no longer affected by the QT native skin making them stand out like sore, black thumbs. Is that an issue with the buttons or has something been changed about the skin itself?

Oh, and another thing, the start bar is still not affected by the native skin.

Other than that, nice build! Seems fast.

*that, or make the dragging line much, much thinner. Right now the thing is an eyesore to me.

Dots should only be visible, thats all. They don't have to punch you in the eyes. Yes, you have to look at the pagebar. I hope it is not such a problem for you! Its one of the basic things you had to learn. You have to look at things if you want to see them.

Yeah blue dots

I like the skin improvements a ton!

I polished my recommendation that I showed in the last build.

Here it is, it is pixel perfect.
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/107/58259896.png

For those those who do not know what this is I'll explain. You click on an arrow and the tab bar moves there. This is only shown when thumbnails are shown and only when a certain amount of tabs are open.

Anyone like it?

Messenger is very cool Awesome snaposhot We are nearing RC but there is still some things that won't work like voice.

I'll show some skin bugs later today

hmm, i can't see this blog post appearing on the main Desktop Team page.

update: now it's there.

BUG : image is not displayed
http://club.panasonic.jp/mall/open/

Opera 10 build 1691


Firefox 3.5.2



BUG : object tag is displayed.
http://wiredvision.jp/news/science_technology/

Opera 10 build 1691


Firefox 3.5.2

Originally posted by zoquete:

imarooned, the "ugly line" is there very important and nice. Without it, the top of addressbar would look very fat / thick / huge.

?

Let's compare with skin from a few builds ago.

http://files.myopera.com/imarooned/files/addressbars.jpg

Do you still claim that it used to look fat/thick/huge (on the lef)and now it's slimmer/thinner/smaller (on the right)?

fix the font bug on linux and add growl to mac

Originally posted by svein:

Originally posted by svein:

I swim around in my bowl on Olli's desk and eat flaky fish food. On weekends he brings me home and I get to look at the view from his kitchen window. These are great times!

testing now

Originally posted by steno:

fix the font bug on linux

?

Keep up the great work.

I preferred the red dot, blue is fine too anyway.

Originally posted by imarooned:

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Let's compare with skin from a few builds ago.

http://files.myopera.com/imarooned/files/addressbars.jpg

Do you still claim that it used to look fat/thick/huge (on the lef)and now it's slimmer/thinner/smaller (on the right)?

Agreed, get rid of the line. It looks Horid, wastes space, and serves no purpose.

On the subject of looks, whilst the new skin has grown on me, I really dislike the "mess" (the only word that can describe it) that's now present in the Top L/H side of the panel bar when you have the menus switched off... All sorts of shadings and gradients all going different ways, it looks horid.

Originally posted by svein:

As you can tell from my avatar, I am also a goldfish

wishes?

Good job

Skin bug on Windows XP:
place the clock behind the closed tabs-button. The last digit is cut off.
http://files.myopera.com/muziekmeester/files/clock.jpg

EDIT: oh, I forgot to mention:

Originally posted by desktopteam:

Removing text bold and blue colour from attention tabs

bold text was helpful.

NICE +10!!

Can you implement Opera Link to Feeds???

The UI has evolved a lot over time and is looking a lot more polished

However I am still having stability issues due to Flip4mac plugin and crashes at startup using the startup dialog (which I can't use the built in crash logger for).

Thanks, testing.

Hi Desktop team,
Just a little bug when switsching between tab bar placement Top and Left :

When the mouse go up there in the left it seems to redraw and is ok (just a missing redraw I think).
Good work, opera 10 is on the way.

Thanks for the build and lots of bug fixes.

Originally posted by fearphage:

My suggestion is to change the tab itself instead of adding additional artifacts to the tab. Change the background color of the tab or the border color. A 4-10px top border on a newly loaded tab would be very noticeable in my opinion. This should, of course, be configurable (colors at least if not the widths).

+1
Changing the dot's color from red to blue clearly is an improvement since red is always a warning color and people might get the impression that an error occured while loading the page.
But I think no matter what color the dot gets, it always looks kinda misplaced, like a foreign object, breaking the natural flow of the pagebar.

Originally posted by mgillespie:

All sorts of shadings and gradients all going different ways, it looks horid.

I agree.

But thanks for reducing the width of the menu button, way better now.

Originally posted by MetalRaise:

But I think no matter what color the dot gets, it always looks kinda misplaced, like a foreign object, breaking the natural flow of the pagebar.

Maybe just changing the color of the tab with a light color not so different from a normal tab, instead of using dot's.

OH GOODIE, you fixed it so that the one way we'd found to get rid of the ugly Menu Button, i.e., getting rid of that entire space, doesn't work. How about you UNFIX it now? Haven't you figured out that the big complaint about that button is that WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET RID OF IT? WITHOUT TURNING THE MENU BAR ON? This is coming from someone who defends Opera so much I've almost developed the dreaded "fanboy" reputation, but for crying out loud....

Ok, here are some skin bugs and recommendations.

Center these buttons.

When showing thumbnails the panel, new tab and closed tabs button have a thick black line under it.

I liked it when the active tab blended with the address bar.

I also liked it when you showed thumbnails and the new tab button attached with the thumbnail.

Also please fix bug DSK-260199

Originally posted by mgillespie:

Agreed, get rid of the line. It looks Horid, wastes space, and serves no purpose

1px = wasts of space? :O

no purpose = design? OMG :O

Originally posted by MetalRaise:

breaking the natural flow of the pagebar

Yes, it attracts by shape and possition. the color is not that important.

Shape + position + sky-blue = enough attraction

Hm the "New Tab" button is kinda jumpy. There's always a little space between the last tab and the button.
http://img2.abload.de/img/aufzeichnenurhr.png

I tried to place the button manually next to the tab, but as soon as I close the customize dialogue it jumps to the right.

Originally posted by fresco:

Hm the "New Tab" button is kinda jumpy. There's always a little space between the last tab and the button.
http://img2.abload.de/img/aufzeichnenurhr.png

I tried to place the button manually next to the tab, but as soon as I close the customize dialogue it jumps to the right.

Yup, same for me. If I don't have tab bar filled with tabs, the button jumps from one spot to another.

Regression - Upgrading restores the "menu bar is disabled" button/menu (DSK-260863). Also with this bug it is virtually impossible to remove the button/menu. The old method that used to work, failed several times for me. To remove it, I had to restore defaults on the pagebar (if that's the name of it) and then the menu/button would stay hidden.

There is a line for the tab again....

Where is he new Opera logo?

No Windows 7 integration....

nice one

Impossible to see that blue dot. Red was better.

Following pages are still wrong displayed:

www.bild.de
Headline categories in the top-box.

www.focus.de
The "Videos|Fotos" section.

www.welt.de
"Aktuelle Videos" section (on the right).

All these pages have several ten-thousand visitors every day!

I have the latest Flash plug-in (10.0.32.18) installed. Win 7 RC 32

There are still to many pages wrongly displayed... :-(

Not loving the no auto-updates! Hope this is a temporary phenomenon!
And I would really like a way to remove the menu button without re-enabling the menu...

I like changes - blue dot is better - it doesn't jump into your eyes but if you're expecting to see changes it's there. Good work.

The dot (red or blue) isn't enough imo. I'm not actually sure why a colour/saturation change for the tab background colour isn't the solution.

The dot seems to be a different solution for the sake of it but doesn't seem as effective.

That aside I just setup Win7 and popped this build on it as my Opera setup of choice. Guess we'll I'll find out how it goes for normal every day use!

Interesting quirk.

I have tab thumbnails enabled (tab bar at the top). I have 7 tabs open including this one.

I have the mouse cursor over a tab, I press F4 to change the panel to hidden/closed (either way doesn't matter) and move the cursor to another tab and the ADD NEW TAB button jumps to the right. When I press F4 again (again state doesn't matter) the ADD NEW tab button moves back to it's correct location until... (see above)

...

It also seems to happen when I drag the tab bar down past the point of it's maximum size (ie: it doesn't grow bigger BUT the add new tab button jumps to the right)

...

Final edit to add, that it seems to hop around a fair bit actually when mousing over various parts of the interface.

hmmmm blue dots...red dots...


but mouse gestures and open with still an issue.

thanx for this one...

Anyone else having problems with the spell checker not remembering words you have added to the dictionary if your not using the default language? Whenever opera is closed it loses all my custom words. Its been like that for the last few builds for me.

So where do I get the new version for windows?

http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/o100s_1679m.exe is last weeks version. :-(