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The Return of Hot Chocolate

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The Mac team has made a lot of progress with the Cocoa migration, and here is the snapshot release (and a screenshot) to prove it! It should be a much smoother ride now….

Presto has been upgraded to version 2.5.20 with improved stability and site compatibility fixes. Among the fixes are the crash when enabling fit-to-width, crash when opening a PDF, and the Acid3 and DOM performance regression from Saturday’s snapshot build.

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Our bug wizard is very interested in any serious bugs. We want to bring this up to beta quality fast, so please help us out by reporting the problems you encounter!


Update: If you are using Windows 7, you will notice that Opera shows a green progress bar behind the Opera icon in the Windows taskbar when downloading files. You can also Turn off opera:config#UserPrefs|UseWindows7TaskbarThumbnails to disable the Windows 7 taskbar thumbnails. Please note that a bug causes this setting to also disable the download progress bar behind the Opera icon.

Known issues
  • "Copy Link Address" doesn’t work
  • No <video> on Mac
  • Mac crash on start-up with IPv6 connectivity
  • Disabling Windows 7 taskbar thumbnails also disables download progress in the taskbar

This build still represents early work in progress; as before many things are known not to work. It can still annoy you, crash, and potentially wipe all your precious bookmarks. Backup first!

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Comments

Sebastiánslalaurette Friday, January 22, 2010 3:56:22 PM

Originally posted by Vectronic:

or, you can set this to something like 12, 14, or 16, or whatever you prefer. Though it can make some websites become really ugly.



This is no solution for per-site problems. For example, I want to have a particular site always at 90% in my machine at work, but everything else at 100%. So I want it smaller, not larger; thus, a minimum font size would have no effect.

Ward Friday, January 22, 2010 3:58:44 PM

New build today?

I'm really looking forward to a build without the copy link crasher. That one bug is a deal breaker.

cousin333 Friday, January 22, 2010 4:00:35 PM

My problems so far, that I guess need to be fixed until first alpha:

- inline search doesn't work for me. it doesn't do anything until I check and uncheck the Match case option. Really annoying, besides I have to type fast, or it will close before I can do that.

- this text field redraw issue should be gone as well

- Mail created a lots of contacts

- opening a PDF inside Opera and closing its tab freezes Opera badly (using Adobe Reader plugin)

- inline spell check is not working

- context menu is not working in a note at all

- copy link crash

- inseting Notes into text fields

I have other issues of course, but I can live with them (at least in the alpha)

A suggestion: I see a great progress on UI, and I like that you finally get rid of fast forward and rewind and integrated them into back and forward, because the lots of arrow were distracting (they are nice features anyway, but depite being there and cluttering the UI, I almost never used them). I guess, aReload | Reload all (by pressing long) button will also be a nice addition

Vectronic Friday, January 22, 2010 4:14:35 PM

Originally posted by slalaurette:

This is no solution for per-site problems.

It wasn't intended to be, the person I was replying to was having problems with websites that use small fonts, thus that setting would help, if not alleviate their particular problem, not everyone's problem.

Sebastiánslalaurette Friday, January 22, 2010 4:37:48 PM

Originally posted by Vectronic:

It wasn't intended to be



OK.

Arguggi Friday, January 22, 2010 4:44:52 PM

I'm having a LOT of problems with text boxes like the one you use to leave comments on web sites like:

http://www.tomshardware.com/us/

and with every other text box i've seen so far, has anyone reported a bug or is this bug already known by the devs?

masterofopera Friday, January 22, 2010 5:06:20 PM

bug Freeze (99% CPU) when zooming SVG
does not happen with Opera 10.10 or 10.20 alpha

example:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Internet-explorer-usage-data.svg

reported as bug DSK-276970
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and the popups missing the maximize button sad ( bug ?)

But generally great work desktop-team! yes
Find in page smile
add search engine from directly too smile
jump-list smile
private (tab) browsing (I wished so long) smile
SPEED!!! smile smile
(at the moment some) Visual improvement for usability smile
Platform integration smile

I hope following features are coming too: idea
*Advanced Plugin Manager (global & site preferences)
(same as or even better than than FF 3.5)
*Complete FF-NoScript Functionality (incl. blocking some Javascript-attacs)
*Plug-in-, Widget-, Unite-app- and search-engine
Auto-Update-check (better than Firefox 3.6)
*Google maps search-engine default included.
(The user do not want to search for a solution)
*Advanced AD-Blocker: Blocking of specific AD flash
and AD text like the pictures and auto-download for AD block-lists
(same as or even better than than AdBlock+ @ FF 3.5)

ayespy Friday, January 22, 2010 5:13:10 PM

Originally posted by illiad:

Originally posted by ayespy:

if one signs in to the site, it seems a LITTLE worse.

that will be your cookies, then....


Not necessarily.

It's horrible if one doesn't even have an account. Their method for fetching from off-site to display in the page and for deploying counters, etc., is giving Opera indigestion.

A person who is signed-in may simply be getting MORE off-site communication attempts than one who is not (display of messages "you haven't joined our (other domain) social networking," etc.) - the cookie function may be trivial or irrelevant to the actual problem.

One should remember this is an aggregating site - so much of its content is updated elsewhere and retrieved from off-site to show in an automatically-refreshing front end.

Regardless, ALL other browsers (including 9.6, now - tho it had similar problems early in its development) handle the site without incident - so it is possible to do so.

mjpa Friday, January 22, 2010 5:13:27 PM

Originally posted by EricJH:

Why can't it be done asynchronously when even these asynchronous Javascript processing is possilbe? For the most time the offending images are not in the viewing area. So, do the stuff in the background so I can start reading.



It probably can thinking about it. Scroll to the anchor as soon as it is rendered and then modify the scroll position whenever the page is repainted in the UI. Of course, if the user manually scrolls it should stop updates to the scroll position.

EricJH Friday, January 22, 2010 5:39:38 PM

Originally posted by mjpa:

It probably can thinking about it. Scroll to the anchor as soon as it is rendered and then modify the scroll position whenever the page is repainted in the UI. Of course, if the user manually scrolls it should stop updates to the scroll position.

I keep hoping that one day they change the jump to anchor behaviour.....troll sherlock

masterofopera Friday, January 22, 2010 5:47:55 PM

Originally posted by asfaltas:

asfaltas 22. January 2010, 18:17



Confirmed, same with Opera 10.10
Does not happen with Firefox 3.6 or Safari 4.

ouzowtfouzoWTF Friday, January 22, 2010 6:57:35 PM

Opera staff, dont forget to update the internal pages like opera:config and opera:about wink

Martin KadlecBS-Harou Friday, January 22, 2010 7:15:05 PM

Do you plan to add support for CSS3 Gradients in some near build? up

Luchio Friday, January 22, 2010 7:15:40 PM

Originally posted by mjpa:

It probably can thinking about it. Scroll to the anchor as soon as it is rendered and then modify the scroll position whenever the page is repainted in the UI. Of course, if the user manually scrolls it should stop updates to the scroll position.


+1 !!!

Lonesome Bullet Friday, January 22, 2010 7:32:50 PM

Thank you Klaus Muller. I have Opera 3202 running with the lastest KernalEx. Compatability is set to Windows 2000 SP4.

mlewellyn Friday, January 22, 2010 7:37:47 PM

Here's to hoping we see a Solaris build soon. 10.10 is unstable as everything and doesn't work with Flash 10, so we Solaris users are waiting in anticipation of

z-o-o-m Friday, January 22, 2010 7:40:13 PM

anybody knows how to scroll horizontally with mouse? smile

some mice 2 wheels or 4way wheel ... but Opera still does not accept it sad
(even if I set Button6/7 to scroll right/left)

Øzikzakatak Friday, January 22, 2010 8:13:33 PM

Originally posted by lucideer:

They announced they were dropping that version to focus on 10.5.. Can't remember where that was said though now...




IMHO right thing to do...

Danieledarklink88 Friday, January 22, 2010 8:30:16 PM

I've found a little problem on the mac version... When i type "cmd+F" or "." in order to make a serach in the page, opera sets as default serach engine google, so after i press enter, everything I've typed is searched on google instead of the page i'm viewing.....

http://files.myopera.com/darklink88/files/Schermata%202010-01-22%20a%2021.23.31.png

Another thing...when I try to upload a file to my myopera account, opera 10.5 doesn't recognize the jpg or png files..i mean when the window in wich you have to choose the stuff you want to upload opens, image files are not selectable




NEOAethyr Friday, January 22, 2010 8:41:56 PM

Originally posted by illiad:

My solution is to just make a button for various zooms, for when needed..



I think that is an excellent idea for page zooms (not mentioning text zooms but I don't need that I think).
I'm gonna work on that for my setup later on today.
Thanks for giving me the idea to do so, probably look nicer and reduce clutter.

I'm thinking a toggle button, on = 200%, off = 100%.


Originally posted by BS-Harou:

Do you plan to add support for CSS3 Gradients in some near build?



I haven't read up on css in a while now.
But I do know ie6 has a gradient thingy as well.
I would like to see both implemented.


I'll try this build in win7 later on tonight probably.
I found I can use a usb stick or a seperate hd to install on my array, instead of a dvd.
Hopefully the new gui is still looking nice from what it was originally...

poorrichard01 Friday, January 22, 2010 8:50:34 PM

Originally posted by ferrisnox:

I like the greying-out as well.... I"m still bothered by the combined buttons though. I get it, but my mom won't. Has this been decided on?



Am I incorrect that anyone can replace the default combined buttons with the old ones, including the key?

syplex Friday, January 22, 2010 10:03:03 PM

The new cache folder layout is a step backwards, in my opinion. Before I could go into the cache folder, sort by date, and find resources that I just loaded with ease. It was actually much easier back when opera used to give the cache files appropriate extensions instead of naming them all .tmp files. So in actuality there have been two steps backwards since then. I tried using the opera:cache explorer but I couldn't get it to work and when it did work it was EXTREMELY slow.

Nancy López a.k.a. CyBeRGaTacybergata Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:19:23 AM

It would be great if 10.5 would allow me to change the type & size of font sometime in the near future.

Andrew Samandrewsam Saturday, January 23, 2010 5:07:34 AM

When are the linux builds coming to us... you are making me go to windows once in a while guys.. come on!

FavDjiXas Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:58:51 AM

I don't know if that's my issue or anything, but just tried 10.50 with many tabs for for some general is.

It's extremely slugish and hate those close/open tab login forms slide animations, which do not disappeared, even if I disable special effects.

z-o-o-m Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:22:00 AM

Originally posted by cvm:

Use DOWN button in address bar and select Go to: "localhost" instead default Search the Web for "localhost"



I see, I didn't notice the change wink

Kai OckendorfOckendorf Saturday, January 23, 2010 10:21:16 AM

Originally posted by DanielHendrycks:

Is HW Acceleration planned for 10.5?


Please tell us rolleyes

FavDjiXas Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:28:34 AM

Another bug: pop up tabs/windows do not have maximize buttons and it's not possible to resize them.

Also, lets say small pop up appears on the main page, sometimes its not possible to click on that main page (pop up stays on top). Not sure how to explain this

lucideer Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:26:41 PM

Originally posted by DjiXas:

Another bug: pop up tabs/windows do not have maximize buttons and it's not possible to resize them.


This is not really a "bug" per se - more of a deficiency, and a known one. There's an entire (very long) thread discussing this if you'd like to join in: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=344471

illiad Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:12:02 PM


Originally posted by ayespy:

Regardless, ALL other browsers (including 9.6, now - tho it had similar problems early in its development) handle the site without incident - so it is possible to do so.

up

illiad Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:15:07 PM

lucideer; that thread has become far too much 'design expert' (mostly apple & linux MDI people) - all I want are the basics...

Raistlin Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:43:41 PM

Hi,

in Opera 10.1: if I enter ie. "opera,com", Opera changes it to "opera.com". Opera 10.5 doesn't do it anymore.

Danieledarklink88 Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:28:13 PM

The cocoa version of opera is great, but i think that the current position of the tabs is wasting some space...in my opion the best solution for tabs was the one of safari 4 beta...

http://files.myopera.com/darklink88/files/Senza%20titolo.pdf

Daniel HendrycksDanielHendrycks Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:31:02 PM

Hi, I went hunting (in the desktop team blog comments) for a bug I filed a few months ago.

Here it is: bug DSK-260199

If you don't remember, it makes the the menu button an on-and-off switch rather than an on-and-on switch. This bugs importance is increased because the menu button is in the default set-up.

KerenSkyy Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:34:41 PM

I just hope that when it comes the UNIX version has better fonts smile , esp. in the menu. smile

Daniel HendrycksDanielHendrycks Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:39:27 PM

Originally posted by Daniele Pellegrini:

but i think that the current position of the tabs is wasting some space


+1 for mac tab changes, maybe a wish-list thread or a beta forum thread.

lipuringas Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:13:09 PM

really cool! wink

Wernererror-at Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:18:23 PM

MyOpera team, please fix this!fearphage Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:11:13 PM

Originally posted by EricJH:

Originally posted by mjpa:

To those wanting Opera to jump to an anchor specified in the URL as soon as the text of the page is loaded, what happens when the anchor is after a large image? That's right, it'll push the text down and so the scroll position will be in the wrong place. Anchors have to be done when the whole page is rendered otherwise you can't get the scroll position correct

Also, some forums resize images to ensure they're not too big (and break the forum layout) and that is done when the images are loaded so you can't even jump to the anchor when the images before the anchor have loaded as they could be resized with javascript.

Why can't it be done asynchronously when even these asynchronous Javascript processing is possilbe? For the most time the offending images are not in the viewing area. So, do the stuff in the background so I can start reading.

I filed this bug in 2008 (Bug #362738). Another effect of this regression was that stopping a page from loading never jumps to the #anchor.

leolchat Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:41:25 PM

Originally posted by mgillespie:

Mark Gillespie 20. January 2010, 15:44

Originally posted by leolchat:

All the 10.5xxxxxx version crash at opening. snow leopard on macbook pro here..... anything to solve this ? and the bug report can't even be sent

Disable IPV6? As per the known issues?

Thanks a lot. Saved me.

Net Surfer 2.0netsurfer20 Monday, January 25, 2010 7:43:29 AM

could care less about 10.5 since they aren't supporting PPC users, what a crock.

Ruarí Ødegaardruario Monday, January 25, 2010 8:24:21 AM

Originally posted by netsurfer20:

aren't supporting PPC users



You forgot to add 'yet'.

Martin KadlecBS-Harou Monday, January 25, 2010 11:44:59 AM

Originally posted by ruario:

You forgot to add 'yet'.



bigeyes bigeyes

tapazukk Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:10:46 PM

Originally posted by dom0410:

Some of the time it does not work at all and the way that it does a web search when you press enter instead of taking you to the next matching word in the page is counter-intuitive. If I want to do a web search I'll use the search box by the address bar, not press ctrl+f..



+1 This is very annoying (blocker bug)

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