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Windows Beta Released and More!

By Adam Minchintonminch. Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:20:00 AM

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Desktop is proud to announce that Opera 10.5 for Windows is now in Beta! party

Head on over to the Next Browser page to download a copy for yourself
http://www.opera.com/browser/next/

Note: Geolocation is disabled in the public Beta until we iron out the last details with our location provider. You can still test it and provide feedback from the snapshots.

This build is a new build, different from the Windows Beta RC so make sure you download it smile

Mac and UNIX Alpha

Don't worry Mac and UNIX fans we haven't forgotten about you with all the Windows work going on. We too have been working hard improving your favourite platform. So much so that these platforms are now well into their Alpha stages, and we are working hard to get to Beta as soon as possible.

Known Issues

Mac
  • No video support
  • Drag and drop support is less complete that in Peregrine
  • Quicktime plugin mouse events do not work as expected
  • Silverlight plugin does not work
  • Printing of forms and frames does not work
  • No Java support
  • Window behaviour is not correct for some pop-up windows
  • Flash is often painted in the wrong position

UNIX
  • Font support is less complete than in Peregrine
  • No drag and drop support
  • No printing support
  • No KDE integration
  • System colors are not retrieved from UI toolkit
  • Open/Save dialogs not available if neither KDE nor GTK is installed
  • Flash is often painted in the wrong position


WARNING: This is a development snapshot: it contains the latest changes, but may also have severe known issues, including crashes and data loss situations. In fact, it may not work at all.

Downloads

Changelog

User Interface
  • Fixed DSK-273795 (RSS feeds preview does not work)
  • Fixed DSK-279091 (Link crashes in latest snapshot)
  • Fixed DSK-279018 (Bottom part of characters cut off in addressfield)
  • Fixed DSK-273374 (Separate skin state for unread tabs and notifications)
  • Fixed DSK-273373 (Combined back + forward button)
  • Fixed DSK-278500 (Tweaks to the O menu)
  • Fixed DSK-276712 ('Create search' icon on menu only appears in 'opera:config' )
  • Fixed DSK-279015 (Internal opera.css stylesheet missing from builds)
  • Fixed DSK-279366 (Toggling menu while using specific skin crashes opera)
  • Fixed DSK-279647 (Crash in appearance dialog)
  • Fixed DSK-273618 (Blocked popup notification is not displayed)
  • Fixed DSK-278885 (bookmarks show up as history in addressfield dropdown)

Core
  • Minor upgrade to Core and Carakan: fixing various rendering bugs and crashes

Mail
  • Fixed DSK-277488 (Mails lost on imap when deleting draft reply)

Unite
  • Tweaks to Pre-installed Unite Applications
  • Fixed DSK-279021 (Unable to install Unite applications)

Widgets
  • DSK-279044 (Widget Edit Field Context Menu crashes application after Spellcheck has been enabled)
  • DSK-276066 (Files are not removed if installation fails)
  • DSK-277335 (Password manager does not work)
  • DSK-277782 (Context Menu missing for Images and Links in Widgets)
  • DSK-277450 (widget control buttons don't change their position if changing widget size by script (not a zoom issue) )
  • DSK-276622 (Zooming widgets displays scrollbars)
  • DSK-279010 (Scrollbars do not appear for widgets in application mode)
  • DSK-176615 (Downloading widget fails if it's already in transfers list)

Mac
  • Keyboard and Opera Widgets fixes
  • Apple Events are back
  • Growl support fixed

Beta RC2No rest for the wicked

Comments

leo851 Friday, February 12, 2010 11:37:59 AM

gmx.com doesn't work for me, I can't login.
A java based share dealing platform from etrade.com doesn't show.
Zoom always shows 100%
Had a few graphic glitches between the panel and the browser window when I first opened it but has been fine for a while now...
With my previous skin a lot of text wasn't showing in the menus.
I choose to "hide" my windows toolbar, and it doesn't reappear when opera is my primary program

This is the first time I've upgraded from 10.10 and I love the text search, the increased browser real-estate, the speed... congratulations!

Suggestion: in full screen mode take the mouse to the top of the screen to reveal tabs (present in ie8)
(win7 x64)

TA5K Friday, February 12, 2010 12:02:36 PM

There are some grafix errors since some snapshots: http://o2online.de/nw/handys/handys.html Could someone confirm?

http://250kb.de/u/100212/p/TlgY5mxN2Aql.PNG -

illiad Friday, February 12, 2010 12:08:43 PM

Originally posted by samMD:

I agree it is fastest an know it is but can someone explain to me why it still doesn't buffer videos as fast as it should rather so slow I have to keep pausing it every so often for a duration of time. I start FF 3.6 and it buffers the video extremely fast.
what gives?

well first I would say have you set the 'connections' in 'tools, prefs, adv, network' to a good hig value...

and next I just compared youtube in opera VS FF 3.6 - the vid in opera is very smooth, while in FF it is very 'stop-motion'!!

So what do you prefer, jerky video in FF, or good video in Opera?? (just click pause..)
I find that youtube actually limit their speed, to stop overloading the network... and mostly the youtube 'progressbar' is constructed by javascript, and has no real connection to the loading... and I am sure ther are som 'browser detection' issues as well... smile


ceced Friday, February 12, 2010 12:10:56 PM

opera:config#UserPrefs|AlternativePageCycleMode 0 or 2 is buggy when using mouse wheel up. It's impossible to click on visited tabs. Only Mouse wheel down works. Graphical bug too: Image hosted by uppix.net
(Win 7 x64)

yihtangyihtang0711 Friday, February 12, 2010 12:13:06 PM

Problem with RSS. I feed to this post COMMENTS and it should be around 200 new messages show up, but RSS only shows the last 20 messages. Please confirm and fix.

Win7 Prof 32bit.

yihtangyihtang0711 Friday, February 12, 2010 12:16:11 PM

Originally posted by TA5K:

There are some grafix errors since some snapshots: http://o2online.de/nw/handys/handys.html Could someone confirm?



Not confirm, looks well here. Win 7 Prof 32bit.

Till Kolditzlolmegafroi Friday, February 12, 2010 12:19:59 PM

nice work!

but printing preview does not work correctly! (I always updated and did no fresh install, maybe solution to the issue?)
In the print preview I cannot completely scroll to the bottom!

IgorIgorOO7 Friday, February 12, 2010 12:26:26 PM

I can't login on facebook with this version, it's keep asking for password, old version working without problems...

jeroo Friday, February 12, 2010 12:39:48 PM

I want to tell you that Opera 10.50 is utterly fantasic but that such a superlative does not do it full justice! If it continues to get any better then I might start crying ... bigsmile

yihtangyihtang0711 Friday, February 12, 2010 12:52:14 PM

Opera download issue (no advanced option):

click on any file being download/ downloaded
right click the file, choose advanced.
why nothing appear?

Z1-AV69 Friday, February 12, 2010 12:55:55 PM

Originally posted by TA5K:

There are some grafix errors since some snapshots: http://o2online.de/nw/handys/handys.html Could someone confirm?

This looks very much like the plugins-issue with fully transparent skins.

BenjaminBenjiz Friday, February 12, 2010 1:01:05 PM

Originally posted by IgorOO7:

I can't login on facebook with this version, it's keep asking for password, old version working without problems...



Try clearing private data.

For those who want to use Google Wave, you could try that : http://my.opera.com/sitepatching/blog/2010/02/05/ready-to-wave

I'm not a gwave user, so I don't know what this tweaking will result in.

TA5K Friday, February 12, 2010 1:17:16 PM

Originally posted by Z1-AV69:

Originally posted by TA5K:

There are some grafix errors since some snapshots: http://o2online.de/nw/handys/handys.html Could someone confirm?

This looks very much like the plugins-issue with fully transparent skins.

Oh yes, you are right. I see my desktop through the letters. The darker the background the lesser I see this effect.
http://250kb.de/u/100212/p/uFh16uQQmmAw.PNG -
But is it a bug? I think the transparent background has to add within the fonts anti-aliased algorithm. But I fear this could be a performance issue. I prefer this calculation as optional setting. - In my mind is: "What to do if the user moves the browser window?
Or is this effect just the smoke effect of fonts?
http://250kb.de/u/100212/p/33Ku9kmAuQFu.PNG -
How do I set this smoke effect "off" in skins.ini ?

TA5K Friday, February 12, 2010 1:35:31 PM

Stress testing Opera Mail steels the browser performance. I can't write anything without being interrupted every 5 letters pirate

http://250kb.de/u/100212/p/EtE73P2OuGMg.PNG -

Opera Mail need to use an independent task for down- and uploading mails. And deleting thousands of mails stops my work with Opera completely chef

http://250kb.de/u/100212/p/up4GQJAWnuYI.PNG -

Why not use a client-/server model between Opera and Operas tray icon?!.
Btw: I love Operas Spam filter flirt
(I'm using a Core2Duo)

Petr Kecinzer Řezníčekkecinzer Friday, February 12, 2010 1:49:43 PM

I hope, that bug with rearanging favicons in personal bar not will be there so long as "desapering favicons in personal bar" sad.

Kavinkavinv Friday, February 12, 2010 1:49:43 PM

I cannot forward mail using hotmail.
Problem:
Mail content is not displayed.Text area is blank.
This is very annoying.Hope Opera retifies this in the next release.

Zdeněk HatákManqCZ Friday, February 12, 2010 1:54:21 PM

I´m too tired to read all these comments but site http://mapy.cz is still not working correctly.

TA5K Friday, February 12, 2010 1:55:20 PM

Originally posted by ManqCZ:

I´m too tired to read all these comments but site http://mapy.cz is still not working correctly.

Have a nice sleep zzz

Petr Kecinzer Řezníčekkecinzer Friday, February 12, 2010 1:59:05 PM

And there is back on bug with iframes - sometimes I can't control about elements of iframe.

Zdeněk HatákManqCZ Friday, February 12, 2010 2:01:51 PM

Originally posted by TA5K:

Have a nice sleep :zzz:



Thank you smile. I don´t know whether someone already mentioned that http://mapy.cz is not working or not smile

berend ytsmaytsmabeer Friday, February 12, 2010 2:10:15 PM

Originally posted by aguxa:

Please see video bug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtf1_WLnLG0

please activate annotations!



thanks



No problems here on win7 64bit

Amin NourmohammadiAmin007110 Friday, February 12, 2010 2:25:31 PM

Persian (Farsi) typing still have problem in Opera for Unix.
More details here: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=288412&page=2#comment4188941

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=288412

pepejeria Friday, February 12, 2010 2:35:27 PM

Don't know if this has been mentioned, but selecting text is kind of weird in 10.5 beta on Windows 7.

The context menu appears when double clicking a word, which makes it a bit tricky to select a paragraph.

You triple click and will see the context menu flicker. The triple click will also fail sometimes and only select one word.

Would be great if this could be addressed.

Thanks for a very nice release.

Z1-AV69 Friday, February 12, 2010 2:41:38 PM

Originally posted by TA5K:

But is it a bug? I think the transparent background has to add within the fonts anti-aliased algorithm. But I fear this could be a performance issue. I prefer this calculation as optional setting. - In my mind is: "What to do if the user moves the browser window?

in my humble opinion as a non-programmer, plugins assume a black background that would be there without the full transparency setting. So I imagine the best fix would be to give plugins their own black background.

Originally posted by TA5K:

Or is this effect just the smoke effect of fonts?
How do I set this smoke effect "off" in skins.ini ?

This is getting off-topic here, but the glow effect seems to appear whenever a text is on a transparent background. The only way to avoid it is to define a background image that is not fully transparent. 2% alpha should be enough.

Zdeněk HatákManqCZ Friday, February 12, 2010 2:46:36 PM

Originally posted by pepejeria:

The context menu appears when double clicking a word, which makes it a bit tricky to select a paragraph.



You triple click and will see the context menu flicker. The triple click will also fail sometimes and only select one word.



Try click four times - it selects a paragraph but I confirm it is a little bit tricky.

nimarpro Friday, February 12, 2010 3:13:36 PM

I also submit the error that Saulo Benigno said, but still nothing! sad
I found very useful click the notification on the bottom right to open the file i just download, but not working fine, just popups the open session dialog :-S

Erunno Friday, February 12, 2010 3:36:59 PM

Opera 10.50's implementation of tabs on top has a usability flaw in my opinion: When the browser windows is maximized the tabs do *not* touch the upper border of the screen, thus forcing the user to move the mouse pointer a few pixels down in order to select a tab. I feel that this is unnecessarily cumbersome and leaves out one of the better ideas Google's Chrome invented UI-wise.

Purdi Friday, February 12, 2010 3:37:39 PM

Originally posted by illiad:

and the new VEGA graphics engine needs a LOT of work


Says who? In what way?

What complete and utter nonsense. You don't know what you are talking about.

Purdi Friday, February 12, 2010 3:38:53 PM

Originally posted by hellspork:

Please TRUST your own repositories. We should not see a "Potentially unsafe file" message in the download dialog for files coming direct from Opera.


What on earth are you talking about?

Whatever gave you the completely insane idea that they don't trust their own repositories? Based on a BETA version??

Martin LarssonNeXur Friday, February 12, 2010 3:48:56 PM

Any chance we will be able to test out WebGL via on/off switch in opera:config in a future snapshot?

techlawsam Friday, February 12, 2010 4:00:52 PM

words are "blurry, hazy, and glowing" in opera 10.5 beta on youtube site. This is mainly to the full transparent issues in the "Z1-Glass" theme, which I guess needs a fix from Opera. DSK-277964

words hazy on utube opera 10.5 beta.PNG

z1 glass theme is affected by slideshow background 2.PNG

z1 glass theme is affected by slideshow background.PNG

OlegSkor Friday, February 12, 2010 4:04:38 PM

Hello everyone,

What I want to propose for mac users.

As Mac Os has native pdf support I wonder Can you make such a function in Opera in line pdf support? Firefox has plug in for this and Safari of course. It is very hard to use Opera compare to Safari when you look through big amount pdf files. Opera is not competitor to Safari here. I had to switch to Safari because I look through a lot of pdf every day.

Opera 10.50 is alpha now. So i hope you have enough time to include this option for Mac users, I think we all appreciate it a lot. Opera will have the same usability as Safari or Firefox.

Thank you very much for your work desktop team.

Regards.

EricJH Friday, February 12, 2010 4:17:30 PM

Originally posted by Erunno:

Opera 10.50's implementation of tabs on top has a usability flaw in my opinion: When the browser windows is maximized the tabs do *not* touch the upper border of the screen, thus forcing the user to move the mouse pointer a few pixels down in order to select a tab. I feel that this is unnecessarily cumbersome and leaves out one of the better ideas Google's Chrome invented UI-wise.

These few pixels are meant for Windows 7. So people with Win 7 can drag and snap Opera to maximize it.

Zotlan Friday, February 12, 2010 4:19:05 PM

Originally posted by EricJH:

These few pixels are meant for Windows 7. So people with Win 7 can drag and snap Opera to maximize it.


And both Win 7 and Vista users can double click on those pixels to restore the window to a smaller size. In short, it is not a flaw, they just made a different choice. The right choice IMO.

Jirayu YingthawornsukMrWhisper Friday, February 12, 2010 4:19:25 PM

Originally posted by patzebx:

i can't login to facebook :frown: i already had this problem with the alphas ... no problem with opera 10.1 and/or other browsers ... i've checked the password a few times, no spelling mistakes ... cookies are allowed ... anyone else having tthis kind of problem?



Does Facebook say "You have to login to see this page" (or something like this) ?

Clear your cookies.

Originally posted by IgorOO7:

I can't login on facebook with this version, it's keep asking for password, old version working without problems...



clear your cookies.

Jirayu YingthawornsukMrWhisper Friday, February 12, 2010 4:21:13 PM

Originally posted by mgillespie:

Anyone using the Twitter widget as an application? None of the URL links work. Anyone confirm?

Tried both the regular one, and the 10.20 Alpha one. Totally destroys it's usefulness :-(

http://i45.tinypic.com/24nr9td.png



for this version I cant login to twitter

and normal version, link don't work

Ineluki Friday, February 12, 2010 4:21:16 PM

I use the 'hidden' function for the taskbar and with the new Opera I can't access it anymore with the mouse. (Win7x64)
Normally you see a glimpse at the bottom but not if Opera is active. Only way to access it is through the windows key.

Another annoying thing. Why in Shodans name doesn't Opera show the last active tab I used before minimizing if I click on it in the taskbar.
Now I need 2 clicks and often have to search for the right tab, far from an improvement.

Zotlan Friday, February 12, 2010 4:22:43 PM

Originally posted by Ineluki:

Normally you see a glimpse at the bottom but not if Opera is active. Only way to access it is through the windows key.


A known issue AFAIK

das4cker Friday, February 12, 2010 4:33:13 PM

This bug appears when you close the tab and after that undo it with ctrl+z:

KawaKyoufuKawa Friday, February 12, 2010 5:01:11 PM

Here's something I found on my own site, http://helmet.kafuka.org: in the "buttons!" panel, stuff disappears when hovering over the items in the left column. These image links have opacity when not being pointed at and a border. This also happens when navigating by keyboard (shift + arrow keys).

Also, there's a sometimes-bug when double clicking the tab separator - it sometimes leaves the tabs and New Tab button visually unresponsive. Hovering over them does not light them up and the mouse cursor is the horizontal split used by the bar edge. However, clicking the tabs or New Tab button does work.

Other than that, great work. up

Hugo Del Castillohcastill Friday, February 12, 2010 5:07:16 PM

I know its been asked before, but would you consider adding the Private Tab option on the Site Specif Preferences.

That way, every time u visit that one site, Private is turned on automatically for that site. idea idea

blangbl4nG Friday, February 12, 2010 5:08:54 PM

I don't know if anyone has posted this skin issue before but I'll do it anyway..
If you add shortcuts next to the address bar then with..
1)..Mac skin it looks like this http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3236/macskin.png
2)..other skin it looks like this http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8764/skin2o.png

Also i couldn't browse the files on imageshack.us with 10.5 right

Erunno Friday, February 12, 2010 5:14:54 PM

Originally posted by EricJH:

These few pixels are meant for Windows 7. So people with Win 7 can drag and snap Opera to maximize it.



Yes, and the area makes perfect sense in a non-maximized state for the use case you described. It is obstructive though when the window is already maximized as it makes it harder to select tabs (see also the much-cited Fitt's Law).

Erunno Friday, February 12, 2010 5:19:01 PM

Originally posted by Zotlan:

And both Win 7 and Vista users can double click on those pixels to restore the window to a smaller size. In short, it is not a flaw, they just made a different choice. The right choice IMO.



I disagree as this is an optimization for the uncommon case (changing between maximzed/non-maximized state) at the expense of the common case (selecting tabs). Chrome makes it trivially easy to select tabs when the window is maximized as it only requires horizontal aiming. Opera simply missed one of the major usability improvements for mouse users when using tabs on top.

illidanenuazeal Friday, February 12, 2010 5:27:07 PM

big .png pictures doesn't load smoothly (like before). now it loads about an inch of picture and then stops (picture is still loading but it is not visible). when the picture is loaded than just pops out whole picture.

mjoshea148 Friday, February 12, 2010 5:35:05 PM

Windows 7 32 bit, professional - jump list not working - only 2 options present on right click.

EricJH Friday, February 12, 2010 5:36:14 PM

Originally posted by Erunno:

Yes, and the area makes perfect sense in a non-maximized state for the use case you described. It is obstructive though when the window is already maximized as it makes it harder to select tabs (see also the much-cited Fitt's Law).

In WIn7 it is still needed in case you want to snap and unmaximize (if that word exists...wink )the window.

I guess it is the compromise between the Win 7 functionality and Fitt's law.

nicolaschevreux Friday, February 12, 2010 5:48:33 PM

Can somebody explain to me why the behavior of the "find in pages" (Ctrl + F and ".") have changed?

I used to search for some text in a web page by clicking CTRL + F, entering the word I am looking for, and pressing enter. Now, this just searches for this word in Google.

So:
1. instead of pressing enter, I have to move the mouse all the way till the small arrow
2. even if Google is not my default search engine, this CTRL+F always land on the big G's page
3. same thing with the "." shortcut. Has "search as you type" been flushed down the drain?

Anyway, is this a bug, or am I just totally inadapted to a new functionality?

PraetorianX Friday, February 12, 2010 6:11:39 PM

Originally posted by nicolaschevreux:

So:

1. instead of pressing enter, I have to move the mouse all the way till the small arrow

2. even if Google is not my default search engine, this CTRL+F always land on the big G's page

3. same thing with the "." shortcut. Has "search as you type" been flushed down the drain?



Anyway, is this a bug, or am I just totally inadapted to a new functionality?


For me this works as expected. Clean installation of Opera 10.5 beta (though I never had the problem you mention even with previous builds of 10.5 alpha, that I tested).

The "search as you type" is even enhanced compared to Opera 10.10.
It works with either "." or Ctrl+F, you get a bar below the address bar where you type the key word(s) and the screen is darkened highlighting those words. It's really cool!

castalla Friday, February 12, 2010 6:14:42 PM

Please exorcise the GHOST page!!!!

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