Originally posted by Khadgar:

Originally posted by apa240:

Gmail still crashes for me.

Confirmed. Just did for me, too. I'm not getting the weird coloring problem or the Quick Prefs problem. Weird.

I'm also having problems with Gmail.

Mac OS X 10.6.3

Wow. Easily most stable build yet.

When clicking the green plus window button with only one window open, the window disappears. Not closes, but hides itself somewhere that I can't find, the window menu still shows that it exists.
Edit: Hm, this doesn't seem to happen consistently either now, I just don't know.


Also, the same weird coloring on the bookmark icons I get on the hand when I hover over a link. I don't know how to reproduce this yet, but clean install fixes the mouse pointer for some time.

Mac OS X 10.5.8 PPC

By the way, I don't know where to report this:
The startup page text needs to be corrected for the Mac.

BUG: mouse "rocker" gestures (i.e.L+R or R+L button-only gestures for fwd/back) pop up the right-click context menu on release of the right mouse button. Does not happen in 10.1, but all 10.5 variants I've tried have this.

BUG: emacs keybindings have double action in text areas. ctrl-f goes forward two characters rather than one, ctrl-b goes back two, ctrl-p goes up two lines, ctrl-n goes down two, ctrl-d deletes two characters, ctrl-k deletes two lines....

I have tried reporting these bugs on the bug tracker and on the opera.mac newsgroup as well.

OSX 10.6.3 Intel

Maybe I never noticed this before - but it also might be a BUG...

Mousegestures and switching Tabs (via rightclick+mousewheel) won't work on pages that are really just images (tiff's in this case).

You can try with this comment posted here: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/10185112#comment24831552

(10.6.3 Intel/8333)

Thanks so lot for this great work and for supporting PPC!!

Joe
PPC-Fan (Power Mac G4 1ghz)

I observe the following problems when there are no open Opera windows:

* cmd+t opens a new window with *two* tabs (expected: one tab)
* F2 does not work: It does nothing
* shift+F2 does not work: It also does nothing

I expect F2 and shift+F2 to work by popping up the dialog and then creating a new window with the desired page open, unless the dialog is cancelled.

Originally posted by persianweblog:

F2 does not work: It does nothing

* shift+F2 does not work: It also does nothing

On my macbook they do something....did you remember to press fn along with F2 or F2 + Shift?

Originally posted by Daniele:

On my macbook they do something....did you remember to press fn along with F2 or F2 + Shift?

F2 and shift+F2 work as expected when a window is already there. I only see problems when there are no open Opera windows (as I said). Did you test with no open Opera windows?

Originally posted by danaleks:

For those of you seeing the PPC gmail crash: What exactly are you doing on gmail when it crashes? What gmail features are you using? Anything based in Flash? (Video, chat, bells and whistles, …)

I can make it crash by simply logging in and viewing my inbox. Not consistent, but would it help if I emailed you a crashlog the next time it occurs?

Make a shortcut to a page by dragging the tab out and then try to open it by dragging it back. I opens the link as XML instead of opening the page.

Originally posted by b0kaj:

PPC seems to cause a lot of problems for you. I think it is reasonable to drop support for it in the next release ("version 11"). Any plans for this? Any comments in general?

People shouldn't force users to suffer from the whim of Apple. If it had continued to use the PPC architecture, this problem wouldn't have occurred. My PowerBook G4 is just four years old and still works perfectly. It's one of the best laptops in history (in my opinion).

Please think about it. It's just four years old. A month ago, I replaced its battery at a small local Apple store; Replacement batteries were still in stock. My desktop PC is six to seven years old and runs Linux. It still gets the latest version of Opera. (I guess a six-year-old Windows XP machine would still get the latest version of Opera, right?)

So, I would say that six to seven years is a reasonable span of support.

Ryo

I'm still experiencing random crashes and beach-balling, yet less frequently now compared to earlier builds.

Let's hope these few bugs will be ironed out before the final is released—I can live with some minor inconsistencies in the GUI, but crashes really disrupts my work-flow.

(Yes, I'm submitting those crash logs.)

Originally posted by Hein Tore Tønnesen:

I can live with some minor inconsistencies in the GUI

Could you list some of those inconsistencies?

I notice some refresh problems with gui in preference search pane when scrolling. Go to search pane, scroll down and/or back up and you'll see. Can anyone else confirm? [10.6.3]

Also, here is screenshot:

Issues I faced.

1. I had this screen corruption when I resized the tab bar on a yahoo groups page. Closing the tab fixes it.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4041/4526691211_740c12c721_b.jpg

2. On a yahoo mail page when deleting a folder the confirmation dialog was in the back of the advertisement picture.

Hi - is there any option or way to disable smooth scrolling? It's very hard to navigate as the scrolling is jerky and too fast.

beach ball

DSK-294669

macbook pro laptop
1. 9.2 keyboard s'cuts
2. google search for "hello"
3. cmd-j links
4. search for "cached"
4. fn shift - left up right x2

beach ball

OK in 10.20
1.
links are highlighted

2.
beach ball

Whoohoo! A PPC build that stays up more than 5 minutes! Great job, guys!

Scrolling is still ugly, though...

Originally posted by b0kaj:

Yes, you are probably right, it might be a little early to retire support for PPC.

The IBM POWER architecture is one of the 3 viable CPU architectures left after the big shakeout. Alpha, PA-RISC are gone, MIPS barely exists, SPARC is marginalized; x86 is the big winner (& x86-64, if you want to count them as 2); POWER/PPC and ARM are the other two still in the race.

POWER derivatives are used in Wii, Sony PS3, XBOX360, several newer portable and embedded systems. It makes sense, for the moment, for Opera to continue POWER-related development. The large number of PPC Macs out there act as both an incentive and a dandy testbed for stuff like Carakan Javascript native JIT improvements.

ARM, of course, is used all over the place. Just about everything mobile is some sort of ARM derivative. So are most intelligent "appliance" boxes like routers and intrusion detectors. With so much of Opera's business on mobile, I imagine they are working on an ARM-native Carakan JIT port. (Maybe they already shipped such a thing ... my only mobile device is so old it's lucky to have a bitmapped screen.)

Anyway, it's quite premature to retire POWER/PPC. I imagine us free desktop users will put up with a lot more crashy chaos than a commercial customer like Nintendo. We get to test the bleeding edge stuff and then Opera gets to eventually sell it to stodgy.corporation.com.

Does anyone else have this problem?

Click F2 and then click the drop down menu for previously typed addresses. Non of them work.

another thing... before release the final biuld, exept the Ui refinements, is it possible to speed up the cold start of Opera? On my Macbook a cold start takes a long time from 5 to 10 seconds and i do not have the option "open last session on startup", opera has to load only the speed dial

I also had crash while using Gmail - crash report was hopefully send. (At least gmail tab was active). I have OS X 10.6.3 and older intel Mac mini. (upgraded from 10.4.x). Now I switched Gmail to basic HMTL view and no crashes yet...
But anyway keep up the good work. Seems very usable compared to earlier snapshot.

Congrats! Looks very nice, buuuuut...

- it lags considerably while e.g. writing an e-mail in the GMail web client

- it's an EXTREME memory hog (right now, Opera uses 900+ MB for a dozen of open tabs; even an empty session with all data freshly deleted takes more than 100 MB)

- same with the CPU: Opera constantly takes around 15% of my CPU processing capacities, which is FAR beyond the acceptable

- And I had hoped that popup windows would finally be integrated as tabs in the same window (like Opera handles it under Windows), but no luck here :-/

Two steps forward from 10.00, but one step backward, IMO...

(10.6.3 on an 2008 Intel iMac)

@ Hans Bendiksen:

Same here.

still not fixed:
- flash videos (example: http://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/evropa/197795-erupce-islandske-sopky-muze-trvat-i-radu-let.html)
- gesture right-click + down above inactive Opera window opens new tab, but does not bring focus to Opera window + address bar
- no visual feedback when repeating search on new page and searched string not found
- hovering over links - 'alt text' with URL which link points to, is missing completely
- javascript dialogs in internet banking of www.rb.cz are visually broken (weird color rendering): for details see http://www.q3.cz/images/12Screen_shot_2010_04_14.png (includes pretty much all the info to reproduce ;-) Font is not cut anymore, I was just lazy to take another screenshot :-) 1 - enter random number in the upper field, 2 - Click Autentizacni kod, 3 - enjoy the broken dialog
- command-shift-v not working (defined correctly in preferences). regression.
- resizing icons to say 80% breaks search bar appearance: http://www.q3.cz/images/96Screen_shot_2010_04_13.png
- speed dial, when pointing directly to image (not a page), does not display image's thumbnail. regression.
- javascript broken on http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/04/16/evenes-mac-final-rc?startidx=50#comments :-) click the smilie next to 'Disable smilies' to get list of smilies. click any smilie - 1) the dialog does not disappear like it used to, 2) the smilies text is added at the end of the text instead of current position

That's it from me now :-) Please fix first 4 before releasing final + paste-n-go shortcut. Pretty please?

EDIT: oh yes, read the comments further on: please fix this one before final: save password bar should also contain Not now. The way I use it is 'guess' my password on some weirdo, not-so-often used site - then let Opera load page in the background. If it's OK, I let it save. If not, I click Not now and take another guess. So please fix this + first 4 + paste-n-go shortcut (which worked in yesterday's builds IIRC).

Originally posted by DanielHendrycks:

Could you list some of those inconsistencies?

Sure!

(I just typed a really long reply, but then Opera crashed whilst I was in Photoshop composing this image that compares font sizes in Safari and Opera. Is it supposed to be like this? Can you fix it? Can I fix it myself? What about the crashes? )

One thing that has always bugged me is that the loading indicator that pops up when signing into Opera Link is stretched. No big deal, but it should also be an easy fix.

Other than that I'm no big fan of the square buttons in the Save Password dialogue, and the checkboxes and other elements are too close to eachother as well (this also applies to the Find dialogue).

On a different note the crash page tells you to "Choose Help > Check for Updates" to ensure you're using the latest version. The this has now been moved to the Opera menu.

Using the down-left mouse gesture on the speeddial page to close it triggers the context menu which the user has to click away with a left click or [esc] before the gesture is actually executed and the speeddial page closes.

OS X 10.6.3, Macbook (2008).

Also, the translucent black background on the alt+tab cycler makes the text hard to read unless the current page has a solid color and no text/images where the cycler appears.

Originally posted by b0kaj:

PPC seems to cause a lot of problems for you. I think it is reasonable to drop support for it in the next release ("version 11")

Apologies but what are you talking about? Besides Snow Leopard which would have zero advantage over Leopard, even Apple supports PowerPC.

Opera's "magic" is plain, massively multiplatform C code which will work on any 32bit platform. They owe their success to it and we are talking about a company which could support Windows 98 (from 1998!) to this day.

PowerPC may be dropped by Apple but it is now even a bigger deal on Devices which is one of the main income sources of Opera company. They don't employ amateurs who can only code x86 specific code. Carakan is big deal not because it is another JIT Javascript compiler, it is big deal because it can work/compile on _ALL_ CPUs, probably ARM too. By supporting PowerPC, not just supporting users, they also guarantee there is no CPU specific code. It was used as a tactic by Microsoft in their good old NT days, the NT was actually built and tested on i860 RISC CPU, not X86.

I guess you were fooled by Apple's claims showing everything is easy like clicking some XCode magic buttons. Moving an established, complex application from Carbon to Cocoa is _big deal_. For example, Adobe still couldn't manage to do it (that is why no 64bit CS5 on OS X). Otherwise, I believe if PPC was causing the issues stopping the release, they could openly say "Sorry PPC guys, you should wait couple of months and test some snapshots" and release Intel only final. Not like they didn't do such thing, Win32 release (for ballot reasons) is way more stable today.

People won't throw out a working computer especially if all they do is a little browsing, mailing, office work. I personally know a 500 Mini G4 installations in one single company. Why should they "upgrade" the working, supported platform? Because some trendy coders who can't code plain C abandoned them? Because Microsoft or Google giants can't release non x86 code? I don't think so.

The 'double-click on text' context menu is hard to hide. Just clicking somewhere on the page makes it disappear for a moment, but then it appears again.

When using the Opera Standard skin, there's a design glitch in the transfer window, between the info about your download and the status bar. I believe this is because the Mac-skin has a slightly thicker status bar.

I think there's a issue with reopening closed tabs.
The menu entry always works, but the default shortcut, Cmd+Shift+T, sometimes doesn't, just opening a new tab instead.

It appears that the shortcut only begins to work after the first time you use the menu.

Sorry, can't be much more specific


Also, in Preferences > Advanced > Downloads there is a visual glitch in the "quick find" text entry.

Originally posted by Rakien:

An alright built, scrolling still sucks. Can we just have native scrolling? Not all this momentum crap or custom stuff? Seriously, it's slightly annoying to get used to.

Are you talking about Smooth Scrolling?
You can disable it in opera:config#UserPrefs|SmoothScrolling.

There is a couple of issues with the mouse pointer...

First off is a cosmetic issue where the arrow turns into a hand on link hover. It is missing shadow and gradients.

Secondly the arrow does not turn into the hand icon every time when hover over or passing over a text link.

And I most admit that scrolling is not as good as in Safari and Chrome. As previously mentioned Opera scrolls increments of 10 pixels while Safari and Chrome can scroll 1 pixel at a time when scrolling slow with the track pad.

Also; the arrow should turn into a text marker when hovering normal text.

Some may say this is nit picking, but the overall feel is important.

CSS3 effects?????

Tumblr example....

and... NICE WORK!!!!!

Should HTML 5 videos work? Because they don't …

Originally posted by Larrix:

* F2 does not work: It does nothing

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one with this issue... I've been complaining about function keys not being operable since the first snapshot, and I've been told that it must come from my machine, although F2 does get me the "Go to..." dialogue on Opera 10.20, as much as F4 does toggle panels and F5 does reload pages... All things that don't work with 10.50.

I may be repeating myself here, but this line of builds has a built-in defect when it comes to keyboard management. Maybe there's something wrong with the .ini files pertaining to keyboards, though I've edited them all (Opera not running, of course) to indeed activate those function keys.

Still not working. Maybe the devs should customize these .ini files for each platform. I don't know, but I'd really like to be able to get my function keys back to work...

Oh, and remember, on MacBooks/MacBook Pros, the fn key, when associated with some function keys, produces OS related actions that are independant from the running apps. For example, on my machine, fn-F2 will increase screen brightness; fn-F1 will decrease it, fn-F3 will turn the speakers off, fn-F4 will lower sound, etc...

Some keyboard shortcuts don't work when "using" Flash content. You have to click outside the Flash element to use them again.

This used to happen quite some time ago, perhaps in 9.5.

There's a flash regression at SW. Only bottom half of flash graphics crapola at the top of the site displays, apparently.
(OSX v10.5.8 & v10.6.3)

This WSJ site consistantly crashes this build:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304180804575188193529710852.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection

Does not crash 10.10 (1833), by the way.

otherwise, very nice, very stable.

Crash report sent...

In the traditional Chinese version, the font everywhere in Opera should be the system's default font, not LiHei Pro. Now it is ugly, especially on pages in simplified Chinese.

Please fix this problem, or Mac users in Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau won't use Opera anymore.

Originally posted by OneCatFamily:

I may be repeating myself here, but this line of builds has a built-in defect when it comes to keyboard management.

No function key problems here...F8/F2 focus to address bar or opens it, and shift+F2 opens nickname mode addr field.

(I have "Use F-keys as standard keys" checkbox ON in OSX Prefs; v10.6.3.)

Okay, this is really weird. When I get an email notification of posts to this blog, the link I click on crashes this build

examples:
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/10185112?cid=24943152#comment24943152

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/10185112?cid=24943152#comment24943152

TUMBLR. problems:

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2797/capturadepantalla201004j.png -

- Search bar
- CSS3 animations

DSK-294119: Paste and Go in a search field opens a new tab instead of reusing the current

1. Copy any text
2. Focus any search field (not inside a page, but the native one)
3. Use the Paste and Go shortcut

EDIT: if you use the standard shortcut (Command+shift+v), it doesnt work at all when the focus is in a native search field. If you use an alternative shortcut, lets say Command+d, it opens in a new page in the background. It should finish the search in the current page.

======================

DSK-293274: Mouse gestures doesnt work in tab toolbar as intended

1. Perform a mouse gesture to open/close a page while pointing to the tab toolbar
2. Dismiss the popup by clicking outside it
3. ----

When releasing the right mouse button to finish the mouse gesture, a popup menu appears. After dismissing the popup, the corresponding gesture command is called.

This is particularly annoying when using the tab bar at the left/right side, because its a lot of space lost to mouse-gesture in.

Nice release, though I've noticed some bugs:

Flat out refuses to copy anything from my notes.

When you go over to search, sometimes, rather then the "Search with X" disappearing, it just moves over to the right side.

Using OS X 10.4.11 Intel.

Also acting extremely sluggish at times, and I've had a few crashes already...

And when using the search function in mail, if I go to read a specific mail, and then delete it, it will go to the next mail in my overall mail list, regardless of if it would have shown up my my search...makes going through and deleting old mail more annoying...

Originally posted by Ken Thomas:

Also acting extremely sluggish at times, and I've had a few crashes already...

Are you sending the reposts? If not, please do

(Do the crashes happen on any specific sites?)

I didn't, I will though.

One crash happened while closing the browser, the other I don't remember what specific site I was on...I always have multiple sites open so...

Originally posted by Ken Thomas:

I didn't, I will though.

Thanks