Great, good job!

I want to try out Ubuntu 10.04 in the next few days and I can test Opera 10.53 Beta for Linux as well

Originally posted by HellbillyDeluxe:

I want to try out Ubuntu 10.04 in the next few days and I can test Opera 10.53 Beta for Linux as well

If you are upgrading, you should watch out for Opera being uninstalled during the Ubuntu upgrade.

Can anyone confirm .deb package size (in the info of the package, not its real size) is 38000000 KB instead of 38000 KB ?

Originally posted by AVL:

Some of you have asked about the mysterious 'Changed EULA' that appeared in the changelog for Unix in the last snapshot. This is part of an effort from Opera to make it easier to distribute Opera in the package repositories of various open source operating systems. Ruari has more information about that on his blog

You can find a copy of the whole license within the Linux/FreeBSD packages or alternatively here. I would encourage you to read the whole thing, though if you are primarily interested in redistribution then perhaps skip to section 2 (ii) first.

Originally posted by ruario:

If you are upgrading, you should watch out for Opera being uninstalled during the Ubuntu upgrade.

Thanks for the tip

Originally posted by pedrogfrancisco:

Can anyone confirm .deb package size (in the info of the package, not its real size) is 38000000 KB instead of 38000 KB ?

Yes this is a packaging bug.

Thanks, running very well here on Lucid x64.

Still it does not work correct with GTK themes. It is a pity.

Originally posted by neuhaus44:

Still it does not work correct with GTK themes. It is a pity.

It works for me. Could you clarify exactly what the problem is. Is it not respecting certain aspects of your theme, if so please state which ones (as we are already aware of some issues).

If you get no themeing at all could you please state your Window Manager/Desktop Environment, along with your distro and distro version.

Still got this bug:

DSK-284289 Color selection doesn't work in preferences

And another one: text color of search engines list in preferences is black on black when using a black background Qt/GTK skin.

Need more work before release.

Originally posted by bohwaz:

Need more work before release.

We know, this is a beta, not a final

P.S. Thanks for the feedback.

Are you considering additional tweaks on KDE? Opera seems fine but feels a little too raw...

It's subjective, can't tell you exactly what's missing, but for starters on Kubuntu 10.04, default theme, I shouldn't be able to see the difference between the toolbar and the titlebar.

And the tabs don't seem KDEish, though I can live with that the same way I lived with Chrome's ones.

Font problems still exist.

When will you fix IME issue? I really need to use SCIM .

Originally posted by pedrogfrancisco:

Are you considering additional tweaks on KDE?

Yes, of course!

We are aware of a number of issues but reporting things your have noticed is very helpful. The best place to do this is (as always) via the bug reporting wizard. If you include an email address in your report we will be able to contact you should we need any clarification. You will also be able to email in screenshots, making it easier for us to see exactly what is wrong.

Originally posted by Tt2uang:

When will you fix IME issue?

It is being worked on right now.

What's the status of fonts on *nix? I no longer see any mention of font issues however they still don't look right.

Originally posted by ruario:

Originally posted by Tt2uang:

When will you fix IME issue?

It is being worked on right now.

Glad to hear this.

Scrolling http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/afghanistan_april_2010.html while page is loading is much more slower in 10.50b1 than in 10.10.

There's also a lot of small bugs in interface, like sometimes when I download a skin, and the confirmation dialog appears (non modal), the buttons only appear if I move the window...

Fonts are unbelievably broken in 10.5x (all pre-alphas, alphas and this beta). Here is a comparison between Firefox and Opera (Firefox on the left shows the correct rendering):

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/408/brokenoperafonts.png
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9819/operapreferencesbroken.png

Please do something about that

The main issues are:
1. Completely broken font rendering in the UI. Font here is Calibri 11pt using Ubuntu defaults (subpixel AA, light hinting) but with embedded bitmaps *disabled* in fontconfig.
2. Forced full hinting when browsing (instead of light hinting as it should be).

I see that 6330 has memory leak on certain pages. My problematic page is

www.realitatea.net

It is a news page loaded with scripts. I blocked the flash ads.
I have Opera open with a few tabs around 120 MB memory usage. I open this site and click some links on it and Opera starts to grow to 400 or more MB (probably goes even more, i always restarted it before). Closing the tab doesnt help (it clears ~5 MB max of memory).
I have disabled memory caching and still i get the same results.

Status of font-rendering: still ugly

Originally posted by Abaddon:

Font problems still exist.

Originally posted by UseLesS:

Status of font-rendering: still ugly

Yes there are still font issues but it would be more helpful if you provided more information about exactly what is wrong on your system. If you log a bug report (and include a contact email address), you will have the the opportunity to email in screenshots to better highlight the issues.

When submitting bugs about fonts it is particularly helpful if you run the following and include the output from the terminal in your bug report:

xrdb -query | grep Xft

We also need to know which distribution they use, since some distributions don't have hinting code at all (due to patent issues), while others have it enabled by default. Hence two users with different distros will see something different even if they have the exact same settings!

Also very useful is if you start Opera with:

opera -debugfont &

and again include the output from the terminal. This lets us know what fonts are on your system, which are preffered and if any where blacklisted.

Submitting good bug reports is the best way to draw attention to issues that you consider to be show stopping.

Thanks first!

Ubuntu Lucid 64
1. anyone know how to use Ibus text input? (Chinese input etc.. i know since 10.5 ctrl+space default for home, I already delete it but still can't change to ibus input.)
2. Download files right click can't use "open folder". (Lucid i386 work fine.)

Originally posted by neuhaus44:

Still it does not work correct with GTK themes. It is a pity.

Useless comment is useless. It is a pity.

Originally posted by Fiddler3791:

The main issues are:

1. Completely broken font rendering in the UI. Font here is Calibri 11pt using Ubuntu defaults (subpixel AA, light hinting) but with embedded bitmaps *disabled* in fontconfig.

2. Forced full hinting when browsing (instead of light hinting as it should be).

As I said to the others with font issues make sure you also log a bug report.

The comments section here is for discussion, not for reporting bugs. The QA and developer teams work primarily with our bug database. We don't always have time to check that every issue mentioned here has a relevant bug entry.

Originally posted by UseLesS:

Status of font-rendering: still ugly

Your username reflects the quality of your bug reports.

Originally posted by arghwashier:

What's the status of fonts on *nix? I no longer see any mention of font issues however they still don't look right.

They are still being worked on. However if you have a particular issue you must log it in a a bug report. See my comments to the others.

Originally posted by ruario:

Yes there are still font issues but it would be more helpful if you provided more information about exactly what is wrong on your system

Please, see this thread for details
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=550641

I've provided enlarged screenshots and some decription there.
Tell me please, if I need to report this issue to some other place.
Thanks.

I have a problem when changing the writing language from English to my native one (Greek). The key combination is Alt-Shift, but whenever i press Alt, the textBox (or lineEdit, it doesn't matter) loses focus and the menu appears (with the focus) just to make me open an unwanted tab like the email or something, as i continue typing believing that the language has changed

PS: This happens because i tend to press the Alt first. If i press Shift before Alt then the problem does not appear.Note that this bug appeared in the latest (1-2) snapshots!

Originally posted by ruario:

The comments section here is for discussion, not for reporting bugs. The QA and developer teams work primarily with our bug database. We don't always have time to check that every issue mentioned here has a relevant bug entry.

Done: DSK-297367 and DSK-297371.

great work guys! but please consider to change the colour of the loading bar in the adress bar and also the color of the downloading bar in order to match the system's style. For example in linux Mint I'd like to have them green. On mac you made them with aqua style so i think this change is already in working...
the menu style and buttons on the contrary look great, the only problem are the white lines dividing the sections of the O (and right click) menus that should be thinner...

Originally posted by ruario:

Could you clarify exactly what the problem is. Is it not respecting certain aspects of your theme, if so please state which ones (as we are already aware of some issues).

One quite "big" problem is that Opera doesn't render the horizontal line found on menus correctly. I mean the line that is for an example between "Administration" and "Help and Support" in System menu. Problem is visible with Ubuntu 10.04 default theme Ambiance.

Opening a bug report for the KDE thingy.

Can someone try, while logged in at Google, to open a "Private Tab" and do a Google search? My username still appears at the right top of the page, though opening Gmail asks for sign-in...

Great! But there is a lot of bugs from first public version:
1. JS is'n working correctly in edit forms in different CMS, e.g. http://www.dokuwiki.org/playground:playground - try to write something, then select it and then push one of markup buttons. It's look like Opera think, that no text is selected at all time. Same problem is in SMF, phpBB etc.
2. When I click left mouse button on menu item with submenus - menu close. But it should open a submenu instead, like in all DE and all other programs.
3. And the biggest bug: if you use Alt+Shift for changing keyboard layout and press Alt before Shift in all edit elements - opera open a menu.
4. Problems with opening links from other apllications. If I click on link, e.g. http://help.ubuntu.ru/wiki/system/переходим_на_ubuntu_linux_-_инстукция_для_пользователя_windows from my Jabber client, Opera try to open http://help.ubuntu.ru/wiki/system/пеÑеходим_на_ubuntu_linux_-_инÑÑÑкÑиÑ_длÑ_полÑзоваÑелÑ_windows
P.S. Ubuntu x64 (9.10 and 10.04)

Opera browser has really annoying bug. When I use select all in textarea element and use ctrl + c, nothing is copy into buffer, and same problem with use clear all and ctrl + v nothing is copy into textarea. It seems like a problem with focus.

I'm using the latest build (opera_10.53.6330_i386.deb) on two ubuntu computers: a Dell laptop and a Dell desktop. Ubuntu version 10.04. On my laptop I'm having problems with Opera 10.53 which I don't have on my desktop:

- webpage layout issues: webpages are not rendered correctly. I had this problem with older versions (9.*) of Opera and Ubuntu. Will take screenshots if necessary. For example: http://sporza.be/cm/sporza The radio/tv tab on top of the page is rendered underneath the home tab.
- A grey beam while typing a URL in the addressbar underneath the suggested history / bookmarks list.
- A white pixel on some webpages

Fonts are not rendered correctly and result in poor readability. The screenshot below display 9.52 at the bottom and 9.53 beta at the top, both running on Ubuntu 10.04.
http://lars.kvisle.no/opera_compared.png

Buggy press release!

Originally posted by http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2010/05/04/:

... feature-rich browser that is tailored fo r the Linux-platform. Opera is adept at running on different Linux a nd FreeBSD systems... easier t o distribute...

Also the formatting of the "Reasons to try out Opera" section is all broken. Each entry consists of a heading and then more details; the two are run together with no delineation.

I would submit this to the bug wizard, but its selection of problem types is so weak, I have no confidence at all that I am able to reach Opera webmasters through it.

thank you !!

Opera can't recognize css "top" property, when value in percents..

Like in:

.polublack {
position: relative;
top: -100%;
background-color: #000000;
z-index: 5;
width: 100%;
height: 100%;
opacity: 0.6;
margin-bottom: -14px;
}

which must cover full parent element.

Hey-hey, russian speaking people!
Does somebody can use russian letters in any input? It still not possible for me. I hope there is not a problem of my PC... o.0

One more issue: Opera prints sent page twice. Backtrace:

tj@TJ:/media/diskD/upload/opera-10.53-6330.x86_64.linux$ ./opera
opera: XOpenIM failed
Printing started. Print page 1
Printing started. Print page 1
Print page 3
Print page 5
Print page 7
Print page 9
Printing done
Printing done

(<unknown>:30865): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkWidget'

(<unknown>:30865): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_destroy: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
Printing done
Printing done
Printing done

Ubuntu Lucid x64 / GNOME 2.30 / Opera portable

Great work! Congrats! On to the next snapshot.

Originally posted by ruario:

It works for me. Could you clarify exactly what the problem is. Is it not respecting certain aspects of your theme, if so please state which ones (as we are already aware of some issues).

If you get no themeing at all could you please state your Window Manager/Desktop Environment, along with your distro and distro version.

The problem occurs not with all themes, but, e.g., with GTK2-step and B_and_W. The problem exits in KDE, Gnome, Window Maker, Enlightenment DR17.
Note, that others GTK applications (gvim, geeqie) does not have this problem.

Still don't think KDE appearance is at Beta standard yet. On KDE4.4 with DEFAULT styles:

* All input elements (buttons,textareas, inputs, etc.) don't have enough padding between the edge of the element and the text inside. Adding 'padding: 3px 5px' makes input boxes look correct, 'padding:3px 12px' for buttons fixes their appearance.
* KDE menu edges are rounded but Opera's are square. Seperators also look incorrect.
* Tab headings (under preferences for example) are 2px (active) and 1px (inactive) too tall and appear ontop the tab content
* Scrolling text areas / select boxes doesn't repaint them correctly (usually generates ghost lines which disappear when you click / highlight the text below them) http://imagebin.ca/view/7g-ZLKH.html
* Navigating through the "Open File" dialog is like watching paint dry. Same dialog in KDE apps works fine.
* Mail HTML composer colour selection button does nothing when clicked
* New mail notification popup on the bottom right doesn't show the e-mail subject (or it's off the screen)

This build still has the issue with crashing while saving a session in the 64 bit RPM/tarball version. The 32 bit version (tarball) I used was unaffected by this issue.

Unfortunately, every time the crash report pops up, it never says it has enough details for the crashlog. I'll try starting it from the command line to see if I can't get any pertinent information.

And considering this build is identical to Friday's, the F2 bug is still there as well.

My output with: xrdb -query | grep Xft

Xft.dpi: 96
Xft.antialias: 1
Xft.hinting: 1
Xft.hintstyle: hintslight
Xft.rgba: rgb
Xft.lcdfilter: lcddefault

OS:Ubuntu 10.04/32bit

@italianjob44: on its own that isn't very helpful. We need your settings yes but along with a report of what is wrong! Also I asked that you report as a bug in a bug report, not here. The bug reporting system is what the development team work from. We are not consonantly finding old comments buried in snapshot feedback and checking against that. By all means ask here about issues if you like but do also report the bug as well. If you haven't reported it through the bug wizard, you can't complain if it is not fixed!

Opera 10.10: http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7157/operakdeqt.png
Opera 10.53: http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6459/operakdewithoutqt.png

Newer Opera doesn't have good KDE look'n'feel integration. Please, fix it to reach the 10.10 version's standard before RC comes out.