Originally posted by BigMuscle:

The bug that Opera sometimes stops reacting to user's input is still present in this build!

Same here. Opera freezes occasionally probably due to my system running of memory. Opera as of writing this is using 1.16GB of RAM

This is not freezing. I still can switch tabs by mouse. But it does not react if I type something on keyboard. Also, clicking the bookmarked link just highlight the item but does not open anything.

I need to active other window (e.g. clicking on Windows taskbar is enough) and then go back to Opera.

This build is very good. Still has a considerable memory usage, but we can call it "beta" now.

i have used opera for 8-9 years now and i always defend it, telling people it is the best browser, no comparison with any other.
i have my own gestures, shortcuts, menus, skins, all modified by myself, adapted to my browsing way, making that use any other browser uncomfortable and stupid. i simply love it.

BUT, a pair of months ago, tired of constant crashes, loading times, loads of memory used, freezes and maddening i try chrome. it wasnt my internet connection, it wasnt my old computer... it was opera. chrome works VERY much better. it is uncomfortable, not customized and not adapted to me at all... but it works. maybe opera should take care of these things, because of course i will give the last chance to opera 12, opera will be my default browser, i will defend it in front of people... but when i start to browse, i will keep on, like the last 2 months, clicking on chrome instead of opera.

Grigori. Try deleting operaprefs.ini when Opera is not running. You will loose your preferences but Opera will start with factory default settings. This is the closest thing to clean install without doing a clean install.

I can now listen some music on Google Play with HTML5...
Didn't see anything in the changelog for this...

Anyway thanks Opera

Four bugs still left:
1) close button is takes 100% of tab when you have many tabs, thus you cannot switch to tab with mouse (as you will close it upon click).

2) 64bit flash is horrible.. from simple hangs after around 2-3 GB memory used you open, to full-scale system lock (facepalm) so even ctrl+alt+del (or capslock) work.

3) when plugin container hangs - killing plugin cintainer is not enough to unlock main opera

4) Wacom plugin borks all flash content if enabled, - is not blacklisted or disabled by default. (And anyone, who has wacom tablet DOES have this plugin)

Originally posted by BigMuscle:

The bug that Opera sometimes stops reacting to user's input is still present in this build!

Yes, I do confirm this and I did report it in the previous page, another user also confirmed it in the previous page. The same issue also exited in the previous build and maybe even the one before that!

Regression? Restored tabs are missing the close button. It's driving me crazy. I use a dual screen monitor and use Opera with all tabs restored all the time. This way I can watch movies(netflix), IRC, track downloads, and surf multiple tabs at the same time with just Opera up(yes it's a great browser when they leave the features alone).

Haven't attempted to use a new 12 full time as stable in a while, the old 12 I have still has the X for close on each restored tab, so I hope to god this is just a bug. (I've just been using the new 12s for quick tests so don't know when the X close on restored windows disappeared)

also.. 64bit build was able to crash ProcessExplorer after crashing itself (sic!)
update: and windows explorer, and it is not able to restart.

too slow, acts like a resource hog.

opera freezes on youtube (winxp.sp3) i have to restart...

Except fixing bugs try to concetrate to web sites accessed by millions of people (e.g. youtube, gmail, facebook etc.) to work with no bug at all.

Consistent crash when trying to add new Speed Dial thumbnail, either when clicking on Add New Dial or after, upon clicking one of the thumbnails that shows. Tried different sites and open/close Opera. Win 7/64. HWA/WebGL on.

Update: works ok when HWA turned off.

Originally posted by ahmadmoawya:

This build still uses too much RAM and CPU. Sometimes fails to start PDF downloads from mediafire sometimes.

I must say that although I applauded Opera's brave move of going back to basics, the final version of Opera must be "extraordinarily" refined. Opera 12 must outshine other browsers in the reaming basic functionality which is pretty much the major point of competition now.

Here are some suggestions:
- revamp the download manager; multi-threaded downloads, scheduling, easier access to controls.
- Platform integration (especially on the Mac); improve start-up speed, make better user of screen estate, integrate with existing OS services like built-in dictionary (seriously!!).
- Simplify the Opera preferences window.
- Improve mouse control, like middle click home, back buttons to open in new tabs.
- Add setting, themes, extensions to sync.

//Sorry for getting off-topic

+1 to all of them. Esp. the start-up time and download-manager. (and the complete removal of the same things on the Windows-platform as were removed a week ago from the Opera for Mac)

Also, on restored tabs/windows, mostly can replicate it on when there is a vertical and horizontal size(scroll bar), just testing http://www.opera.com/portal/next/ for example, when resizing the window the mouse get stuck when you move over the bottom right corner and keep resizing. So if you move the mouse over it even if you are not left clicking, it will keep resizing.


You may to keep resizing it a couple of times to replicate it to see what I mean. But then the mouse gets stuck. Win7, clean generic USB install.

Originally posted by ratinopera:

Defend Opera Software programmers and acting that everything is good, can be the best way to killing our favourite software.

+1, but the coders and QA also employees. If the new CEO say: "The deadline is coming." they have to release the build.

If CEO say: "There is no time for making more usable (for bugreporters) BTS." then there won't be time for making it more usable.

Furthermore, because they're employees, I guess that any critism of Opera Software is prohibited to them.

Tons of dragging issues in restore mode. As grab the title bar you star dragging the the window stops and all of a sudden the URL has torn free and you just dragging the URL. Happens a lot if you click near were is says "WEB" with the globe by the url.

Same thing is there is a picture near the top of the webpage. You will be dragging the window by the top bar then it just stops and all of a sudden you are just dragging a picture from the page. Twitter homepage, not logged in, is an easy one to replicate because the logo is right in the top left corner, so if you start dragging on the bar near the logo, it will just rip away.

Same with resizing, other than the big where the mouse gets stuck resizing, when resizing, it will stop resizing and you are all of a sudden just dragging an image from the web page that you weren't over, but you were on the window resize area.

Definitely see speed improvements though. Having issue with Netflix where I have to keep refreshing to get the movie to start (masked as Firefox).

Again, this is default USB install to new folder. I have nothing old, not even bookmarks. Just testing.

Java not working in extensions (for example in Radioigor starter the radio doesn't open when clicking the channel chosen).

Ciao, Igor

Second - if "one time is enough" then why we (people who report bugs) don't can even check is someone working on specific bug? All that reporting is imo just a joke. Reporting second time the same bug is "make them waist time"? Sorry, but why we, as users, don't waste our time but they, as company, waste their time?

That's right, you're also waisting time when reporting the same problem more than once.

If (any) people were able to check bug status on the BTS, there were (probably) hundreds of posts asking "why ny bug report was marked as not confirmed?" or "why my bug was not checked yet?" "why a bug reported earlier that mine was already fixed and mine not?" and so on.

There are some people that can't even deal with the fact that they are using an "in development" software and keep ranting about problems here or on the forum; imagine if the BTS was open to everyone.

That's why 99% of the bug tracking systems are closed.

Third - (most funny) bugs take "hours, days, weeks, months or even years" to be fixed? Hehh, good that not centuries.

Sorry for telling you the truth.

Fourth - "not everything that is not working for us is a bug" - I know, for worshipers if something is not working, it's improvement. Real maniacs can probably even change their bank if Opera can't display bank website proper.

In 9 years as a My Opera member i've seen lots of rants about possible problems in/with Opera that, in the end, were not being caused by Opera.

That's why it's a good idea to have a problem confirmed by two or more other persons before reporting it.

And fifth - "not all bugs are easy to reproduce"? This man report bug, right? In his opinion (as customer) is important and serious bug. So - if someone can't reproduce bug, then ask for more details is normal thing to do. Is he receiving any email with that request? I don't think so.

It won't work that way nor here nor anywhere. If a bug can't be reproduced with the steps given on the report, it will not be (easly) fixed.

Defend Opera Software programmers and acting that everything is good, can be the best way to killing our favourite software.

I agree. But rant or keeping asking about the same thing on every post/release won't help either.
The best way to help is to posting constructive comments and making good bug reports.

Originally posted by LeoCG:

That's why 99% of the bug tracking systems are closed.

Congrats! You just won "Most stupid post of the year" award!

Originally posted by flm:

Originally posted by LeoCG:

That's why 99% of the bug tracking systems are closed.

Congrats! You just won "Most stupid post of the year" award!

Did i say something wrong? I don't think so.

report anything (the way you say is normal) is poitless then. It's like talking to the deaf person - you don't receive reverse feedback (programmer > user), you can report bug but you don't know is even checked etc.

And why it would be pointless? If a good bug report was made then the problem will (probably) be fixed and it will be good for all users.

(Some) people keep saying that Opera's BTS should be open as if (almost) all other BTSs were open and Opera's was the one against the flow. There are some BTSs overthere in which an average user can't even directly report a bug.

It would be better if Opera's bug track system were open? Maybe, i don't know. But, at this moment, i don't think that it would be a good idea.

Btw, all that discussion is pointless and off-topic here. So let's keep it aside and focus on discuss the release.

Originally posted by ahoj1234:

Originally posted by mgl4evr:

Scrolling on http://solusos.com/" target="_blank">http://solusos.com/ is a tad slow. Confirm?

Cant confirm it.. It is not so slow...
W7 x64 with this x64 build as USB clean install,all plugins enabled,no extension,without WHA..

Clean install... Problem is gone. They should really add an option to do a clean install during update.

Originally posted by ratinopera:

I using build 1289 and still this is best build of Opera12

Precisely!

Originally posted by ratinopera:

Originally posted by mgl4evr:

They should really add an option to do a clean install during update.

This is "they" program, so "they" should know differences between versions and make proper upgrade with change of options that should be changed.
What is the point of making "upgrade" option if doesn't work proper?

Problem I think is that every user uses and changes Opera as they need and see fit. So, it's impossible for the team to develop a "one size fits all" solution.

It really doesn't do any good to respond to ratinopera since he provides no input to these test builds and his posts merely provide entertainment for him.

Please fix skin bugs, i like to use like this.
http://shrani.si/f/1d/cx/3hZm28NP/o.png

Opera crashes when I try to run Dragonfly in separate window.
Steps to reproduce:
1) Open Dragonfly (Ctrl+Shift+I, RMB > Inspect element etc.)
2) Click to Undock into separate window
Opera may crash at this moment? if not:
3) Close Dragonfly and open it again

Win7 SP1 x64
Opera 12.00 build 1417 x64

Originally posted by dizlexik:

No progress bar for me:
http://i.imgur.com/HeXp7.jpg

For me too


Dear Opera developers(or designers), please return normal icon for closed tabs button.
Now it is meaningless! Only FF users can guess what it means.
NEW Opera users(Do you want to increase your users count?) will be confused with this button!
This is not good part of FF design, right? Then why you copy it? Previous icon was simple enough.

what flash player version to use with 64bit build?
I have been using 64bit flash player plugin and getting plugin error and constant freezing and not responding error.

Originally posted by 109th:

Opera crashes when I try to run Dragonfly in separate window.Steps to reproduce:1) Open Dragonfly (Ctrl+Shift+I, RMB > Inspect element etc.)2) Click to Undock into separate windowOpera may crash at this moment? if not:3) Close Dragonfly and open it againWin7 SP1 x64Opera 12.00 build 1417 x64

Have you submitted a crash log and if so, with what email address?

CORE-45881 Drag in drop of file from OS to element with dropzone attribute fails

- I am still not able to drag and drop files into Google Docs aka Google Drive from my desktop.

Opera, you have my sincere applauds since this is the best and most stable build of Opera 12 since....the very first versions of the pre-alpha [for me]. Ran a clean profile, running with OpenGL HWA, WebGl, websockets, favicons.

It still has crashes sometimes, that I can't explain or reproduce, but all in all, it works. And even Flash 11.3 x64 works without crashing the whole browser. [before, I needed the x86 version, but now both work just the same, as in fine]

"Block content" is disabled?

Originally posted by drworm:

"Block content" is disabled?

How so?

Originally posted by drworm:

"Block content" is disabled?

No, it's working.

Wahoo Beta is the buggiest beta I can recall, I've been around since 9.23 stable.
Shockwave Flash seems to crash very often, also after some time, sites will stop working just like that with hardware acceleration on both DirectX and OpenGL.

Originally posted by green90s:

Shockwave Flash seems to crash very often

+1
in this build it is really often..
W7x64 with this x64 build,only flash player beta (11,3,300,231),clean USB install,without changing preference..
edit: especially when I am playing video on youtube and in next tab play some flash game or something..

Originally posted by d.i.z.:

Have you submitted a crash log and if so, with what email address?

just sent a couple of logs from clean usb install
IllusionMH[at]gmail.com

I don't know what triggered it (so understandably I can't reproduce it), but the icons in Opera got squeezed all of a sudden yesterday:


Furthermore, I watched two films (about 90 min each) yesterday via the flash plugin. The first one was totally fine, but the second one made Opera (or more specifically the plugin wrapper) use 100% of my CPU. The longer it played, the less frames were shown because the effect got worse and worse. I killed Opera (and the plugin wrapper) two times and upon reopening everything was fine and fluid again, but it happened again after a few minutes and got worse and worse...

x64-build @ Win8 x64 (HWA enabled, Intel 4 Series Express)

Originally posted by 109th:

Dear Opera developers(or designers), please return normal icon for closed tabs button.Now it is meaningless! Only FF users can guess what it means.NEW Opera users(Do you want to increase your users count?) will be confused with this button!This is not good part of FF design, right? Then why you copy it? Previous icon was simple enough.

+1
I want trash icon back!

Originally posted by minho:

Originally posted by 109th:

please return normal icon for closed tabs button

+1
I want trash icon back!

I usually don't do this lamenting stuff, but in this case for real: I add my voice to this request! Simplicity is one thing, but replacing an icon, which clearly indicates its function by a more basic geometrical shape, which doesn't have ANY implicit meaning to me (maybe except "go down") is not an improvement at all!

Originally posted by christoph142:

but replacing an icon, which clearly indicates its function by a more basic geometrical shape, which doesn't have ANY implicit meaning to me (maybe except "go down") is not an improvement at all!

Exactly!

Originally posted by christoph142:

replacing an icon, which clearly indicates its function by a more basic geometrical shape, which doesn't have ANY implicit meaning to me (maybe except "go down") is not an improvement at all!

Couldn't have said it better (I usually don't care too much about this kind of UI changes, but this case is different...)

Originally posted by minho:

Originally posted by christoph142:

but replacing an icon, which clearly indicates its function by a more basic geometrical shape, which doesn't have ANY implicit meaning to me (maybe except "go down") is not an improvement at all!

Exactly!

We should write a petition.. I agree with you guys.. (Opera is trying to be simply browser for users.. and tell me what is simpler.. trash icon or stupid triangle without meaning..)

Originally posted by geodimo:

too slow, acts like a resource hog.

opera freezes on youtube (winxp.sp3) i have to restart...

(snip)

Confirmed; Win XP.sp3

The worse problem is that it always freezes when a page contains a link to YouTube: so it's impossible to know in advance what site could be safely accessed, and this makes very painful to use this "beta"(?) release, even if only for testing it...

Before boring Opera developers with a nth bug report, does anybody know whether this issue was already notified to desktop team?

Originally posted by 109th:

Originally posted by d.i.z.:

Have you submitted a crash log and if so, with what email address?

just sent a couple of logs from clean usb install
IllusionMH[at]gmail.com

Thanks! These crashes are somewhat "weird" though. Could you try do the same with memguard enabled? That could provide more useful information. To enable memguard, create memguard.ini file on your desktop with "all" text in it (without quotes). On starting, Opera should ask whether you want to run in this mode (which will be slower so use it only for reproducing the crash).

Originally posted by 109th:

Originally posted by d.i.z.:

Have you submitted a crash log and if so, with what email address?

just sent a couple of logs from clean usb install
IllusionMH[at]gmail.com

Actually I've reproduced this crash so you can ignore my previous comment.

Is there a reason why MDI windows (or how to call them, just new tab which are not maximized) don't have a close "X" button?

Originally posted by BigMuscle:

Is there a reason why MDI windows (or how to call them, just new tab which are not maximized) don't have a close "X" button?

Posted that earlier and put in a bug report. Hopes it a regression. Early versions of 12 the Restored/MDI windows still had the close X. I browse on dual screen with Opera stretched across both screens and the browser in MDI/Restored mode.

So I don't use the tabs so much. When I go to close each Window in this build it is HARD. I have to go find the tab at the top which could be on the opposite monitor. Not great with tab stacking either. At least if you click the MDI window it highlights the tab at the top, but you still have to search. Each one MDI window needs it own close X though.

Originally posted by mgl4evr:

Clean install... Problem is gone.
They should really add an option to do a clean install during update.

Here is what I do. After installing and Opera opens I close Opera and for it to close in the background. I then delete the operaprefs.ini.

You will loose Opera's settings and bring Opera back to factory defaults. It is the closest to a clean installation when upgrading. It helps to prevent a lot of problems caused by messed up Preferences. This is also known as profile reset.

This keeps Opera test builds as stable as they can be as test builds and prevents a lot of needless annoyances making the use of snapshot a more pleasant experience