Now outlook works fine, but Skydrive still needs a fix.

No, you can't work(!) with outlook.com on Opera.
Ya, its a real mess.
Both outlook and skydrive are loading, as long as just looking at them.
On Outlook any email managing --> Opera crash.
On Skydrive proper lookups of folders don't work.
Thanks.

Originally posted by d.i.z.:

Originally posted by EricJH:

A plugin may be found in more than one location (say Real Player's plugins folder and Firefox plugins folder) and as a consequence Opera will now load the plugins from both locations increasing load.

It can happen that same plugin can be found in two locations and added to the list twice but I don't understand what you mean by "increasing load". Having duplicated plugins does not increase "load". Opera will only load the one that is first on the list, by default.

That clears it all up for me. Even though plugins show up twice in opera:plugins it only gets loaded once. Is that correctly understood?

It seemed logical to me to assume that when a plugin shows up twice in the list it gets loaded twice like what would happen years ago.

Originally posted by EricJH:

That clears it all up for me. Even though plugins show up twice in opera:plugins it only gets loaded once. Is that correctly understood?

I should clarify a bit my previous statement. The plugin is loaded only when stumbling upon a content that requires this plugin. If you have one or two copies of the RealPlayer plugin detected and you don't open any page that tries to use this plugin then of course none of them will be loaded (in memory or otherwise).

So yes, detecting multiple copies of the plugin is "free" and certainly does not increase CPU or memory usage.

I can't even quote anyone because of the darned nsl probs... , seriously.... ^^ it's a big prob...

The out of process plugins added a prob of there own, crashing on ramdom, it didn't happen much though.
I definitely prefer this integrated method, less processes running too.

There's still that bug on the view bar, to the right of it, I have it showing on the right side of the screen as well.
It's a line going through it.

There's a large gap these days inbetween the tab bar and view bar when both are displayed on the right.
View bar on the inside, tab bar on the outside.

All of the builds form the last year or 2 crash, often.
v11.64 isn't as bad, but it still has it's major bugs.
I find myself swapping between that ver and the latest once in a while trying to get ahead...

The v12.50 build was unusable to me because my user.js script stopping working right, my css transparent gradiant stopped working.
Might of been the new drawing options though and the fact that 98% of the sites nsl.

It also hardlocks, I mean pauses for mins on end on some sites in some cases, ex ->.
http://xsara.audiogoshop.com/
On Newegg it sometimes goes into dos attack mode when viewing product pages, what I mean is it repeatedly re-loads certain elements, and never stops.

Most builds have a hard time scrolling all the way down a google images search, it gets way slow and unusable.

Been using the 32bit builds on win7 and win8 rtm, 6core cpu and 8 gigs of ram (modded kernel).
Win8 btw doesn't support transparent windows officially...

Regression on mail panel.
wrench icon does not work, nothing happens when I click on it.

Ubuntu 12.04 amd64, x64 build

You fixed the problem with freezing Opera!!!! Thank You

Thanks for the snapshot preview. I must report that this preview is finally fixing issue with flash player lagging on buffering and while playing!!! Great job. Even latest 12.5 preview didn't fix this problem...you must use this fix for later releases please. I can finally watching flash videos without any distractions.

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Does this OOPP has anything to do with the slow scrolling on youtube website. I am running the x64 12.01 version and the slow scrolling effect is very obvious after video playback. The lagging is gone as soon as I scroll past the video display window to the commenting area of the browser but resumes as soon as I scroll up.

Hardware acceleration works fine in this version using Mountain Lion 10.8 for the for the FIRST time, good job! 12.5 latest build is another story, still crashes the entire OS when turning it on.

Seems that sending lots of Flash crash reports from Last.fm pages made sense at last. I will test this build tomorrow, as I don't have time today, but thanks nevertheless.

By the way, besides the dozens of Flash plugin crashes I also had one Java plugin crash with Opera 12.01 on a T-Online or T-Com page with a W-LAN hotspot finder applet, but I cannot remember if sending the crash report worked or not.

DSK-366646 crash on exit if speed dial is stacked with mail tab seems to be fixed in this update.

Originally posted by olli:

We would also spend half a day compiling the opera code and reducing coding efficiency by 500% :-p

Testing Opera on older hardware wouldn't stop you using modern hardware for compiling the code. You could run Opera in a virtual machine.

There are still a lot of users running Windows XP, and my hardware is not exceptionally slow nor unusually old (It will be six years old in November). I suspect there are at least 10% of users with hardware like this or slower (26.1% use Windows XP). Testing software on the lowest common denominator hardware will surely highlight defects in the code — memory leaks, redundant processing cycles, etc., which may never show up on the latest hardware. You also need some older users to test it with weak eyesight, colour-blindness, etc. Can the software be used without a mouse? Try opening the preferences dialogue and see if you can navigate with just the keyboard for example.

AMD Athlon 3500 • 1 Gbyte RAM • onboard GeForce 6100 graphics

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT SHORT-TERM-FIX with disabling oop. I have been using dual installation of v12 branch and Opera 11.52 the whole time since flash in plugin wrapper was a horror on my machine (some videos just did not play in v12 branch giving a grey rectangle or were skipping during playback and hang forever). You did some progress with 12.01 over 12.00 but there were still issues left. I will test this build very thoroughly and will tell you if all problems are gone now in a few days.

Forgot to mention: If CPU load should be less with OOP disabled, maybe it may in fact be a wise decision to give users an OOP-opt-out setting in Opera config for all future builds.

Originally posted by olli:

Originally posted by beholder-again:

seems like OOPP = way to fk up a stable release
Haven't you sped up their introduction a little?

In my opinion Opera devs should still use older machines for development, they would see more issues crop up. I guess that's not what they want to hear. Here is an athlon XP 2100 still with 1.5 MB DDR RAM working fine, thank you :-)

Good thing I am still on O 11.64

We would also spend half a day compiling the opera code and reducing coding efficiency by 500% :-p

perhaps just for testing purposes? not everyone is getting blinded by marketing and sellers, not everyone needs a brand new bag (computer) every year. Opera used to understand this once... (also i'm still on 11.64, 12.XX is acting weird, sometimes its faster in page reactions, but usually its slower by program in general, that is: slow responses when changing tabs, bad scrolling, terrible flash performance (now fixed for 32xp(THANKS!)) unidentified temporary freezes... )

Originally posted by achim3:

Forgot to mention: If CPU load should be less with OOP disabled, maybe it may in fact be a wise decision to give users an OOP-opt-out setting in Opera config for all future builds.

this is very good idea. OOP could be turned on and at first use of it there should be quick info about it.

Originally posted by olli:

We fixed a serious nsl issue in that release

Not fixed on Fedora 17 x32.

Opera is my primary browser again thanks !

When I go certain site and not all the time, but usually if there is a video on it the site it just disappears on 10.8...strange and non-unusable.

Originally posted by d.i.z.:

I should clarify a bit my previous statement. The plugin is loaded only when stumbling upon a content that requires this plugin. If you have one or two copies of the RealPlayer plugin detected and you don't open any page that tries to use this plugin then of course none of them will be loaded (in memory or otherwise).

I assumed Opera loads all plugins upon start up. That must have changed then.

So yes, detecting multiple copies of the plugin is "free" and certainly does not increase CPU or memory usage.

If I understand it correctly. Even though Opera detects multiple versions of a plugin it will load only one when a web page requires it?

Okay here are the results after my first initial tests of flash with Opera 12.02 Build 1552 vs Opera 12.01 Final

could not experience random flash crashes, or sometimes missing videos that are replaced by grey boxes yet (both were present in 12.01 and hard to reproduce)
Needs continued testing to be sure about that.

Furthermore CPU usage is cut in half while playing youtube flash videos in the new build (without OOP). RAM consumption is slightly lower without OOP.

Pages with lots of flash content are definitely loading faster with the new build, probably due to decreased initialization overhead.

For some strange reason I even have the feeling that buffering the video works better without OOP. With 12.01 videos ran out of buffer quite often, but that may be by coincidence. Can anyone confirm?

Test system:
Intel Pentium E5200 (45nm C2D, 2x2,5Ghz)
4GB DDR2 RAM 800MHz
Ati Radeon 4350
Flash 11,3,300,271 (older versions also affected)
Windows XP Pro 32Bit SP3


PLEASE PROVIDE A SWITCH TO KEEP OOP TURNED OFF IN FUTURE BUILDS!
This feature is not even a beta, it is a very unstable and resource consuming peace of early alpha code!!!

Glad you ripped it out of the Opera code for now!

http://my.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%97%E1%80%9F%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%85%E1%80%AC%E1%80%99%E1%80%BB%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%94%E1%80%BE%E1%80%AC


error coding

I have to take back what I said earlier about hardware acceleration working fine in this build. After the browser is up for a while, scrolling becomes choppy and the browser acts erratic within Mountain Lion 10.8. Hardware acceleration just NOT play well in 10.8!

Why only for 32bit fix, you should scrap 32bit support from 64bit even if Windows allows it and that's your brake right there. You can install 32bit Opera on 64bit Windows and use 32bit plug-ins anyway if really need that but by now there is 64bit Flash and 64bit Java. 64bit of IE was in 64bit XP long ago so Opera was not the first 64bit build.

Your potato is not done yet...

Yahoo mail never load, previous builds load ok but this is a disaster.

The yahoo mail tab say Loading for 45min long and show nothing.

Originally posted by vitorboss:

Yahoo mail never load, previous builds load ok but this is a disaster.

The yahoo mail tab say Loading for 45min long and show nothing.

No problem on Ubuntu 12.04.

Originally posted by achim3:

PLEASE PROVIDE A SWITCH TO KEEP OOP TURNED OFF IN FUTURE BUILDS!

No, I disagree. OOP are state of the art and should be made work, as simple as it sounds!

Originally posted by XAntares:

Originally posted by achim3:

PLEASE PROVIDE A SWITCH TO KEEP OOP TURNED OFF IN FUTURE BUILDS!

No, I disagree. OOP are state of the art and should be made work, as simple as it sounds!

A switch would provide the ability to choose whether you want to use this feature or not. I agree that it would be good to have this thing working AS IT SHOULD. But as long as it is not working and affecting stability and performance in a negative way there has to be a choice given to users that have been plagued by the bugs. What is proper plugin wrapping good for when it makes the whole functionality the plugin provides useless for you? I prefer to have a working flash plugin rather than a plugin that is crashing all the time or is too slow to work on my computer. Unless all the problems I mentioned are solved there needs to be a way out! And atm that means to disable OOP.
Opera made the right decision with HWA - they found it not to be stable enough so you can turn it on and off. If you dare, you can activate and test. But if you just want a stable browser you are safe. This way new features can be tested thoroughly instead of taking everyones machine down.

I'd like to have (a working) OOP and sandbox if possible.

What i noticed (this build and the last (last 2?) was mentioned in another comment in an earlier snapshot):

Any/most graphical editors are broken by the new Opera.

In vBB/wotlab Forums, in Wordpress aso:

When trying to create a link/URL anything the insert is at the wrong place:
It's fine in the first line, any [Return] shifts the cursor by one position to the right:

I marked the first char in every line, a enter at the end of the line:
<QUOTE>a</QUOTE>aaaaa
a<QUOTE>a</QUOTE>aaaa
aa<QUOTE>a</QUOTE>aaa
aaa<QUOTE>a</QUOTE>aa
aaaa<QUOTE>a</QUOTE>a

Please fix this it's nasty..

While on the way get rid of DSK-371494 which means broken Keys for Roundcube and other applications. (Del/Cursors not working)

> http://www.e-bilet.ua - instant crash when opening.
> (32-bit Win)

Confirmed. But if turn off JavaScript - no crash. Crashdumps are sent.

Crashing on clearing cache, randomly, doesn't always doit.

Crunchyroll flash vids don't work in this build.
ex:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/naruto-shippuden/episode-274-the-complete-ino-shika-cho-formation-600715

When you click on the play thingy, the on demand plugins thing, it does nothing.
Though when you hover over the spot with your mouse, and then right click, the flash context menu does show up, but it's in the upper left corner of the screen.
Almost as if the flash vid is showing offscreen or something.

Edit:
Saw i had some msg in the mail box here, after posting the above I tried top read it.
I can't open mail.opera.com...
It doesn't do anything... lol
All it says is "Loading...". (changing user agent to firefox, iron, opera and ie, tried them all and notta).
(firefox useragent makes yahoo mail classic work better though but whatever)

Will this version, 12.02 fix this issue:"Could not print page. Please check whether the printer is accessible". This occurs when I select some text on a web page and go to Print>Selection>Print. This was reported by:

Originally posted by kanstisama:

Can't print selections. "Could not print page. Please check whether the printer is accessible"

Win7 x32, HW OFF, Opera x32

I have a Gateway dx4300, Windows 7 and opera 12.01.

Huge Memory leaks in all three builds after 12.01.
(win 64bit)

Good points: FINALLY!! no more plugin crashes with embedded videos; the loading of flash videos is faster, but not by much; the buttons in GMail are now back to normal - transparent.
Regressions: none so far.
One thing - again, after upgrade, the images were absent. Easy fix, but that might put some problems to noobs.

Does this also fix the problem that my AVG anti-virus software deleted the opera_plugin_wrapper.exe?

Originally posted by Azrael1:

Good points: FINALLY!! no more plugin crashes with embedded videos; the loading of flash videos is faster, but not by much; the buttons in GMail are now back to normal - transparent.
Regressions: none so far.
One thing - again, after upgrade, the images were absent. Easy fix, but that might put some problems to noobs.

What do you mean by images was absent?

Thiemo: which edition and version of AVG do you have?

Looking up en entry in Gnome's Bugzilla database causes Opera to crash. But since I'm still using Opera 11.64.1403 I'd be interested to know how later versions (12.xx) behave on this website ...

- go to Gnome Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/
- enter a search term such as "nautilus" or "evince"
- see "Please stand by ..." for a few seconds
- and watch Opera crash

Regarding my previous post ... I've just checked Gnome Bugzilla with the latest 12.02.1555 and found that the page now loads without any problems.

Originally posted by olli:

Originally posted by Azrael1:

Good points: FINALLY!! no more plugin crashes with embedded videos; the loading of flash videos is faster, but not by much; the buttons in GMail are now back to normal - transparent.
Regressions: none so far.
One thing - again, after upgrade, the images were absent. Easy fix, but that might put some problems to noobs.

What do you mean by images was absent?

Guess he refers to the known issue of tabs saved before upgrade having "no images" setting afterwards.

Originally posted by olli:

What do you mean by images was absent?

Even the boxes where the pictures where supposed to be were missing - only a name tag was present. Enabling the images (quicker if done from the View bar) only brings back the boxes after refreshing the page. Only a full restart fixes everything. Not a big problem for me or most people here, but it might be disconcerting to someone who doesn't know the origin of the problem. And no, it's not about saved tabs, it's about every page from every tab loaded after an upgrade or even clean install.
BTW it has appeared since the first 12 build and it's still there at every one of them.

Is hardware acceleration on the next build for MAC 10.8 going to be addressed? It runs great for about 2 minutes then freezes up my entire OS to a point I have to do a hard shutdown!

I'm glad with this release and exclusion of out-of-process plugins and I hope it'll remain this way in future releases. Personally am not a fan of out-of-process plugins. Even if out-of-process plugins are good for crash protection, I havn't had any crashes with Opera in the first place. It'd be good if Opera gave me a choice if I want plugins to be out of process or in-process (just like plugins to be loaded on demand), if the team decides to stick with the idea of out-of-process plugins in the future.

One of my systems has a meagre 256MB RAM and Opera 11.60 ran so smoothly on it, but `12.0 was really heavy and am happy that this version is as light as 11.5x series. Out of the 5 mainstream browsers only Opera was usable on my low end PC that too v11.60 and 12.02 . Great release

It is quite ironic that old Opera with in-process plugins *never* crashed for me, but Opera with out-of-process plugins - for better crash protection - *has* crashed a few times!

Last night I got my first ever BSOD on Win7! Probably because my wife had a few pages open in Opera (12.01) showing flash videos from different sources.

I think it's because the code was very tight before, but "breaking out" the plugins has ripped a few holes in Opera. We just have to wait for the guys to find and stitch together all the loose ends...

ALERT!!!!
Refering to Opera 12 x32 1555!
Again found a grey box where actually a flash video should appear (very seldom now) using youtube.
At first I thought, all those grey boxes would be gone forever since you disabled out-of-process plugins. It definetely got MUCH better since using the first 12.02 beta 1552. It took me 2 days of youtubing before I could experience this thing again. However there still needs to be a bug somewhere in the code causing that.
This bug is reported for Opera 12 x32 1555.
I have not seen it yet on Opera 12 x32 1552 (but could also be because I did not test with that version THAT long)

Unlike the grey boxes in 12.00-12.01 I can get the video to work by simply reloading the page now. This was never possible before (12.00-12.01).

However a parallel install of Opera 11.52 has never shown a grey box instead of the video FOR MONTHS!

Maybe further investigation is needed, I would provide any help I can...

This build of Opera blurs webpages and interface
(regardless of Renderer option, Win7x64, Radeon HD5670 Catalyst 12.8)
It appears on every page erratically.

http://www.dropbox.com/s/9v3fsm1td3xtgtd/OPERAblur.png

Switching HWA off eleminate this problem, but...

Installed this version to see if it fixed this bug with Opera, Flowplayer and Flash 11.4:
http://flowplayer.org/forum/8/102899
http://code.google.com/p/flowplayer-core/issues/detail?id=628

Sadly enough, it does not. Flowplayer in Opera is broken with the latest Flash.

hi I experienced this tonight, windows 7, Opera 12.02,

when attempting to load the formula1.com page from bookmark, the page would not display, when clicking the link from a google search result the page would display.

I unistalled and reinstalled Opera, same problem, I disabled the Shockwave Flash 11.4 r402 plugin and the page loads, I had installed this plugin 3 times and it was not being accessed by the program (I guess) or it had not installed correctly.

thanx for your time and product,

rex

an Opera user since version 3.0

Opera version 12.01 had some serious issue as detected by my Kaspersky AV
"vulnerability scan "and it took lots of trouble in updating to 12.02 also the auto update failed, i had to come to opera.com to download 12.02 and then install it.

For the 1st time opera gave me some jerks i hope in future only smooth sail no jerks by opera

Originally posted by eliotcougar:

This is unexpected change...
I don't experience problems with plugins, but I do notice strange behavior... I have my Opera browser run 24/7 for many days, and I notice that the longer it runs the more opera_plugin_wrapper processes I have in Task Manager... Sometimes it even reaches 5-7 simultaneous processes.

I see this happening too. I also run a legacy app that needs to run in an NTVDM and it usually (but not always) fails to start if Opera is running, and almost certainly fails to start if any opera_plugin_wrapper processes are running.

Plz Fix, i cant even Check E-mail with opera anymore, most web pages dont even load up and some just stay loading for ever... Hope you Guys come With a fix, ive ben using opera for years now and Told friends about it aswell Coz of the Quick page loads and nice Texture looks and everything, such a shame i need to use other browser atm coz nothing is loading , and my internet is quite good... Its just this patch... everything stoped working.... Hope i can get back to Opera soon