My Opera
Happy New Year!
By Arjan van LeeuwenAVL. Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:01:00 PM
When we released our pre-alpha version into the wild last week, we told you that a Unix release would follow later. Today, as a new year's present, we'd like to give you the chance to play with Opera 10.5 on Unix.
We also have a little extra for those of you on Windows and Unix: this build includes support for the video element!
We also have a little extra for those of you on Windows and Unix: this build includes support for the video element!
Unix changes
Our Unix version is undergoing a lot of radical changes for the 10.5 release. It has been mentioned earlier that we are removing our dependency on the Qt libraries. By doing this, we hope to integrate better with the popular desktop environments out there, and we allow Opera to run without the need for a library that might or might not be installed on your system.
This means that you can run Opera without any graphical toolkit installed if you want to (plain X11), but if you do have toolkits installed, Opera will try to load and use them to integrate into the environment. Currently we are focusing on getting support for Gnome/GTK+ and KDE4/Qt4 into 10.5. The work on KDE4 integration is not at a stage yet where we think it can be used, so this pre-alpha release only has support for GTK. As a work in progress, you will notice that not all UI elements conform to their GTK specifications yet.
Like the other pre-alpha releases, the Unix build includes Carakan, our new javascript engine. The engine might be more unstable in 64-bit builds than in 32-bit.
Some features, such as printing and drag-and-drop functionality, are missing from this build.
Because this is a pre-alpha release, we don't recommend you to install it over your existing Opera installation. This is why we are releasing only non-installable tarballs instead of installable packages. To run Opera, extract the tarball and run './opera' from the main directory.
Video
Video support was first shown to the world by Opera in a labs release in 2007. Since then, things have changed a lot; you can read more about it in Philip's blog post. The Unix and Windows builds released today have support for the video element.
On Windows this should work out of the box. On Unix, you need to have some gstreamer plugins installed to get video support (on most distros, the packages are known as the gstreamer 'base' plugins). Unfortunately, video element support for Mac wasn't ready yet, but you can expect to see this in the future.
Other changes
Compared to the release from last week, these builds contain a small number of improvements that might help with stability.
Download
As before, this build represents a very early work in progress; many things are known not to work, and it will crash, burn and eat the occasional small household appliance.
A happy new year from all of us in the desktop team!
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DaringineerQuadunit404 # Sunday, January 3, 2010 1:14:07 AM
And Opera Link (I am still having issues with Opera Link, even though I entered my password in right.)
setsutekh # Sunday, January 3, 2010 1:21:27 AM
Originally posted by Old-Nick:
Originally posted by ayespy:
Originally posted by Old-Nick:
Try Highlight, Shift + Delete.
Ichann # Sunday, January 3, 2010 3:45:27 AM
Originally posted by kyleabaker:
Had that problem before (In the previous build that is). Try deleting your profile file.
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One other bug I have also found is that when I create a custom search I get the confirmation box twice.
FataL # Sunday, January 3, 2010 4:07:22 AM
Originally posted by Rijk:
Both most popular browsers (IE and Firefox) have visual clues for dropdowns. No one (except power Opera users) can ever discover that holding a button needed to show a dropdown menu. Probably this technique is against all known GUI guidlines.itakingiteasy # Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:16:21 AM
DaringineerQuadunit404 # Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:19:56 AM
ALLIGATORALLIGATORopera # Sunday, January 3, 2010 6:16:23 AM
KlausMuller # Sunday, January 3, 2010 7:56:59 AM
Originally posted by Lonesome Bullet:
With the program KernelEx you can start Opera 10.5 pa. You must disable javascript, it crashes the Browser. Lets hope in the future-builds it will work.
zoquete # Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:01:45 AM
Originally posted by ALLIGATORopera:
unbelievable!
7 pages of english comments and one russian!
translation:
This build is much more stable than the previous one. At the end I upgraded from 10.2 to 10.5. There are some smaller problems, but I don't care, bacause all main features I need, work. Over all I like speed (Vega, Carakan) and HTML5. Thanks to developers of Opera.
Corey Mwambacoreymwamba # Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:42:50 AM
Originally posted by foolip:
Aha. It works now - really well! Can't wait for it to get to beta. Can you edit the post to show people what the dependencies are?
For reference: openSUSE 11.2, Fluxbox - no KDE or GNOME anywhere. Opera's great for keeping a system light and I'm glad it's staying that way!
Mtlrrr # Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:49:35 AM
Can we have "close" buttons on tabs in extender tabs menu when tabs panel placed on left or right? (:
http://s58.radikal.ru/i162/1001/e5/bbb1145899ee.png
Using ctrl+w to close this tabs sometimes uncomfortable..
Patkós Csabapatkoscsaba # Sunday, January 3, 2010 11:13:17 AM
What can I say? I'm impressed with all the new tech in this build and I hope they will beautifully blend together into a stable Opera 10.50 in the near future.
Now, the most annoying bugs I found:
- some sites makes this build to eat my all 3G RAM and 1G Swap in a few seconds, than crash. Can't give you links, I was just clicking on some sites in a google search.
- HTML5 Video has a strange behavior. While the video is downloading it also plays without interruption. After the caching is over it is periodically stopping. If I move my mouse over the video (or if it's over it and move the mouse out of the video) playback resumes for a few seconds than it stops again and I have to repeat the mouse move to make it play.
- there are lot of obvious interface and usability problems, but I will not mention them since they are very likely known.
GOOD JOB OPERA TEAM! I can't wait the first official Alpha which should be stable enough to be used more often.
Philip Jägenstedtfoolip # Sunday, January 3, 2010 12:19:07 PM
Originally posted by coreymwamba:
OK, I've updated it.
Wernererror-at # Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:05:36 PM
http://files.myopera.com/error-at/help/opera1050pa2.png
Caterpillar # Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:08:59 PM
alekksander # Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:09:20 PM
(sry for my english)
and most of all - THANKS FOR THE BUILD
poorrichard01 # Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:30:35 PM
Originally posted by error-at:
On the one hand, I have to admit, along with this post-er, that the Peacekeeper benchmark shows that this build has dropped down to being slightly slower than Chrome. On the other hand, I also have to admit that before I ran the test, my senses could not perceive any speed difference.
poorrichard01 # Sunday, January 3, 2010 2:39:59 PM
Originally posted by FataL:
On the other hand, I can see the value of Opera taking an approach of trying to challenge Google Chrome rather than getting too spunky and saying 'Let's take on Internet Explorer.' With this build, there's the very real chance of drawing some users away from Chrome to Opera, if Opera does what it's doing and focuses on speed, elegance and simplicity.
Шуйский Николай [krigstask, Ŝtérkrìg]Sterkrig # Sunday, January 3, 2010 3:18:54 PM
Originally posted by arekm:
Such a smart user like you could easily package rpm/deb/whatever from tarball. Meanwhile I'll just run it from separate directory without fuss and risk to corrupt my everyday preferences, all right?
Last.fm causes this build (Gentoo Linux amd64) to eat ip all RAM&swap and crash.
uzz # Sunday, January 3, 2010 3:58:25 PM
Kamaleshkamalesh # Sunday, January 3, 2010 4:34:05 PM
Originally posted by mgillespie:
Yes, I've gotten this a few times when quitting. I get a black, blank sync window for Opera Link and it just hangs while exiting. Have for Force Quit.
Noticing some arifacting (blurring) of fonts/text when scrolling after a couple hours of use. I remember this in v9.5 testing or maybe v9.0.
Kamaleshkamalesh # Sunday, January 3, 2010 4:49:47 PM
Originally posted by arcfide:
That's the community psyche problem we have here, no? I can't really use the last production build after a new alpha comes out...it seems so...backward.
Originally posted by Ichann:
I'm noticing in the Mac build, the "loading" alert at the top-center doesn't go away...but Gmail is still fast & functional, though you're getting a few crash reports from me.
Purdi # Sunday, January 3, 2010 4:51:00 PM
Originally posted by DanielHendrycks:
How is this relevant, exactly, if you have to actually click and hold the back button to get rewind after this change?
Purdi # Sunday, January 3, 2010 4:52:39 PM
Originally posted by arekm:
With the constant whining of users who mess up things for themselves by installing pre-alphas over final versions, what makes you think Opera should have to constantly be bashed for users acting stupid?
Get a grip.
Purdi # Sunday, January 3, 2010 4:57:55 PM
Originally posted by tigas:
Did you even SEARCH before whining?
Purdi # Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:07:09 PM
Originally posted by jerobarraco:
What on earth are you talking about? Are you trolling?
Kamaleshkamalesh # Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:09:42 PM
Originally posted by Purdi:
You meant to say SCAN manually while reading, not "search"...right?
georgewiczkowski # Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:20:53 PM
Is it bug or feature? For me it's better than the previous behavior.
And big +1 for ability to search within MyOpera blogs' comments
Kamaleshkamalesh # Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:24:36 PM
Originally posted by FataL:
Hey, before pronouncing sentencing, note that the gold-standard of UI design, Safari, doesn't show any visible triangle/arrow thingies on their back/fwd buttons...they're just assuming that the lowest-common-denominator user will finally get enlightened or assisted by someone or trained or self-discover or get struck by lightening to actually remember that one can do more than just CLICK when presented with a button:
o CLICK
o right-click
o press & hold
o (use option, control, command + click)
It's not that complicated...but then again, I've seen my friends/family actually, type URLs into search engines (not after I howl/chide them when I see them do it). Typing CNN, < enter > into the Opera addr bar should not be THAT technical to remember.
Having said that, I stand by my suggestion to revert to a dynamic double-arrow when Rewind or Fast-Forward become active. The drop-down menu can be improved or labelled or maybe even split into a 2-column menu which will better show two distinct navigation options and minimize mouse travel.
Not certain yet, but I'd like to see a few test mock-ups and see how the user-experience feels.
illiad # Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:30:36 PM
How to do this??
- get www.xnview.com , and look in the cache.. (it dont need extensions, and you can see FLV inside file!!
- type into google: "download youtube"
- there is a bookmarklet somewhere....
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/search.dml?term=download+youtube&tag=&username=&exactusername=Y&mode=forum&submit=+search+&datemodifier=newer&limitdate=any&sortby=rel&disp=thread
tomassplatch # Sunday, January 3, 2010 6:16:22 PM
Video is not working for me, however. I have codecs installed (video plays well in Kaffeine).
Also, national caracters with accents (šč) are not working for me, this is what I am getting instead: ƵƹǨƻƾ
System: Arch Linux with KDEmod 4.3
Шуйский Николай [krigstask, Ŝtérkrìg]Sterkrig # Sunday, January 3, 2010 6:28:12 PM
Originally posted by tomassplatch:
Kaffeine is not in any way based on Gstreamer.
KONIKKONIKPK # Sunday, January 3, 2010 7:17:03 PM
Is there some options to send some data about this problem to you?
great work people's
Dmitryhaupa # Sunday, January 3, 2010 8:00:53 PM
Justin Forestumonkey # Sunday, January 3, 2010 8:24:14 PM
DaringineerQuadunit404 # Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:01:51 PM
Old-Nick # Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:34:33 PM
Originally posted by Sutekh:
This way it works. thanks, but I prefer to use mouse anyway.
noelneh # Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:38:14 PM
"Failed to load Unicode compatibility layer OUniAnsi.DLL because: The specified procedure could not be found."
Browser failed to load/start.
NEOAethyr # Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:38:30 PM
OUniAnsi.DLL or whatever it was called.
I had the same problem with the windows installer, but on windows 2003 sp2.
I just pushed the cancle button and the rest of the install went smoothly.
I didn't notice any problems.
I thaught some of the javascripting screw up were down to the browser being an alpha.
Pretty sure it's just the browser.
I don't think that error is anything to worry about.
noelneh # Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:41:25 PM
I had the same problem with the windows installer, but on windows 2003 sp2.
I just pushed the cancle button and the rest of the install went smoothly.
I didn't notice any problems.
I thaught some of the javascripting screw up were down to the browser being an alpha.
Pretty sure it's just the browser.
I don't think that error is anything to worry about.
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Yes, I think you could be correct as to why this 10.5 build does not load with your setup but, when the dialog box appears with this warning:
"Failed to load Unicode compatibility layer OUniAnsi.DLL because: The specified procedure could not be found."
There is no cancel button and the 'X' button is greyed out...there is just the 'OK' button to press with nothing loading.
Alexsalexs # Sunday, January 3, 2010 10:58:12 PM
Originally posted by tomassplatch:
You must install GStreamer pluginsArch Linux:
Debian:
Sebastiánslalaurette # Sunday, January 3, 2010 11:08:30 PM
Originally posted by MetalRaise:
Hey, dude, calm down. My complaint is not ridiculous. I am saying that the Opera team could restore the old functionality that is going to be superseded by the new one anyway, just as a way to have it still working in the meantime.
If you're sick, go see a doctor. Maybe you shouldn't be reading comments if they are that dangerous for your health.
MetalRaise # Sunday, January 3, 2010 11:30:50 PM
Originally posted by slalaurette:
Are you serious? Why should they spend time on moving old code to 10.50, spend even more time on bug fixing so it works with the new 10.50 branch when there's a new widget system in the making anyway? Just so you can use widgets in the "meantime"? You must be kidding, man. What exactly didn't you understand about "use Opera 10.10"?
And yes, your complaint is ridiculous, actually more than that, considering you still insist on having the old widget system back in a 10.50 development snapshot.
Sebastiánslalaurette # Sunday, January 3, 2010 11:36:17 PM
MetalRaise # Sunday, January 3, 2010 11:44:34 PM
NEOAethyr # Monday, January 4, 2010 2:08:17 AM
I believe they will implement anything and everything from v10.10 and 10.20.
If they don't, just skip the rev and wait it out.
I skipped from v9.27 to v10.10.
It's not to big of a deal, it'll be done.
And for those that think they need to moderate this blog by putting others down.
Wth dudes?
If you don't like, don't read.
@noelneh
On my os it allowed me to cancel trying to load that file, and the installer continued on by it's own afterwards.
I guess it's not the same with win 9x though.
This ver was the only ver that has done that so far.
Perhaps the next one won't have that prob.
Besides, this ver isn't one you'de want to keep anyways.
To many javascripting bugs for the most part.
Then there's the off and on problem of the pages failing to load.
If you have another os, you can install it that way.
The files you'll need to change if the partition letter is diff are in the main directory and the profile directory.
lovelyopera # Monday, January 4, 2010 2:49:41 AM
"Why is this build so much slower than the previous one?
3600 points? Slow?!
You should try the Linux version for a change and see if you can get even half of that score with your powerful multicore rig
I've found yet another major issue with the Linux build: Saving files is almost impossible with this version. The download dialog (window) doesn't appear at all.
All you can do is open files with an external program or download to the default download directory by entering the URL into the quick download box in the 'Downloads' tab.
(Opera 10.10 works fine)
ayespy # Monday, January 4, 2010 5:25:52 AM
Originally posted by slalaurette:
This would turn development workflow on its head.
As long as one is working on a solar powered vehicle, a steam engine should be included in early versions in the meantime.
senyorito # Monday, January 4, 2010 7:22:24 AM
I'm looking forward for future builds. Build that have fixed reported bugs since the release of this pre-alpha version.
tomassplatch # Monday, January 4, 2010 8:10:20 AM
Originally posted by alexs:
Sorry, my mistake. I thought I had them installed, but I was missing gstreamer0.10-good-plugins. Now everything is alright.