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Kestrel is coming!

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The last couple of months we've been working hard on the upcoming Opera 9.5 release, codename Kestrel. Opera 9.5 will contain many cool new features, improvement of existing features, and we fixed a lot of bugs. Within a few weeks we will publish 9.5 weeklies on this blog so everyone can start playing with it. party

What's new!
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After the release of Opera 9 last year, we continued the development of Opera's rendering engine for inclusion in the 9.5 release. As a result, Opera 9.5 contains more than a year of improvements on the rendering engine. This includes improved CSS3 support (text-shadow anyone bigsmile ), superior SVG support and a brand new javascript engine with support for ECMAScript 4 'getters' and 'setters'. Apart from being the best standard compliant browser, Opera 9.5 will also display even more webpages with bad coding.

User Interface
Earlier we asked our users for feedback by enabling the usage statistics. Thanks to all the feedback that we got, we now know more about which features are most popular and which ones are used less. In the Opera 9.5 user interface we made several usability improvements that make the popular features easier to access, and more consistent with other browsers.

Accessibility
Opera's zoom function has always been a very popular accessibility feature. Opera 9.5 takes a big step forward in accessibility by introducing screen reader support yes , improved keyboard navigation and more consistent keyboard shortcuts.

Platform integration
To make sure that Opera remains the best choice on your platform, we spend a lot of time making Opera feel more integrated with your platform. Mac users can expect a nice new visual look and feel. Opera for Linux will add a QT4 build, so you can easily adjust the skin to match with desktop. There will also be 64-bit Linux/FreeBSD packages made available.

Performance
If you like speed, we've got good news for you! Opera 9.5 will be much faster, both in benchmarks (and we don't have to cheat cool ) and most important: on real web pages. The user interface will also feel snappier and more responsive, for example switching tabs is now a lot faster on UNIX.

And there is so much more! beer While we're preparing the first weekly build for you, we will introduce you to more new features and changes in 9.5. Keep yourself updated!

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Comments

maniel Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:46:55 PM

what about xembed support? newest flashplugin and gnash are using it...

Claudio Santambrogiocsant Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:50:09 PM

maniel, I don't know about Gnash, but newest Flash is not really using XEmbed. See however this wink

Haavardhaavard Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:53:36 PM

Originally posted by tcfialho:

I want to see personalized installation. I want to choose with minimum installation that install only the navigator without aditional features like irc, mail, widgets, and the normal installation with all features.


We want to minimize the number of options when you install Opera, as they tend to confuse people. That is why Opera acts mostly like a standalone browser by default, and things like mail and chat need to be activated before they appear.

Originally posted by ReNoiZer:

How about open Opera engine under open source license? How about GPL?


For what reason?

This might be of interest:

http://my.opera.com/jax/blog/show.dml/24238

ThArGos Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:03:01 PM

Wow! So many good news!!! Most impressive!

Thanks for putting so much efforts! And thanks for the UNIX improvments!

Raistlin Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:43:45 PM

First of all: You are showing Opera in Vista. There is a lot problems with this OS. I can't describe it exactly, because it seems to be random... One time Opera opens page fast and everything is ok, and next time (few seconds later/even after refresh) on same page, Vista reports "program stops responding, please consult with Opera ASA".
I've tested on Vista Business 32b [PL] on my Centrino Duo Laptop/1G ram and on Vista Business 64b [PL] on my Core 2 Duo Desktop/3G RAM.
I believe it will be fixed.

Second thing: within few weeks? Wuh. Why so long? smile

Third. I've reported it some time ago - when I set "nickname" for bookmark using space sign (ie. opera beta), it doesn't work. Bug? In prevoius version it works, but now doesn't sad

metaD Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:00:42 PM

Does there is a chance that you will change default theme/skin of the Opera browser in the further release?
Yup, I know that user can easily change the look of a program if he/she don't like it but a first impression is important and I've heard few negative opinions about it. In my opinion, if you would like to increase the number of users of Opera - changing the default look will be a good idea. (Dealing with Flash problems on Linux system will be also nice ;] )

Anyway, I love this program smile

rseiler Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:42:00 PM

Originally posted by Galileo:

Also about Yahoo beta although i don't use it i understand that if it says beta then it is still in testing so i think that the opera team is waiting for a final to resolve the changes, as they worked with Live.com.


The problem with that outlook is that it's not practical. Do you know how long Yahoo Mail has been in beta? Over a year. It's basically a perpetual beta at this point, very much like Google often practices. To wait until these "beta" periods are over is to miss the point.

ReNoiZer Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:50:28 PM

haavard
I read that: http://my.opera.com/jax/blog/show.dml/24238

But I think:
If Opera Software is opening Opera(or only engine) under GPL then I'm sure Opera gain many more adherents from OpenSource system users and developers, a closer integration with opensource system

I think Presto no worse Gecko or KHTML. I think Presto better.
Opera Software an opportunity to expand business toward infusions from other companies, such as IBM, Sun, Google and other

I hope that Opera will be more open, than it is now.



DanielGEO Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:19:21 PM

"[...]for example switching tabs is now a lot faster on UNIX.[...]"

You mean we can close this thread:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=173674 ?

This would be really good news - bec. Opera is the only browser I really enjoy to use - but it was a bit disappointing under Linux because of sometimes _really_ being slow.

Look foward for Kastrel!

And, ahh... btw: Really good job sofar! :thumbsup:

Daniel

skye11 Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:46:50 PM

Been waiting patiently for Kestrel

guess I'll add a couple requests too, like everyone else

1. File Size display (in Status Bar) when hovering over link
- or else allow us to stop (cancel) a navigation (ie. using 'esc')
- there's no way to halt navigation (ie. to pdf or dwnld file) to a huge file - you have to wait till it finishes downloading or displaying. Clicking 'Backspace' or 'Back' button in the middle of the navigation causes Opera to crash every time

2. Panel Icon Editor
several Panel icons have no individualized (recognizable) icon, they're all the same green globe, making it impossible to distinguish btwn those Panel buttons at a glance - it would be great to have a Panel Icon editor (for Prsl Bar icons too) in Rt-click menu

One strange problem is that after I edited (customized) one Panel icon, it is now also being mysteriously used (borrowed) by a particular Personal Bar icon - very strange behavior.

Looking forward to next weeklie...
Thanks Opera Team smile

OPC Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:48:26 PM

A few weeks until the next weekly? I don't know if I'll make it! bomb

George MachitidzeGioMac Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:27:15 PM

To manually match desktop in current version you can use "opera -style [stylename]" command.

Raistlin Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:35:23 PM

More information assigned with my prevoius post: Opera, after hangs up, using 100% of processor (one core). Opera's window has disappeared after windows message (see above), but she has still running process in memory.

In Windows Xp is everything fine.

Huib Kleinhouthuibk Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:52:42 PM

@Raistlin:

First of all: You are showing Opera in Vista. There is a lot problems with this OS. I can't describe it exactly, because it seems to be random...


If you can reproduce the problems more consistently, we'd appreciate if you report it. The problems you see could also be related to plugins that aren't fully compatible with Vista yet.

Second thing: within few weeks? Wuh. Why so long?


We're still working on the "censored" feature wink

Third. I've reported it some time ago - when I set "nickname" for bookmark using space sign (ie. opera beta), it doesn't work. Bug? In prevoius version it works, but now doesn't


Thanks for your report, we fixed this in 9.5! smile

rseiler Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:35:26 PM

Originally posted by huibk:

If you can reproduce the problems more consistently, we'd appreciate if you report it. The problems you see could also be related to plugins that aren't fully compatible with Vista yet.


Please don't tell me that no one in this thread has submitted a report:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=176423

Since I came to the thread late (it started last winter), I naturally assumed that both issues had been reported several times over. If there was a searchable bug database, I could have verified that.

Uwe aka JaDaJada0007 Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:59:34 PM


First of all: You are showing Opera in Vista. There is a lot problems with this OS. I can't describe it exactly, because it seems to be random... One time Opera opens page fast and everything is ok, and next time (few seconds later/even after refresh) on same page, Vista reports "program stops responding, please consult with Opera ASA".



@Raistlin

The problem is Microsoft and VISTA and not Opera. Replace VISTA, using opensource Unix/Linux und you will be feel much happier wink

ChristianResearchWizard Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:02:43 PM

Filip007: you can use a more space efficient skin like Opera Standard Compact Edition, TTT-Minibright or Breeze Simplified MICRO and you can set toolbar zoom to something below 100% (Tools - Appearance - Skin - Icon Size)

Artur „Jurgi” JurgawkaJurgi Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:42:28 PM

I hope for the user interface to be at least as responsive as in Opera 8. UI responsibility while rendering page is OWFUL in Opera 9!

ChristianResearchWizard Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:04:33 PM

Filip007, I don't know Maya and I'm too lazy to search it.
If you just want to have a multiple line personal bar you can choose on right click: customize (should show dialog tab Toolbars + yellow border around personal bar) - Wrapping: Wrap to multiple lines.

Actually I kind of remember an option to limit the number of lines for this, but I don't know where right now and I'm not sure about this. Anyone else here?

rseiler Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:53:24 PM

Originally posted by Jada0007:

The problem is Microsoft and VISTA and not Opera. Replace VISTA, using opensource Unix/Linux und you will be feel much happier


Good thing you put a smiley after that, else some might take such nutty statements seriously. Smileys do serve a purpose after all.

WhineWhine Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:59:33 PM

Originally posted by metaD:

Does there is a chance that you will change default theme/skin of the Opera browser in the further release?


Just because a couple of people don't like it? You'll always have someone who will complain about the default skin. You can't keep changing it just because someone is unhappy with it.

illiad Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:35:41 PM

you can go here and change your skin, instantly...

http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/

what is so difficult????

ChristianResearchWizard Monday, June 25, 2007 12:05:22 AM

illiad: there are many reasons for a change of the default skin:
  • lots of the skins have problems, especially with contrast of tab color + background
  • not everybody knows or cares about what could be done and how easy it is (and what problems can arise)
  • some change of the default skin will raise attention (positive and negative) and will give some new feeling (to prevent to become bored ;-)
  • other UIs also change, there is Vista, Ubuntu and a new style on Mac - it would be good to fit in their default UIs/skins (what a task to fit them all together - probably different skins for different OSs would make sense, as there is a (told to be) nice native skin for Mac) - my idea is that overall style and taste change in the applications - slowly but for sure


Besides that you're right of course :-)

PS: actually I expect a change in Opera's default skin(s)

Octavio Alvarezalvarezp Monday, June 25, 2007 12:54:31 AM

"Of course we've been very busy making improvements in M2 as well. The upcoming weeks we'll post some more details about changes in the browser and M2. important keywords: performance and stability. Stay tuned!"

--Huibk.

Dierk HaasisEvo2Me Monday, June 25, 2007 8:53:38 AM

Colour Management!

How about it, any possibility of seeing it in the near future [without going to Safari]?

serious Monday, June 25, 2007 9:00:38 AM

can't wait for the first 9.5 weekly

e: are the bars moveable? I guessed so, as the view bar is at the bottom and outside the page (whereas in op9 it is inside the page). or did you simply place the stuff in another bar, that's located outside?

Nilshaystack baloon Monday, June 25, 2007 9:02:44 AM

Having problems with postbanken.no Rendeers fine at work with 9.21 on xp pro.
But at home it's messed up eith opera 9.21 and xp pro.

Have tryed to uninstalll and reinstall... no go.

Is this something to do with me downloading from desktop team?

Is there som sort of clean up before install procedure?

Have tried to delete programdata...

Maybe it has something to do with me always downloading the newest beta and just upgrading. instead of haveing beta installed to a diffrent folder....

Sorry for the bad englihs :-)

RSD Monday, June 25, 2007 9:24:25 AM

serious

You can move the bars in every Opera up, down, left and right.

Tuttle Monday, June 25, 2007 10:07:43 AM

Great news, can't wait to play with it.

GroovyMicky Monday, June 25, 2007 10:24:21 AM

I hope you will fix the selection bug. Double click these words for test: "opera" [opera] (opera) ... notice wrong selection!

Martins-valve Monday, June 25, 2007 10:26:57 AM

nice, but please enhance the e-mail module, too.

nicname Monday, June 25, 2007 10:28:06 AM

Ohh nooo Please not like other browsers !!!

opera is different !!!!


but the other improvements sound great !

pincopallino Monday, June 25, 2007 10:32:01 AM

Please, please, some more info about the email client. What about the long awaited server-side rules, delete attachments, empty trash on exit etc.? Are they finally coming or shall we have to wait for yet another main update?

Hans Bendiksenhansbendiksen Monday, June 25, 2007 11:11:26 AM

Somebody is already surfing the web with Opera 9.50!
http://my.opera.com/hansbendiksen/blog/2007/06/25/opera-9-50-is-already-crawling-the-web

The website is www.nordicrecords.no

GroovyMicky Monday, June 25, 2007 11:12:19 AM

Chat - List rooms is not working on some irc servers (9.2x).

serious Monday, June 25, 2007 11:50:39 AM

oops, really only set to bottom. thought the bar is further "outside" (innest is page with it's bars, then personal bar and so on) than it is current and that was my mistake.

illiad Monday, June 25, 2007 12:13:47 PM

nicname: what is the problem with being as good as or better than other browsers??

- if you see a guy that is *very popular* with everybody, you mean you dont want to be like him???

ResearchWizard: yes, but if Opera then changes the 'default skin' will not the *same* problems arise??? problems will always arise, but as it is 'whithin the opera site' it can be solved quickly!(it takes 2 secs to change skin, less if you just delete the bad file..smile ) - and there are more important things, like flash compatability...

Gölök Zoltán Leenderdt Franco BudayOrff Monday, June 25, 2007 12:17:51 PM

Germany in this Flikr Censorship issue has been also accused of being able to watch internet users click per click, will this browser's personal security be comprimised by China, Singapore, Germany or any other authoritarian regime?
This is a major consern for someone like me, a philosophical Libertarian and Activist of the Canadian Libertarian Party and supporter and promoter of the Opera Browser, I like to limit conflicts in my life. Also filters and censors of sites and surfs and isps of state and other collectives.

big brother
Censorship of Images by Yahoo for Germany, China and Singapore.

FavDjiXas Monday, June 25, 2007 12:36:14 PM

hansbendiksen, old news. It's been at least 3 months or more...

Luchio Monday, June 25, 2007 12:38:16 PM

@illiad

Why should the default skin NOT be changed? If everybody changes it, then there might be a problem with it, don't you think? Also, change is good once in a while. I however agree that this might have to wait until the next major release (i.e. 10.0).

@Orff

You are quite off-topic. Web browsers can't do much about web censorship since that is done at the DNS level (Domain Name Server). The only thing that can be done against country censorship is to use a proxy that is outside of your country. Opera already allows you to use proxies.

illiad Monday, June 25, 2007 12:47:03 PM

Luchio: it is the devs you need to ask about that.. I guess they are very busy working on more important things, like how well the browser works..

Orff: yes, asking the browser to provide privacy is like closing the curtains in the morning naked, hoping no-one will see - instead of closing them before you get ready for bed at night! bigsmile bigsmile

ChristianResearchWizard Monday, June 25, 2007 12:56:13 PM

Originally posted by ResearchWizard:

  • lots of the skins have problems, especially with contrast of tab color + background
  • not everybody knows or cares about what could be done and how easy it is (and what problems can arise)
  • some change of the default skin will raise attention (positive and negative) and will give some new feeling (to prevent to become bored ;-)
  • other UIs also change, there is Vista, Ubuntu and a new style on Mac - it would be good to fit in their default UIs/skins (what a task to fit them all together - probably different skins for different OSs would make sense, as there is a (told to be) nice native skin for Mac) - my idea is that overall style and taste change in the applications - slowly but for sure


Originally posted by illiad:

ResearchWizard: yes, but if Opera then changes the 'default skin' will not the *same* problems arise??? problems will always arise, but as it is 'whithin the opera site' it can be solved quickly!(it takes 2 secs to change skin, less if you just delete the bad file.. ) - and there are more important things, like flash compatability...


The default skin is much more careful designed including quality management and adapted to new versions of Opera if needed - so I don't see the problems of my first point arise .
And I don't see my other points affected by your question (except that the time will come that the new default skin would have to be renewed some time again). They are especially against your argument that the skin could easily be changed.

I agree that there are more important things to do for the browser and there are also less important points. I think a change of the default skin is essential to spread Opera within the next two years.

illiad Monday, June 25, 2007 1:02:28 PM

ResearchWizard: so new default skins are more important than:

- a better user interface??

- solving the VISTA problems??

- CSS3, SVG, better JS??

- better screen features??

- 64 bit, better linux support??

I think many will beg to differ.....

Luchio Monday, June 25, 2007 1:10:49 PM

Well, the default skin is the first impression you get of the browser, so it is at least as important as all the stuff you listed.

ChristianResearchWizard Monday, June 25, 2007 1:14:57 PM

illiad, please take the effort and read my comments before replying

Originally posted by ResearchWizard:

I agree that there are more important things to do for the browser

illiad Monday, June 25, 2007 1:24:11 PM

erm, it is you who keeps pushing it...

Thorsten MeyerNordlicht Monday, June 25, 2007 1:33:25 PM

I hope that the back mouse gesture will work again after
browsing a site from the speeddial.

Daniel G. Blázquezyakichan Monday, June 25, 2007 2:13:32 PM

cool!

Dan Schulz Monday, June 25, 2007 3:39:24 PM

Sweet. I can't wait to test this out. smile

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