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By olli. Friday, May 5, 2006 1:50:03 PM

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As it's only a couple of days since last weekly we decided to wait a bit more with a new Weekly to improve the widget UI more.
There are also some bugs that makes it not so painless to release right now :-)


Known issues in internal build
  • Opera doesn't want to load my.opera.com


:-p

New weeklyWeekly

Comments

RamūnasRamunas Friday, May 5, 2006 1:56:34 PM

That`s OK smile

I`m first again bigsmile

Alexis DeveriaFyrd Friday, May 5, 2006 1:57:56 PM

Aww. Well, thanks for the early update.smile

WildEnte Friday, May 5, 2006 2:00:11 PM

and why did you tag that entry with "kitchensink"?

So when will you implement improved contact management? *g*

shadowKshadowk Friday, May 5, 2006 2:00:18 PM

this weekly thing is getting rather chaotic...we don;t know when to drop in ..to get the newest builds anymore....from mid-weeklies to weeklies.......

but no mather as long as you post the newest build soon wink

olli Friday, May 5, 2006 2:07:11 PM

WildEnte :-p

chrislu Friday, May 5, 2006 2:08:11 PM

new builds always welcome, but take your time...

...and don't waste it on widgets wink *scnr*

Szőts Ákosszotsaki2 Friday, May 5, 2006 2:08:27 PM

Hmmmm bigsmile

My.opera.com? Not bad... bigsmile

KryptoKnightAleksOD Friday, May 5, 2006 2:16:40 PM

Dear Opera. Take your time. We need perfection, just like in all previous versions wink

Sykora Skywavesykora Friday, May 5, 2006 2:21:43 PM

I agree. But how can Opera refuse to load my.opera.com?

olli Friday, May 5, 2006 2:28:06 PM

sykora: It can freeze f.ex due to a bug :-)

shoover Friday, May 5, 2006 2:37:41 PM

@shadowk -- Subscribe to the RSS feed. You'll get notified multiple times (bug # whatever), but at least you'll get notified. bigsmile

Egorgorsov Friday, May 5, 2006 2:40:08 PM

Is development team aware of a minor email/MIME problem? I saw in 8393 some changes regarding the very same problem (nice formatting for email delivery-status report), but it is a bit different one.

Diegodiegososa Friday, May 5, 2006 2:50:40 PM

"Opera doesn't want to load my.opera.com"

...

Wierd :\

Ahui886 Friday, May 5, 2006 2:54:27 PM

that's ok

Kyle Bakerkyleabaker Friday, May 5, 2006 3:00:36 PM

@shoover
lmao, thats hilarious. anyone keeping up with these posts will like that joke, lol.

@olli
seriously, we want you guys to take your time. even tho we're anxiously waiting for the next build (or is it just me, lol, i'm speaking for everyone here), we really do appreciate the work you guys put into these builds. wink

oh, lol, and whats the "kitchensink" tag for again? bigsmile ...cleaning out the bugs, haha. good luck with my.opera.com

EDIT:
one more thing, next build, it might be alittle less chaotic if we are guided into things to test and look for. I also like very descriptive changelogs bigsmile

Matic Friday, May 5, 2006 3:04:10 PM

Please, do not mess with MY.Opera... ((:

Regards

Bill PBill_P Friday, May 5, 2006 3:13:50 PM

Not to be repetative, but to be repetative - I'm one (amongst many) who is ambivalent regarding widgets except in the case were it appears that they have become the focus of the developers work. I know we all have our wants/wishes/dreams but there is so much more that could be done, especially with m2, that would have a much greater affect on our internet experiences.


PS - the stability of the weeklys' is pretty amazing

thanks,

Jakub81 Friday, May 5, 2006 3:16:18 PM

So when the new weekly will be released?

WillYum Friday, May 5, 2006 3:19:37 PM

The phrase often used regarding kitchen sinks is:

Everything but the kitchen sink

So, taking a stab at the meaning here. This Opera release has everything but the kitchen sink (aka my.opera.com).

Yum

olli Friday, May 5, 2006 3:23:09 PM

Bill_P: Well not releasing a weekly now is a proof of we not just focusing on Widgets. The reason is we are fixing alot of core stuff in the same time and that causes sometimes regressions..Today a regression hit my.opera.com besides many other sites

You might get the impression we are all working on Widgets here, but thats not the case.. We have people working on all parts of the code. Mail aswell..

The stability would not be amazing if we only worked on Widgets would it? :-p

Jakub81: Next week :-p

Johan Borgborg Friday, May 5, 2006 3:26:04 PM

Olli: Sure, stability would be perfect if we didn't create regressions all over the place p

But seriously, Widgets is high on the visibility because there are important visible changes there from build to build. Most of our work is fixing bugs, bugs and bugs. That isn't as fun to discuss as new features, but it's where most of our energy is spent wink

olli Friday, May 5, 2006 3:31:24 PM

borg == developer
olli==qa
Now who is creating the regressions? :-D

Egorgorsov Friday, May 5, 2006 3:36:17 PM

Sincere Thanks to all the developers and support staff, we really do appreciate fixing of bugs, sometimes it is even more important than new exciting features smile .

linux3114a Friday, May 5, 2006 3:40:23 PM

opera bugs Verion 9.0 build 256
-------------------------------
Always the same problem. I cannot validate the speed of my connection required by this site to play streaming video ????

STRANGE..On the same machine work fine with Firefox 1.5.0.2
SuSE 10.0 KDE 3.5.2 connection ADSL via router

joins the address of this site :

http://videos.tf1.fr/video/?trk=1&e=2

Raoul

FataL Friday, May 5, 2006 3:43:01 PM

@Olli, @Borg: yeah, I know some regressions from Opera 7 and even 6... p wink

Tim AltmanJunyor Friday, May 5, 2006 3:57:08 PM

FWIW, there's one full-time developer dedicated to Widgets, plus another helping out for the time being. When you consider there's dozens of developers working on Opera at any given time, two is nothing. There's a lot going on that might not be apparent, including work on the next big release of Opera (yes, we start this early).

The reason that it seems like everyone is working on Widgets is because the changes they're making are highly visible. Plus, Widgets are pretty much the only new feature getting major changes at the moment. The rest of the changes are bug fixes and polish.

mecki Friday, May 5, 2006 4:03:13 PM

@junyor
well, actually there could be some other major fixes done on M2, for example text formatting (html).

take your time. we want a perfect opera 9! ;-)

MisterE Friday, May 5, 2006 4:03:53 PM

@linux3114a: it works fine on WinXP, build 8393

Tim AltmanJunyor Friday, May 5, 2006 4:05:15 PM

@mecki: We've already stated that Opera 9 will not be able to compose HTML mails.

chrislu Friday, May 5, 2006 4:20:06 PM

nice infos guys.
but using allmost all opera9 weeklys there are bugs that i report (again and again) but nothing changes.

for instance:
http://www.nme.com/ (site unusable)
these are sites that work perfectly with opera 8.x.

or more important site editor http://typo3.com/ (we use this system for our websites at the university) the typo3 stuff is unusable with opera because the richtext editor does not work and context menus are not shown. VERY big problem.

but i dont know a free site where you can try typo3 site editing.

Jakub81 Friday, May 5, 2006 4:55:03 PM

Maybe they are working on the mysterious "Go to Content Magic" thing smile Will it be in Opera 10? wink

Kenneth Crudupkennycrudup Friday, May 5, 2006 5:32:02 PM

I can only hope the "can't load my.opera.com" is somehow related to the bug I'd filed, where you have to reload my.opera.com (and many other sites, but this is the most glaring example) multiple times just to get it to render correctly. Just visiting this page to look at the talkback I had to hit "F5" three times, otherwise the avatars were all jumbled with the text and the page was unreadable.

(Considering I've been seeing this since the early 8-series betas, I'm surprised "nobody else" (at least in the Beta forum, from the search I'd done) had seen this.)

HalfByte Friday, May 5, 2006 6:19:27 PM

hi there!
nice build, but dont spend to much time on those widgets, please focus on m2!

bexs Friday, May 5, 2006 6:30:40 PM

Hm awful widgets.

Concentrate on fixing rendering bugs and implementing new standards to keep pace with FF.

Dozens of developers and Opera is still not able to open pop-ups correctly in windows mode? Or to continue loading the site after going backwards in history after a link has been clicked? Or to use "max connections" settings on local proxies?
Essential things that every browser supports, except Opera.

chrislu Friday, May 5, 2006 6:42:36 PM

to add a problem that is there since the first public v9.
www.imageshack.us
uploading fails 99% of the time. small pictures must be uploaded twice to get over the upload screen.

Paul SkinnerPaulSkinner Friday, May 5, 2006 6:44:10 PM

Who says we don't want to see your f*ck ups as well as your perfect coding?

C'mon, let us all have a laugh...

chrislu Friday, May 5, 2006 6:44:24 PM

@bexs:
you are totally right. these things are so annoying. try going back in the history while the current site was not ready loaded and then forward the site wont load further than before.

www.nenelinux.tk ®nenericardo Friday, May 5, 2006 6:53:45 PM

I don´t like the new manage of the wigets sad

Alexis DeveriaFyrd Friday, May 5, 2006 6:57:39 PM

@Junyor

Thanks for the clarification on how things work over there, helps put things in perspective. smile Now I'm just curious about what features are planned for the 'next big release'... bigeyes

chaimav Friday, May 5, 2006 7:08:12 PM

@Fyrd:
World domination.

Burakburmaci2000 Friday, May 5, 2006 7:12:25 PM

By chrislu, # 5. May 2006, 18:42:36
to add a problem that is there since the first public v9.
www.imageshack.us
uploading fails 99% of the time. small pictures must be uploaded twice to get over the upload screen.

please correct it sad

Alexis DeveriaFyrd Friday, May 5, 2006 7:12:52 PM

@chaimav

Nah, then Opera'd just be accused of copying IE (and perhaps Firefox). wink

Paul SkinnerPaulSkinner Friday, May 5, 2006 7:17:25 PM

@chaimav:
But will it be enabled by default?
If it's opt in, then it's world domination by choice...
Is that better Fyrd?

Alexis DeveriaFyrd Friday, May 5, 2006 7:20:56 PM

@Paul Skinner

Hey, excellent plan! Are you listening developers?

Kyle Bakerkyleabaker Friday, May 5, 2006 7:37:43 PM

found an annoyance with javascript tooltips, like the ones on this site...
http://javascript.about.com/library/bltip1.htm

the tag that pops up when you hover over a link blocks the javascript tooltips, is there anyway that opera could shift either the javascript tooltip or the tag that pops up with the hyperlink url out of the way and line them up so they look nice? it's very annoying, ugly and i can't read the tips.

heres a pic...
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6565/tooltip0wm.png

ŁukaszDro77naR Friday, May 5, 2006 8:13:04 PM

Known issues in internal build
Opera doesn't want to load my.opera.com



I thought it's a joke wink
Can you imagine - IE doesn't want to load www.microsoft.com? Heaven on earth p

tjeerd Friday, May 5, 2006 8:35:11 PM

After installing build 8393 java applets did not work anymore. After searching a long time i found that the reason was that opera.jar in \classes was missing. Because i installed this build over the previous version and in that version java worked definitely, the file must me deleted during the install procedure.

Now you are delaying the new weekly, there is maybe time to look at the installation procedure

Louis C.LouisC Friday, May 5, 2006 8:38:26 PM

Dro77naR: you just reminded me of the Bork edition of Opera 7... Good times, good times smile

shadowKshadowk Friday, May 5, 2006 8:50:59 PM

@shoover
i have an eye on this post wink and opera is feeding me with news every chance it gets wink

Ohh and stop blaiming widgets ppl...they are a good thing

ŁukaszDro77naR Friday, May 5, 2006 8:53:11 PM

LouisC: I didn't use that version of Opera, but I red something about it wink I hope new weekly of Opera will show my.opera.com correctly. Not in the


the language of the famous Swedish Chef from the Muppet Show: Bork, Bork, Bork!



To be serious - Opera Team - take your time and create something really good and stable smile Good luck.

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