Opera Desktop Team

Work Work Work

By olli. Friday, 5. May 2006, 13:50:03

As it's only a couple of days since last weekly we decided to wait a bit more with a new Weekly to improve the widget UI more.
There are also some bugs that makes it not so painless to release right now :-)

Known issues in internal build

Opera doesn't want to load my.opera.com

:-p

New weeklyWeekly

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Ramunas # 5. May 2006, 13:56

That`s OK

I`m first again

Fyrd # 5. May 2006, 13:57

Aww. Well, thanks for the early update.

WildEnte # 5. May 2006, 14:00

and why did you tag that entry with "kitchensink"?

So when will you implement improved contact management? *g*

shadowk # 5. May 2006, 14:00

this weekly thing is getting rather chaotic...we don;t know when to drop in ..to get the newest builds anymore....from mid-weeklies to weeklies.......

but no mather as long as you post the newest build soon

olli # 5. May 2006, 14:07

WildEnte :-p

chrislu # 5. May 2006, 14:08

new builds always welcome, but take your time...

...and don't waste it on widgets

*scnr*

szotsaki2 # 5. May 2006, 14:08

Hmmmm

My.opera.com? Not bad...

AleksOD # 5. May 2006, 14:16

Dear Opera. Take your time. We need perfection, just like in all previous versions

sykora # 5. May 2006, 14:21

I agree. But how can Opera refuse to load my.opera.com?

olli # 5. May 2006, 14:28

sykora: It can freeze f.ex due to a bug :-)

shoover # 5. May 2006, 14:37

@shadowk -- Subscribe to the RSS feed. You'll get notified multiple times (bug # whatever), but at least you'll get notified.

gorsov # 5. May 2006, 14:40

Is development team aware of a minor email/MIME problem? I saw in 8393 some changes regarding the very same problem (nice formatting for email delivery-status report), but it is a bit different one.

diegososa # 5. May 2006, 14:50

"Opera doesn't want to load my.opera.com"

...

Wierd :\

Ahui886 # 5. May 2006, 14:54

that's ok

kyleabaker # 5. May 2006, 15:00

@shoover
lmao, thats hilarious. anyone keeping up with these posts will like that joke, lol.

@olli
seriously, we want you guys to take your time. even tho we're anxiously waiting for the next build (or is it just me, lol, i'm speaking for everyone here), we really do appreciate the work you guys put into these builds.

oh, lol, and whats the "kitchensink" tag for again?

...cleaning out the bugs, haha. good luck with my.opera.com

EDIT:
one more thing, next build, it might be alittle less chaotic if we are guided into things to test and look for. I also like very descriptive changelogs

Matic # 5. May 2006, 15:04

Please, do not mess with MY.Opera... ((:

Regards

Bill_P # 5. May 2006, 15:13

Not to be repetative, but to be repetative - I'm one (amongst many) who is ambivalent regarding widgets except in the case were it appears that they have become the focus of the developers work. I know we all have our wants/wishes/dreams but there is so much more that could be done, especially with m2, that would have a much greater affect on our internet experiences.

PS - the stability of the weeklys' is pretty amazing

thanks,

Jakub81 # 5. May 2006, 15:16

So when the new weekly will be released?

WillYum # 5. May 2006, 15:19

The phrase often used regarding kitchen sinks is:

Everything but the kitchen sink

So, taking a stab at the meaning here. This Opera release has everything but the kitchen sink (aka my.opera.com).

Yum

olli # 5. May 2006, 15:23

Bill_P: Well not releasing a weekly now is a proof of we not just focusing on Widgets. The reason is we are fixing alot of core stuff in the same time and that causes sometimes regressions..Today a regression hit my.opera.com besides many other sites

You might get the impression we are all working on Widgets here, but thats not the case.. We have people working on all parts of the code. Mail aswell..

The stability would not be amazing if we only worked on Widgets would it? :-p

Jakub81: Next week :-p

borg # 5. May 2006, 15:26

Olli: Sure, stability would be perfect if we didn't create regressions all over the place

But seriously, Widgets is high on the visibility because there are important visible changes there from build to build. Most of our work is fixing bugs, bugs and bugs. That isn't as fun to discuss as new features, but it's where most of our energy is spent

olli # 5. May 2006, 15:31

borg == developer
olli==qa
Now who is creating the regressions? :-D

gorsov # 5. May 2006, 15:36

Sincere Thanks to all the developers and support staff, we really do appreciate fixing of bugs, sometimes it is even more important than new exciting features

linux3114a # 5. May 2006, 15:40

opera bugs Verion 9.0 build 256
-------------------------------
Always the same problem. I cannot validate the speed of my connection required by this site to play streaming video ????

STRANGE..On the same machine work fine with Firefox 1.5.0.2
SuSE 10.0 KDE 3.5.2 connection ADSL via router

joins the address of this site :

http://videos.tf1.fr/video/?trk=1&e=2

Raoul

FataL # 5. May 2006, 15:43

@Olli, @Borg: yeah, I know some regressions from Opera 7 and even 6...

Junyor # 5. May 2006, 15:57

FWIW, there's one full-time developer dedicated to Widgets, plus another helping out for the time being. When you consider there's dozens of developers working on Opera at any given time, two is nothing. There's a lot going on that might not be apparent, including work on the next big release of Opera (yes, we start this early).

The reason that it seems like everyone is working on Widgets is because the changes they're making are highly visible. Plus, Widgets are pretty much the only new feature getting major changes at the moment. The rest of the changes are bug fixes and polish.

mecki # 5. May 2006, 16:03

@junyor
well, actually there could be some other major fixes done on M2, for example text formatting (html).

take your time. we want a perfect opera 9! ;-)

MisterE # 5. May 2006, 16:03

@linux3114a: it works fine on WinXP, build 8393

Junyor # 5. May 2006, 16:05

@mecki: We've already stated that Opera 9 will not be able to compose HTML mails.

chrislu # 5. May 2006, 16:20

nice infos guys.
but using allmost all opera9 weeklys there are bugs that i report (again and again) but nothing changes.

for instance:
http://www.nme.com/ (site unusable)
these are sites that work perfectly with opera 8.x.

or more important site editor http://typo3.com/ (we use this system for our websites at the university) the typo3 stuff is unusable with opera because the richtext editor does not work and context menus are not shown. VERY big problem.

but i dont know a free site where you can try typo3 site editing.

Jakub81 # 5. May 2006, 16:55

Maybe they are working on the mysterious "Go to Content Magic" thing

Will it be in Opera 10?

kennycrudup # 5. May 2006, 17:32

I can only hope the "can't load my.opera.com" is somehow related to the bug I'd filed, where you have to reload my.opera.com (and many other sites, but this is the most glaring example) multiple times just to get it to render correctly. Just visiting this page to look at the talkback I had to hit "F5" three times, otherwise the avatars were all jumbled with the text and the page was unreadable.

(Considering I've been seeing this since the early 8-series betas, I'm surprised "nobody else" (at least in the Beta forum, from the search I'd done) had seen this.)

HalfByte # 5. May 2006, 18:19

hi there!
nice build, but dont spend to much time on those widgets, please focus on m2!

bexs # 5. May 2006, 18:30

Hm awful widgets.

Concentrate on fixing rendering bugs and implementing new standards to keep pace with FF.

Dozens of developers and Opera is still not able to open pop-ups correctly in windows mode? Or to continue loading the site after going backwards in history after a link has been clicked? Or to use "max connections" settings on local proxies?
Essential things that every browser supports, except Opera.

chrislu # 5. May 2006, 18:42

to add a problem that is there since the first public v9.
www.imageshack.us
uploading fails 99% of the time. small pictures must be uploaded twice to get over the upload screen.

Paul Skinner # 5. May 2006, 18:44

Who says we don't want to see your f*ck ups as well as your perfect coding?

C'mon, let us all have a laugh...

chrislu # 5. May 2006, 18:44

@bexs:
you are totally right. these things are so annoying. try going back in the history while the current site was not ready loaded and then forward the site wont load further than before.

nenericardo # 5. May 2006, 18:53

I don´t like the new manage of the wigets

Fyrd # 5. May 2006, 18:57

@Junyor

Thanks for the clarification on how things work over there, helps put things in perspective.

Now I'm just curious about what features are planned for the 'next big release'...

chaimav # 5. May 2006, 19:08

@Fyrd:
World domination.

burmaci2000 # 5. May 2006, 19:12

By chrislu, # 5. May 2006, 18:42:36
to add a problem that is there since the first public v9.
www.imageshack.us
uploading fails 99% of the time. small pictures must be uploaded twice to get over the upload screen.

please correct it

Fyrd # 5. May 2006, 19:12

@chaimav

Nah, then Opera'd just be accused of copying IE (and perhaps Firefox).

Paul Skinner # 5. May 2006, 19:17

@chaimav:
But will it be enabled by default?
If it's opt in, then it's world domination by choice...
Is that better Fyrd?

Fyrd # 5. May 2006, 19:20

@Paul Skinner

Hey, excellent plan! Are you listening developers?

kyleabaker # 5. May 2006, 19:37

found an annoyance with javascript tooltips, like the ones on this site...
http://javascript.about.com/library/bltip1.htm

the tag that pops up when you hover over a link blocks the javascript tooltips, is there anyway that opera could shift either the javascript tooltip or the tag that pops up with the hyperlink url out of the way and line them up so they look nice? it's very annoying, ugly and i can't read the tips.

heres a pic...
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6565/tooltip0wm.png

Dro77naR # 5. May 2006, 20:13

Known issues in internal build
Opera doesn't want to load my.opera.com

I thought it's a joke

Can you imagine - IE doesn't want to load www.microsoft.com? Heaven on earth

tjeerd # 5. May 2006, 20:35

After installing build 8393 java applets did not work anymore. After searching a long time i found that the reason was that opera.jar in \classes was missing. Because i installed this build over the previous version and in that version java worked definitely, the file must me deleted during the install procedure.

Now you are delaying the new weekly, there is maybe time to look at the installation procedure