Opera Dragonfly

panel = the thing at the bottom?
tiling horizontal doesn't make that much sense imho, vertical would be better

Yes the thing at the bottom. Vertical tiling would certainly be nicer on widescreens (like my laptop). That would be fairly simple change for Opera Dragonfly, but would need more desktop integration work.

ideal solution would be a 5 state switch (there won't be a single solution everyone will like):
0 = detached, 1 = attached, on top, 2 = attached, on right, 3 = bottom, 4 = left

Updated the address in Opera:config works beautifully. This is the perfect way to keep current with what you guys are up to.

Thank you!

Would it be possible to implement DF so that it remembers state of the tabs.

Atm. if I'm writing to the command line and then I have to check something from the DOM-tab, everything I have written disappears. It would be neat if I could just switch tabs without losing any of the stuff I've written.
Although I guess I could just execute unfinished commands and then switch tabs and edit the command I just ran...

Originally posted by larskl:

there won't be a single solution everyone will like

Agreed. Also, Dragonfly should remember state. If I detach it and reopen it, it should remember where it was opened before. This is a little weird since they changed the actions however.

Partially on topic, this df button does not work. It should Open dragonfly on first click and close it on second click. However, open works but close does not.

opera:/button/Attach Developer Tools Window,,,"Dragonfly","DOM Console" | Close Developer Tools Window,,,"Close Dragonfly","Close page"

I'm not sure if this is how you meant it, but I'm guessing this is a bug.
I have a button (same one that fearphage mentioned) that opens dragonfly and clicking it twice will open two instances of it.

Perhaps you could change the code so that attempting to open dragonfly a second time would prompt you to close it...


~val~

I like Dragonfly in new window as it was in the first Dragon-snapshot. My screen is only 17'.

Although I have Opera enabled to auto-update Dragonfly I only get Dragonfly Version: 0.7, Revision Number: 08.06.02.16.09.

DOM and CSS view stopped working in detached state, which is quite annoying, think I have to degrade.

Like zoquete I prefer Dragonfly much more in own window/second monitor.

Originally posted by zoquete:

I like Dragonfly in new window as it was in the first Dragon-snapshot.

Strangely, the button controls where Opera opens. Here are some buttons for you.

Zoquete: You can still have it in a new window, Press the button in the top right hand side, next to the close button.

Great buttons, one click less to detach

@dstorey
The close button (next to the window pop-out/in button) is not working here. Should it be working yet?

Kyle: works for me. What version of Opera are you using? I'm using the latest weekly, that I linked to, on Mac. It could be a platform specific problem if you're running the latest weekly.

I'm using the latest weekly:
Unix 9.5.1997 x86_64

It must be a platform specific problem then, should I file a bug report about the behavior for Opera 9.5? I'm not aware of a similar bug or report that may have already been filed.

Kyle: sure, thanks!

David,
Right before I was about to submit the bug report it mysteriously started working. I do know that something is not right though. I'm going to try to reproduce the bug again and see if I can pin-point why it wasn't working earlier.

0 = detached, 1 = attached, on top, 2 = attached, on right, 3 = bottom, 4 = left

I woild use bottom and right states personally.

I have Linux and option "Showe close button on each tab" unchecked.

Why do You make a special area in Opera window to put there Dragonfly window? Why Dragonfly window can't be in area for page windows? Are you Firefox or Opera?

can't use dragonfly behind a firewall. in general opera takes a huge amount of time (or fails alltogether) on ssl sites to load, behind a firewall.

don't know if that's a ssl or firewall issue.

Originally posted by Big_Z:

Why Dragonfly window can't be in area for page windows?

I've heard several rumors that the functionality will also be worked into a tab form. We will have to wait to see if this rumor materializes. For now, I'm partial to the panel view..since I used to be forced to use Firebug, it's easy for me to get used to Dragonfly this way.

Originally posted by Big_Z:

Are you Firefox or Opera?

Rest assured, this is indeed Opera. It should say so in the window title unless you've changed it.

I think the default windows heights in detached mode need some work, currently the script window and the source window are way too thin.

also it should remember the various windows heights upon exit, so people don't need to resize the windows every time to their needs.

Hmm, I reloaded the new weekly, and now everything is working OK in detached mode. DOM-view is working again.

Also the buttons of Fearphage helped a lot. The problems were caused by launching Dragonfly, resize the source window and then detach.

Directly detaching works better.

Are buttons changed, added or updated every release?
Maybe it's nice to have a link on this page to a page with a collection of tools/buttons and other DragonFly support. Or put those buttons here in the right sidebar.

Otherwise it's impossible for new/inexperienced users to find it.

Also i find navigation on this site difficult, I don't see a clear link on every page to the startpage or latest post of this blog.
Maybe you can make the logo link to http://my.opera.com/dragonfly/blog/

Jan: The buttons are unoffical, but Opera 9.5 changed the commands for how Dragonfly opens and closes, which is why they broke for this release. We'll probably have a more offical button or menu item when Dragonfly matures further.

The logo should link to the homepage of the blog, but its an unfortunate bug in MyOpera. Hopefully this can be fixed in due course.

I do like the new docking functionality although it is only partially solving the issue. The dragonfly window is attached to the opera window. I would like it to be attached to the tab so i can open dragonfly in context (ie. it knows the tab it is on already aka no drop down to select tab) and switch to other tabs that don't have dragonfly open. Is this something we can look forward to?

The dragonfly window is attached to the opera window. I would like it to attach to the tab.

The current solution is considered as a quick hack to get it somehow in the browser window, but the plan is to implement it in the way as you're asking for.

For fun or any reason, shoust showed me a little jewel to use two df's at the same time. Change your dev tools url to this:

data:text/html,<html><frameset cols="50%,50%"><frame src="https://dragonfly.opera.com/app/" /><frame src="https://dragonfly.opera.com/app/weekly/" /></frameset></html>

In the configuration above you get the stable (left) along side the weekly (right). However you could swap both or either of the urls opened in the frames. I just wanted to make this available to more people than those on #snapshot. Thanks shoust.

Any chance any df devs want to hang out on irc in #dragonfly?

@aleto: good to hear

Originally posted by fearphage:

The dragonfly window is attached to the opera window. I would like it to be attached to the tab so i can open dragonfly in context (ie. it knows the tab it is on already aka no drop down to select tab) and switch to other tabs that don't have dragonfly open. Is this something we can look forward to?

I don't like to see Dragonfly opened on every tab (I have ~100 opened), I need it only on test pages.

fearphage: those buttons you linked to, is it me or are they horizontally quite wide?

Originally posted by asmodai:

those buttons you linked to, is it me or are they horizontally quite wide?

They aren't wide for me. They are using normal Opera icons. If you aren't using the latest builds of opera, then they will be very wide as opera will display the text instead of the button image (is that a bug?).

I'm using 9.50 1997 but I see an 'x' icon with the text Close Dragonfly, but after the Dragonfly when I hover my mouse there is a lot of spacing, almost as much as the text 'Close Dragonfly'.

I got an empty panel, using the Tools->Advanced->Developer-Tools menu.

While loading DF i got this message:

<localhost>
Dragonfly can not be used in this way.
Either set the current url in
opera:config > Developer Tools > Developer Tools URL
or setup a debugger environment with a proxy and server.

Well, is set to...
Developer Tools URL: file://localhost/X:/test/dragonfly/client.xml

After loading DF in the main window (via file://localhost/X:...) and try to close the empty panel, Opera crashes.

Opera 9.50.10034

DoubleT: Are you using the latest snapshot?

After I detach the Dragonfly window with the latest Opera weekly build, it still looks like this :



The contents of the scripts and source windows are basically not visible due to tiny window height.

Even after I manually drag the windows to tweak the heights to proper size, after I attach the window and detach it again, it goes back to this.

Originally posted by dstorey:

DoubleT: Are you using the latest snapshot?

At last posting time, Opera 9.50.10034 and now Opera 9.50.10048, but i still have an empty panel. (WinXP SP3)

After I detach the Dragonfly window with the latest Opera weekly build, it still looks like this

At the moment you will have to resize them manually, but with next weekly that problem should be gone.

When will you fix or list a bug, when Dragonfly breaks buttons to manipulate page windows? There are few: to close window, to restore, to minimize and to maximize. Dragonfly takes control over them.

I cannot close dragonfly in the latest built!! There are no close buttons, and the menu item is disabled, so it cannot be clicked. How can i close dragonfly??

trv4gr,

http://www.favbrowser.com/how-to-turn-off-opera-dragonfly/

Something like this? If so, update url via opera:config

Originally posted by DoubleT:

I got an empty panel, using the Tools->Advanced->Developer-Tools menu.

Ok, i got it!
I have to change the last value of Developer Tools Window=1762,140,1101,821,2 in the opera6.ini from 0 to 2.