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Neo 0.5 Beta milestone

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Neo has gone from being a concept design to a theme. The design is now at beta quality, and I think it's useable for most people. But be warned, it contains a lot of bugs, which I'll be ironing out before the final release. I'll also be working on making the theme look more similar to the concept. But I'm going to drop the rainbow colored menu in favor of red. All red. Neo is my first red design ever.

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Comments

The Dark Furie 9. June 2009, 19:48

That looks freaking awesome dude. I love the background colour and tab-style menu banner segue. :yes:

DrLaunch 9. June 2009, 19:53

Thank you. :D

The Dark Furie 9. June 2009, 20:19

Seriously impressive. It's so shiny I couldn't help but post about how cool it is. Is this what iPhone owners feel like? :insane:

DrLaunch 9. June 2009, 20:26

I dunno. Apple's minimalistic design with gradients, gloss, shadow and glow and not least padding and spacing really aims for more user-friendliness.

This design aims for user-friendliness but tries to be more artistic than Apple. I think it succeeds well. But I can't really say I was inspired by Apple anyway. Thank goodness.

But this time around my graphics design is more advanced than the CSS. It didn't take much more than some clever use of CSS backgrounds to pull this one off.

Robert 9. June 2009, 21:38

Now we're talking! Looks awesome! Would be great if you could get that glossy effect from the concept picture on the header, but still it's awesomely nice and slick. :smile:

And as I said earlier, not a big fan of the font you're using, but that might be just me. :smile:

The Dark Furie 9. June 2009, 21:45

I can't actually check the fonts til next week, but does the banner still have the carved effect to the title that the alpha seemed to?

DrLaunch 10. June 2009, 08:11

I'm not sure what you mean, Furie. The alpha didn't have much except the reflection in the bottom. And roughly the same layout as the concept image.

Actually, the font is the same as Fred's using for The Darkside. I haven't touched it yet. I'll see if I need to later.

The gloss effect is there in the banner, but it's not as strong as in the menu. The banner will receive updates before I release the final version. If I'm adding a banner with the gloss in the top left, I'll do the same with the menu and other gloss effects in the theme. I don't know if I will yet, because I think the horizontal gloss looks a bit cleaner.

The Dark Furie 10. June 2009, 10:07

Oh? The title on the banner looks like it's been stamped or engraved on the alpha, at least with the image quality on Mini. I assumed it was an intentional effect.

DrLaunch 10. June 2009, 10:25

Hmm. Maybe I'll add a text effect to the banner title. But only if looks clean.

Robert 10. June 2009, 10:58

The font is Trebuchet MS. I'm more into fonts like Tahoma (looking good), Verdana (not so much, but still a good font) and Arial. Trebuchet MS is like Comic Sans MS on speed. P:

The best is though some of the Lucida fonts, but they are commercial and most Windows users don't have it. :frown:

DrLaunch 10. June 2009, 11:39

Blame Fred for being a Trebuchet MS freak. I suppose I would have gone with Tahoma or Verdana if I created the page from scratch myself.

The font is not my top priority. I really don't mind it, because it looks OK. But I suppose I can shuffle the font-family order around a bit before the final release.

The Dark Furie 10. June 2009, 12:21

Got anything with an understated authority to it? That's the feel to this theme so far in my mind.

Robert 10. June 2009, 14:50

* {
font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
}

Gogo! :wink:

DrLaunch 10. June 2009, 21:27

There. Satisfied?

Originally posted by Furie:

Got anything with an understated authority to it? That's the feel to this theme so far in my mind.



What's that supposed to mean?

The Dark Furie 11. June 2009, 11:04

Exactly what it says on the tin. The theme feels professional but not too business-like.

DrLaunch 11. June 2009, 11:17

Ah. I agree. Heavy on the design front, but it's still focusing strongly on features.

The Dark Furie 11. June 2009, 11:23

Exactly. :yes:

Robert 11. June 2009, 12:55

Very satisfied :D

ɥʇɐǝp ɟo ssǝɔuıɹd 13. June 2009, 04:59

OMG! this design is awesome!!!!! gasp!

DrLaunch 13. June 2009, 08:47

:eek: ...

:D Thank you.

ɥʇɐǝp ɟo ssǝɔuıɹd 19. June 2009, 13:32

hey!!! congratulations on being MOTW! It's about time!

DrLaunch 19. June 2009, 13:52

Thank you. I'm still kind of speechless. I guess I thought I didn't qualify to be a MOTW.

The Dark Furie 19. June 2009, 14:22

:eyes: I could've sworn you'd already been MOTW? Oh well, about time then. :yes:.

You make the community better for others to use, freely sharing your knowledge with others. Surely that's the definition of a member a community can be proud of?

DrLaunch 19. June 2009, 14:34

This is the first time. Seaempty did an interview with me a long time ago which was featured on the front page.

The Dark Furie 19. June 2009, 14:52

Ah, that's what I was thinking about.

Suntana 19. June 2009, 22:53

I'd like to order a BLT Sandwich.
OUCH! Aww Man! I cut myself.
DrLaunch, do you have any Band-Aid bandages?
I seem to have cut myself on your Blog Design.
You know ... what with it being rather Sharp :D

:cool: :headbang: I like that reflective effect there on the bottom. :up: And the Buttons / Tabs - :up:

The Dark Furie 20. June 2009, 10:33

Sandwiched between two members of the week? :left: So that's how they get chosen. :insane:

The Dark Furie 20. June 2009, 10:36

ToeToe, I'm currently raiding the code of this theme for my wandering gang of CSS wasteland bandits. Already learned some new stuff. :yes:

DrLaunch 20. June 2009, 11:02

Yay! Go spread the stuff, Furie! :D

Sandwitched? Between me and Southern Cross? :eyes:
Perhaps I never would have become MOTW if both Suntana and Southern Cross hadn't been so as well. Wide recognition is so darn hard to achieve.

Hey Suntana, no self-serving or you'll cut your self. I'll cut the tomatoes and bread myself, using my new Neo knife.
Oh and sorry about the cut. But thanks to my engineering skills I'll be able to weld it back together using my blowtorch. They didn't give me a PHD for nothing. *click* *shhhhhhhhh* Hey! Where are you running off to? Don't forget your sandwitch!

The Dark Furie 20. June 2009, 11:45

You and Sunny actually. :up: Wide recognition is something I'm trying to avoid. My last site everyone would tell you you're a genius just for managing to log in. :yuck: It's one of the reasons I don't appear on recent visitors lists or comment on MOTW frontpage posts. My first site however was so much different. You really had to do something worthwhile to get recognised. :happy:

Suntana 20. June 2009, 14:14

Isn't Trebuchet - French? Isn't French supposed to be Cool and Smooth and open all sorts of doors? :D Uh Oh! I'm in trouble. I'd have to double check, but I think I used Trebuchet Font in one of my designs. nervous

Seriously, is Trebuchet pronounced just like it's spelled or is it - Tre-byoo-SHAY?

Suntana 20. June 2009, 14:32

That's it, Furie, steal make a lowkey, camouflaged, underground acquisition of this CSS Code and then I'll beg inquire as to the availability of the deciphered, less than Master's Degree-required version. :right:

So, you're trying to avoid global recognition, huh? In that case, DrLaunch, Andrew and I will do our best to GET you selected so that you can enjoy a grimacing, squirmafying WEEK! Muhahahahah! :devil: We'll get you selected by going, "Whoa! Furie! How'd you insert that green, gagging Smiley in your Comment? Can I have the step by step procedure for that? You're a Genius!" :lol:

This "last site" of which you speak, is that outside of the Opera Community?

Suntana 20. June 2009, 14:39

Oh, don't worry, DrLaunch ... Furie HAS been spreading the stuff ... for quite a while now. :lol:

Suntana 20. June 2009, 14:50

A Neo knife? Whoa! A Keanu Reeves Matrix knife, Eh? :cool: Makes for speedier, precise BLT sandwich cutting I'll bet. p:

Cauterize my cut with a Blowtorch? But, but that is so extreme. :insane: If you don't have a Band-Aid, I'll just slap a strip of bacon on it. :yes:

DrLaunch 20. June 2009, 16:29

Bacon as a band-aid? :eyes:
My humor. You put it to shame. :cry:

The Dark Furie 20. June 2009, 18:32

Wont work Sunny. Ever notice how my friday and saturday posts are about quite controversial issues or have dodgy photos on them, and how I encourage swearing on my page, sprinkling my posts liberally with them? It keeps me safe from it. p: Plus Espen knows I don't ever want MOTW too. :yes: Yeah I've used a few of these little sites before. I prefer the smaller communities to the larger ones as people are nicer to each other in general, plus they have room to innovate.

I actually find scavenging a better way to learn than anything else. I get to pick the theme apart and see what does what then, playing with it in my own time and applying what I've learned in other ways. In this case I learned about the mainwrap element and saw how using it can directly benefit the coding of my DP-2 theme when I get to work on it next week. :yes: Have a look through the code people use Sunny and, if there's something you're not sure of, just ask about it. You'd be amazed how much you can learn simply by seeing what others have done often enough.

Suntana 20. June 2009, 20:34

Okay, just one thing ... now how exactly did you say scavenging ... Uhhh, that is to say, how is Code observing done? Where exactly is this CSS Peephole? :left: :right:

DrLaunch 20. June 2009, 20:50

In the theme source code of people like me and Southern Cross. Or in the linked stylesheets in the page source.

Suntana 20. June 2009, 21:00

Okay, I'm familiar with - View > Source Code.
Is THAT to what you're referring?
But, that's like every atom of Code in the Page, right?
I thought there was a way to view ONLY what people have in their Blog's CSS area.

The Dark Furie 20. June 2009, 21:15

I thought you knew how to do that? I use that rather than source code as it's easier to read on mobile. I wont post it here as it encourages outright stealing instead of learning in the wrong hands but I'll mail it to you. It taught me everything I know. :bandit:

DrLaunch 20. June 2009, 21:15

Yeah. That's the theme source code. Follow the URL in the import code of each theme to find CSS you might find useful your self. Or look at their user.css linked stylesheets.

Methods probably don't require you to follow a license, but images and entire code sections do.

Robert 20. June 2009, 21:16

Suntana, http://files.myopera.com/username/user.css - for instance: http://files.myopera.com/amnith/user.css ( Although you won't find much more than 1 line there P: ) :smile:

Suntana 20. June 2009, 22:16

Alright! Thanks, guys! I got it now. :headbang:

Just out of curiosity, why is this possible so easily?
In other words, why is this availability of everyone's CSS Code NOT blocked by the Opera Community? Would it affect / hinder something in the Opera Community's operation if they blocked the availability of everyone's CSS Code?

Robert 21. June 2009, 06:52

CSS cannot be hidden. If one could not read the source of the CSS, browsers wouldn't be able to read it either. It's just the way CSS works. :smile:

CSS can be written so that people have to do an effort to be able to read it. For instance:

.myclass {
padding: 0 10px;
background: #212121;
font-size: 13px;
font-weight: bold;
}

This can be written like:

.myclass{padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;padding-left:10px;padding-right:10px;background-color:#212121;font-size:13px;font-weight:bold;}

Ok, not that much harder to read, but imagine having gigantic classes, and it gets quite hard to read in length.

The Dark Furie 21. June 2009, 10:20

I much prefer to write like that. I've only got 5524 characters at a time to pull anything off in so every space and line break counts.

DrLaunch 21. June 2009, 10:39

Well. There's virtually no limit to the amount of stylesheets you can import. You could have one for the top area, one for the elements behind the blog area and one for your sidebar for instance. Although that probably requires creating several groups to host each stylesheet if you're using Opera Mini.

Suntana 21. June 2009, 14:21

I see, Amnith. In recent times, I encountered the perfect example of what you're saying regarding making it purposely more difficult for others to read the CSS. One of my OC friends used to have a 100% custom Blog Design. The person who had created it encountered health problems or something and couldn't finish my friend's design. There were things left that were bugging her. So, she asked me to fix it.

Not knowing CSS anywhere near enough to fix things, I told her I could only create her a new design from scratch ... in conjunction with an Opera theme, of course. Out of curiosity, I told her to send me her Blog's custom CSS. I copied & pasted it into an MS Word Doc. It was 13 pages of CSS Code! :yikes: And I'm NOT talking 13 pages of organized Code. It was like 1 gigantic BLOCK of tightly-packed CSS Code. I immediately thought at the time that it must have been by design to compact it / jumble it up like that for the sake of making it difficult to be deciphered by others.

The Dark Furie 21. June 2009, 15:33

What I do is to get an element right, then pack it into a .css file that I keep on my phone and in my files, importing that.

The main structure of my phone screen theme is packed in one now, with more bits getting added as I clean it up, and I'm working on putting together a few celebratory skins for the screen area for events like Christmas, New Years, Valentine's etc.

The problem lies in encoding as my lightest text editor is a beta that randomly forgets what it's meant to do and sets a new encoding that I wont find out about until the upload produces nothing workable.

The Dark Furie 21. June 2009, 15:36

13 pages? :eyes: And I thought mine needed cutting down...

Suntana 21. June 2009, 15:54

Yep, 13 pages because anything and everything that was accessible, down to the About Page, was 100% customized.

Is that typical on 100% customized designs, DrLaunch? Is that how much Code your designs have ... enough Code to fill up 13 pages on an MS Word Doc?

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