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Blue Sky: Web Browser, Standards and Interop Summit, XTech Paris

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In Paris this May 15th, XTech 2007, Molly.Com, inc and Useful Information Company have combined resources to join industry influentials and peers for the first annual Browser, Standards, and Interop Summit in parallel with the XTECH conference. The Summit will consist of an open meeting of as many browser vendors, standards advocates, W3C and related standards supporters as we can gather. We will also have workgroups and an open mike session so everyone can be heard.

The day will be open to observation for interested journalists (particularly bloggers, podcasters and videocasters) based on available space. Participants will include representatives from Opera Software, Mozilla Foundation, Microsoft Corporation and others. It's an opportunity to make voices heard in a more neutral, open discussion outside the vendor or standards groups themselves.

As all Web developers and designers are all too aware, a lot of our effort goes into skirting round the inconsistencies in web browsers. We care about giving our users the best experience possible, so we take the time. A lot of time.

We can save a lot of that time if we also tackle the root causes: unclear, problematic standards and related issues with browser interoperability. While standards can provide the palette from which the next revisions of browsers take features, interoperability work can fix things in the near term, and for the future, getting us back to the original, platform and user agent agnostic vision of the Web.

Both Useful Information Company and Molly.Com, Inc. are splitting the event room cost. Vendors and participants will be required to provide their own travel and lodging, there will be no sponsorships taken from anyone although volunteer opportunities to assist with the Summit in a number of ways, such as providing refreshments, are available.

  • When: Tuesday 15 June 2005
  • Location: Novotel Paris Tour Eiffel / XTech, Paris, France
  • Room: TBA
  • Cost: FREE
  • Time: 09:00 - 17:00, interested attendees are welcome to join at any point during the day

Hope to see you there! Please do let us know via comments if you're interested.

This post has been cross posted on Molly.com and the XTech site. I'm please to be involved in something that should be increadibly valuable for the industry and cross browser compatibility. I hope to see you all there.

Chief Lizard Wrangler Vs Iraqi Information Minister

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Iraqi information minister

It’s not a full fledged!

What does the Chief Lizard Wrangler herself, Mitchell Baker, have in common with the Iraqi Information Minister? Well, judging by her recent interview with ninemsn then her spinning of the truth comes a close second. Not so far off Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Field about full HTML browsers.

Mitchell Baker: Oh well all of them are difficult to shoehorn onto a mobile device, so we should be clear about that. Opera has done a pretty good job of getting something useful on to a mobile device, but it's not a full fledged [sic] and doesn't have the capabilities of Firefox.

I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she is talking about Opera Mini. Maybe that doesn't have all the features of Firefox, it is true, but that isn't the point. It is designed to work on almost any phone, and also compress data traffic so it is more economical to run, and faster to boot. We also have some exciting things in store for Opera Mini.

But the point is, that Mitchell conveniently overlooked, is we already have a tabbed browsing, Acid2 passing (it passed before Firefox), widget enabled web browser for mobile called Opera Mobile. This includes the full desktop rendering engine, is stacked with features, and can run in desktop mode like the Nokia and iPhone browsers. Except for extensions (which are probably not as useful as on desktop), I don't see what it lacks that Firefox provides. It is also available today. But we certainly welcome the competition in the mobile space, as we believe in the history and future of our innovation. Innovation that is unsurpassed in the browser space. Mozilla have talented people, so the competition should be fun.

Multi column layout using CSS

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We at Opera like to give props to the competition when they're doing a good job, and one example of this is the work going on around CSS3. David Hyatt Has just announced that the latest nightlies of WebKit (The rendering engine built into Mac OS X and what Safari is based on), supports CSS3 multi-column. They now join Gecko (Mozilla) in support for this standard.

Hopefully it won't be too long before web designers can start using multi column layouts in their designs, without resorting to JavaScript hacks and extra markup. I predict that once this is possible it will be misused for a while. multi column layouts work great in print, such as newspapers and magazines, as they are a page based medium. On screen, if used in correctly, one will have to scroll to the bottom of the web page to read the first column, scroll all the way to the top for the next column, and scroll down again. To work well, designers will have to keep the columns vertically short enough to fit on one screen, and then break at the last column, to start the next set of columns below the fold.

Anyway, great work guys, and lets look forward to the next part of CSS3 to be implemented. As for Opera support, well I can't mention anything, but we have some nice selector stuff coming up in internal builds. A great site for learning about CSS3 and testing support is CSS3.info run by WebKit committer Joost de Valk and Peter Gasston.

Update on addEventListener

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You may remember if you've been following my blog that a bug in the way other browsers implement addEventListener causes Opera problems in many web sites as they assume the broken behaviour. I updated that post to mention that Geoffrey Garen at Apple has reported to me that they have fixed this in WebKit. The issue has also been reported here in the Mozilla bug tracking system, and Jonas has stated that they will also fix this bug.

What does this mean for Opera? Well initially nothing, as all the broken scripts will still be broken, however once the browsers start rolling out with these fixes in place all new browsers will break on these scripts. The authors will begin to notice what we've been telling them all along and they will have to fix their scripts or not work at all in any new version of the browsers that support this method.

I'd like to thank both Apple and Mozilla for looking into this issue. The browser is quite a unique market where even though we are rivals, there is a lot of friendly co-operation between vendors and generally very little hostility. The WHATWG is a good example of this cross browser co-operation. While everyone wants to be the best browser, with the best standards support, no one will use them standards unless a majority of the other browsers also support it (unless your name is IE). Therefore you are in a strange situation where you want your rivals to improve their product so that people will actually start using the cool new feature you've just added. However strange this is, it is good for the industry and good for users as co-operation pushes the web forward and keeps it from splintering further into many single vendor solutions

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