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Banking websites have always been a big issue for alternative web browsers. They are notably difficult for a number of reasons, not least because banks are often slow moving conservative institutions (many still only officially support Internet Explorer and Netscape), and it is not possible to test the sites for issues because an account is needed at the bank in question. Banks are understandably hesitant about giving out test accounts that browser vendors can use in the QA process. Therefor a new approach is needed.

The ideal way would be to work with the Banks themselves to iron out any issues, but this isn't always possible. If a Bank is willing then we'd love to hear from them. We can't possibly open an account in every bank in the world, so I'd like to ask the help of any Opera users out there that use internet banking. If you're willing to spend a little time reporting issues you find on your bank's web site in Opera, then we'd be very grateful. Just leave a comment here, with which bank you are a member of, and a way to contact you (such as via pm on my.opera). If a bank is already represented then it doesn't matter; the more people we have testing the better and more reliable the results will be.

There will be a number of issues that you may encounter. The most obvious is when Opera is blocked entirely. In this case we can use user agent spoofing to spoof the domain that blocks us, to allow Opera access. You can test this by editing the site specific preferences for the domain that has the block, to use one of the user agents listed in the Network tab. If this works then you can send me the exact domain that needs spoofed (such as foo.bankofatlantis.com) and the value we need to spoof as. If it is a rendering issue then it will be useful to describe the issue and a saved copy of the page that reproduces the issue. If you know how to reduce the issue to just show the problem, then this would be very helpful. One very important thing to note is to never send anything with your account details, or personal information. In a screen shot blank these out using a photo editing package, or if you are sending html then use our source view to remove the information and replace it with random characters, then click the save button. Opera employees would never ask you for your log-in details, so never under any circumstances send anyone this information, no matter who it is.

With any issue that gets reported we will work to fix if it is an Opera bug, and if it is a web site bug, we'll try to contact the bank to get it fixed. We may contact you from time to time to confirm if a previously reported issue still exists.

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Andrey Petrov 6. December 2006, 16:43

A'm still a customer of Bank of America (BofA)
Works only with masking. :frown:

Lars Andersson 6. December 2006, 17:44

I've actually been thinking about contacting my bank about their browser support soon, so this post is quite timely.

Swedbank (formerly known as FöreningsSparbanken, name changed a few months ago) recently started displaying a warning page for Opera users when you try to go to the login page, saying it isn't on their list or recommended browsers. There's a button to continue to the login page anyway, so you don't need to do any masking to use it.

Opera works fine after continuing from the warning page, without any UA changing or workarounds, so the warning is just a minor annoyance.

Opera used to be on their browser list in the past, but now it has apparently been removed. This is what worries me, since it's a step backwards in their browser support, and they won't provide any technical support for browsers that aren't on the list if things get screwed up in the future.

Alexey Feldgendler 7. December 2006, 06:00

I do this for WebMoney electronic cash system and for my cell phone network customer self-service web UI. Unfortunately, my bank insists on IE because of ActiveX.

David Storey 7. December 2006, 09:14

Feldgender: Which bank is it? Active-x is off by default in IE7, so using it is becoming much more inconvenient for their customers.

Andrew Gregory 7. December 2006, 15:00

I'm with the National Australia Bank which works just fine, apart from the minor annoyance of a warning page telling me my browser is unsupported, would I like to "upgrade" to IE or Firefox? (Continue...) :rolleyes:

The warning appears before the login page and has a "don't show this again" checkbox, my ticking of which gets forgotten on a regular basis. :frown:

hinky pinky 7. December 2006, 23:17

The Co-operative Bank in the UK works, although I'm not sure it always has. The Captial-One credit card site refuses to load even under 'mask as IE' because I need to 'upgrade my browser to a safer one' haha.

Alexey Feldgendler 8. December 2006, 07:09

dstorey: Impexbank, Novosibirsk, Russia. I've recently switched to another bank anyway; haven't yet tried their online banking.

Mal 12. December 2006, 04:54

In case it helps, the online banking systems for Lloyds TSB, Barclays and Smile, all appear to work with Opera on Windows XP.

Whilst on Ubuntu the Lloyds TSB and Smile systems work, but strangely Barclays seems to have completely blocked access to Opera on this platform - you can't even access their normal site.

Firefox on Ubuntu is not blocked, so it's unlikely that they are simply blocking the platform. Opera can access the system as normal through user-agent spoofing, and I don't see any bugs within the system once I gain access.

David Storey 13. December 2006, 11:59

Malcam: That is great news, thanks for the help. I'll have to check out Barclays on Linux. I can't login as I don't have an account, but on http://www.barclays.co.uk/ the normal site works on Opera Mac.

An encouraging sign is on http://www.barclays.co.uk/accessibility/ where they talk about working to meet WAI and RNIB recommendations on accessibility. It is great that banks are taking notice of these issues and acting upon them. They also have a XHTML badge on the site, and although on a quick check it didn't validate, it is a step in the right direction that they are looking to do so.

Mal 13. December 2006, 19:36

Yeah, the banks in this country are fairly decent in that respect. Would like to think that it's the result of public image and ethics, but I suspect they do it out of fear of the RNIB carrying out a test case. It will be a similar situation in the States eventually because they have equally vague disability laws.

Lloyds TSB used to make a big thing about the accessibility of their websites, but only last week they were one of the 97% that a UN commissioned report named for a lack of meeting basic requirements. I guess that demonstrates it's a continuous effort and not just something you can fix, promote and forget about.

Hallvord R. M. Steen 14. December 2006, 18:23

I've used Barclays online banking for years and it has worked absolutely fine with Opera for as long as I can remember. That means from Opera 4 or 5 onwards!

Anonymous 9. July 2007, 23:54

çeviri writes:

The warning appears before the login page and has a "don't show this again" checkbox, my ticking of which gets forgotten on a regular basis.

Anonymous 29. August 2007, 09:05

Idler writes:

a payment website today had the cheek of "advising" me to "upgrade" to "at least" Internet Explorer 5!!
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